Antonio Nocerino Thread

[Goodfella]

Agree that better players than Nocerino will improve the team but I think they are not easy to find ... otherwise we wouldn't have signed Traore and resigned Flamini last year.

Poli, Muntari and Nocerino were in the last year of contract which is why they were cheap. If a player is better and more versatile he will cost over 10mill in at least 75% of the cases (this is true especially if they're young).
Muntari is better defensively and worse offensively and imo he's not more versatile than Nocerino (time will tell how versatile Poli is, though I've my doubts how good he is offensively)

They're not easy to find, but not very difficult either. Take Roma for instance. They got Bradley for €3.75m on €0.8m a year in wages. A player superior to Noce and Traore and not unreliable like Muntari. All this while having Strootman, De Rossi, Pjanic, Florenzi etc.

For my 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 dream we already have those backups: Poli, Muntari and Cristante, with Saponara and the imminent new signing Honda available for a CAM/CM hybrid role(an alternative to the current Noce-role).

Muntari can win the ball back, is okay at anchoring the midfield and scores from longe rangers and typical Nocegoals. Noce is just a goal poaching runner, unless it's against very weak, decimated opposition.

I can't believe you're actually defending the Traore transfer. Nothing excuses that. It's not like the roster was dying for another mediocre or worse than mediocre midfielder, despite the(or especially b/c of the) overhaul. If G was fearing another enormous midfield injury crisis like the 11/12 season, then how about temporarily using another formation that doesn't require four midfielders, which we even did, despite this.

 

[Lionheart]

Everytime I think of Nocerino, I think of this:

 

[jon]

didn't he have like 10 goals a few seasons back?

 

[Ash]

didn't he have like 10 goals a few seasons back?

ye

with Ibra holding his hand

 

[Ender]

Everytime I think of Nocerino, I think of this:

Does that make you think of Mexes also ... he was caught off position and left De Sciglio marking two Inter players.

 

[Lionheart]

Does that make you think of Mexes also ... he was caught off position and left De Sciglio marking two Inter players.

You can try to blame Mexes for that goal but it wouldn't have happened if Nocerino just stayed with the player crossing the ball into the box (I think it was Nagatomo iirc).

Mexes was out of position but it's hard to predict what a player would do from the crosser's position. He could've shot, crossed, or passed it in.

 

[Naraku]

They're not easy to find, but not very difficult either. Take Roma for instance. They got Bradley for €3.75m on €0.8m a year in wages. A player superior to Noce and Traore and not unreliable like Muntari. All this while having Strootman, De Rossi, Pjanic, Florenzi etc.

Funny I was watching Roma's match vs Chelsea and thought they have one of the best midfields right now,if they keep DDR(i think they will) he and Strootman could be a lethal 1-2 combo.

I liked Bradley when he was at Chievo,oh well.

All we have is NDJ and Monty and hope in Poli and Cristane and as you mentioned an unreliable Muntari too boot.

 

[Regelto]

De Jong is a world class player, Montolivo has bags of quality, but has too many poor games where he just seems to be ineffective. Hopefully that changes this season, Poli will be a fantastic acquisition. Muntari is decent, never does enough for people to notice him have a good game though. Nocerino is alright, doesn't do much good now though, has his good spots though like every player.
Cristante needs a lot more playing time to settle into a high calibre of football. Can't just throw him in against Juventus in the middle of the season and say go win us the game. Needs time to grow.

 

[Az.]

De Jong is a world class player, Montolivo has bags of quality, but has too many poor games where he just seems to be ineffective. Hopefully that changes this season, Poli will be a fantastic acquisition. Muntari is decent, never does enough for people to notice him have a good game though. Nocerino is alright, doesn't do much good now though, has his good spots though like every player.
Cristante needs a lot more playing time to settle into a high calibre of football. Can't just throw him in against Juventus in the middle of the season and say go win us the game. Needs time to grow.

De Jong is at the same quality as is Montolivo, good but not world class.There`s only one player in our whole squad who holds that title, his name is Balotelli.

 

[Regelto]

I disagree, I think De Jong is a world class player in his role. Montolivo plays a different role, he is good at his role though no doubt about it.

Don't think there's too many better than De Jong at what he does.

 

[Ender]

You can try to blame Mexes for that goal but it wouldn't have happened if Nocerino just stayed with the player crossing the ball into the box (I think it was Nagatomo iirc).

Mexes was out of position but it's hard to predict what a player would do from the crosser's position. He could've shot, crossed, or passed it in.

I don't have to try, I do blame Mexes for that goal (and Nocerino as well). Both of them were at fault. If Mexes stayed with his player, he might have intercepted the ball or disturb Schelotto enough to make him miss. In the way that he positioned himself, he made it very easy for Nagatomo to cross since he didn't have to be too precise, all he had to do was scoop the ball over Mexes.
And no, Nagatomo couldn't shoot or pass because there was nobody to pass and Zapata was between Nagatomo and the goal, but I guess any excuse will do if both your eyes are closed.

The problem is that people get fixated on the errors on one player and magically forget the errors of another.

 

[LemonCookies]

I don't have to try, I do blame Mexes for that goal (and Nocerino as well). Both of them were at fault. If Mexes stayed with his player, he might have intercepted the ball or disturb Schelotto enough to make him miss. In the way that he positioned himself, he made it very easy for Nagatomo to cross since he didn't have to be too precise, all he had to do was scoop the ball over Mexes.
And no, Nagatomo couldn't shoot or pass because there was nobody to pass and Zapata was between Nagatomo and the goal, but I guess any excuse will do if both your eyes are closed.

The problem is that people get fixated on the errors on one player and magically forget the errors of another.

Nocerino has been and probably forever will be a scapegoat while he's on Milan's roster. However, his performances could always be better so as to turn a few heads away from hating him.

 

[Lionheart]

I don't have to try, I do blame Mexes for that goal (and Nocerino as well). Both of them were at fault. If Mexes stayed with his player, he might have intercepted the ball or disturb Schelotto enough to make him miss. In the way that he positioned himself, he made it very easy for Nagatomo to cross since he didn't have to be too precise, all he had to do was scoop the ball over Mexes.
And no, Nagatomo couldn't shoot or pass because there was nobody to pass and Zapata was between Nagatomo and the goal, but I guess any excuse will do if both your eyes are closed.

The problem is that people get fixated on the errors on one player and magically forget the errors of another.

So, you're saying Nocerino couldn't close Nagatomo down and prevent him from crossing it in instead of backing off?

 

[Ender]

So, you're saying Nocerino couldn't close Nagatomo down and prevent him from crossing it in instead of backing off?

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Lionheart]

Thank you for proving my point.

In other words, I was right and you were wrong.

 

[LemonCookies]

In other words, I was right and you were wrong.

 

[Curupira]

I thought this guy was linked to be out...no offers any more after the failed Panenka?

 

[Naraku]

Everyone has seen how shit he has been this pre-season,so it seems that not even Mazzari or Napoli want him now,though I am guessing Napoli wanted him because of Mazzari!?

 

[milan88]

#22
#8
#23

 

[JohnnyWunderboy]

#22
#8
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2014/2015: #3

2015/2016: #6

 

[Burlesqoni]

#22
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Only logical he'd get the #10 some day.

 

[milan88]

2014/2015: #3

2015/2016: #6

 

[Ender]

Apparently as part of the training there was some running upwards in the forest today. The fastest player was Nocerino, followed by El Shaarawy and Niang. I doubt he's truly the fastest, but the effort is there....

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTEyMDI1MQ

 

[LemonCookies]

Nocerino's almost always first when running distance, on and off the field. It's his awareness and decision making on field that is usually piss poor.

 

[Ender]

Nocerino's almost always first when running distance, on and off the field. It's his awareness and decision making on field that is usually piss poor.

Well, that's why it's usually better to have some other players that have good awareness and decision making. And unfortunately so far the only distinguished member with such skills is Montolivo.
I hope Honda comes before January ... otherwise both Boateng and Nocerino would really be at a disadvantage and they'd be hoping that either Balotelli, El Sha, Niang step up their playmaking, or that Robinho and Saponara become more than overhyped backups until January.

 

[Goodfella]

Nocerino's almost always first when running distance, on and off the field. It's his awareness and decision making on field that is usually piss poor.

Well, that's why it's usually better to have some other players that have good awareness and decision making. And unfortunately so far the only distinguished member with such skills is Montolivo.
I hope Honda comes before January ... otherwise both Boateng and Nocerino would really be at a disadvantage and they'd be hoping that either Balotelli, El Sha, Niang step up their playmaking, or that Robinho and Saponara become more than overhyped backups until January.

Not even FodderCookies is as extreme as you.

Face it, Nocerino is not Milan-material, unless you want us to remain being flattrack-bullies in Serie A or worse.

 

[Ender]

Not even FodderCookies is as extreme as you.

Face it, Nocerino is not Milan-material, unless you want us to remain being flattrack-bullies in Serie A or worse.

It might be that I might overrate Nocerino. However I believe that he would be useful in certain positions and a few things push me in this direction
-a- I think every team needs to have soldiers, players that are not as strong technically but that leave everything on the field.
-b- He played for the Italian National team. I mean if Prandelli gets him as one of the final 23, or if Mazarri wants him in the team ... I think they see something in him, something that a lot of people forget that he has the moment that they hear "Noce fodder"

 

[LemonCookies]

Arguing that Noce's still shit, but not as shit as some say, is dumb. I guess this is what I used to do, so I ended up not saying anything because arguing with Goodfella is like arguing with a fence.

Nocerino's been really poor, so defending one or two passes, a tackle, shouldn't make anyone say, "he's not that bad." He needs to be consistent in his footballing. All he's consistent in doing now is making dumb ass off the ball runs that no one can service. So, why does he still do them?...?...hmmmm.

 

[Ender]

Arguing that Noce's still shit, but not as shit as some say, is dumb. I guess this is what I used to do, so I ended up not saying anything because arguing with Goodfella is like arguing with a fence.

Nocerino's been really poor, so defending one or two passes, a tackle, shouldn't make anyone say, "he's not that bad." He needs to be consistent in his footballing. All he's consistent in doing now is making dumb ass off the ball runs that no one can service. So, why does he still do them?...?...hmmmm.

Weren't there games where you felt like Ibra was just trolling on the field, or Seedorf ... all players play bad games. Anyways, point taken... I'll stay quiet ... time will tell.

 

[LemonCookies]

Weren't there games where you felt like Ibra was just trolling on the field, or Seedorf ... all players play bad games. Anyways, point taken... I'll stay quiet ... time will tell.

I'm not telling you to shut up, but when you see troll posts against Noce, nothing will change anybody's mind. It is sad to see a midfield unable to function without a creative force. Only forwards should complain about that lack.