The Rumour Commode XLI: Ragnarok

[Milan10]

So promoting Pioli is then... foolish, no?

He’s not being promoted, he is being given a seat at the table for transfer discussions, which I don’t think is foolish.

A manager should have a say in the players his job will depend on.

 

[Wild]

They are trying to calm down the situation,there were calls and questions from the players

Resurrection.
Or something like "summer of Moncada"

 

[patosheva]

How much for Amrabat?

Hahahaha

Not aproved by moncada video

 

[MarioReality]

does it honestly make you feel better to believe that grown men, making millions, care so deeply about a director that they want to leave a club over his dismissal?

 

[patosheva]

Meeting between roma and sas today about fratessi deal close to be complited

 

[Pippo]

Who is preparing the powerpoint presentation for amrabat?

 

[Raghav]

Imagine moncada pulling off the best transfer window for a long time and Pioli sticking to long ball tactics. Geez

 

[patosheva]

So they fired eveyone and now silence silence total silence

 

[patosheva]

Imagine moncada pulling off the best transfer window for a long time and Pioli sticking to long ball tactics. Geez

Imagine fucking nicole swarzinger

 

[MarioReality]

So they fired eveyone and now silence silence total silence

Furlani gave a very detailed interview just last night.

 

[Raghav]

West Ham stealing it

 

[SuperPippo]

Fiorentina always bottlers. Useless.

 

[AndreiX]

We could use a Cam like this parquete guy

 

[SuperPippo]

Dreadful goalkeeping too.

 

[Stitches]

Lupaq.assist. lets make 3 out of three finals losses for Serie A in eurofinals.

 

[AndreiX]

I cant believe we failed to sell so many players while juve managed to get paid for a bum like mandragora

 

[patosheva]

Furlani gave a very detailed interview just last night.

I just told my friend how i fucked nicole snd rhiana same night

 

[Samaldinho]

He’s not being promoted, he is being given a seat at the table for transfer discussions, which I don’t think is foolish.

A manager should have a say in the players his job will depend on.

For someone who should have been fired for his performance, you put more decision making in his hands? Why?

As they have become more sophisticated, I think there's a reason why EPL teams have moved away from a model where the coach has a direct say in transfers.

I hope it works.

 

[Panache]

RedBird doesn’t even have a building. Just renting

True. I heard the landlord is Elliot. Crazy

 

[patosheva]

For someone who should have been fired for his performance, you put more decision making in his hands? Why?

As they have become more sophisticated, I think there's a reason why EPL teams have moved away from a model where the coach has a direct say in transfers.

I hope it works.

So next time he losess 5 0 againt sasu

 

[Panache]

Inter Miami is dead last in the mighty MLS

 

[MarioReality]

For someone who should have been fired for his performance, you put more decision making in his hands? Why?

As they have become more sophisticated, I think there's a reason why EPL teams have moved away from a model where the coach has a direct say in transfers.

I hope it works.

Ten hag signed the players he wanted and knew. Klopp picks his guys, as does pep.

Is this really common in the epl? I thought coaches in epl had WAY more power than serie a coaches

 

[papaberlu]

Gotta feel for Fiorentina

Lost two finals in which they were the superior side

 

[Bird]

Calcio is back...

 

[jawz10]

Yoooo shout out to business genius @Casualista
https://sempremilan.com/gds-milan-brand-growing-faster-any-other-europe

 

[Balo45]

Okay, ow. Unnecessary.


The thing that I don't like is that... You're talking to me as if I was a Pioli hater from the start. I was a huge believer in Pioli before. I praised him to high heavens for what he did here, to the point of ridicule here.

Fine, let's say that all the players are bad. CDK is bad. Vranckx is bad. Adli. All of them (except Thiaw) are bad. Great. Let's assume that, now, two questions:

(1) does one bad transfer market justifies Pioli having this bad a season? And (2) Does it justify him being out-performed by Lazio, who had far less resources than he did?

There are countless metrics that Pioli has failed at, from before, in particular his athletic training staff, where Milan was consistently the most injured side, which harms his ability to even use players, but again, my view is: if you had to fire one of them, then I think Pioli should have been the guy, because I don't think he was dealt enough of a transfer blow to justify his Serie A performances.

But let's go back to this: if Thiaw was the only good player, why did it take until 2023 to play him? If Pioli was so burdened by bad players, why did it take an injury crisis for him to finally play Thiaw? CDK didn't seem to need an integration period, he was played from the start.

I'm not "clamoring" over players, I'm not a CDK defender, lol. But CDK was a Moncada pick, and Moncada is the one who is now in charge. Adli, probably a Moncada pick. So... I just don't get how you can excuse so many systematic failures of Pioli's reign and boil down Maldini's evaluation one transfer market, when Pioli gets an entire season to succeed or fail. And he finished being Lazio.

Every SD who has ever lived has had a stinker for a transfer market. And maybe Pioli just had a bad year this year? Okay, fine. But if you're going to say "give Pioli the benefit of the doubt" then... why doesn't that extend to Maldini? All the superlatives you use on Pioli could equally be used for Maldini, as would the "benefit of the doubt earned" quotient that you give Pioli.

The metric we are judging is not whether we sustained a title charge, because we didn't. As you pointed out, we did stay close to Napoli, and then faded. Why? Injuries played a big part, right? Again, Pioli finished behind Lazio. A team with less resources, less quality, and worse players. How is that the fault of Maldini that Pioli doesn't know how to beat relegation teams?

Two things. One you know I was pro Maldini staying. I am essentially judging he and Pioli the same. I never said Pioli didn’t make any mistakes this season along the way, I think this was a learning curve for the entire staff(top to bottom) on how to manage a team with raised expectations. So I’m not anti Maldini pro Pioli. I wanted both to stay and I think they together would have steadied the ship.

A couple things regarding the specific stuff from the season. One I don’t the season is quite as bad as you’re painting it. If last summer you were told Milan would make the CL semifinals and confirm a third consecutive top 4 finish, most of us would have said that’s more than fine. At the very least you would have been ok with that, nothing to cry over. Of course there were some very bad spots along the way, I’m not denying that. And the team got worse, which is something for concern and something Pioli needs to be talked to about from those above him. But I do think the team showed they still know how to beat the other big teams in the league, they still looked title challengers for half the season, they showed growth in Europe, and once again they showed some ability to win at the end of the season when their backs were against the wall. I have seen many, many teams fall from grace more than our current season just was. And that’s objective.

And I’ll add that if we had been eliminated in the group stages, I think this team comfortably finishes 2nd in the league. And to be clear, that’s not an excuse. This team won a title and we both know going as far as possible in every tournament is the goal from here on out. I just do think it highlights squad depth. A LOT of dropped points to worse teams were when Pioli rotated the team.

I guess I’ll just add my point is it’s not Maldini vs Pioli to me. Like I said, I was fine with both staying. I think they all deserved a summer to see if they can “correct” things.

 

[Samaldinho]

Ten hag signed the players he wanted and knew. Klopp picks his guys, as does pep.

Is this really common in the epl? I thought coaches in epl had WAY more power than serie a coaches

All the nerdy behind-the-scenes reporting on EPL teams talk about how managers in the EPL are having less and less influence over transfers. They're moving away from that model and more towards the Italian "SD and manager" relationship. It seems that manager have to earn the right to be that involved. Tuchel, for example, was upset and annoyed that he was that involved during his time with Todd.

Those three seem to be increasingly the exception, from what I understand. Again, I may be mistaken, I'm just repeating what I've heard journalists say.

 

[jawz10]

I think the people here pushing for this narrative are being extremely harsh. It’s just about power and decision making. They couldn’t and wouldn’t fire Maldini when they bought the club directly after a scudetto run, there would have been riots. He used that leverage to get what he wanted, more power and decision making. Not having to go through a gazidis type.


And while I’m of the opinion that last summer wasn’t good and it’s more on management for team regression rather than Pioli, I don’t like the guys here saying like “oh of course Maldini got fired for last summer.” This issue with this thinking is that every club/director has bad windows, especially when you operate the way we do. Not every young player will hit it off here. So while Maldini Massara contributed to the team being worse off this season, they still reached their minimum objective and I fully was confident they’re get things back on track in 2023 summer.

So that’s the issue I have with the he failed get fired crew here. It’s not “cutthroat” to fire someone on the basis of a few mistakes when the whole of their body of work was very impressive. It’s reactive, impatient and stupid. The reality is Gerry didn’t want Maldini to have that much power. Still I’m not in full panic mode like some because I think Moncada getting more say isn’t a bad thing. And I think Pioli being consulted more makes sense. I think they highly highly value Moncada and it seems like Maldini may have said no to him on some things.

Exactly. RedBird used a subpar season to justify getting their own guys in and/or the old guard out. They would have waited as long as it took, but they pounced on the decisions made on the market and the 4th* place finish.

Maldini+Massara was doing fine, and who knows where the team would have gone had they had their mercato this summer.

In any event, I’m anxious to see how RedBird’s first official window looks and the results that play out. Anything less than CL qualification and CL quarterfinals run should be responded to by Milanisti with riots at Casa Milan.

 

[Panache]

I can't wait to see what incredible RW talent Moncada brings in. I refuse to believe that Maldini would have gotten either of those players.

Maldini's parting gift to me was Kamada.

What if that’s Moncada’s doing? We’re all making assumptions. As much as we think we know, we don’t know nothing lol

 

[rossonero23]

Declan Rice is ass juice