The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

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I think we're not going to agree, it is what it is...

But yeah, we should probably hire Genoa's scouting network and manager based on your information.

Milan keep buying pussies that need time...
Or maybe playing for Genoa is less pressure than playing for Milan.
Just like playing for Sevilla is less pressure than playing for Man City.
 

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If Pioli really is gone (let’s wait for the official announcement) it will help clarify a few ongoing discussions. Are the disjointed performances on the coach or on the players ? and have the players been utilised properly to date ?

No squad will ever be perfect. There will always be defective players who underperform, are not a good fit the team plan or just a lost cause. The same applies to coaches it can go either way.

This summer will likely demonstrate where Milan and its owners want to be. The squad has a solid foundation built over the last few years, it requires a few adjustments as it always will.

The stadium is a significant step even if RedBird are not owners to see it through to fruition. One thing for certain is the path Milan are on will never be boring.
I'm pretty stressed about RDZ possibly becoming our manager, what if I'm just a complete moron (I am, btw) and RDZ comes here and fucks it all up?

How could I possibly spin that?

It'd be a tough one. I am not looking forward to that possibility.
 

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Or maybe playing for Genoa is less pressure than playing for Milan.
Just like playing for Sevilla is less pressure than playing for Man City.
Anyone got the "moving goalpost" gif please thanks...
 

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I'm pretty stressed about RDZ possibly becoming our manager, what if I'm just a complete moron (I am, btw) and RDZ comes here and fucks it all up?

How could I possibly spin that?

It'd be a tough one. I am not looking forward to that possibility.
Are we glad we didn't get Kamada lol?
 

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Bench rot where Adli sat for the whole year and is now one of our starters? He magically needed to sit for the whole year to learn how to play after being a 21 year old captain for a Ligue 1 team?

We have the same problems as we did last year.

Every team will have to renew their squads, change things, and Pulisic and RLC were being negotiated by Maldini before he got fired, remember the jokes about RLC's agent being ignored?

We have only 5 more points than Bologna who rely and fearure Alexis Saelemaekers.

If you want to make the horizon 4 years, then let's go with four years. I'll give them four, whilst acknowledging they inherited a better starting point than Maldini. But then we also have to justify firing executives who recruited our best players if we want to use a four year window.

What is confusing for others (not you my friend) and gets them all upset and whiny is that they don't understand this point. Are we comparing 1 year to 1 year? Or 4 to 4?

Patience is needed, for sure. But even without the background of a contentious firing, this is Milan. Expectations are high and we've tasted victory. Big clubs don't lend themselves to patience.
I agree with most of what you say, you know I do.
I just find the fact that some people cannot let go of the fact that we got rid of Paolo amongst others for mistakes made tedious.
Paolo renewed Pioli and stated in his interview that Pioli deserves to stay.

Yet nearly everyone here has been saying Pioli has done a shit job this season and needs to be replaced.
So are we just blindly worshiping the guy who we believe is a martyr because "Gods can do no wrong"?
Or do we move with the idea that even god-like personalities can make errors in judgement leading to their getting fired?
 

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I'm pretty stressed about RDZ possibly becoming our manager, what if I'm just a complete moron (I am, btw) and RDZ comes here and fucks it all up?

How could I possibly spin that?

It'd be a tough one. I am not looking forward to that possibility.
We can all make and assert predictions and they can go as we would have anticipated or not. If there were a definitive formula to success without having a bottomless well of money l’m quite certain someone would have figured it out by now. Just enjoy the journey and revel in it even more should it prove a winning formula.
 

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I'm pretty stressed about RDZ possibly becoming our manager, what if I'm just a complete moron (I am, btw) and RDZ comes here and fucks it all up?

How could I possibly spin that?

It'd be a tough one. I am not looking forward to that possibility.
I am surprised that such a good coach was not hired by Bayern last year and until now no any rumored connection with Liverpool or Barcelona .
 

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I agree with most of what you say, you know I do.
I just find the fact that some people cannot let go of the fact that we got rid of Paolo amongst others for mistakes made tedious.
Paolo renewed Pioli and stated in his interview that Pioli deserves to stay.

Yet nearly everyone here has been saying Pioli has done a shit job this season and needs to be replaced.
So are we just blindly worshiping the guy who we believe is a martyr because "Gods can do no wrong"?
Or do we move with the idea that even god-like personalities can make errors in judgement leading to their getting fired?
I think the fact that Maldini's role in our return was downplayed and his final year was the near (not total [reading comprehension helps <this isn't for you Ryo btw>]) exclusive lens through which he was evaluated makes many disinterested in calls for patience after we are in a pretty similar spot (worse I think) to last year.

I did not like Origi or CDK, hated both transfers. Maldini is not infallible.

But we are not fighting for the league. Not in the Coppa Italia. And we're out of the CL. Great we have a bench, what has that yielded?

We're either worse off or in the same spot as last year.

If last year justified heads to roll, then why shouldn't people be mad this year?

(I'm about to take off for a flight so sorry if I don't reply for a bit, but I respect you bro and am just explaining, but I think you know and I'm bringing nothing new to your attention. Just, don't defend Chuk, he doesn't deserve you lol.)
 

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I agree with most of what you say, you know I do.
I just find the fact that some people cannot let go of the fact that we got rid of Paolo amongst others for mistakes made tedious.
Paolo renewed Pioli and stated in his interview that Pioli deserves to stay.

Yet nearly everyone here has been saying Pioli has done a shit job this season and needs to be replaced.
So are we just blindly worshiping the guy who we believe is a martyr because "Gods can do no wrong"?
Or do we move with the idea that even god-like personalities can make errors in judgement leading to their getting fired?
You do know that most of us who appreciate and respect what that "god" you talk of, did for us...

Also repeatedly say he made mistakes, and his ideas and probably ego, clashed with Gerry's, and unsurprisingly the owner of the club won that ding dong.

CDK and Origi, along with not replacing Kessie and Hakan, while "letting"' then and Donna and Roman all leave for free, are all Paolo's fault?

Or are there other mitigating factors and other people involved in the decisions that led to all those things?

Paolo is as much a meme to me as club legend now.

The club goes on, the good work he and other did, have absolutely set Milan on a better course.... We all want Gerry to continue us on that course, just some of us have our doubts.

I do fear we see things very different, but no harm no foul... You're defending your point, although I think there are rose tinted views mixed in there with solid points.
 

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We don't know what his bonuses are, though. CDK's were simply whether we made CL or not, but beyond the 20 or 28m of his transfer fee, being in the last year of his contract, he's on 4m without growth decree--he has done pretty poorly outside of two goals in the CL. Even in those games he was poor.

I think Pulisic was seen as a competitor for both wings, while Chuk was expected to take the RW spot for his own.

His play is what worries me, he looks so lost, incapable of doing basic things. He doesn't even look like a threat.

Maybe next year he explodes, I hope he does. Him finishing the year strongly would be even better. He wouldn't be the first player to start slow. But he's been really, really bad.
The biggest issue is that Serie A requires an attacker to be a bit more clever than other leagues, unless you are truly special individually. I just think the demands here have him completely stumped. Maybe he needs an extra year to figure it out, as lots of foreign transfers have. But, so far, he seems lost as to what to do here
 

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The biggest issue is that Serie A requires an attacker to be a bit more clever than other leagues, unless you are truly special individually. I just think the demands here have him completely stumped. Maybe he needs an extra year to figure it out, as lots of foreign transfers have. But, so far, he seems lost as to what to do here
But why is it always our new players that "need time to adjust"?

Other teams across Italy unearth players yearly that hit the ground running... What's the issue at Milan? Scouting or coaching?

It's happening a little too often, and the inconsistencies in why some are defended or attacked is baffling at times.

I can say the players I've been hard on are Messias, Diaz, Origi, ChK Krunic and RLC... None are starting quality for Milan. That's the crux if my issues with them.

A few have "Gotten on base", but it's funny how some on that list get a hard time for being signed by one management and the others are shielded from any negative comment or criticism.

Some players adjust, some don't, but let's not keep rolling out the reason for players being duds is that they all need time.

Sometimes we just sign bang average players, and they should be called out as such.

Salad, bang average, scored goals in the CL, cost 6/7 million, low wages... Messias, delivery driver not long ago, 6/7 million cost, low low wages, scores some CL goals...

Both functional squad players that cost very little, but ultimately weren't and aren't Milan starting quality... Neither is ChK!
 

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A lot of journalists are saying that Pioli is gone in the summer, maybe a new coach really changes our players?

Who knows?
It is what it is? We really all in on motta?
Huge risk but worth a shot
 

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De Zerbi teams hemorrhage goals for fun. Motta is interesting because he sets his players up to play high intensity, attacking football, while at least this season based on goals allowed, is the 3rd best defense in the league. Bologna will just tackle you into oblivion when they lose the ball. Some of our squad plays into that (our defenders), but our midfielders are tackle-shy, so something's gotta give there to replicate Bologna's current steadiness in the middle of the park.
 

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Absolutely, we were thin from the bench... Are new management not lucky that they have an almost finished starting 11 to add a depth filled bench too?

And signings by old management funded last summer's spend and are likely to fund this summer's market as well.

But yeah, M&M and Elliot really left us in a mess, god bless Gerry for saving us lol.

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Look at this prick, leaving the team he says he loves in such a mess an shit!!!
How do you get more handsome as you are older? He looks better now than he did in his 20s
Maldini
 

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But why is it always our new players that "need time to adjust"?

Other teams across Italy unearth players yearly that hit the ground running... What's the issue at Milan? Scouting or coaching?

It's happening a little too often, and the inconsistencies in why some are defended or attacked is baffling at times.

I can say the players I've been hard on are Messias, Diaz, Origi, ChK Krunic and RLC... None are starting quality for Milan. That's the crux if my issues with them.

A few have "Gotten on base", but it's funny how some on that list get a hard time for being signed by one management and the others are shielded from any negative comment or criticism.

Some players adjust, some don't, but let's not keep rolling out the reason for players being duds is that they all need time.

Sometimes we just sign bang average players, and they should be called out as such.

Salad, bang average, scored goals in the CL, cost 6/7 million, low wages... Messias, delivery driver not long ago, 6/7 million cost, low low wages, scores some CL goals...

Both functional squad players that cost very little, but ultimately weren't and aren't Milan starting quality... Neither is ChK!
Well… I don’t think it’s just us. I’ve felt it true generally over the past few decades that Serie A isn’t as straight forward for players from other leagues to adapt to. Maybe a prejudice of mine; but, I have it in my head that we’re a slightly higher IQ league. Lots of players admit to having early trouble with how “tactical” it is vs where they came from.

I think, as Milan fans, we remember our failures with some bitterness, while easily forgetting other team’s struggles. It’s easier to be annoyed at other team’s successes
 

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But why is it always our new players that "need time to adjust"?

Other teams across Italy unearth players yearly that hit the ground running... What's the issue at Milan? Scouting or coaching?

It's happening a little too often, and the inconsistencies in why some are defended or attacked is baffling at times.

I can say the players I've been hard on are Messias, Diaz, Origi, ChK Krunic and RLC... None are starting quality for Milan. That's the crux if my issues with them.

A few have "Gotten on base", but it's funny how some on that list get a hard time for being signed by one management and the others are shielded from any negative comment or criticism.

Some players adjust, some don't, but let's not keep rolling out the reason for players being duds is that they all need time.

Sometimes we just sign bang average players, and they should be called out as such.

Salad, bang average, scored goals in the CL, cost 6/7 million, low wages... Messias, delivery driver not long ago, 6/7 million cost, low low wages, scores some CL goals...

Both functional squad players that cost very little, but ultimately weren't and aren't Milan starting quality... Neither is ChK!
:lol: even the biggest selling clubs, the ones that we are too big to become, have duds.

Nobody reasonable is saying anyone shouldn’t be allowed any players who don’t work out. But it falls within certain people’s job description to make decisions so that you don’t spend a majority of your funds on a player who didn’t work out, leaving other issues unaddressed. And it’s quite telling what they thought of the job they did when their solution is “more money needs to be spent”, I have yet to hear that from Moncada or anyone who’s in charge btw, going on TV and explaining that we couldn’t build on previous year bc we didn’t spend enough.

Plus who were Bologna’s gems before this year?
 
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failing on your 35m transfer when your overall budget is 50m bc you refuse to sell anyone

failing on your 20m gamble when you were able spend over 100m funded mostly by a gambling addict and every other transfer is contributing right off the back

Yes, these are exactly the same :LOL:

Of course it’s much easier to keep up the childish behavior of wanting to shit on current management ASAP when you make it seem like people are being unreasonable and not allowing for any mistakes (surprise surprise, same old tactics), explains some people’s laughable thought process.
 
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The fact that Serie A seems like it is rotating champions is making me suspicious after Gerry's interviews where he keeps talking about how much better it is for different teams to win.
Juve won 9 in a row
 
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Won title with Kessie after tailoring the role for him
Placed Krunic there when Tonali and Bennacer couldnt cut it
Started season with Krunic after no DM was brought in for the 2nd season and only dropped him after injury and it was clear the club wasnt giving him a pay raise.

There are no DM's in the setup - I blame management for that more than Pioli

I agree with you mostly but I do think Pioli has a part to blame for this season.

Last season definitely not his fault but the players we bought had characteristics that he wanted and none of them were a DM
 

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Do you care If we play ugly football and win often in the league and compete/ win in ucl or play attractive football and just be competitive in ucl and finish top 3 consistently.
 

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