The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[grandeacm2]

It makes sense to sign this Guerra kid asap if we rate him that highly
It's better to sign players first and then sell what we have to sell since whenever we do the opposite other clubs ask more because they know we got money

 

[BrianAC]

A report of him - two years old

Javi Guerra: The Mestalla Product Shining for Valencia - Breaking The Lines

Club: Valencia Nationality: Spain Position(s): CM, DM, AM Preferred Foot: Right Height: 6’2”/187cm Age: 20 Strengths: ball-carrying, dribbling, long-range shooting, power, stamina, passing, long passing, positioning, tackling Areas for Development: box-crashing volume From Kang-in Lee to Isco...

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Scouting Report : Javi Guerra

Valencia FC is coming back to be in contention for European places towards the next season, after some years of both economic and football “crisis”. The Spanish team, after a huge generational renewal, is trusting on young academy boys who are having huge impact in Spanish La Liga, and would...

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[vB9]

Not as good as Bennacer.

 

[Samaldinho]

I dont find it absurd at all. I think the price for Deers that had to be met was 70mil. Also its obvious that a big part of selling Deers is to balance the books. Now we can again play hardball.

They didn't need to balance the books for this financial year--they chose to put things on our books that they didn't need to, like the acquisition of San Donato, for example.

It is next year where the lack of CL revenue impacts the books, so why make a sale for this year? And we're not getting 70m, the base fee is in the 55-57m range with bonuses on top--and after seeing the impact of a Tonali sale trumpeted at 70m plus 10m in earn-outs (directly quoted from Gerry Cardinale) only for our books to reflect 58m, I'm sorry, it's not a good strategy.

But let's say that we did need to balance the books, you just sell your most desired player for a bare-minimum price? The player who is at the peak of his hype?

Was Man City the only place where we could sell Reijnders? Real wouldn't want him? Chelsea? Liverpool? PSG?

You play hardball with the players that have the largest market. What is Musah's market? Napoli and some random link to West Ham?

Tonali and Reijnders sales have both been described as bargains, by pundits and fans alike in England, we sold Tonali for a bargain, without creating a bidding war, for a highly desirable player, and with Tonali we didn't have to balance the books, so why are we rewarding teams for coming in early for in-demand players with cut-price deals?

Are we getting anything out of it?

 

[Hitman]

This is such a dumb strategy. They should have first sold Musah for 25 mil and Maignan for 20 mil, maybe even Saladmaker or Tomori / Thiaw / Theo. Then they they should have said 90-100 mil for Reindeer or no sale.

Instead they sell the best player super fast, and bargain for more money on the less good players!! Who is the genius behind this strategy?

This is absurd. You stand firm on a price for Musah but fold easily to sell Reijnders?

Milan must have had a 'gentleman's agreement' before the season ended on his price, and we respected it. City had to come in fast and get a player ready for CWC, so they negotiated with us verbally and wanted a price before others got involved in order not to take the price up, kinda like what Newcastle did with Tonali. When Reijnders had that turn on San Siro with his son on his shoulders at the last match, we probably had already agreed verbally to sell him to City with the price already agreed upon.

We were not in a rush to sell him, but City were in a real rush to buy him, and their negotiation skills ensured they got the price they wanted, while on our side we believe we got the price we wanted. This was obviously done before Tare.

FFP would be irrelevant if we had oil sheikhs for owners like City and PSG

again, you have proven how incompetent you are about finances and how they work

 

[ymsv]

Allegri - Morata

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[Alo88]

while I like this "take it or leave it" strategy, it will not really work with players who have 1 year on their contract left

regardless of who the player is, losing a player for free rather than getting 12-15m for him, even if he's worth 50m, is a loss.

i expect Maignan & Theo to be sold before season's start unless we renew them in July. Milan's not in a good position with these two

Agreed. But for now, there’s no real urgency to sell – at least not when it comes to Maignan. It feels like they want to give it one last shot, hoping Allegri’s arrival might help sway him toward a renewal. If that fails, then yeah – a sale is inevitable. But they’re not rushing it.

Theo, on the other hand, seems like he’s already halfway out the door. Problem is: no one’s actually opening it. Even Atletico, who looked like the most serious contenders, apparently backed out out of nowhere – likely due to fan backlash, as most Spanish reports suggest. That’s the bigger issue here: not whether Milan want to sell, but whether anyone is still buying.

This is absurd. You stand firm on a price for Musah but fold easily to sell Reijnders?

I’ve decided to buy into @brk 's working theory: When Reijnders renewed his contract, fully knowing we were likely out of the CL race already, there was a gentleman’s agreement in place. If a big club with CL football and a solid offer came knocking, Milan wouldn’t stand in his way and play hardball.

Turns out, that club was City. And because of the CWC, the whole thing had to move fast – which is why it all happened so early in the window.

Honestly, that explanation makes the most sense. Because the alternative, as you rightly pointed out, would be downright absurd.

 

[Master Smurf]

Not disagreeing with your sentiment.... But Morata is probably more talented than both.

Pls don't shoot me Smurf

More talented, maybe. I could even agree to that

But look at the matches played and how he played. Then look at the other two players who are less talented, given less time and I argue they played far better.

Also Morata was fine running for the hills and is a colossal choker practically his entire career. Why return to that in a season where we are trying to turn the page?

We are only in domestic competitions so why waste space and money on such a poor player? Even if we can't get Vlahovic (who I don't like but would accept) I would prefer a new player over a failed one.

 

[grandeacm2]

again, you have proven how incompetent you are about finances and how they work

Don't give me that holier than thou bullshit.
How many times have City broken FFP rules and not gotten punished for it?

 

[Alo88]

Milan must have had a 'gentleman's agreement' before the season ended on his price, and we respected it. City had to come in fast and get a player ready for CWC, so they negotiated with us verbally and wanted a price before others got involved in order not to take the price up, kinda like what Newcastle did with Tonali. When Reijnders had that turn on San Siro with his son on his shoulders at the last match, we probably had already agreed verbally to sell him to City with the price already agreed upon.

We were not in a rush to sell him, but City were in a real rush to buy him, and their negotiation skills ensured they got the price they wanted, while on our side we believe we got the price we wanted. This was obviously done before Tare.




again, you have proven how incompetent you are about finances and how they work

Exactly. Even before that game our forum insider @ACM14061988 , who met him with his family hours before that game, confirmed that his departure was already decided.

 

[vB9]

again, you have proven how incompetent you are about finances and how they work

he's right in a way... there wud be lots&lots of fake&legit sponsors available

 

[grandeacm2]

More talented, maybe. I could even agree to that

But look at the matches played and how he played. Then look at the other two players who are less talented, given less time and I argue they played far better.

Tammy was maybe better, but Jovic fuck no
Apart from that brace vs Inter Jovic didn't have many good matches at all
And it was painful to see Jovic drop back and try to serve Leao or Puli with long balls which Morata would have nailed 8 times out of 10

Morata can come back as a benchwarmer, I for sure rate him over Jovic
No more than that

 

[Samaldinho]

I’ve decided to buy into @brk 's working theory:
When Reijnders renewed his contract, fully knowing we were likely out of the CL race already, there was a gentleman’s agreement in place. If a big club with CL football and a solid offer came knocking, Milan wouldn’t stand in his way and play hardball.

Turns out, that club was City. And because of the CWC, the whole thing had to move fast – which is why it all happened so early in the window.

Honestly, that explanation makes the most sense. Because the alternative, as you rightly pointed out, would be downright absurd.

I don't find that explanation unconvincing, it's probably how it went down. The problem is that the Tonali sale, which had none of those factors present, went down the same way.

Newcastle, who were spending big at the time, at the height of the "anyone who can be played as a DM in FIFA goes for double the normal price" hype, Newcastle got CL, we got CL, we didn't need to sell, Tonali wasn't pushing for a move--and yet... we sold fast, under his value, even at the 70m, in a place where Gravenberch goes 40m after a terrible season (he was bought for 18m by Bayern), and Tonali is young, he's hyped, we just got semi-final of CL, and yet we sold Tonali under-value in the exact same way.

If we are going to become a selling club, we have to sell well. Oh, and not finish in 8th place and do worse than the people we talked trash about for the last few years.

 

[grandeacm2]

he's right in a way... there wud be lots&lots of fake&legit sponsors available

Exactly what I meant.

 

[LemonCookies]

Top clubs selling a top player of theirs is normal. City, Bayern, PSG, they all do it. We used to do it. The only difference is that we're not a top club anymore, or at least not right now. If our whole squad was filled to the brim with quality, then it'd hurt less to see Reijnders go. That he was one of our few stellar players hurts. Tonali's sale hurt more because he was basically an ultra who wanted to be at Milan.

 

[Master Smurf]

Tammy was maybe better, but Jovic fuck no
Apart from that brace vs Inter Jovic didn't have many good matches at all
And it was painful to see Jovic drop back and try to serve Leao or Puli with long balls which Morata would have nailed 8 times out of 10

Morata can come back as a benchwarmer, I for sure rate him over Jovic
No more than that

Why take him as a bench warmer? To what end?

So we can hear about his family drama or why he isn't performing for whatever reason and then in that one moment when you actually need something he fluffs it.

Waste of space. He had his chance.
You don't improve continuing to hope in players that have continuously failed.

 

[Shiby]

They didn't need to balance the books for this financial year--they chose to put things on our books that they didn't need to, like the acquisition of San Donato, for example.

It is next year where the lack of CL revenue impacts the books, so why make a sale for this year? And we're not getting 70m, the base fee is in the 55-57m range with bonuses on top--and after seeing the impact of a Tonali sale trumpeted at 70m plus 10m in earn-outs (directly quoted from Gerry Cardinale) only for our books to reflect 58m, I'm sorry, it's not a good strategy.

But let's say that we did need to balance the books, you just sell your most desired player for a bare-minimum price? The player who is at the peak of his hype?

Was Man City the only place where we could sell Reijnders? Real wouldn't want him? Chelsea? Liverpool? PSG?

You play hardball with the players that have the largest market. What is Musah's market? Napoli and some random link to West Ham?

Tonali and Reijnders sales have both been described as bargains, by pundits and fans alike in England, we sold Tonali for a bargain, without creating a bidding war, for a highly desirable player, and with Tonali we didn't have to balance the books, so why are we rewarding teams for coming in early for in-demand players with cut-price deals?

Are we getting anything out of it?

Im 100% sure that selling deers effects our market. So a quick sale means Allegri gets a complete squad by the start of pre-season. If we wait we just end up without deers and without a squad until august when all our targets are off the market and with their new teams. And for what? A measly 10mil more that we should get for deers?

Anyway I actually think 70mil for Deers is a fair (even if on the lower side of acceptable) price. As for Tonali I stated numerous times that it was a world class sale, especially considering his off the field antics and the ban. Newcastle overpaid. What bargain bullshit are you even talking about

 

[leaf]

This is such a dumb strategy. They should have first sold Musah for 25 mil and Maignan for 20 mil, maybe even Saladmaker or Tomori / Thiaw / Theo. Then they they should have said 90-100 mil for Reindeer or no sale.

Instead they sell the best player super fast, and bargain for more money on the less good players!! Who is the genius behind this strategy?

It's depressing isn't it?

 

[Dena]

 

[brk]

I don't find that explanation unconvincing, it's probably how it went down. The problem is that the Tonali sale, which had none of those factors present, went down the same way.

Newcastle, who were spending big at the time, at the height of the "anyone who can be played as a DM in FIFA goes for double the normal price" hype, Newcastle got CL, we got CL, we didn't need to sell, Tonali wasn't pushing for a move--and yet... we sold fast, under his value, even at the 70m, in a place where Gravenberch goes 40m after a terrible season (he was bought for 18m by Bayern), and Tonali is young, he's hyped, we just got semi-final of CL, and yet we sold Tonali under-value in the exact same way.

If we are going to become a selling club, we have to sell well. Oh, and not finish in 8th place and do worse than the people we talked trash about for the last few years.

 

[nonsonoqui]

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Allegri - Morata

No

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Mario Mandžukić used to work like a dog for allegri. Hope we cant get some Balkan like that.

Shit not buying Dzeko for 17.5 million from wolsburg

Till date my biggest regret.

The one fucking Bosnian player we should have signed

We never did and he was a fucking Milan fan

 

[sheva]

@mods

why shut down World Nose Thread? i have nowhere to post my 9gag crap. dont punish me for WNT!

True

Its the re tard recreation center (myself included)

Sometimes we wish to discuss terrorismo that isn't related to allegri

 

[Soldier_of_god]

So if we have Morata and gimi
Then camarda I guess
Not sure what’s happening with jovic

We will get one more striker then

Vlahovic most likely or I hope kolo muani.

 

[Samaldinho]

So we knew that Tonali was a gambling addict, hence the sale? So it makes the fact we put what? Around 18% of the proceeds in the form of bonuses, that we knew we were going to miss out on because of this knowledge of his gambling?

That makes how we structured the deal, the price, and the speed a smart piece-of-business?

 

[justhope]

The reasons bums like Theo were able to get away with murder, no leadership.
Milan tries to sign leaders (who can still ball) and we're upset?

Why even entertain discussions when all you need to say is "no matter what this mgmt does, I won't approve... but i still have no issue defending losing 200M of players for 0, and finishing 5th after a scudetto" ?

Everyone makes mistakes. Can you not find solace in the fact that mgmt has already owned up to two BIG mistakes, and secured tare and allegri... and are now trying to clean up the lack of leadership that the moron owner thought Zlatan could provide?

shut up edu by shit

 

[Samaldinho]

Im 100% sure that selling deers effects our market. So a quick sale means Allegri gets a complete squad by the start of pre-season. If we wait we just end up without deers and without a squad until august when all our targets are off the market and with their new teams. And for what? A measly 10mil more that we should get for deers?

Anyway I actually think 70mil for Deers is a fair (even if on the lower side of acceptable) price. As for Tonali I stated numerous times that it was a world class sale, especially considering his off the field antics and the ban. Newcastle overpaid. What bargain bullshit are you even talking about

I can't wait to hear that our moves on the market are awaiting the sale of Musah before we can buy Javi or Xhaka or whoever.

News of Tonali's ban didn't come until months into the following season, and we structured the deal with a sizable portion of it being bonuses, how brilliant a deal.

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

 

[Zgontronoman]

If RLC leaves, Milinkovic-Savic should be his replacement. Would fit perfectly in that pragmatic Allegri's style of playing. Im not sure about Xhaka, I don't think he suits us.

SMS is more of a perfect Deers replacement then RLC,
RLC basically has 0 impact on this team, anyone can replace him.