The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

[Cloren]

I don't know why anyone would want Conte when our best player is a LW.

I don’t want Conte at all but tbf he’s played with wingers in Spurs and used 3-4-3.

 

[brk]

I largely agree with you on this.

I just have one reservation about what we are currently going through: my fear is that these periods of shit results, they're becoming more frequent, and are over longer periods of time. The injuries? They aren't going away, they're getting worse.

My fear is that some of our core players, like Theo, Mike, Leao, get frustrated and leave. I know that the players we thought would stay forever will not be here, like Tonali, but I worry about the sort of damage that we are doing to the morale of our squad.

I think we have a squad that can be a dark horse for the CL, now. Not favorites (top 3-4 teams), but we have an impressive squad.

We're not seeing our first team get blown away by European giants, we play so many big games with countless injuries, and in the few times we are healthy, against Inter, the tactical setup and shape is so bad that we are squandering this team.

Pioli has become a limiting factor on this squad, and I worry it could be damaging to this squad. I really want to win with this group, watching them grow has been wonderful and I'd like to see them win together.

Again you’re talking about tactical/micro issues. Those we all agree are messed up. We need a new coach, that’s clear for all to see, especially the management. It’s just not the right time at this moment, any change will be for the worse.

Zoom out a bit and look at the bigger picture. Is our squad constantly getting better? I think this squad is much better than last season. Is our financial position better? We made a profit without player sales and finally sold a player for a huge profit. Are we making progress with the stadium? Yes and this time next year we will be probably starting construction, that’s is almost a fact by now.

In a few years the core will be in their prime. My hope is that RDZ can fix those tactical/micro issues and make the squad finally be greater than the sum of its parts.

I have the patience to wait for that, same as RedBird. By the summer he will have had two years in the PL with Brighton, and hopefully we will remain his best option and he never overachieved enough to be enticing for the top top clubs like Real or City to go for him. Every bad Brighton result this season makes me very happy.

I’m also not saying this season is a lost cause. Beating Dortmund means the CL is still in play. A few good wins in a row means we stay within range of Inter, and yes 8 points is still within range at this point. Anything can happen. But I’m not the one that’s irrational here. Anyone that looks at the big picture and is still pessimistic, that to me is irrational. No one should be pessimistic over the long term. We are guaranteed success, and I’ve said it before and I was right.

 

[brk]

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Haven’t I always said 2026?

 

[brk]

I'm with you on this one

I used to have these arguments with Brk in the past and settled on his 4-5 year window for being able to seriously challenge the best clubs
- His current uplifting speech seems to stretch that out a bit.

Personally I never thought it was possible on his timeline. I saw us losing players before that magical point when everything would align.
I always wanted more investment now even though I know that too isnt that realistic with the current owners.

Fine, but didn’t we see a big investment this summer? All the signs point to bigger investment next summer, with it finally being time for a CF. Let’s wait and see.

 

[IcyDiavolo]

It's also the reason why Zamparini used to sack and then return the same coach during the same season (I think it was Ballardini and others aswell).

Zamparini was also one of the most impulsive nutcase owners we've ever seen

But like @brk, also first time hearing about this rule.

 

[Kmoney]

Isma we’ve given you like 8 months now hurry the fuck up and get back

I cannot stand watching technically incompetent fools like Krunic and Pobega anymore

 

[Cloren]

So in Lecce after the match the players went to the Curva sud. But Curva told them to go away and asked for Pioli, who stayed in the middle of the pitch and did not come to meet the Curva.

No Maldini and Ibra. He wanted to be the boss so here you go. Presumptuous prick.

Pioli does not owe any explanation to those deranged druggies and lunatic criminals. These guys stab people over a football match.

They don’t have right to demand shit. Fuck them.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Pioli does not owe any explanation to those deranged druggies and lunatic criminals. These guys stab people over a football match.

They don’t have right to demand shit. Fuck them.

Yea exactly. I am all for the pioliout brigade and I fully endorse that but I don't want his safety to ve compromised.

Those lunatics are unstable.

 

[OVUNQUE CON TE]

De Zerbi is the most obvious manager change for us, surely he's perfect for what we're trying to build?

 

[Cloren]

Yea exactly. I am all for the pioliout brigade and I fully endorse that but I don't want his safety to ve compromised.

Those lunatics are unstable.

In an ideal world, clubs would eradicate these criminals like how Papa Perez did in 2013 but oh wells.

But again, this is why I have so much respect for Madrid. Proper club.

Florentino Pérez’s Most Underrated Legacy: Banning The Ultras Sur

How Florentino Pérez created Grada Fans RMCF.

www.managingmadrid.com

 

[brk]

Haven’t I always said 2026?

 

[brk]

In an ideal world, clubs would eradicate these criminals like how Papa Perez did in 2013 but oh wells.

But again, this is why I have so much respect for Madrid. Proper club.

Florentino Pérez’s Most Underrated Legacy: Banning The Ultras Sur

How Florentino Pérez created Grada Fans RMCF.

www.managingmadrid.com

The curva sud is a huge reason why home games at San Siro have an incredible atmosphere. There has been talk that we're designing the new stadium to maximize their impact, similar to how Dortmund does theirs.

 

[Kmoney]

In a few years the core will be in their prime. My hope is that RDZ can fix those tactical/micro issues and make the squad finally be greater than the sum of its parts.

I have the patience to wait for that, same as RedBird. By the summer he will have had two years in the PL

Fans and management might have the patience, but will players? I can see the likes of Leao, Theo, and Maignan wanting to move on if we continue on this sideways trajectory sporting wise with Pioli at the helm (which we have, in my opinion, when comparing the Scudetto season to now).

The point of the core being good in 2-3 years is moot if said core doesn’t stay and develop.

Tonali and Kessie for example were meant to be a part of the core and they’ve left already for monetary reasons. Im starting to feel like it’s unreasonable for some of the others to stay here and wait 2-3 years without tangible forward progress.

Yes last year was a CL semis but to me it was an extremely fortuitous run that was aided by a good draw.

Finding this balance is not easy but to me the sooner we act, the better. Even if it’s strictly not as per the model, bringing in well known names with immediately quality might be needed to signal our ambition to our better players who want to feel like they’re part of a growing project.

I know there are counter arguments to this, obviously, such as Leao agreeing to renew. But at some point we do need to make the leap forward to Scudetto favorites and CL QF+ on a regular basis.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Fans and management might have the patience, but will players? I can see the likes of Leao, Theo, and Maignan wanting to move on if we continue on this sideways trajectory sporting wise with Pioli at the helm (which we have, in my opinion, when comparing the Scudetto season to now).

The point of the core being good in 2-3 years is moot if said core doesn’t stay and develop.

Tonali and Kessie for example were meant to be a part of the core and they’ve left already for monetary reasons. Im starting to feel like it’s unreasonable for some of the others to stay here and wait 2-3 years without tangible forward progress.

Yes last year was a CL semis but to me it was an extremely fortuitous run that was aided by a good draw.

Finding this balance is not easy but to me the sooner we act, the better. Even if it’s strictly not as per the model, bringing in well known names with immediately quality might be needed to signal our ambition to our better players who want to feel like they’re part of a growing project.

I know there are counter arguments to this, obviously, such as Leao agreeing to renew. But at some point we do need to make the leap forward to Scudetto favorites and CL QF+ on a regular basis.

Also milan has lost its lustre.
We are not top dogs anymore.
The reality is we are probably in the 8-10th range in the world if you ar3 talking about champions league quality teams. Mercurial team that's capable of upsetting any big team but we aren't yet a dominating force.

Social media fans of the new era still don't follow milan us much given our poor performances In champions league and the pathetic marketability of serie a.

 

[Kmoney]

Also milan has lost its lustre.
We are not top dogs anymore.
The reality is we are probably in the 8-10th range in the world if you ar3 talking about champions league quality teams. Mercurial team that's capable of upsetting any big team but we aren't yet a dominating force.

Social media fans of the new era still don't follow milan us much given our poor performances In champions league and the pathetic marketability of serie a.

While we have lost some luster to new age fans, I still think players look at us as a top club. Maldini leaving has hurt that a bit though, if I’m a player do I really want to go play for Pioli?

I think Ibra helps a lot on that regard. If I’m a young player and Ibra calls me, I’m joining

Honestly have no clue what Padre says to players in his recruitment calls.

“Join Milan and I’ll make sure you work on the creative side of your game because I’ll be giving you no instructions on what to do in possession whatsoever”

 

[brk]

Fans and management might have the patience, but will players? I can see the likes of Leao, Theo, and Maignan wanting to move on if we continue on this sideways trajectory sporting wise with Pioli at the helm (which we have, in my opinion, when comparing the Scudetto season to now).

The point of the core being good in 2-3 years is moot if said core doesn’t stay and develop.

Tonali and Kessie for example were meant to be a part of the core and they’ve left already for monetary reasons. Im starting to feel like it’s unreasonable for some of the others to stay here and wait 2-3 years without tangible forward progress.

Yes last year was a CL semis but to me it was an extremely fortuitous run that was aided by a good draw.

Finding this balance is not easy but to me the sooner we act, the better. Even if it’s strictly not as per the model, bringing in well known names with immediately quality might be needed to signal our ambition to our better players who want to feel like they’re part of a growing project.

I know there are counter arguments to this, obviously, such as Leao agreeing to renew. But at some point we do need to make the leap forward to Scudetto favorites and CL QF+ on a regular basis.

Fans don't have patience, that's the problem. Players do have patience. Everyone is speaking about the 'project' and how they're all happy and willing to stay and win. Bennacer just said that he wants to win the CL at Milan. I'll start getting worried when Maignan stops saying he loves it here and starts flirting with other clubs. I'm confident he's going to extend soon.

We sold Tonali, he didn't ask to leave. Kessie left for money, it might happen again with another play there's no guarantee. I just feel like we're now on a path where we keep the important players on long term contracts and keep them happy, while keeping the door open for opportunities to sell for huge profits and use that to improve the squad. I can't see how anyone looks at what we did with Tonali -> Reijnders + Musah + RLC and doesn't see that as a huge, massive win. I'm sure all the players see the same also. Anyone that wants to be paid more than we are willing to offer will be sold, and that's not the end of the world. There's just no evidence (yet) that Theo, Leao, Maignan or any of the others are feeling this way.

As for the CL, any team that wins it must in some way get some fortunate draws or to get lucky somehow. That's the nature of high level sports in a tournament setting. You can't buy success or else PSG would have won and it wouldn't have taken so long for City to do it. Our draw last year wasn't THAT lucky. It was a normal draw. Not too easy, not too hard.

I also think a lot of people are discounting what we did this past summer. Pulisic, RLC, Reijnders, Musah and Okafor fixed some MASSIVE holes in the squad. Chukwueze looks like a dud so far, but he barely played so i'm not judging him yet. I want to see him a few times against a low block, as that's basically why we bought him.

This summer we did make the leap to scudetto favorites. We were playing like one before injuries fucked us up. Inter are playing really well, better than I expected, but we should be running at the same pace if not faster. Blame that on injuries, Pioli, or both but it doesn't change the fact that the squad is good enough to win the title as favorites. We are also clearly good enough to be CL QF regulars. The group draw was insane, but our performances should have been enough to qualify. A win against Dortmund makes it highly likely that we will qualify, hopefully as group winners if PSG don't win both their games.

 

[brk]

Also milan has lost its lustre.
We are not top dogs anymore.
The reality is we are probably in the 8-10th range in the world if you ar3 talking about champions league quality teams. Mercurial team that's capable of upsetting any big team but we aren't yet a dominating force.

Social media fans of the new era still don't follow milan us much given our poor performances In champions league and the pathetic marketability of serie a.

You're saying that as if that's a bad thing. 8-10th in the world is pretty much our ceiling for now. Let's list the top 7 teams in Europe:

Man City
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
PSG
Arsenal
Liverpool

That eighth spot is between Chelsea, Man United, Tottenham, Inter, Milan, Napoli, Juventus, Dortmund, Atletico and maybe a few more depending on form. There are a LOT of good clubs in Europe. Being in the top 8 is our goal. We're not going to be the uniquely top like we were before in the Berlusconi era. That is impossible now. As long as we're in the top handful of clubs, where we can dominate Serie A and challenge consistently for the CL, we're good.

As for our brand image, it's skyrocketing back up again. Every year we get back many steps closer to where we were before the banter era. A few more years and it will be as if that dark decade never happened.

 

[brk]

While we have lost some luster to new age fans, I still think players look at us as a top club. Maldini leaving has hurt that a bit though, if I’m a player do I really want to go play for Pioli?

I think Ibra helps a lot on that regard. If I’m a young player and Ibra calls me, I’m joining

Honestly have no clue what Padre says to players in his recruitment calls.

“Join Milan and I’ll make sure you work on the creative side of your game because I’ll be giving you no instructions on what to do in possession whatsoever”

You're romanticizing it way too much. Also many players have said that Pioli explaining their role and how important they will be was a big part in them joining. When RDZ joins it will be even more enticing to join us. I'm looking forward to a long cycle with RDZ at the helm in his dream job, turning Moncada gems into superstars.

 

[Kmoney]

You're romanticizing it way too much. Also many players have said that Pioli explaining their role and how important they will be was a big part in them joining. When RDZ joins it will be even more enticing to join us. I'm looking forward to a long cycle with RDZ at the helm in his dream job, turning Moncada gems into superstars.

Me too, man. Once RDZ comes my overall outlook towards the future of the club will change drastically. Im just so sick of Pioli at this point.

 

[Alo88]

He’s said numerous times he wants to return to manage in Italy annd be close to his family. Inter and Juve are out. The only realistic options are Milan, Napoli or maybe Roma to a lesser degree.

I think he'll end up in Rome. It's the only place I can see sack one big ego for another.

 

[brk]

I think he'll end up in Rome. It's the only place I can see sack one big ego for another.

I agree, Conte will go to Roma.

 

[Alo88]

Also milan has lost its lustre.
We are not top dogs anymore.
The reality is we are probably in the 8-10th range in the world if you ar3 talking about champions league quality teams. Mercurial team that's capable of upsetting any big team but we aren't yet a dominating force.

Social media fans of the new era still don't follow milan us much given our poor performances In champions league and the pathetic marketability of serie a.

Actually, some weeks back, I posted a link showing how AC Milan is currently the fastest growing brand in football. We're not at the top, but don't you worry, we're on our way back there much faster than we're aware of, especially in these times where everything that can go against us on the pitch does.

 

[ACM14061988]

Looks like Fenerbache is still pushing to buy Krunic in January

 

[Kmoney]

Looks like Fenerbache is still pushing to buy Krunic in January

I hope he goes now. We can bring in another DM and get Bennacer back as well. Krunic is just so average at everything and he’s extremely sloppy at passing

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

Actually, some weeks back, I posted a link showing how AC Milan is currently the fastest growing brand in football. We're not at the top, but don't you worry, we're on our way back there much faster than we're aware of, especially in these times where everything that can go against us on the pitch does.

Social media Scudetto trophy next to the accounting one, and we want to be challenging for the meme championship as well... #winning

It's in line with our glorious owners wishes and this new generation will bathe in the glory of "likes" over W's at times.

While I see the importance of media presence, and acknowledge the financial benefit it can bring... Can we address so e of the simple day to day football shit as well?

Honestly I hope upper management are all over our issues rather than soaking up the sun in our new offices in Dubai.

I'd way rather Maldini got offices in Ibiza yo be fair lol, Bunga Bunga Bunga!!!

 

[ROSSONERI7]

It’s the year 2070
Messi get his 46th Ballon d’or

 

[Cloren]

The curva sud is a huge reason why home games at San Siro have an incredible atmosphere. There has been talk that we're designing the new stadium to maximize their impact, similar to how Dortmund does theirs.

I know.

Look I’ve seen how Madrid atmosphere has changed since they banned the ultras. Even a bit of the Beckham documentary or the old Capello matches of Madrid in the 2000s I was watching few weeks ago, I can tell the difference in atmosphere. It ain’t the same.

But I guess it’s a question about morals and safety.

I don’t like seeing criminals feeling the need of being so important, criminals who even recently racially abused Lukaku, stabbed someone and sent them to the hospital and send a threatening banner to cut the tongue of an Inter player because he sang some chant.

Not only that, this section of fans who booed Maldini in their farewell match, something I will never ever forget and forgive.

Pioli should not owe an explanation to these kind of people.

 

[theduck7]

I know.

Look I’ve seen how Madrid atmosphere has changed since they banned the ultras. Even a bit of the Beckham documentary or the old Capello matches of Madrid in the 2000s I was watching few weeks ago, I can tell the difference in atmosphere. It ain’t the same.

But I guess it’s a question about morals and safety.

I don’t like seeing criminals feeling the need of being so important, criminals who even recently racially abused Lukaku, stabbed someone and sent them to the hospital and send a threatening banner to cut the tongue of an Inter player because he sang some chant.

Not only that, this section of fans who booed Maldini in their farewell match, something I will never ever forget and forgive.

Pioli should not owe an explanation to these kind of people.

Just give the explanation to the real fans please Pioli- why we play shit and have so many injuries dawg? Eh dawg??

 

[Cloren]

 

[brk]

Social media Scudetto trophy next to the accounting one, and we want to be challenging for the meme championship as well... #winning

It's in line with our glorious owners wishes and this new generation will bathe in the glory of "likes" over W's at times.

While I see the importance of media presence, and acknowledge the financial benefit it can bring... Can we address so e of the simple day to day football shit as well?

Honestly I hope upper management are all over our issues rather than soaking up the sun in our new offices in Dubai.

I'd way rather Maldini got offices in Ibiza yo be fair lol, Bunga Bunga Bunga!!!

How is it mutually exclusive? Winning financially and in terms of engagement and branding does not mean we're not also building towards sporting success. It's all part of the same process. We want sporting success, and even in the most cynical view, Gerry wants only financial success. Well, they both have to happen together or they won't happen at all. We only get sporting success through good financial health, and we only get an extremely high valuation for a club sale with big sporting success. You can't get one without the other.