Andrea Pirlo Thread

[Ashish]

So when we had Pirlo playing like shit for 3-4 years , his fan boys used to say he was playing great & the best midfielder in the world.
Now that he is gone , suddenly they are singing a new song that is called "we wasted him for 3-years" which is an implication he wasnt good in those "3-4" years regardless of the reason.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .....

One player whose history excels with every passing day : D

 

[Fiero]

Myth.

We just had no plan B, and he had nowhere to go with it. He's not doing much more with Juventus, other than fact team effectively moves and he can play it off someone if he's pressured.

Sometimes a transfer is what's needed to re-fuel motivation. Remember he was ready to pack for London in 2009 until Berlusconi blocked it.

I'm strictly talking about his attitude. I have no interest in discussing the quality of his performances as it has been discussed probably more than anything else in this forum, and we have all memorized the arguments both pro and against, and pretty much everyone has picked his side long time ago.

He was content to be just a passenger when the team was struggling. Like Ronaldinho. Had no heart. That's the difference between him and the other senatores Ambro, Rino, and Nesta. They had won it all but still fought every game for the team not to struggle. They weren't content with the team suffering. And that's why they've won once again, and in Milan's shirt.

Clarence is a different story. He's in between. Usually content like Pirlo to remain just a passenger, i.e. not take the game by the balls and influence it by himself, but when there's a chance to win something he brings his A game. Take last season for example: He was abysmal early on, and around Feb/March rumors were surfacing that he wasn't going to be offered an extension. Then BAM he hit amazing form to help Milan finish the scudetto job and earn a new contract.

Pirlo no longer had balls with Milan. He would do well if the team was doing well. He would never carry the team when it was struggling and therefore there's no regrets in letting him go.

 

[MilanMB]

all i know is that pirlo's juve wouldn't be anywhere near the scudetto race if it weren't for all our injuries this season.

mvb>pirlo

 

[Senatore_M84]

Sometimes a transfer is what's needed to re-fuel motivation. Remember he was ready to pack for London in 2009 until Berlusconi blocked it.

I'm strictly talking about his attitude. I have no interest in discussing the quality of his performances as it has been discussed probably more than anything else in this forum, and we have all memorized the arguments both pro and against, and pretty much everyone has picked his side long time ago.

He was content to be just a passenger when the team was struggling. Like Ronaldinho. Had no heart. That's the difference between him and the other senatores Ambro, Rino, and Nesta. They had won it all but still fought every game for the team not to struggle. They weren't content with the team suffering. And that's why they've won once again, and in Milan's shirt.

Clarence is a different story. He's in between. Usually content like Pirlo to remain just a passenger, i.e. not take the game by the balls and influence it by himself, but when there's a chance to win something he brings his A game. Take last season for example: He was abysmal early on, and around Feb/March rumors were surfacing that he wasn't going to be offered an extension. Then BAM he hit amazing form to help Milan finish the scudetto job and earn a new contract.

Pirlo no longer had balls with Milan. He would do well if the team was doing well. He would never carry the team when it was struggling and therefore there's no regrets in letting him go.

Disagree.

Think he always had heart. Always a pro.

You're mistaking playing style and heart. Just cause he didn't make noises and grunt lik gattuso... he never did that.

The issue was strictly footballing related. Way too static as a team. too many holes.

 

[Fiero]

all i know is that pirlo's juve wouldn't be anywhere near the scudetto race if it weren't for all our injuries this season.

I kind of hate that excuse. Small dick. It's not like the injuries are Juve's fault. Plus injuries affect everyone.

It is Milan's fault since almost all of the player's injuries are muscle ones, in other words, not caused by opponents. The medics at the club could be to blame, or the club for hiring tons of old players, or Allegri for overworking them in training.

Eitherway it's Milan's fault thus shouldn't be used as an excuse. The team would be leading the scudetto if it didn't drop unnecessary points even with the refs mistakes and all the injuries.

The scudetto was ours to lose and thus we'll only have ourselves to blame if we lose it.

 

[manutd fan]

He wasn't motivated. Couldn't give a single fuck anymore. Fucking Ji-Sung Park man marked him for entire 90 mins and he couldn't even bother to do nothing but jog.

 

[Pedro]

Sometimes a transfer is what's needed to re-fuel motivation. Remember he was ready to pack for London in 2009 until Berlusconi blocked it.

I'm strictly talking about his attitude. I have no interest in discussing the quality of his performances as it has been discussed probably more than anything else in this forum, and we have all memorized the arguments both pro and against, and pretty much everyone has picked his side long time ago.

He was content to be just a passenger when the team was struggling. Like Ronaldinho. Had no heart. That's the difference between him and the other senatores Ambro, Rino, and Nesta. They had won it all but still fought every game for the team not to struggle. They weren't content with the team suffering. And that's why they've won once again, and in Milan's shirt.

Clarence is a different story. He's in between. Usually content like Pirlo to remain just a passenger, i.e. not take the game by the balls and influence it by himself, but when there's a chance to win something he brings his A game. Take last season for example: He was abysmal early on, and around Feb/March rumors were surfacing that he wasn't going to be offered an extension. Then BAM he hit amazing form to help Milan finish the scudetto job and earn a new contract.

Pirlo no longer had balls with Milan. He would do well if the team was doing well. He would never carry the team when it was struggling and therefore there's no regrets in letting him go.

 

[Fiero]

Disagree.

Think he always had heart. Always a pro.

You're mistaking playing style and heart. Just cause he didn't make noises and grunt lik gattuso... he never did that.

The issue was strictly footballing related. Way too static as a team. too many holes.

Ambro and Nesta don't make noises like Rino as well but they've got balls and they fight for the team. I really think Pirlo was just content to do the minimum. When a team is struggling (like Milan 2007-2010), everyone looks up to the seniors to lead the way. A player with Pirlo's experience and seniority should have been giving 120% to get the team out of it's mess.

Gattuso was played in a system that didn't suit him under leonardo and he looked like an idiot with people calling him finished whenever he stepped on the pitch but he always gave 120% and when he sucked, he sucked with dignity. Needless to say he was back to being vital under Allegri and played a major role in re-gaining the scudetto.

Even look at them now. Gattuso was crap vs Chievo and it's obvious he's finished but he ran his heart out and gave his all for the team. Even Nesta and Ambro struggle nowadays but they give their all. Nesta and Ambro couldn't physically cope with barcelona but they still fought with all their heart and came out with their heads held high.

I didn't see that in Pirlo. His heart wasn't in it anymore. He needed a change of atmosphere and he got it at Juventus, and now he has something to prove to Milan which is why there's fire in his belly again.

 

[Fiero]

You disagree or you just remember how pathetic the 4-0 was?

 

[Wild]

He did play fine. We wasted his talent.

He wasn't the problem, the staticness of the squad was...

He did not play fine , maybe in your head he did.
A free & older player like Dhorasso provided much more than him , thats how good he was.
And you guys never said he was "fine"
You considered him as among the best coz again in your head he would have kicked as if ..........
Not only he was playing like shit , he didnt care either.
All he cared was to get paid.
Staying with a team who "wasted his talent" for more than 3-4 years & @ the end leaving for the $.

 

[MilanMB]

I kind of hate that excuse. Small dick. It's not like the injuries are Juve's fault. Plus injuries affect everyone.

It is Milan's fault since almost all of the player's injuries are muscle ones, in other words, not caused by opponents. The medics at the club could be to blame, or the club for hiring tons of old players, or Allegri for overworking them in training.

Eitherway it's Milan's fault thus shouldn't be used as an excuse. The team would be leading the scudetto if it didn't drop unnecessary points even with the refs mistakes and all the injuries.

The scudetto was ours to lose and thus we'll only have ourselves to blame if we lose it.

what are you talking about?

i'm talking about mvb vs pirlo, not milan vs juve.

people seem to think that he's an better anchor than mvb because his team is at top of the table. i just explained why that is not the case.

but i agree with you that the injuries are milan's fault, or just extremely bad luck. come on, these injuries we've been having are fucking ridiculous, juve wouldn't be anywhere near us if we had full strength (like them) in every game.

 

[MilanMB]

seedorf and pirlo are both douchebags who have sucked milan dry the last 4 years of their stay here. and one of them left for our biggest rival when he was done.

milan legend

legend my ass

 

[Wild]

I honestly dont know why are we even discussing this.
MVB > Pirlo , fact.
So having him as an anchor instead of Boss is bad.
Having him as a LM next to Boom is also bad.
Not having him is the best for Milan.

And m84 saying Milan was static so Pirlo wasnt excelling is idiotic.
Pirlo was the reason why we were static.
As soon as he left we were more fluid & faster despite having lesser players.

 

[Sage]

So when we had Pirlo playing like shit for 3-4 years , his fan boys used to say he was playing great & the best midfielder in the world.
Now that he is gone , suddenly they are singing a new song that is called "we wasted him for 3-years" which is an implication he wasnt good in those "3-4" years regardless of the reason.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .....

all i know is that pirlo's juve wouldn't be anywhere near the scudetto race if it weren't for all our injuries this season.

mvb>pirlo

He did not play fine , maybe in your head he did.
A free & older player like Dhorasso provided much more than him , thats how good he was.
And you guys never said he was "fine"
You considered him as among the best coz again in your head he would have kicked as if ..........
Not only he was playing like shit , he didnt care either.
All he cared was to get paid.
Staying with a team who "wasted his talent" for more than 3-4 years & @ the end leaving for the $.

what are you talking about?

i'm talking about mvb vs pirlo, not milan vs juve.

people seem to think that he's an better anchor than mvb because his team is at top of the table. i just explained why that is not the case.

but i agree with you that the injuries are milan's fault, or just extremely bad luck. come on, these injuries we've been having are fucking ridiculous, juve wouldn't be anywhere near us if we had full strength (like them) in every game.

seedorf and pirlo are both douchebags who have sucked milan dry the last 4 years of their stay here. and one of them left for our biggest rival when he was done.

milan legend

legend my ass

I honestly dont know why are we even discussing this.
MVB > Pirlo , fact.

And m84 saying Milan was static so Pirlo wasnt excelling is idiotic.
Pirlo was the reason why we were static.
As soon as he left we were more fluid & faster despite having lesser players.

 

[hdcantona]

I don't think it's fair to see he had no heart in his last few years, I agree he wasn't as motivated as now - but look how hard he worked in that Madrid game, he defended astoundingly well for someone in his position - his playing style can't help the perception of how much heart he has either.

Equally though, I don't think it's fair to say he was as motivated and the only reason he was playing like this was personnel around - I do agree that the main reason he's playing this much better is the players around him and the tactics, but not all.

 

[Ashish]

piece of shit still wanted 6 million per year contract for another three years.. fuck off if only he had half the heart of zanetti or ambrosini

I am very very happy that he is not with us ... why jube is winning.. buffon ladri just pulled out a sure shot goal from the net ... calciopolli is back I am waiting and praying for moratti to pull the trigger again .. then pirlo will go to roma

Italian quadruple

 

[manutd fan]

You disagree or you just remember how pathetic the 4-0 was?

I agree, but it wasn't just the 4-0 in fairness. If you remember the first leg started with Milan dominating (mainly thanks to Roandinho), then Antonini went off and Park moved into the middle to man mark Pirlo (and SAF put Fletcher on the left), and from about the 30th minute to the 80th minute United completely outplayed Milan, it became like a training session until Seedorf came on and changed the game.

From a neutrals POV I think both sides are right. Pirlo was in poor form by his standards and probably lacked the motivation he had a few years earlier, but playing with static players ahead of him was the biggest issue.

 

[Sage]

piece of shit still wanted 6 million per year contract for another three years.. fuck off if only he had half the heart of zanetti or ambrosini

I am very very happy that he is not with us ... why jube is winning.. buffon ladri just pulled out a sure shot goal from the net ... calciopolli is back I am waiting and praying for moratti to pull the trigger again .. then pirlo will go to roma

Italian quadruple

I think people here really underestimate juventus when they say pirlo is the sole reason why they're challenging.

the main reasons they're challenging is because they have a very good system, no injuries and less fixtures.

I'm 100% sure that if they didn't sign pirlo, they would have signed another creative CM or signed an actual anchor which would give vidal/marchisio more liberty.

the only regret is that Milan didn't sell him when chelsea wanted him or when he was still "hot" in the market.

 

[Costanza]

After watching Juve-Lazio game carefully, you could say that without this asshole Juve would be even worse than Napoli.

They just have too many dynamic players that run and run and run, sometimes up to 4 of them stand on offside line waiting for a Pirlo pass, and they won't get countered because again they run and run and run, or commit a small foul in the middle of the pitch.

They'll get fucked in CL next season. I don't say that because I hate them, but because of how they play. Arsenal or Man U will rip them apart.

 

[manutd fan]

After watching Juve-Lazio game carefully, you could say that without this asshole Juve would be even worse than Napoli.

They just have too many dynamic players that run and run and run, sometimes up to 4 of them stand on offside line waiting for a Pirlo pass, and they won't get countered because again they run and run and run, or commit a small foul in the middle of the pitch.

They'll get fucked in CL next season. I don't say that because I hate them, but because of how they play. Arsenal or Man U will rip them apart.

Juve's first 11 is arguably as good as Uniteds + probably better than Arsenals tbh. Their biggest problem will be when they have 3 must win games within 7 days + a handful of injuries on top.

 

[Ashish]

I some time wonder how i came to hate this dude this much

for the sake of the thread let us win the scudetto

 

[Sage]

Juve's first 11 is arguably as good as Uniteds + probably better than Arsenals tbh.

haha, no.


you're better than them in every single position bar RB and GK.


juve have a better defence + GK than arsenal, but in midfield + attack is where arsenal beat them.

 

[luke07]

ladri will be in 3rd/4th pot next ucl

group of hell?

nah they will get the easiest group, it's platini....

 

[Costanza]

Juve's first 11 is arguably as good as Uniteds + probably better than Arsenals tbh. Their biggest problem will be when they have 3 must win games within 7 days + a handful of injuries on top.

Juve is a one trick pony, unlike Man U and Arsenal.

Maybe they become more versatile next season, but I highly doubt it will be as effective as this season.

 

[Wild]

And a question for our newest "we wasted him since Milan was static" gang.
If we were his problem not the other way around then how come the same static team used to play with more fluidity , movement & speed anytime Pirlo was out ?

 

[Maestro21]

The content in this thread is ridiculous to say the least.

You can't compare MVBommel to Pirlo. COMPLETELY different players and have opposite strengths and objectives in team play. One is a deep play-maker. Van bommel is a destroyer who is more defensive minded and much stronger on the ball than Pirlo is.

Pirlo simply didn't fit Allegri's type of play. Static team? No Waste? No. Out of his comfortable position/ role in the team? Yes.
Some like Pirlo, some don't.
The facts: Pirlo spent a decade here at Milan. He's won nearly every trophy there is to be won bar Balon D'Or. He is at Ladri, which are our rivals but quit being bad sports. A tight competition for Scudetto is what makes the Serie A worth watching. Yes, it is frustrating to see him and Ladri thrive, but saying that is time here was worthless and that he is a bad player is really low. I despise him at Ladri but regardless he is still a great player- perhaps the best midfielder to ever play the game.

Same goes to Seedorf. Seedorf saved our asses last year near the end of the Scudetto race. Whoever calls Seedorf a waste/leech/bad player should never bother watching Milan again. By no means is Seedorf my favorite player, but it's still an insult to the fan-base and to the club itself.

 

[MonsterKane]

perhaps the best midfielder to ever play the game.

What?

 

[Maestro21]

What?

Probably the best midfielder to ever play the game. Won every major trophy. He would've won man of the world cup in 2006 if Cannavaro wasn't berlin wall . Xavi and Pirlo are considered the greatest for modern football. Regardless that he is part of Ladri scum, he is still one of the top. Don't act like the ridiculous others who bash him as a player. In Bagnoli napoli and Gessate Milan where my family reside, Pirlo is a hero even to the ultras of Milan fans regardless if he is on Ladri now.

 

[MonsterKane]

Probably the best midfielder to ever play the game. Won every major trophy. He would've won man of the world cup in 2006 if Cannavaro wasn't berlin wall . Xavi and Pirlo are considered the greatest for modern football.

Having won every major trophy doesn't make you the best midfielder of all time. Pirlo had great players around him in every team he played and as soon as Milan and Italy had started to struggle, Pirlo struggled as well. Pirlo was/is a world-class player, I don't deny that, but to call him the best midfielder ever is bullshit.

Do you know Krassimir Balakov? (retired Bulgarian playmaker for Sporting Lisbon and Stuttgart)
That guy never won a CL or something really big, but he carried every fucking team he played in nearly all on his own, even when he was 36 years old. I say he was stronger individually than Pirlo.
(Inter and other big clubs wanted him, but he didn't want to leave Germany in the last years of his playing career, his family loved it here and he had a huge salary)

 

[Maestro21]

Having won every major trophy doesn't make you the best midfielder of all time. Pirlo had great players around him in every team he played and as soon as Milan and Italy had started to struggle, Pirlo struggled as well. Pirlo was/is a world-class player, I don't deny that, but to call him the best midfielder ever is bullshit.

Do you know Krassimir Balakov? (retired Bulgarian playmaker for Sporting Lisbon and Stuttgart)
That guy never won a CL or something really big, but he carried every fucking team he played in nearly all on his own, even when he was 36 years old. I say he was stronger individually than Pirlo.
(Inter and other big clubs wanted him, but he didn't want to leave Germany in the last years of his playing career, his family loved it here and he had a huge salary)

Not to argue, but winning is a team effort which one player can't do on his own. To say the struggles of Milan or Italy were Pirlo's fault, and to say that Pirlo was supposed to mend the "Beckham and Dinho" age in which nearly every Milan player struggled is quite ridiculous. You're right, winning every trophy doesn't make you the best player of all team- as in the case of Baggio and Ibrahimovic of course. But, being a deciding factor in nearly every competition surely does. Look at the World Cup 2006, even with Pirlo, Italy were the underdogs in the entire competition (look at Brazil, France, Germany all were favored higher than Italy at the start of the competition) but some brilliance from Pirlo and the others helped them lift the trophy despite it. In 2007 CL for Milan, the same can be said. Why is Xavi (even though we all hate Barca) considered the greatest to some as well? He was also a deciding factor in the competitions for Spain and Barca, similarly to Pirlo.