Preferred Formation

Which formation ?

  • 4-3-2-1

    Votes: 140 36.6%
  • 4-3-1-2

    Votes: 242 63.4%

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I can imagine Pippo having a headache for the formation...

El Shaarawy can only play LW, nothing else. Torres can play CF, nothing else. Menez can play pretty much all the front three positions pretty decent but not excellent, however does he deserve to start? I think he is the best option at RW in a 4-3-3... but could he work as a second striker?

Honda, IMO is our most important player in the squad, can play pretty much all the positions up front and in midfield, and him playing well at RW (even though he always goes central) is because he is a football genius and is adapting to a position that isn't his best. Just because he's doing well there, does not mean we should trap him there and keep him, I think we should experiment and play him as a sole central trequartista because I really think we can get a lot more than him in the center of the pitch rather than at the right offensive wing only.

Pazzini - I am not a fan of him, I see absolutely no benefits in him being in the squad. Niang has so much potential, at times he can be the best player in the squad but his problem is his finish, and his decisions. We know he's capable, but he's just not yet ready to be a starter, however as we saw two years ago when he was given the faith and started, he was truly amazing on the RW. I don't know if RW or CF is his ideal spot, but he definitely deserves to start 5-10 games this season, and be coming on as a substitute in about 20 games.

Bonaventura I believe is an average player and was brought simply for depth. He doesn't deserve to start ahead of any of the four players mentioned above unless they need a rest. I expect 15-20 appearances from him mostly from the bench.


De Jong should and deserves to start every game until Montolivo comes back, by then we will figure out a new solution and see how these two can click. He's a great and classy player however offers 0 creativity and that has been harmful but unfortunately many people ignore that fact because he does his defensive duties so well.

Muntari is a solid player defensively, but way too often does he try his audacious passes and shots of which he fails 70% of the time. He does have a high scoring rate for a midfielder, and he is a very solid option as a box-to-box midfielder for us. Poli at times can be excellent, but more often than not he's average. He's a very good player to have in the squad, but not ideal player to be in the starting 11. He offers a lot of grinta, heart, and at times has the skill to dribble, but offensively he messes up a lot. Essien the worst player in midfield for us, we expected this signing to be a shrewd one, but it has failed miserably. We have not seen anything positive from him since he's been here and hopefully, Inzaghi sees that. I see Muntari, Poli, Bonaventura and Essien all fight it out for that box to box position, in some cases we will require one and others two.

Alex, Rami, Zapata are CBs that are pretty much equal, the first two offer goals on set pieces, Zapata offers experience in Serie A and speed. All three of those are prone to mistakes and none of them is a very good option and deserves to be an undisputed starter. Mexes can be the best CB in our team on his day, but I haven't seen that day in a long time. He plays with so much arrogance and moves and commands his team mates as if he was Nesta, I think he should be the fourth CB. Then there are Bonera and Zaccardo, the worst options in CB. I think that even De Sciglio can play as a CB better than those two. Having 6 center backs is bad for us when playing with 2 CBs, but if we play with 3 CBs, then it would not be such a bad idea.

At fullback positions we only have Armero at LB, Abate at RB and De Sciglio covering both. This means if one of these guys is injured, the we will have no substitutes for them in game time and will have to do a make shift solution such as moving Bonera to a fullback which is a bad idea.


After analyzing our squad, I think, that by far, our best module is this:

3-5-2

------------------------------------ LOPEZ --------------------------------------
---------------------------------- (ABBIATI) ------------------------------------

---------------- RAMI -------------- ALEX -------------- ZAPATA ------------------
-------------- (BONERA) --------- (MEXES) ----- (DE SCIGLIO, ZACCARDO) ---------

--------------------- DE JONG --------------- MUNTARI ----------------------------
------------------ (POLI, ESSIEN) ----- (VAN GINKEL, BONAVENTURA) ------------------

--- DE SCIGLIO ----------------- HONDA -------------------------- EL SHAARAWY
-- (ABATE, NIANG) --- (BONAVENTURA, SAPO, MASTOUR) ------ (ARMERO, NIANG, MENEZ)

----------------------- MENEZ ---------------------------------------------------
------------------ (NIANG, MASTOUR) --------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------- TORRES ----------------------------
--------------------------------------- (PAZZINI, MENEZ, NIANG) -----------------



-- Three defenders because we have a lot of CBs, and too few full backs.

-- One of the wingers in the midfield 5 has to be one of the defensive minded players De Sciglio, Abate, Armero, but never both being defensive.

-- Honda utilized in his best position, here he wouldn't worry about his speed and can dish out passes to the wingers and forward two

-- Menez can start centrally and move to the opposite direction of which Torres runs towards, opening up and stretching out the play. Both wingers should open up the wings as well, with Honda and Muntari pushing forward when in possession.

-- It is very advantageous to us that we have very speedy players playing in the wings and two positions up front: SES, Armero, Niang, Torres, Menez, Abate (with Pazzini being the only slow option)

-- This formation allows most of the players to play in their ideal positions


-- When attacking, it will look more of a 3 - 2 - 2 - 3
-- When defending, it will look more of a 4 - 4 - 1 - 1


Yup I had alot of time on my hands. Given the sad squad, we might as well try to think of solutions. I think this squad could potentially get third. Our squad's success will be determined by El Shaarawy, Torres form and Inzaghi's squad selection.


EDIT: totally forgot about Van Ginkel, but I've not seen him play, so he's a big question mark. I think he would take Muntari's position if he's a good player and fits in. Also forgot about Saponara, who should be one of the last players to be considered if he doesn't make a huge leap in his game. He should play in either the LW or RW spots, or maybe even instead of Honda (if he's trying to be a trequartista).
 
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Possible Milan formation with Van Ginkel, Bonaventura and Torres:

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I love the 4-2-3-1 reports more

Ideally a team that can easily shift to 4-3-3, 4-5-1

CF: Pazzo, Torres, Niang
LW: SES, Bonaventura, Niang, Menez
CAM: Honda, Bonaventura, Saponara, Menez, Poli
RW: Menez, Bonaventura, Niang, Poli, Saponara
CDM: DeJong, Muntari, VG, Essien, Poli


You can probably make it work with those options.
 

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ginkel and bonaventura may switch alot in that formation which is nice.

lopez
abate rami zapata de sciglio
de jong
honda bonaventura
niang torres shaarawy​

looks good but only on the paper!
 
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I can imagine Pippo having a headache for the formation...

El Shaarawy can only play LW, nothing else. Torres can play CF, nothing else. Menez can play pretty much all the front three positions pretty decent but not excellent, however does he deserve to start? I think he is the best option at RW in a 4-3-3... but could he work as a second striker?

Honda, IMO is our most important player in the squad, can play pretty much all the positions up front and in midfield, and him playing well at RW (even though he always goes central) is because he is a football genius and is adapting to a position that isn't his best. Just because he's doing well there, does not mean we should trap him there and keep him, I think we should experiment and play him as a sole central trequartista because I really think we can get a lot more than him in the center of the pitch rather than at the right offensive wing only.

Pazzini - I am not a fan of him, I see absolutely no benefits in him being in the squad. Niang has so much potential, at times he can be the best player in the squad but his problem is his finish, and his decisions. We know he's capable, but he's just not yet ready to be a starter, however as we saw two years ago when he was given the faith and started, he was truly amazing on the RW. I don't know if RW or CF is his ideal spot, but he definitely deserves to start 5-10 games this season, and be coming on as a substitute in about 20 games.

Bonaventura I believe is an average player and was brought simply for depth. He doesn't deserve to start ahead of any of the four players mentioned above unless they need a rest. I expect 15-20 appearances from him mostly from the bench.


De Jong should and deserves to start every game until Montolivo comes back, by then we will figure out a new solution and see how these two can click. He's a great and classy player however offers 0 creativity and that has been harmful but unfortunately many people ignore that fact because he does his defensive duties so well.

Muntari is a solid player defensively, but way too often does he try his audacious passes and shots of which he fails 70% of the time. He does have a high scoring rate for a midfielder, and he is a very solid option as a box-to-box midfielder for us. Poli at times can be excellent, but more often than not he's average. He's a very good player to have in the squad, but not ideal player to be in the starting 11. He offers a lot of grinta, heart, and at times has the skill to dribble, but offensively he messes up a lot. Essien the worst player in midfield for us, we expected this signing to be a shrewd one, but it has failed miserably. We have not seen anything positive from him since he's been here and hopefully, Inzaghi sees that. I see Muntari, Poli, Bonaventura and Essien all fight it out for that box to box position, in some cases we will require one and others two.

Alex, Rami, Zapata are CBs that are pretty much equal, the first two offer goals on set pieces, Zapata offers experience in Serie A and speed. All three of those are prone to mistakes and none of them is a very good option and deserves to be an undisputed starter. Mexes can be the best CB in our team on his day, but I haven't seen that day in a long time. He plays with so much arrogance and moves and commands his team mates as if he was Nesta, I think he should be the fourth CB. Then there are Bonera and Zaccardo, the worst options in CB. I think that even De Sciglio can play as a CB better than those two. Having 6 center backs is bad for us when playing with 2 CBs, but if we play with 3 CBs, then it would not be such a bad idea.

At fullback positions we only have Armero at LB, Abate at RB and De Sciglio covering both. This means if one of these guys is injured, the we will have no substitutes for them in game time and will have to do a make shift solution such as moving Bonera to a fullback which is a bad idea.


After analyzing our squad, I think, that by far, our best module is this:

3-5-2

------------------------------------ LOPEZ --------------------------------------
---------------------------------- (ABBIATI) ------------------------------------

---------------- RAMI -------------- ALEX -------------- ZAPATA ------------------
-------------- (BONERA) --------- (MEXES) ----- (DE SCIGLIO, ZACCARDO) ---------

--------------------- DE JONG --------------- MUNTARI ----------------------------
------------------ (POLI, ESSIEN) ----- (VAN GINKEL, BONAVENTURA) ------------------

--- DE SCIGLIO ----------------- HONDA -------------------------- EL SHAARAWY
-- (ABATE, NIANG) --- (BONAVENTURA, SAPO, MASTOUR) ------ (ARMERO, NIANG, MENEZ)

----------------------- MENEZ ---------------------------------------------------
------------------ (NIANG, MASTOUR) --------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------- TORRES ----------------------------
--------------------------------------- (PAZZINI, MENEZ, NIANG) -----------------



-- Three defenders because we have a lot of CBs, and too few full backs.

-- One of the wingers in the midfield 5 has to be one of the defensive minded players De Sciglio, Abate, Armero, but never both being defensive.

-- Honda utilized in his best position, here he wouldn't worry about his speed and can dish out passes to the wingers and forward two

-- Menez can start centrally and move to the opposite direction of which Torres runs towards, opening up and stretching out the play. Both wingers should open up the wings as well, with Honda and Muntari pushing forward when in possession.

-- It is very advantageous to us that we have very speedy players playing in the wings and two positions up front: SES, Armero, Niang, Torres, Menez, Abate (with Pazzini being the only slow option)

-- This formation allows most of the players to play in their ideal positions


-- When attacking, it will look more of a 3 - 2 - 2 - 3
-- When defending, it will look more of a 4 - 4 - 1 - 1


Yup I had alot of time on my hands. Given the sad squad, we might as well try to think of solutions. I think this squad could potentially get third. Our squad's success will be determined by El Shaarawy, Torres form and Inzaghi's squad selection.


EDIT: totally forgot about Van Ginkel, but I've not seen him play, so he's a big question mark. I think he would take Muntari's position if he's a good player and fits in. Also forgot about Saponara, who should be one of the last players to be considered if he doesn't make a huge leap in his game. He should play in either the LW or RW spots, or maybe even instead of Honda (if he's trying to be a trequartista).


Man thats some great stuff....:thumbsup:

there are a lot of things that we want to happen, one of them is boner to be benched :lol:
 

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At the minute, this must be the starting team.

SES-----menez---Honda

Playing so well together.

So torres, Pazzini, Bonaventura, Niang, Saponara as options. So well covered up there.
 

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I always said that Milan plays better with 4-3-3, we were amazing in 2012-13 and now I think we are back. Fuck 4-3-1-2 and 4-3-2-1 formations.
 

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The Formation & Line-up Berlusconi wants (4-2-3-1)
(according to CdS)


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I can imagine Pippo having a headache for the formation...


Honda, IMO is our most important player in the squad, can play pretty much all the positions up front and in midfield, and him playing well at RW (even though he always goes central) is because he is a football genius and is adapting to a position that isn't his best. Just because he's doing well there, does not mean we should trap him there and keep him, I think we should experiment and play him as a sole central trequartista because I really think we can get a lot more than him in the center of the pitch rather than at the right offensive wing only.

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It looks like Berlusconi agrees with you.
 

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that formation is woeful, de jong and muntari will get over run


and menez is playing great as a false no 9 why change it
 

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CDS formation is likely BS, but it looks pretty nice. Would be even better when Monto is back and before that Muntari and Wulfert can battle to partner Nigellone.

Jack could also play in any position in attack there.

But my preferred would be keeping the 433 and try to adapt Jack to LCM and See how it goes.
 

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Seeing the team in the first 6-7 games I think that 2 modules are the best for us. I'm obviously not going to propose something that is never going to happen like a 3 at the back or something like that.

First of all, to get the most out of the exceptional qualities that Menez has, he needs to be played as a fake 9. As a winger or an AM he becomes a massively irritating player. If hes out of form or injured, Torres can take his spot.

First formation is a 433 with Jack at LCM. He looked very good when he played as a right central midfielder, and he will do even better when he is on his preferred side, the left one. Having Monto at anchor and DJ next to him is going to make it even better.

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Best thing about this is that we can change during games if there's a need for it like we have done against Chievo, Bonaventura allows you to do that. He can play in a 3 man mid and the front three without a problem. Guess we could call it the Chameleon formation.

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We can easily switch to something like this. If there's a need for a CF, for example when we are playing teams that defend in the own half for 90 mins, then Menez can be benched.
SES, Honda and Jack, especially the latter two can switch positions during the course of the game. The best thing about these line ups is that there are no reference points up front, which makes it very hard to defend against, especially when you have fast and technically gifted players like we do. They all also track back.

Now, imagine how amazing this team could be if we could replace NDJ with someone who is equally good or better defensively, but a lot more dynamic and mobile, better technically, taller & more physical, that can push forward and score & take parts in attacks, be a driving force for the team. :eek: #Khedira
 

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i like the formation that the coach picks

in that formation nigel de jong, menez, keisuke honda amongst others play every week

i like that alot

what about you guys
 

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When playing at home where we should dominate the opponent

----SES-------Torres------Honda----
---Muntari------DJ----V.Gin/Jack----

When playing a tough away fixture where we need to counter attack

-----SES-----Menez-----Honda-----
--Munt/Jack---DJ----Poli---------
 

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Let Honda play as AMF with three CM to support him while let MNZ play as SS or RW.

If SP insists to play the 4-3-3 then he must try Niang as CF.


-----------------Lopez-----------------
--ABA-------RAM----ZAP-------DSG--
------------------NDJ------------------
--------Honda-----------Jack----------
----MNZ-----------------------SES----
-----------------Niang-----------------
 

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With Monty back it should be:

Lopez
Abate, Mexes, Zapata, Des
De Jong, Montolivo, Bonaventura
Honda
Torres/Menez, Ses
 

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This is an idea I got after the Coppa win over Sassuolo. It stems from the idea that Sharawy and Cerci are similar players who need space to thrive on. And the fact that Menez cannot be removed from the lineup. Also I am assuming that we are making one change, Pazzini would leave and we would have to sign one player instead (I would go for a CB).

---------------------Honda-----------------
--Sharawy---------Menez-----------Cerci
-----------Montolivo------De Jong---------
--Sciglio----NewCB------Alex-----Abate--

- Joker player: Bonaventura .. so he can be inserted anywhere in midfield.

- Honda is not the best option at CF, but both he and Cerci are good options at RW. If both are available, then they should both play. I think out of the 4 attackers (Honda, Cerci, Menez, Sharawy) Honda is the best option as the CF who can create space for wingers to run onto. He has played there for Japan in the past. Cerci seems more dangerous than him on the wing and combines well with Abate.

- Sharawy has shown that he could be dangerous. But it depends on the formation. A static slow build up team makes him useless a faced paced team makes him one of our most effective and dangerous players. This front line should help him.

- Menez can pick up the ball from deep and is a free roaming player. He will need to involved the other forwards more than he usually does.

- Montolivo and De Jong are strong enough to protect the defense. De Jong looked better when he had passing options out on the wing. Playing between two CMs restricts his limited range (which is only out to the wings).
 

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This is an idea I got after the Coppa win over Sassuolo. It stems from the idea that Sharawy and Cerci are similar players who need space to thrive on. And the fact that Menez cannot be removed from the lineup. Also I am assuming that we are making one change, Pazzini would leave and we would have to sign one player instead (I would go for a CB).

---------------------Honda-----------------
--Sharawy---------Menez-----------Cerci
-----------Montolivo------De Jong---------
--Sciglio----NewCB------Alex-----Abate--

- Joker player: Bonaventura .. so he can be inserted anywhere in midfield.

- Honda is not the best option at CF, but both he and Cerci are good options at RW. If both are available, then they should both play. I think out of the 4 attackers (Honda, Cerci, Menez, Sharawy) Honda is the best option as the CF who can create space for wingers to run onto. He has played there for Japan in the past. Cerci seems more dangerous than him on the wing and combines well with Abate.

- Sharawy has shown that he could be dangerous. But it depends on the formation. A static slow build up team makes him useless a faced paced team makes him one of our most effective and dangerous players. This front line should help him.

- Menez can pick up the ball from deep and is a free roaming player. He will need to involved the other forwards more than he usually does.

- Montolivo and De Jong are strong enough to protect the defense. De Jong looked better when he had passing options out on the wing. Playing between two CMs restricts his limited range (which is only out to the wings).

Shaarawy will probably go back to invisible mode from the next game.

Benching Bonaventura for Shaarawy and Honda isn't really very wise.

Honda automatically loses the ball when someone attempts to pressure him and as a CF he will have less space not to mention that he is weak and slow and can't really dribble.

Menez has done well at the CF position so there is no need to move him to a role with more defensive duties.

De Sciglio is no starter as well.
 
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- The idea is that you want to bring out the best in Sharawy so you have to set the ideal conditions for him to do well.

- Bonaventura is my player of the season so far. This formation is not fixed so Boneventura being Jack of all trades can play anywhere where there's a missing player. If Sharawy is out, Menez goes left and Bonaventura in the centre (or Bonaventura on the left). He provides many options.

- I see Honda as our best possession player. I don't know why you think he loses the ball cheaply, I think he holds onto it quite well.

- Menez is good at CF but by playing there I think it would limit Sharawy and Cerci's movement. If that weren't the case then I'd play him there but he seems to like to pick the ball up from deep anyway and he always helps in defense.
 

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- The idea is that you want to bring out the best in Sharawy so you have to set the ideal conditions for him to do well.

- Bonaventura is my player of the season so far. This formation is not fixed so Boneventura being Jack of all trades can play anywhere where there's a missing player. If Sharawy is out, Menez goes left and Bonaventura in the centre (or Bonaventura on the left). He provides many options.

- I see Honda as our best possession player. I don't know why you think he loses the ball cheaply, I think he holds onto it quite well.

- Menez is good at CF but by playing there I think it would limit Sharawy and Cerci's movement. If that weren't the case then I'd play him there but he seems to like to pick the ball up from deep anyway and he always helps in defense.

Actually this formation will limit Cerci's contribution as he will need to do more defensive work than he does.

Shaarawy's problem is no formation. He is just afraid most of the time to take on players and when he does he mostly fails and he takes very heavy touches on the ball not to mention weak shots. This is not due to the formation , it is mostly self confidence.

I don't really trust Honda with the ball at all , he takes too long to decide what to do.

I would like to see what Niang can do if he is given the same chances as Shaarawy.
 
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Good points.

Perhaps we can try something more flat like this:

---------------Menez-------Cerci--------------
--Sharawy-------------------------Bonaventura-
--------------Montolivo--De Jong---------------


In the same mold as Capello's Juve but with a speedier attack and less assertiveness.

Cerci has played as a forward with Immobile at Torino. I think Sharawy can also be played up front and and Bonaventura plays on the left and Cerci on the right. Honda can also play anywhere up front.
 

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Since we don't have a Midfield anyway:

----------------Lopez----------------
Abate------Rami------Mexes------DeS
------Montolivo-----Bonaventura------
---Cerci--------Honda-------Menez---
----------------Pazzini---------------

4-2-4 :proud::proud:

on a more serious note, i'm pretty sure Monto, Jack and Honda can hold the Ball and move it arround among them even under pressure.
 

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Good points.

Perhaps we can try something more flat like this:

---------------Menez-------Cerci--------------
--Sharawy-------------------------Bonaventura-
--------------Montolivo--De Jong---------------


In the same mold as Capello's Juve but with a speedier attack and less assertiveness.

Cerci has played as a forward with Immobile at Torino. I think Sharawy can also be played up front and and Bonaventura plays on the left and Cerci on the right. Honda can also play anywhere up front.

That's it for me as well though Bonaventura will be more of an AM and I'm not sure whether it will be Shaarawy or Niang.
 

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We should play the 4-2-3-1 with the current midfield.That 5 men in the middle should be able to control games if they need to and their movement should open space for the Striker to score.Inzaghi should quit the "lob the ball to menez" game play.We need motivation,confidence,teamwork rather than player changes or manager changes.
 

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1) vs a team that defends high up the pitch; where we can counter attack:

---------------DL
--Abate---Alex--Paletta--Antonelli
------Poli-----NDJ---Montolivo
--Honda-------------------Jack
---------------Menez

2) vs a team that sits back, where we have the room to control play

----------------DL
--Abate--Paletta--Rami--Antonelli
----------NDJ----Montolivo
--Jack-------Honda-------Sharawy
-------------Destro
 
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