Coppa Italia: Catania (1) - Milan (1) [16/01/2008]

[Weahzly]

what game were you watching?

Milan - Catalunia at coppa italia mate... didn't you see the thread title?

 

[bobanito]

This is getting interesting

 

[Centre]

Milan - Catalunia at coppa italia mate... didn't you see the thread title?

Ok... but most of the players that you listed didnt play last night so i dont understand how they were above average???

Am I missing something?

 

[menon_inc]

And how good Pirlo was ?

Pirlo plays week in week out because we do not have a player with his characteristic in the squad. Pirlo was also a sub to Rui Costa in his first season and failed to take over Rui's role. He was later tried in a different position and made that spot his own. In other words, he failed to kick Rui Costa out of the team and had to adapt to playing in a different position.

Gourcuff came in and failed to kick Seedorf out of the team. He was tried in other positions like on the right of midfield and center of midfield and failed to impress. Until now, the only good game he had was againts AEK.

Its hard to win a spot in the team but once you do, its going to take a helluva effort to kick you out of it. We have seen with the Pirlo example, Kaka example and now the Pato example that if you are young and good, you get your chance. Unfortunetly, that has not been the case with Gou. I do hope, that will change in the future and he will improve but i have so far failed to see any sign of that happening.

 

[crazy4milan]

Milan - Catalunia at coppa italia mate... didn't you see the thread title?

Actually it was Catania (a little more to the east + south of Catalunia).

Geez Juve fans must be raving cause their first string team got the exact same result as our second string against Catania.

BTW, I said it seemed like Gourcuff had a good game (judging by highlights it still seems so), cause I didn't watch it.

 

[jpick]

what game were you watching?

lol, yeah, and the guys who did play that he listed, like emerson and favalli sucked. favalli gifted them the chance that led to the strike against the post with some amateurish defending, basically was the best "assist" of the night. Laughable how people still want to take shots at pirlo, as if he is even in competition with gourcuff anyways, plus in the first half, even on a bland night vastly outplayed gourcuff (not saying much btw). i fact, only cafu, pirlo, gila, brocchi and maybe yes, digao, even looked like competent professionals in the first half, even if nobody played their best. the rest looked like rank amateurs, and we were lucky to only be down 1-0 tbh.

 

[Centre]

lol, yeah, and the guys who did play that he listed, like emerson and favalli sucked. favalli gifted them the chance that led to the strike against the post with some amateurish defending, basically was the best "assist" of the night. Laughable how people still want to take shots at pirlo, as if he is even in competition with gourcuff anyways, plus in the first half, even on a bland night vastly outplayed gourcuff (not saying much btw). i fact, only cafu, pirlo, gila, brocchi and maybe even yes, digao even liked like competent professionals in the first half, even if nobody played their best. the rest looked like rank amateurs, and we were lucky to only be down 1-0 tbh.

haha.. ya...

 

[crazy4milan]

i fact, only cafu, pirlo, gila, brocchi and maybe even yes, digao even liked like competent professionals in the first half

Not the first non bad comment on Digao I have read, so how was his game this time around?

 

[Besfort]

Not the first non bad comment on Digao I have read, so how was his game this time around?

Reminded me Beckenbauer.

 

[jpick]

Not the first non bad comment on Digao I have read, so how was his game this time around?

last game he looked like a serie c2 defender, this game i felt maybe he could make a decent career at mid-table serie b team, so much better than last game.

honestly, in the first half, if gourcuff had done what pirlo did (multiple flicks one of which directly led to gila's shot, which was the best chance of the first half, then he had couple of nice shots, made some good decisions like usual when to spread play, drew some fouls, and was about 1-yard off on a 50-meter diagonal ball to cafu, while making very few mistakes) some people would be going nuts over him, but since it's pirlo, let's take out time to bash him . plus he only played a half and this is a coppa game, so the people who we should really be focusing on are the back-ups and youngsters, as these are the games where they can prove themselves.

yet when someone mentions gourcuff didn't do well (and that is being kind), people rush to make excuses bashing ancelotti and bringing pirlo or gattuso into the discussion, then accuse others of being biased or obsessed with these players.

oh, and heaven forbid for the udinese game ancelotti plays emerson in the distributing role with pirlo suspended. unless ka-pa-ro and seedorf and the others are on great form, emerson's passing was pretty bad. really bad actually. i would rather play ambrosini and gattuso together in front of the defense rather than emerson.

Reminded me Beckenbauer.

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

lol, yeah, and the guys who did play that he listed, like emerson and favalli sucked. favalli gifted them the chance that led to the strike against the post with some amateurish defending, basically was the best "assist" of the night. Laughable how people still want to take shots at pirlo, as if he is even in competition with gourcuff anyways, plus in the first half, even on a bland night vastly outplayed gourcuff (not saying much btw). i fact, only cafu, pirlo, gila, brocchi and maybe even yes, digao even liked like competent professionals in the first half, even if nobody played their best. the rest looked like rank amateurs, and we were lucky to only be down 1-0 tbh.

I laugh all you want put I see potential with this kid.
I've only seen him really play for an extended period of time in these two games.
But his touch isn't bad. I'd like to see him play striker in an exhibition game. I think with some work on this game we could possibly have a Peter Crouch i our hands.

Maybe.

 

[Wild]

Pirlo plays week in week out because we do not have a player with his characteristic in the squad. Pirlo was also a sub to Rui Costa in his first season and failed to take over Rui's role. He was later tried in a different position and made that spot his own. In other words, he failed to kick Rui Costa out of the team and had to adapt to playing in a different position.

Gourcuff came in and failed to kick Seedorf out of the team. He was tried in other positions like on the right of midfield and center of midfield and failed to impress. Until now, the only good game he had was againts AEK.

Its hard to win a spot in the team but once you do, its going to take a helluva effort to kick you out of it. We have seen with the Pirlo example, Kaka example and now the Pato example that if you are young and good, you get your chance. Unfortunetly, that has not been the case with Gou. I do hope, that will change in the future and he will improve but i have so far failed to see any sign of that happening.

That’s ur version.
Mine is that I refuse 2 judge Gou when Pirlo played in the same game + sucked more.
And about Gou on the long run , my version is that he came , he did deserve 2 kick Seedorf out but Anshitloti protected his lover & Gou was broken @ the end + lost 4ever while Seedorf did good after many season of being shit.

 

[Centre]

That’s ur version.
Mine is that I refuse 2 judge Gou when Pirlo played in the same game + sucked more.
And about Gou on the long run , my version is that he came , he did deserve 2 kick Seedorf out but Anshitloti protected his lover & Gou was broken @ the end + lost 4ever while Seedorf did good after many season of being shit.

I dont understand how you can say that gourcuff played anywhere near as well as pirlo... pirlo distributed the ball very well and his passes actually went to milan players which is more that almost all of cuffs... and how did gourcuff sit on the bench for "many" seasons of seedorf playing like shit?... Last time i checked gourcuff hasnt even been at milan for 2 seasons yet.. better players have waited longer for a chance to play... Dont get me wrong i want him to play... i think hes full of potential... ive said that before... but the way he plays when given a chance does NOT warrant him having a spot in the first 11... plus he doesnt seem to adapt well to other positions...

 

[Gatorbasu]

I am not sure why I even bother to watch this match when certainly our club is not even merely consumed with this tournament.

Thus, the attitude showed on the field for the players and for sure, for the coaches too.

Just look at their facial and bodily expressions, no remorse of losing, no exictement of scoring. They were all walking around like ZOMBIEs.

And GATUSSO needs to stop his rant. I supported him completely against the MANURE last year in the 2nd leg semi but what the hell was he doing with his anger against TEDESCO in a match where his entire club management cares a shit about !!

Well, lets see what MILAN does in SERIE A on a consistent basis.

 

[diavolessa88]

Thus, the attitude showed on the field for the players and for sure, for the coaches too.

Just look at their facial and bodily expressions, no remorse of losing, no exictement of scoring. They were all walking around like ZOMBIEs.

well, in coppa games their attitude is always like that + i think that only one who showed a bit of excitement was gila when he failed to score

 

[jpick]

I dont understand how you can say that gourcuff played anywhere near as well as pirlo... pirlo distributed the ball very well and his passes actually went to milan players which is more that almost all of cuffs... and how did gourcuff sit on the bench for "many" seasons of seedorf playing like shit?... Last time i checked gourcuff hasnt even been at milan for 2 seasons yet.. better players have waited longer for a chance to play... Dont get me wrong i want him to play... i think hes full of potential... ive said that before... but the way he plays when given a chance does NOT warrant him having a spot in the first 11... plus he doesnt seem to adapt well to other positions...

it's called blatant bias, something he accuses most of us of having. how someone can think gourcuff played better than anyone last night is mind-boggling, especially in the first half, to say he played better than pirlo, well, that is just beyond silly, imho, but to each his own.

@ j.rome (that's not for jim rome the tv/radio personality is it?)

i agree on digao, milan should loan him out to serie b to a team that will try him as a striker, he always looks more solid going forward than at the back.

 

[Beemer]

From the game last night, i only see Dida, Maldini, jankulovski, favalli and Emerson who played above average.

Milan - Catalunia at coppa italia mate... didn't you see the thread title?

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[acerвιc wιт]

Awwww come now....unless your command of the obvious is missing, I think we both know that your moaning about him not being in the first team implies that he doesn't get the support and space (read "service" it doesn't always have to be about the good through balls or accurate crosses ) that poor Gila desperately needs to score.

Assuming makes an ass out of you and me.
I couldn't care less if Gilardino doesn't play another match in the Milan shirt. You are missing the point of my arguement.

 

[acerвιc wιт]

And he's never had the opportunity to redeem himself with the first string side?


Riiight...

You take notice of what you want. I just said without taking his past performances into consideration. What don't you understand of that?
Gilardino is crucified for the one on one he missed but gets nothing for that beautiful assist to Paloschi.

Exactly the same with Gourcuff. He gets praised from a minority when he plays pityful. However when for arguements sake a Seedorf or Pirlo puts in a better performance than that of Gourcuff and he should be banished from the Milanello training complex.

The point of my arguement is if you are going to crucify a player for playing badly then do the same of the others who put a performance on par or below that standard.

I'm merely using Gilardino as an example because people tend to exaggerate when he doesn't play bad at all. I personally don't want to get into an arguement about Gilardino because for whatever reason he isn't playing to the standard than he was during his Parma days. Whether it maybe because he doesn't fit into our style, or Milan have shaped him to playing more for the team hence altered his development or merely because he can't cut it as a big team. Though personally I believe Gilardino would benefit from a Pato or Ronaldo playing alongside him as he did when he had Shevchenko as a strike partner.

 

[acerвιc wιт]

Besides, I'm not the one who posts news in relation to Luton Town F.C's financial problems in the Italian Football Thread. Now how stupid is that?... (Comprehension is an integral part of English... Obviously not to some people it seems, but that's understandable)

 

[menon_inc]

That’s ur version.
Mine is that I refuse 2 judge Gou when Pirlo played in the same game + sucked more.

Pirlo sucked more? Pirlo had a better game than Gourcuff.

And about Gou on the long run , my version is that he came , he did deserve 2 kick Seedorf out but Anshitloti protected his lover & Gou was broken @ the end + lost 4ever while Seedorf did good after many season of being shit.

He did deserve to kick Seedorf out? Based on that 1 good game he had in his career? In the end, having faith in Seedorf was justified as he was probably our 2nd best player last season and played a big part in winning the CL. At the end of the day, Carlo got it right and stop making Gou sounds like a pussy and without character. Remember, Carlo highlighted the fact that he was doing good in training in Dubai and as a result, he got to play 90 minutes againts UAE+Came in as a sub againts Napoli and started the coppa italia match and guess what? He failed to impress

 

[ACMRULE!]

it's called blatant bias, something he accuses most of us of having. how someone can think gourcuff played better than anyone last night is mind-boggling, especially in the first half, to say he played better than pirlo, well, that is just beyond silly, imho, but to each his own.

Don't you realise that it is this attitude which makes it difficult for a young talented player to improve and become world class. Yes, Gourcuff's game can be frustrating sometimes but it is damn obvious that this player is very talented! I mean cmon...many here are saying that he had a shit game yet he still managed to create two great chances in the match! Think about it...if he can deliver chances when he's playing like shit, what can this guy do when he becomes self-confident and unlocks all his potential???!
Obviously he didn't play better than Pirlo...by now Pirlo is the best creative midfielder in the business...few can compare...and it isn't right to compare Gourcuff wt Pirlo cos Pirlo is a seasoned player and Gourcuff is still a star in the making.

 

[smartyin]

Don't you realise that it is this attitude which makes it difficult for a young talented player to improve and become world class. Yes, Gourcuff's game can be frustrating sometimes but it is damn obvious that this player is very talented! I mean cmon...many here are saying that he had a shit game yet he still managed to create two great chances in the match! Think about it...if he can deliver chances when he's playing like shit, what can this guy do when he becomes self-confident and unlocks all his potential???!
Obviously he didn't play better than Pirlo...by now Pirlo is the best creative midfielder in the business...few can compare...and it isn't right to compare Gourcuff wt Pirlo cos Pirlo is a seasoned player and Gourcuff is still a star in the making.

good post...Seedorf always have shit games,but when he play a good game he will be praised,why so harsh on a youngster?

 

[Centre]

Don't you realise that it is this attitude which makes it difficult for a young talented player to improve and become world class. Yes, Gourcuff's game can be frustrating sometimes but it is damn obvious that this player is very talented! I mean cmon...many here are saying that he had a shit game yet he still managed to create two great chances in the match! Think about it...if he can deliver chances when he's playing like shit, what can this guy do when he becomes self-confident and unlocks all his potential???!
Obviously he didn't play better than Pirlo...by now Pirlo is the best creative midfielder in the business...few can compare...and it isn't right to compare Gourcuff wt Pirlo cos Pirlo is a seasoned player and Gourcuff is still a star in the making.

No argument on the talent but whatever chances he may have created are completely outnumbered by the number of mistakes and turnovers that he was responsible for... I seriously like the player and want him to live up to potential but cmon i lost count of how many passes he tried to make to players within 10-15 yards that either went off the pitch or to a catania player... Its just not acceptable from someone as talented as he is...

 

[jpick]

Don't you realise that it is this attitude which makes it difficult for a young talented player to improve and become world class. Yes, Gourcuff's game can be frustrating sometimes but it is damn obvious that this player is very talented! I mean cmon...many here are saying that he had a shit game yet he still managed to create two great chances in the match! Think about it...if he can deliver chances when he's playing like shit, what can this guy do when he becomes self-confident and unlocks all his potential???!
Obviously he didn't play better than Pirlo...by now Pirlo is the best creative midfielder in the business...few can compare...and it isn't right to compare Gourcuff wt Pirlo cos Pirlo is a seasoned player and Gourcuff is still a star in the making.

I have no desire to compare him to pirlo, gattuso, seedorf, zidane, or whomever. then again, I wasn't the one who started claiming that gourcuff played better than pirlo or seedorf plays tons of crap games, or seedorf sucked last year...that wasn't me. also, i want gourcuff to do well, and i want him to have chances (more chances in fact) to play, but that doesn't mean i should lie and say that he did great when he didn't. also, comparisons to him and seedorf are natural since they are the competitors for a role, and obviously over the period of time that gourcuff has been here, seedorf hs vastly outplayed him, and any other excuses are just that, excuses, and as mentioned in a previous post, "dumb ol' anshitlotti," if he had done the "smart" thing and played gourcuff over seedorf last year, then milan would almost certainly have not won the cl, and might not have gotten up to fourth place, given how well seedorf played. so, anshitlotti was right (at least on this matter), and some people can't admit it or see past their bias.

as far as not jumping on the back of milan players, oh i agree, this board is really tough, way too tough in fact, but it ain't on gourcuff that the wrath comes down, it's on pirlo and seedorf for every teeny-tiny mistake they have.

No argument on the talent but whatever chances he may have created are completely outnumbered by the number of mistakes and turnovers that he was responsible for... I seriously like the player and want him to live up to potential but cmon i lost count of how many passes he tried to make to players within 10-15 yards that either went off the pitch or to a catania player... Its just not acceptable from someone as talented as he is...

agree, he's talented and has great first touch and can skip by defenders and create space, but his passing and decision-making leave a lot to be desired and in milan's midfield with it's patient, possession-oriented approach, you can't afford that.

 

[warmth]

I think RAI won't be showing it (they didn't show the first leg of neither Coppa game so I doubt they will now).

Come on guys!!!!!!!! Forza Milan!!!

I know is a little bit late for this info but maybe everybody must be informed about it...

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=68157