The Rumour Commode XLII: An Homage to Bunga

Serie A: upcoming 23/24 season is going to be better than previous 22/23 season


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Well, if Milan didn't buy Samardzic, it's because Furlani and Moncada don't rate him, obviously.

But I asked for him god damnit!!!

Dafuq are they doing???!!!!

I'm certainly not jealous of inter, but Samardzic has some skills... Ah well... It is what it is.
 
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Rube will be playing one comp so they will be tough.

Nazio will bomb out as usual im ucl and focus only on series
Atalanta shouldn't make top 4 next s3ason

Inter is very strong.
We are almost complete.

Will be a tough year as we have to play in multiple comps. Outside a QF finish in ucl and top 2 in serie a pioli should get sacked.
Agree with everything but the end.

We are gonna need months to gel, will probably lose some points during that period, having 4-5 new starters, I expect us to be in top 4, probably battling till the end...

Juve only focusing on serie a, roma getting better, strong napoli losing only kim, and inter having a decent mercato...with us all be running for those 4 cl spots

But what a great times to come, we are setting foundation for years to come, Pioli shouldn't be judged hardly with so many new players and aparently new sistem.
 

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I’m pretty sure the tactics coach does that, not this guy. Pioli needs a right hand man who knows tactics just like Klopp had that one dude, can’t remember his name
I believe this guy has more influence than that. Forget the title “technical coach”.
He’s the one Pioli exchanges with the most during games, and it’s clearly about tactics. That’s the only shit there is to discuss during games.
Assistant seems content with being a dopplega
He’s apparently keeping track of “stats” to advise.
Assistant seems content being a doppelgänger. J/k…But Assistants seem to be just the coaches’ best buddy.
 

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Here you can read is very different from Eliott Li problem



Yeah, it seems that even if Oaktree take over Inter they would be taking over a club with a lot of other debt owed to other financial institutions.

Li when he bought the club, paid off a lot of the 250 mil that was on the club's books under Berlusconi. So when Elliott got control, the club had very little debt, just mostly transfer debt ( the remaining payments for players like Kessie ).

While Li fucked up with Mirabelli and Fassone, in some ways he helped the club. Elliott weren't interested in the 750 mil price ( 500 cash plus 250 mil debt ) that Berlusconi was selling it for. LI took that loss on himself, that let Elliott get the club for just around 300 mil! And then since Elliott got the club for such a low price they could invest another 400 mil in the club to fix it up and sell it for a big profit.
 

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So ranking our signing imo :
1. Chuk
2. Okafor
3. Tijjan
4. Musah
5. Pulisic
6. LC
And the cool thing with this list is that when we rank their performance in May the list may be turned upside down. Or intermixed. I don't dislike any of the signings.
 

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Inter is broke and sold Onana and Brazovic, lost Kalulu and Dzeko, didn't re-sign Handanovic, D'Ambrosio, Gagliardini, and Bellanova. So far they got Thuram, Frattesi, Cuadrado, Samardzic, CB Bisseck, and soon Sommer in goal. Not saying their mercato is better than ours, but more Serie A proven. I think they've actually improved and their midfield of Barella, Frattesi, Hakan, Mkytikarian, (sp), Samardzic, Asslani, and Sensi is the best in Serie A. I hate to say it because I loathe Inter but I try to be objective when rating teams, at least in my opinion.
PS: Samardzic is the guy I wanted the most before mercato season began so not happy with him going to Merda.
They lost 5 first team players and didn't replace them all yet. How did they "improve"?

Onana > Sommer (Completely different than Onana. Not comfortable with the ball at his feet so Inzaghi's playing from the back tactics might not work with him in goal).
Brozovic > Frattesi
Lukaku > Thuram (Not Serie A proven)
Skriniar> Bisseck (Not Serie A proven)

I'm not sure what you mean by they "improved". So far they haven't.
 
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And the cool thing with this list is that when we rank their performance in May the list may be turned upside down. Or intermixed. I don't dislike any of the signings.
While I have reservations and doubts about some, and am more hopeful about others, I want them all to succeed and will give them all a chance.

Musah and Okafor are 2 guys I've liked for a while, so I hope I'm right about them.

Pulisic if we can get 30+ games out of him I think that's a win in itself? The guy has done tools for sure though.

The rest I don't know much about so who knows.
 

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I wasn’t ever that high on Samardzic but he’s definitely talented. We’ll see how he does, people somehow claim Pioli isn’t good with young players but Simone is objectively horrible with that.

They for sure have a deep midfield but I also wonder where Samar fits in their current setup, I feel he should be higher. Could be like missing out on Asllani who Maldini seemed to want but went and just hardly played for inter. Midfield depth can take you far but their backline would worry me. Just like in American sports, inter got hot at the end of the season and made a run that made a lot of people forget they were very up and down last season. They lost a lot of games and had some really bad periods too.

Only the season will show.
 

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And the cool thing with this list is that when we rank their performance in May the list may be turned upside down. Or intermixed. I don't dislike any of the signings.
…and we may no longer be as excited with quite a few of them…;)
The acquisition seems to always be the most exciting part.
 

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I guess the chance for Inter is that maybe they can sell the club for around 1.2 billion ( around 200-300 mil cash payment to Zhang and around 800-900 mil Inter debt taken by the new owner ). That way Zhang ends up with around 200-300 mi cash, and the new buyer takes on all the debt.

1.2 billion total price ( cash plus debt) is not so bad considering they just reached CL final and club prices going up in general. I can see some Arab group maybe doing such a deal with Zhang. Milan is of course the much better club, but RB would want at least 1.8-2 billion to sell it.
 

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1. Chuk
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5. RLC
6. Musah

What a pointless exercise :lol: I wanted everyone to be in the top 3.
 

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They lost 5 starters and didn't replace them all yet. How did they "improve"?

Onana > Sommer (Completely different than Onana. Not comfortable with the ball at his feet so Inzaghi's playing from the back tactics might not work with him in goal).
Brozovic > Frattesi
Lukaku > Thuram (Not Serie A proven)
Skriniar> Bisseck (Not Serie A proven)

I'm not sure what you mean by they "improved". So far they haven't.

Lukaku, Brozovic were subs last year, Skriniar was injured. So they lost 2 starters in Dzeko and Onana.
 

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Per 90 stats over whole career, so not super exact but I think relevant enough:

Progressive carries per 90min

Samardzic 1,71
vs
RLC 3.75
Musah 3.20
Reijnders 2.66

Not saying that that makes him a bad player but it is obviously a core metric for us.
 

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Per 90 stats over whole career, so not super exact but I think relevant enough:

Progressive carries per 90min

Smardzic 1,71
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RLC 3.75
Musah 3.20
Reijnders 2.66

Not saying that that makes him a bad player but it is obviously a core metric for us.

Crazy Pioli likes players who run with the ball! Samardzic overall is a really good player...
 

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and Maldini is scout.
Maldini was the BOSS. Scouts makes suggestions. Director has the final say.

Also, read the comment I was replying to. It mentioned Furlani too. Is Furlani a scout? :lol:
 

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…and we may no longer be as excited with quite a few of them…;)
The acquisition seems to always be the most exciting part.
Depends on the performance, naturally.
 

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That 16 paragraph post justifying the decision to blow our transfer budget on CDK. I only made it through 3 paragraphs but my god the hoops you salty ‘Dini boys will jump through.

I think my favorite thing from the people weeping over Maldini (he’s fine, he’s back to traveling and partying) recently is “HE GOT US A SCUDETTO AND CL SF ON A LIMITED BUDGET!”

And at the same time:

This stupid bald fuck fell into a Scudetto and a CL SF! He can’t even teach basic passing and attacking patterns!!!

Can you guys see the… contradiction?

Maldini and Pioli BOTH did a wonderful job OVERALL working with extremely limited resources. Ultimately, when there was a change in ownership, though, one of them was willing to work under the parameters set by the new owners and the other wasn’t.

But you can’t have it both ways, man. Pioli turned Milan around relying on players like 40 year old Ibra and 36+ Giroud… Having to start guys like Sael and Messias, he turned guys like Tomori and Kalulu into the best CB partnership in Italy during the Scudetto season, he reached a CL SF after demolishing one of the 3 best teams in Europe last season… and he started Brahim Diaz and Sael in those matches. He had literally no defensive midfielder for his preferred 4231…

We didn’t replace KESSIE for fuck’s sake.

We never replaced Hakan… Did you guys see Adli against Juventus a couple of nights ago? He was TERRIBLE and I love the skinny French goon more than even Sam. Did you guys see CDK?!? Of course not, because he was hiding on the pitch avoiding the ball and getting schooled by Juventus teenagers that look like stereotypical caricatures of Italians.

And where does Juventus always get these Italian Minecraft looking goons anyway?

I’m rambling
 

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CAM was a major key position that absolutely needed to be addressed. It was as much of a high priority as RW/CF/CM. One could even argue that CAM was the most important position that had to be fixed. See the 1st part of the post. It was further prioritized when an opportunity (De Ketelaere) emerged favorably to us that we couldn't pass up on. Favorable circumstances lined up for us to prioritize CAM above all else. Not so much out of choice, but a combined consequence of budget limitations and transfer opportunities that emerged last season. See the 2nd part of the post, which will also be about why we went so strongly after De Ketelaere.

1) Why was CAM a high priority position that needed to be addressed?

(i) CAM is a position that we haven't quite fixed since Hakan left. Even then, when he was here, we needed an upgrade. As fantastic as he was in that role, an upgrade could've done more. In any case, it's a position that had to be addressed, even when he was here and more so after he left.

(ii) If we hadn't bought De Ketelaere, we'd have started last season with 2 CAM options (Diaz/Adli) that weren't reliable guarantees. Diaz had yet another underwhelming season as CAM. A few good games but mostly struggled with consistency. Adli was a relatively unknown quantity for CAM who arrived from a relegated Ligue 1 side that finished last. He too had an inconsistent season - a mix of up & down displays at Bordeaux. It simply wouldn't be ideal, and could've been disastrous, to start last season with only Diaz & Adli as our CAM options. Both were clearly young project players that needed time/patience to grow/develop. Krunic was also a possible CAM option. He performed adequately whenever called upon but was really more of an emergency fill-in option. Not exactly in serious CAM consideration, let alone an option for the long-term.

(iii) From a tactical standpoint, it could be argued that CAM needed to be addressed the most out of all positions. Far too crucial in Pioli's 4-2-3-1 setup, as it is the dynamic focal point of his tactical approach and the team's effective gameplay. Vital role in team-play movement, from a playmaking perspective to an organizational standpoint. Not only that, the ideal CAM would elevate Pioli's system and unlock the next level of Pioli-ball, enabling a more team-oriented approach, especially in the offensive phase, with good combination plays/exchanges between players. The kind of team-oriented football that could ultimately get us back to the summit of European football where we belong. This is in contrast to the over-reliance on "iso-ball" that we seemed to have a habit of playing when Leao is on. We can't always rely on one player, or moments of individual brilliance, to bail us out every time.

(iv) In terms of personnel, CAM & RW needed the most attention out of all positions. At least CF & CM had good starters like Giroud/Bennacer/Tonali. RW & CAM lacked starting quality. Sure, it's not ideal to neglect any position. In a perfect world we'd have a big enough budget to fix all positions at once. Many of our desired recruitments can only be acquired gradually over the course of a few transfer windows. We have to pick our battles, as it were, every transfer window. Often it's also a matter of opportunities. Maybe the opportunities just weren't there last season for a quality RW/CF that fits our project. In comparison, this current transfer season has two amazing young RW prospects on their last contract year (Chukwueze & Williams) and a highly promising young CF (Nico Jackson) with a 35m release clause. We were in fact linked with Chukwueze early last year, but nothing happened. Could it be that we were just waiting for the right moment (last contract year) to make a serious push at him? We have to play the waiting game and patiently bide our time for opportunities when funds are tight.

2) Why De Ketelaere? Why was he a transfer opportunity that furthered our priority of CAM?

(i) He was a player we had targeted for a long time. One of the most highly rated young promising talents in all of Europe. Earmarked by many across Europe, but especially by our management/scouts as a young player with immense potential. If not for the present, then certainly for the future and the long term. He was viewed as possibly the biggest and most gifted creative talent to come out of Belgium since De Bruyne. A strong candidate to succeed De Bruyne as Belgium's next great creative player. He fits perfectly into our recruitment profile of young players with the potential to become top quality, like Rafa/Tonali/Kalulu/Theo. A good addition to our long-term project of building a team around a growing core of young players that would be the foundational backbone for many years to come.

(ii) He was identified as having the potential to be the ideal CAM in Pioli's system. His greatest asset is his passing/vision. A passer, first and foremost, with a "pass-first" mindset in his overall approach to football. Gifted with an excellent passing repertoire/range; capable of impressive passes from all over. Deep in midfield: delivering long lobs with pin-point accuracy, or defence splitting long through-balls that'd make any progressive playmaking regista proud. Farther up top, he's excellent in one-touch give-and-go combos around the box & final 3rd - flicks, tricks, backheels, no-looks, to simple/direct, efficiently weighted and executed quick short passes in tight spaces, delivered with finesse/precision. Above all, his finest gift as a passer is from around the trequarti area, between midfield and frontline. Operating as a trequartista will get the best out of him. It's the role that can fully utilize and maximize his talents. It's where he can be at his most dangerous/inventive, giving him the best chance to excel as a player and a match-winner. Even when he was mostly used as a CF (false 9) in his last season at Brugge, his natural tendencies seemed trequartista-esque. From dropping deep to midfield, to having a very pass-first mentality. Always looking to pass/assist/create goal-scoring chances.

He also has the attributes to potentially be a combination of all the various CAM approaches by different players that have assumed the role under Pioli. Hakan approached the CAM more or less like a midfielder - usually operating deeper in midfield than at the upper trequarti end. Diaz tended to play the role like a second forward - higher in the trequarti, closer to the striker, and around/in the box to be a goal threat. Krunic played that role with physicality and a pressing workrate, along with a direct/simple style of passing. De Ketelaere has the potential/talent to do all that and more.

(iii) Although he was principally bought for the CAM position, his versatility in other positions like CF/RW was definitely also taken into consideration. These two positions needed fixing too. His versatility in CF/RW is an added bonus that could've been handy during the season. By no means is he the ideal solution for those positions. He doesn't have the kind of natural goal-scoring instincts of an ideal 9, nor does he have the explosiveness and dribbling ability of an ideal RW for our system. While not ideal, he can still add much needed depth, or be a rotational piece in those positions. Having him as the 3rd/4th choice CF isn't a bad idea. He could even be a temporary solution to those positions, before we make a serious push at more ideal long-term solutions in the future, like Hojlund/Chukwueze.

(iv) He has plenty of Champions League experience and we needed a good injection of that into our young inexperienced CL squad. Maldini even specifically said that one of the main reasons for getting him was his CL experience. Despite being only 21/22, he was/is our most CL experienced player among all our players under 30 years old (except Origi). Last season was his 4th season of CL. In his final 2 seasons at Brugge, he started 11 of 12 CL matches. He was quite possibly their best player in many of the games, performing well against the likes of PSG, Man City, Leipzig, Dortmund.

(v) Biggest reason of all was that he was available and attainable. We had scouted/followed/targeted him for a long time, and he was finally available last season. Not only was he available, he strongly wanted to come to us. He had no interest in any club but us. This was an opportunity that we weren't going to miss out on. It's not always that we find ourselves in a position where a top talent only wanted us. He was also pushing hard to come to us; made every effort for the transfer to happen, including reducing wages to better facilitate the move. The stars had aligned. It was a golden opportunity that we simply couldn't pass up on. Once that happened, the decision to prioritize CAM was pretty much made for us. Buying him meant potentially resolving our CAM position once and for all. A long-term solution for a high priority position, considering his age/potential. Could we have gone for an RW instead? If a similar opportunity had emerged, then maybe, but nothing of note came up. Maybe there just weren't great RW opportunities last season, unlike the current transfer window with incredible RW prospects on their last contract year, like Chukwueze & Williams. Maybe we decided to hold off on our RW pursuit until this transfer window when the conditions are far more favorable for a top quality starting RW. Our modest transfer budget often meant that we couldn't buy whoever we want at any time, but have to be patient with the ever changing landscape of the transfer market, waiting for favorable opportunities to emerge.
Whew! Sam would be proud! 😅
 

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Maldini was the BOSS. Scouts makes suggestions. Director has the final say.

Also, read the comment I was replying to. It mentioned Furlani too. Is Furlani a scout? :lol:
Are you sure?
 

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That 16 paragraph post justifying the decision to blow our transfer budget on CDK. I only made it through 3 paragraphs but my god the hoops you salty ‘Dini boys will jump through.

I think my favorite thing from the people weeping over Maldini (he’s fine, he’s back to traveling and partying) recently is “HE GOT US A SCUDETTO AND CL SF ON A LIMITED BUDGET!”

And at the same time:

This stupid bald fuck fell into a Scudetto and a CL SF! He can’t even teach basic passing and attacking patterns!!!

Can you guys see the… contradiction?

Maldini and Pioli BOTH did a wonderful job OVERALL working with extremely limited resources. Ultimately, when there was a change in ownership, though, one of them was willing to work under the parameters set by the new owners and the other wasn’t.

But you can’t have it both ways, man. Pioli turned Milan around relying on players like 40 year old Ibra and 36+ Giroud… Having to start guys like Sael and Messias, he turned guys like Tomori and Kalulu into the best CB partnership in Italy during the Scudetto season, he reached a CL SF after demolishing one of the 3 best teams in Europe last season… and he started Brahim Diaz and Sael in those matches. He had literally no defensive midfielder for his preferred 4231…

We didn’t replace KESSIE for fuck’s sake.

We never replaced Hakan… Did you guys see Adli against Juventus a couple of nights ago? He was TERRIBLE and I love the skinny French goon more than even Sam. Did you guys see CDK?!? Of course not, because he was hiding on the pitch avoiding the ball and getting schooled by Juventus teenagers that look like stereotypical caricatures of Italians.

And where does Juventus always get these Italian Minecraft looking goons anyway?

I’m rambling
Pioli did an extremely poor job last year. I don't understand how you have the zeal to castigate Maldini and champion corporate efficiency, when last year Pioli's worst performances were against bottom half sides, where the argument over the quality of his squad shouldn't be at issue--because he dropped points and lost to... relegation teams.

Pioli has genuine questions over his vision and managerial credentials, I don't understand why you are so adamant in waving those away.
 
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