The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

[milanator]

3 at the back = defensive boring football am I right?

This just shows how clueless you and most of the people waffling about Conte's playstyle actually are. His teams always scored a lot, especially in his most recent years. On top of that, they don't concede much either. God forbid we hire such a boring, defensive minded coach arghhhh.

11/12 Juventus: Scored 77 in 43 (1.79 goals per game)
12/13 Juventus: Scored 59 in 35 (1.68 goals per game)
13/14 Juventus: Scored 106 in 55 (1.92 goals per game)
16/17 Chelsea: Scored 109 in 37 (2.94 goals per game)
17/18 Chelsea: Scored 109 in 59 (1.84 goals per game)
19/20 Inter: Scored 113 in 54 (2.09 goals per game)
20/21 Inter: Scored 101 in 48 (2.10 goals per game)
21/22 Tottenham: Scored 72 in 36 (2.00 goals per game)
22/23 Tottenham: Scored 62 in 20 (3.10 goals per game)
Total: 808 in 387 (2.08 goals per game)

Now let's compare this to our 3 most successful coaches since 2000:

Pioli:
19/20: Scored 65 in 35 (1.85 goals per game)
20/21: Scored 112 in 53 (2.11 goals per game)
21/22: Scored 82 in 48 (1.70 goals per game)
22/23: Scored 79 in 52 (1.51 goals per game)
23/24: Scored 53 in 30 (1.76 goals per game)
Total: 391 in 218 (1.79 goals per game)

Allegri:
10/11: Scored 80 in 50 (1.60 goals per game)
11/12: Scored 100 in 53 (1.88 goals per game)
12/13: Scored 80 in 48 (1.66 goals per game)
13/14: Scored 43 in 27 (1.59 goals per game)
Total: 303 in 178 (1.70 goals per game)

Ancelotti:
Total: 720 in 420 (1.71 goals per game)
Under Champagne Carlo, with one of the best squads ever assembled we've only managed 2 times to score over 100 goals in a season out of 8.

There is a difference between playing attacking and scoring. Most people that watch Serie A especially, will be well aware that defensive teams can score a lot. It is more about the how and it also favors different players.

 

[milanator]

eh

Last summer's signing was mostly players entering their primes bar a few. I don't think it will clash that much

plus with the B team coming next season, players will still develop plenty regardless of who Conte prefers

The local club I like had a B team in the second highest league in Austria, it was completely useless and a loss making exercise. I think Milan will handle it much better, but I still wouldn't put too much hope in it. Imo this will more increase quantity than peak quality, but of course you can appease U20-21 players for 1-2 seasons with it.

 

[Cloren]

League is what should always matters anyway.
When we are controlling it, the CL will comes eventually.
No coach will be given Carlo's treatment where its allowed to be shit in the league if you compete in CL.

Carlo was very good in the league. 2.02 PPM in 1277 matches insanity.

Issue why he didn’t win the league as much is due to insanely strong competition, corruption or limited squads.

Our Milan from 2006-09 was just simply not equipped at all in the slightest to win the league.

Our 2005-06 team, we won 88 points which is enough to win the league in 99% of the time. It wasn’t enough to win the league because Juve got 91 points somehow.

2004/05? Robbery Juventus, they literally fixed the league.

 

[Hugh Janus]

There is a difference between playing attacking and scoring. Most people that watch Serie A especially, will be well aware that defensive teams can score a lot. It is more about the how and it also favors different players.

Sure. His teams score a lot of goals, don't concede much and win trophies.

I understand this might be a bit unusual and unknown for most of the Milan fans post 2011, you know, scoring goals and winning trophies but I'm sure they can adapt.

 

[Hugh Janus]

Replacing our second best coach of the century with a Juventus and inter guy,couldn't make it up really.

Pal, our second best coach of the century is a lifelong Inter fan and while drunk during Milan's scudetto celebrations chanted Forza Inter. Get a grip ffs.

 

[Cloren]

Yeah I don’t get this myth about Conte being a defensive coach.

3 at the back doesn’t necessarily mean defensive coach.

Playing fast and quick transitions is also another form of attack.

 

[papaberlu]

The local club I like had a B team in the second highest league in Austria, it was completely useless and a loss making exercise. I think Milan will handle it much better, but I still wouldn't put too much hope in it. Imo this will more increase quantity than peak quality, but of course you can appease U20-21 players for 1-2 seasons with it.

I disagree. It has been Juve's primary injection of talent lately

It develops young talent for them and provides funds for the mercato

 

[CDarius]

Carlo bottled both of this games:

What an awesome manager

Imagine if Pioli would have bottled those...

"his dumb subs"
"he got drunk at HT"
"he lost the dressing room"
"1on1 defending"
"pass to Leao and inshallah"
"dribble dribble dribble"
"no DM"
"Calabria starting again"
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[Cloren]

People who say bringing Conte will break Leao and make him leave.

If that’s the case then I’m afraid Leao was never a superstar that we thought so.

If you think Leao is currently being held down by Pioli which I definitely think it’s the case, then you should relish Conte who can possibly take him to the next level.

I don’t think Leao is a lazy player, or I think it’s exaggerated and the lack of tracking back might seem to be an intentional tactic, so I think he can work according to what Conte demands. I see him as a special player still.

But if he really really can’t, then he was never that good.

 

[papaberlu]

outside of this fanbase no one really thinks we're underperforming

because no one watches Serie A

Ask Inter fans what they think of Pioli and how badly they want him to stay

 

[Cloren]

Imagine if Pioli would have bottled those...

"his dumb subs"
"he got drunk at HT"
"he lost the dressing room"
"1on1 defending"
"pass to Leao and inshallah"
"dribble dribble dribble"
"no DM"
"Calabria starting again"
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.
.

Imagine Pioli reaching a CL final?

Yeah I can’t bro sorry you got me.

 

[rossonero1]

Some people here act as if Conte is the saviour who guarantees a scudetto. Plot twist: No, he's not. Conte has not developed in recent years.

If Conte comes, it's a long way from guaranteeing a title.

And don't forget, he may have had success in Serie A in the past but it's the Marotta League and he's had success with Marotta teams. And his teams have always been the most expensive in the league. That won't be the case with us.

Anyone who only thinks about short-term success has learnt nothing in recent years. Everything should be designed for long-term success, then the short-term success will come by itself and we can start an era like Bayern Munich in Germany.

Last time I checked Conte won the scudetto every season but one that he's coached in Serie A so yeah I think he's as close to a guarantee to a scudetto there is.

 

[ACM14061988]

Suma said he respects Momblano but from what he knows there is no way that Conte will coach Milan next summer. Redbird already put 40 million in the books for the stadium. He also said the politicians of Milano want to just waste time because they want the rent money of San Siro

 

[Hugh Janus]

But ac have always chosen Europe over league. Rather win a cl than back to back league titles like juventus

That's just an excuse for underperforming in the league.

The reality is we've won 3 CLs and 3 Scudetti in 25 years.

 

[rossonero1]

So is no one going to post that Gerry said in an interview owning Milan is exhausting? Starting to feel the pressure.

 

[Kmoney]

That's a brave point, but it could very well happen under this management... I have absolutely no faith in them actually wanting to win trophies just now.

140m mercato, stadium green lit, heavy investment in youth sector, paid a lot of money to get rid of sporting directors who were underperforming.

Which part of that screams “we don’t want to win trophies?”

Do you want a 300m mercato and Mbappe to feel that the owners are ambitious?

I really don’t get the take of some people on here

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

Look at the group we had this year though also it's not as if we were disgraced- better finishing in either of the first 2 games and we'd have gone through, the manager can't be blamed for everything!

That's BS... We have squad built to perform and play better and we expect more.

We can blame the players sure, but Pioli isn't guilt free of shirt comings.

My point is that if we're bashing Conte for his CL history, let's also point the mirror at Pioli...

 

[Kmoney]

Our opponents in Europe next season when they see Conte on our bench:

Well our opponents in Serie a do this now so it’s an upgrade

 

[Hugh Janus]

Now show us his world class numbers when it comes to champions league football ???

It's a perfect fit then, no?

We both suck in the Champions League.

 

[papaberlu]

So is no one going to post that Gerry said in an interview owning Milan is exhausting? Starting to feel the pressure.

link?

 

[Kmoney]

3 at the back = defensive boring football am I right?

This just shows how clueless you and most of the people waffling about Conte's playstyle actually are. His teams always scored a lot, especially in his most recent years. On top of that, they don't concede much either. God forbid we hire such a boring, defensive minded coach arghhhh.

11/12 Juventus: Scored 77 in 43 (1.79 goals per game)
12/13 Juventus: Scored 59 in 35 (1.68 goals per game)
13/14 Juventus: Scored 106 in 55 (1.92 goals per game)
16/17 Chelsea: Scored 109 in 37 (2.94 goals per game)
17/18 Chelsea: Scored 109 in 59 (1.84 goals per game)
19/20 Inter: Scored 113 in 54 (2.09 goals per game)
20/21 Inter: Scored 101 in 48 (2.10 goals per game)
21/22 Tottenham: Scored 72 in 36 (2.00 goals per game)
22/23 Tottenham: Scored 62 in 20 (3.10 goals per game)
Total: 808 in 387 (2.08 goals per game)

Now let's compare this to our 3 most successful coaches since 2000:

Pioli:
19/20: Scored 65 in 35 (1.85 goals per game)
20/21: Scored 112 in 53 (2.11 goals per game)
21/22: Scored 82 in 48 (1.70 goals per game)
22/23: Scored 79 in 52 (1.51 goals per game)
23/24: Scored 53 in 30 (1.76 goals per game)
Total: 391 in 218 (1.79 goals per game)

Allegri:
10/11: Scored 80 in 50 (1.60 goals per game)
11/12: Scored 100 in 53 (1.88 goals per game)
12/13: Scored 80 in 48 (1.66 goals per game)
13/14: Scored 43 in 27 (1.59 goals per game)
Total: 303 in 178 (1.70 goals per game)

Ancelotti:
Total: 720 in 420 (1.71 goals per game)
Under Champagne Carlo, with one of the best squads ever assembled we've only managed 2 times to score over 100 goals in a season out of 8.

Tactics videos please

I’m going to get myself hyped

I am warning to the idea slowly

I’ve realized that the key is to trick my brain into thinking 3 ATB not 5 ATB

 

[ACM14061988]

So is no one going to post that Gerry said in an interview owning Milan is exhausting? Starting to feel the pressure.

I wanted to post it but is way too long

 

[Kmoney]

Sempre Milan reporting reopening the negotiations for Good Morning

Milan have said they were willing to negotiate from the €35-40m price demanded by Torino, and to take on the defender’s recovery therapies meaning he would only be available to Pioli starting from March.

Milan Lab asking for him.

Obvious Conte request

 

[ACM14061988]

link?

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www.gq.com

 

[Dokoa]

He is a proven winner. That's all matters.

Every coach needs some top players to win.

You pep could do well without a star studded team? If he coach biolis 2023 squad prior to our transfer window we would be around number 6 or 7.

Limited resources? Yes. Go look at his Rube team in 2011 to 2013 season. It's an average side. Yet they did the double. Yea now you will say it's cause they bombed out of ucl. So? We aren't going to go far in ucl anytime soon until we are able to make a couple of big money moves.

So conte for a year or 2 is more than fine depending on how he performs

Nothing wrong with a 3 5 2. We have serious issues vs teams that use such formations. Might finally learn a thing or 2 about countering it.

Pep is the GOAT like it or not. Period. Give Pioli players Pep has and see if he will produce same thing what Pep did. Pep changed the football mate. He is the best

 

[CanUNoTouch]

C

Conte is and always was 3/5/2 or a variation like 3 1 4 2 yes

Yea 200 mil and that bought how many players. It was mostly not expensive transfers. He bought players that suited his system.

Physical fitness was top tier under conte for every team he coched barring the latest stint.

I dint mean double in that sense. I meant he won multiple scudetti in a row. So yea.

And he made inter what they are now. Every top coach needs good players or atleast players that fit a system. Rather spend money to buy players that suit contest style knowing he can actually deliver.

Bioli with his 120 mil odd expenditure based on what he needs for the team has failed spectacularly so far.

Conte used 424 at Bari used 433 at Siena. Also wanted to go 433 at Juve but because they wouldn't sign off on signing wingers he left. He went 433 at Chelsea and they got exposed and he went 343 as he realised that the midfield control in England isn't as important because of the physicality and transitional nature of the league.

It doesn't matter how much you're trying to dress it up. A Pig in lipstick is still a Pig in lipstick. It doesn't matter many players Ladri signed it was still 200m over 3 seasons? How the fuck you can call that limited resources. Are you still drunk and hungover from Australia day?

You know Conte's fitness coach died right? What's to say the new man is up to task?

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

140m mercato, stadium green lit, heavy investment in youth sector, paid a lot of money to get rid of sporting directors who were underperforming.

Which part of that screams “we don’t want to win trophies?”

Do you want a 300m mercato and Mbappe to feel that the owners are ambitious?

I really don’t get the take of some people on here

That's all investment in infrastructure and assets that can be used to make money... Just as easily as put out a winning team.

So far, we've won jack all, sold a player for a huge, underperformed in the CL and are faulting in the league... Most of these issues are because of their appointments.

It's a different side to the same coin.

Come tell me I'm wrong when we've won #20 and won a cup or something.

And trust me I'll back down and praise who needs praised, I'm pretty straight up like that bro.

Currently we have what the "stadiums coming" Scudetto, the "nearly there with youth project" Scudetto, to go with out "accounting scudetto " and "we're so woke" Scudetto?

Tell me one piece of silverware this ownership has won?

That's an honest question... And trust me I think/hope we can win something this year.

If the chances current management have made adds value to the club in terms of future profit and they sell sooner rather than later... Have they made these changes and investments for profit or sporting reasons?

"Currently" they haven't won a thing so I'm my time before taking Gerry's tip lol.

I think factually, currently I'm correct though haha... But, let's see, I want Milan to win shit more than being proven right haha!

 

[Dokoa]

Carlo bottled both of these games:

What an awesome manager

Carlo underachieved with us. He needed 165 games to reach to 100 wins with all those amazing players we had. Just for record Pioli needed 166 games to reach to 100 wins

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

It would have been easy to progress in this difficult group. It's not Pioli's fault that we scored a staggering 0 goals from 44 shots on goal in the first two games against Newcastle and Dortmund.

I'm certainly not trying to defend Pioli and we need a new coach. But for heaven's sake... not Conte.

I'm not saying I want Conte, I'm playing devil's advocate... Stocking isn't any better than twisting as I see it.

This team, squad is flat and failing too many times... Pioli has had all the support we can give him.

Conte isn't my choice, and I think it's more PR from his side, who's all beating down his foot with job offers?

I think it's Motta we'll get, lower wages, costs, higher upside... But, if we bin Pioli and bring in Conte I'll give him a chance... His rope is short though lol.

 

[R.Akbar]

Carlo bottled both of these games:

What an awesome manager

HOW DARE YOU