Antonio Nocerino Thread

[Goodfella]

Noce why you make me feel silly?

You made yourself feel silly by not being able to see what was obvious from day one: he's mediocre but was lucky enough to be part of a system that spoiled box-to-box midfielders with scoring chances.

 

[jon]

why do you guys hate Pirlo so much?

he talked a ton of sh** on milan in his autobiography

 

[Xelcuk]

Worst Milan midfielder ever.

 

[jon]

Worst Milan midfielder ever.

sadly, this is untrue

 

[Naraku]

Each time I see this thread 'bumped' I am hoping it's to announce his departure from Milan.

 

[Youth]

If he is second sub or max first sub it is still OK but it has to be compromised with quality players around him. If we got Monto and a quality CM in midfield plus quality CAM for trequartista then Nocerino might be useful in the formation as sub.

He is not that bad, he needs quality players around him to cover his weakness and so that Milan benefit much from his ability.

 

[damn]

still the best 500k signing milan have ever made.

for that one year he was great.

 

[DeNiro]

cant stand the guy, fuckin useless headless chicken cunt

 

[dilllb]

"Very talented midfielder."

"Milan's a very good team if they can bench a player like Nocerino."

 

[Ender]

Nocerino is not a bad midfielder however he doesn't play well in a 4-3-3, where the attack area is already crowded. With a player like Honda that can drop deep and put a through ball, he'd be a lot more useful.

The only reason why we might wanna sell Nocerino and/or Boateng is to buy a more creative midfielder which we currently need ... dunno, Eriksen maybe

 

[Goodfella]

Nocerino is not a bad midfielder however he doesn't play well in a 4-3-3, where the attack area is already crowded.

Nonsense. There's a lot more factors involved than official formation on paper.
There are few and sometimes no difference between our 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2 and 4-3-2-1, depending on the players we use. It's "4-3-let's see what happens" as Allegri described it. Noce wasn't doing well in "4-3-1-2" either when he wasn't scoring. He got into scoring chances regularly, but that was mainly due to Ibra, Binho and Cassano staying outside of the box setting up the midfielders with chances and forcing them to make up for their lack of box-presence, which is always the case if you start 2+ of them and no pure CF no matter the formation on paper(at times it was a 4-3-3). Noce started scoring and getting into scoring chances regularly again last season right when Binho returned from the injury and was getting consecutive starts, which we then had to give up during the Roma away game when it was undeniable even to stubborn ass Allegri that it had gone too far, the big demand for it wasn't there anymore without Ibra+Cassano and we can't have a midfielder abandoning his midfield tasks(or being useless at it) and doing many more forward runs than necessary while not scoring frequently enough.

With a player like Honda that can drop deep and put a through ball, he'd be a lot more useful.

Having a box-to-box midfielder who isn't average or below average at midfield tasks, i.e. not Noce, would be a lot more useful, even if Ibra, Cassano, "deep attack" and 4-3-1-2 were to come back. Those aren't hard to find or unaffordable, even for backup. It's not like Noce has a unique or special goal scoring talent. All our runners scored or got into scoring chances regularly when they were playing in a similar role to him(Muntari, Flamini, Boateng, hell even Traore despite no Ibra or Cassano). It's just that everything wasn't set up for them as perfectly and/or for as long time as it did for Noce in the 11-12 season. Noce's shortcomings still hurt us badly even when he was scoring, because besides it he wasn't doing much else other than running back and forth, losing and not recovering balls. Now why on Earth would you make up excuses to get this back?

 

[jammin]

"Very talented midfielder."

Nocenka's new description.

 

[asd]

Just watched the Chelsea game, GTFO has been invisible in every fucking friendly.

 

[necromancer]

"Very talented midfielder."

"Milan's a very good team if they can bench a player like Nocerino."

Who said this?

 

[dilllb]

Who said this?

One of the guys from Fox. Best commentator ever.

 

[Senatore_M84]

pre season all star

 

[Naraku]

I can't believe how invisible this guy has been even in friendlies!I really will be surprised if any club wants this guy.Unless he's part of a package I really think we're stuck with him.

 

[Ender]

Nonsense. There's a lot more factors involved than official formation on paper.
There are few and sometimes no difference between our 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2 and 4-3-2-1, depending on the players we use. It's "4-3-let's see what happens" as Allegri described it. Noce wasn't doing well in "4-3-1-2" either when he wasn't scoring. He got into scoring chances regularly, but that was mainly due to Ibra, Binho and Cassano staying outside of the box setting up the midfielders with chances and forcing them to make up for their lack of box-presence, which is always the case if you start 2+ of them and no pure CF no matter the formation on paper(at times it was a 4-3-3). Noce started scoring and getting into scoring chances regularly again last season right when Binho returned from the injury and was getting consecutive starts, which we then had to give up during the Roma away game when it was undeniable even to stubborn ass Allegri that it had gone too far, the big demand for it wasn't there anymore without Ibra+Cassano and we can't have a midfielder abandoning his midfield tasks(or being useless at it) and doing many more forward runs than necessary while not scoring frequently enough.



Having a box-to-box midfielder who isn't average or below average at midfield tasks, i.e. not Noce, would be a lot more useful, even if Ibra, Cassano, "deep attack" and 4-3-1-2 were to come back. Those aren't hard to find or unaffordable, even for backup. It's not like Noce has a unique or special goal scoring talent. All our runners scored or got into scoring chances regularly when they were playing in a similar role to him(Muntari, Flamini, Boateng, hell even Traore despite no Ibra or Cassano). It's just that everything wasn't set up for them as perfectly and/or for as long time as it did for Noce in the 11-12 season. Noce's shortcomings still hurt us badly even when he was scoring, because besides it he wasn't doing much else other than running back and forth, losing and not recovering balls. Now why on Earth would you make up excuses to get this back?

Agree with part of it, however I still think that you and other people give Nocerino less credit than what he's due.
Yes, he's not the best defensive (tackle, positioning), but I think he has good qualities offensively.
Yes, he didn't play well last year and his defensive shortcomings were made even more obvious by our shaky defense (first half) ... Plus we had in the team other players not good defensively and/or with low work-rate like Robinho, Bojan, Pato (even Boateng in quite a few games). Add to this lack of through balls that limited his incursions and you can see why he didn't have a spot in that team.
Instead quite a few games in the second half Allegri opted for a more defensive-minded midfield (with Ambrosini and/or Muntari), with Boateng given less defensive duties as a winger. Also Flamini was more motivated after injury (looking for new contract) and more fresh mentally.

Is he a great player? Probably not. However he gets a backup midfielder's salary and for a backup he's done great. Comparing him with Montolivo or De Jong who have much higher salaries is not fair. Bonera had a higher salary than him. Taiwo had a higher salary than him. Boateng has cost us at least 10 mill to buy and gets almost double his salary ... Mexes has almost triple his salary.

Yes, he had a great season in 2011-12 but asking him to make 10 goals every year or to be the game-changer is short-sighted at best.

 

[Ender]

pre season all star

Definitely one of the most consistent in the pre-season imo

I can't believe how invisible this guy has been even in friendlies!I really will be surprised if any club wants this guy.Unless he's part of a package I really think we're stuck with him.

Sorry, I think you're mistaken ... though he needs to have more creative players around him to give his best.

 

[Raz]

Definitely one of the most consistent in the pre-season imo

Most consistently shit!

 

[Mario]

This is slowly turning into another Bonera case.. People will hate on him even if he plays well.
He was good vs Galaxy. He made great runs, made a few nice passes, he was pressing the opponents, worked hard.. what else do you expect him to do? He won't turn into Pirlo overnight and be the play maker of the team.
He did his job well this pre season, an improvement over last that's for sure.

 

[Raz]

Bonera at least had some good games last season. Nocerino didn't have a single good game. I watched every single one of them. In every single game he was shit. Every player on our team last season had a good game here and there, even Boateng, and I hate him more than Nocerino, but Nocerino didn't have a single good game. That's a fact. And I know this isn't saying much, but if you look at whoscored stats, he is the only player in our starting XI last season that was rated below 7.00. And by a big margin too.

 

[Mario]

I'm talking about this pre season though

 

[Raz]

I'm talking about this pre season though

He did nothing in pre season. His only decent game was vs Galaxy, and he didn't make a single tackle, and even Traore put him to shame when he came on. He was invisible in all the other games, like usual.

 

[Ender]

Most consistently shit!

I hope that it's obvious to you that with such remarks you wont change my mind or prove a point

 

[Raz]

I hope that it's obvious to you that with such remarks you wont change my mind or prove a point

I don't care about your mind, nor am I trying to prove a point to you because you're obviously a ******.

 

[Goodfella]

Agree with part of it, however I still think that you and other people give Nocerino less credit than what he's due.
Yes, he's not the best defensive (tackle, positioning), but I think he has good qualities offensively.
Yes, he didn't play well last year and his defensive shortcomings were made even more obvious by our shaky defense (first half) ... Plus we had in the team other players not good defensively and/or with low work-rate like Robinho, Bojan, Pato (even Boateng in quite a few games). Add to this lack of through balls that limited his incursions and you can see why he didn't have a spot in that team.
Instead quite a few games in the second half Allegri opted for a more defensive-minded midfield (with Ambrosini and/or Muntari), with Boateng given less defensive duties as a winger. Also Flamini was more motivated after injury (looking for new contract) and more fresh mentally.

Is he a great player? Probably not. However he gets a backup midfielder's salary and for a backup he's done great. Comparing him with Montolivo or De Jong who have much higher salaries is not fair. Bonera had a higher salary than him. Taiwo had a higher salary than him. Boateng has cost us at least 10 mill to buy and gets almost double his salary ... Mexes has almost triple his salary.

Yes, he had a great season in 2011-12 but asking him to make 10 goals every year or to be the game-changer is short-sighted at best.

I don't think he's completely useless - he can be pretty good when given space and time and his stamina can be very useful at times. But if we want to improve then we need better and more versatile backups than him who also can fit into double pivot systems. Those aren't very difficult to find or necessarily more expensive to have on the bench(Poli, Muntari etc)

 

[Ender]

I don't think he's completely useless - he can be pretty good when given space and time and his stamina can be very useful at times. But if we want to improve then we need better and more versatile backups than him who also can fit into double pivot systems. Those aren't very difficult to find or necessarily more expensive to have on the bench(Poli, Muntari etc)

Agree that better players than Nocerino will improve the team but I think they are not easy to find ... otherwise we wouldn't have signed Traore and resigned Flamini last year.

Poli, Muntari and Nocerino were in the last year of contract which is why they were cheap. If a player is better and more versatile he will cost over 10mill in at least 75% of the cases (this is true especially if they're young).
Muntari is better defensively and worse offensively and imo he's not more versatile than Nocerino (time will tell how versatile Poli is, though I've my doubts how good he is offensively)

 

[Ender]

I don't care about your mind, nor am I trying to prove a point to you because you're obviously a ******.

Well then stop replying to me, ******

 

[jon]

Agree that better players than Nocerino will improve the team but I think they are not easy to find ... otherwise we wouldn't have signed Traore and resigned Flamini last year.

Poli, Muntari and Nocerino were in the last year of contract which is why they were cheap. If a player is better and more versatile he will cost over 10mill in at least 75% of the cases (this is true especially if they're young).
Muntari is better defensively and worse offensively and imo he's not more versatile than Nocerino (time will tell how versatile Poli is, though I've my doubts how good he is offensively)

poli has showed some promise with the assist to balo and the skills on the ball he has shown but yeah i agree