Preferred Formation

[Tadej]

Well, it depends on the opponent, and its not so much a 3 man, more like 5 man defence.
(as Mexes and Bonera are slow defenders, and need more cover from de Jong, who would be closer to cover gaps)
Emanuelson and Abate are Wing Backs. And same here when one of the wingbacks goes forward, we still get a 4 man defence for ex. Mexes - De Jong - Bonera - Abate, when Emanuelson is attacking.

So, when defending it would be more 5-4-1, and when attacking a balanced 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 depends how you look at it, my main point in these tactics is that Emanuelson and Abate are very offencive minded, a weak defenders, so when they leave two central defenders in a 4 man defence, with slow players we are weak at the back, so why not push them forwad in the first place, and ad a 3rd central defender and/or destructive midfielder like De Jong, in a Pirlo-esque, central defender instead od DMC, playmaker, in de Jong, or Essien, who is now on his way to Milan. This would make a rombus (*A) in the middle (a bit like the old good 4-(1-2)-1-2), but also with double wingers (*B) which is currently very "in". Juventus plays with 3 defenders and they are doing okay, half of serie A is playing 3 central defenders.

----B------A------B----
-B-------A---A-------B-
-----Def---A---Def-----
-----------GK----------

Imagine this, for the optimal players characteristics:
-------------------------------------------------
-----Ronaldinho------Kaka-----------Pato--------
-------------------------------------------------
-------------Seedorf------Gattuso----------------
-Serginho---------------------------------Cafu---
-----------Maldini----Pirlo----Nesta---------------
--------------------------------------------------
---------------------Dida-------------------------

Too much FM?

 

[jasiom]

ehh...

Too much FM?

maybe you, I haven't played FM since 2007 edition. I watch a lot of football and all Milan's games - problems are obvious, and conventional solutions won't help - as all the teams are already prepared for 4-2-3-1, and if you think about what I wrote for I second longer, it might actually start making sense.

3 defenders with 2 more wingbacks on the sides, are very common in english championship (the league) and in Italy (its more 5 defenders). I dont understand whats all the fuss is about, that's the future of tactics after the german/dutch 4-2-3-1, which is already in place for some time, ale a lot of teams know how to handle it, esspecially its common in the national teams, Milan should look to the future, and start new tactical trends, not copy them - few years later, a most importantly we should set tactics to players and not vice-versa, Abate and Emanuelson are begging for playing a bit more offensively. And (excluding often injured Pazzini) we have no real Pippo-like striker. Dont get me wrong 4-2-3-1 is ok for now, but 3-4-3 could be even better with the players at our disposal.

Do I really have to spell it out that its more like a 5-4-1 when defending.

----------------Pazzini------------------
--Kaka----------------------Balotelli-----
----------Montolivo---Honda-------------
--Emanuelson-----------------Abate-----
----------------De Jong-----------------
--------Mexes-------------Bonera--------
----------------Abbiati------------------

greets.

 

[Ashish]

lol football without 4-4-2

 

[Tidalwave]

Berlusconi: "I dont want 5 midfielder at the same time"

 

[milanazkals]

-----------Pazzini/Balo----------
SES/Kaka---Honda---Balo/Adel
---Montolivo-Muntari/Essien---
DES----Zapata--Rami----Abate
-------------Abbiati--------------

 

[Super22]

I cant understand why seedorf want 4-2-3-1 formation where we are short of pacy winger
It would be best to have Rossi, Cerci, Giovinco or Insigne in this position and all we have is Robinho.

We should play to our strength and not to our weakness.

We have plently of good Midfielders in Milan and I guess the old Milan 4-3-1-2 formation suit better.

CM: Essien, Monto and Cristante. With De Jong, Poli, Saponara, Muntari, Birsa and Constant as sub.

AM: Honda, Kaka and taarabt can rotate.

CF: Balotelli, Pazzini. With EL Sharrwary, Petagna and Robinho as sub.

 

[Super22]

And for god sake please play 2 striker against weaker team. Especially against team that park the bus.

 

[Nestafan]

Close this thread until the summer, when we hopefully get some good players in.

 

[Trapgio]

Abbiati
De Sciglio Rami Zapata Emanuelson

Poli Montolivio Essien

Honda Ballotelli Kaka

 

[Benz_1803]

most of club in italy use 3-5-2/3-5-1-1 or whatevr 3 CB 2WB lots of MF...
as far as i know 4-4-2 ended 3-5-2 a decade ago.

 

[Tidalwave]

Im not against the 4-2-3-1, but for the player in our disposal atm i think 4-3-1-2/4-3-2-1 is the right formation.

We dont have the right player to accomodate 4-2-3-1.

Balotelli - Pazzini
Kaka/Taarabt
Montolivo - DJ - Poli
DS - Rami - Zapata -Abate

or

Pazzini
Saponara - Honda
Muntari - Essien - Cristante
​

 

[Super22]

During the match we often enjoy great possession and we pass between our midfielders, but we hardly threaten the opposition.

Seedorf must understand that we have to play 2 strikers. 1 striker get closed off too easy, or unless you are R9

Kaka and Honda are played out of position, neither of them have pace or space to run in yesterday match.

I suggest 4-3-1-2

 

[Jivara]

Wrong thread

 

[Tadej]

This is how milan looked against juventus. I think, that we will see that formation against atletico(i hope)...it is very dinamic with that idea. I would like to see cristante in poli position in near future though.

 

[Jivara]

-------Zapata---Rami---Zaccardo--
--DeS--------De Jong---------------
-------Montolivo-----Poli------------
---------------------------------SeS-
-----------Balotelli------------------
------------------Pazzini------------

Or Taarabt/Honda + Balotelli CF

 

[Australiano1980]

so we played 4312 when we didnt have any trequartista... now we have four trequartistas playing in a 4411.. thats clever.

 

[Tadej]

Zidorf must implement brazilian 4-2-2-2.

Marchetti
DES Doria Alex Murru
Montolivo De Jong
Honda Kaka
Balotelli SES

That would be total revolution in europe.

 

[milanoldfarts]

We really should play this formation...but Seedorf is stupid so he will never play it


Abate-Mexes(Zap)-Rami-DES
Bryan-De Jong-Monty
------Honda---------
Pazzo-------Balo-----

This is the best formation we can field right now

 

[Ashish]

so we played 4312 when we didnt have any trequartista... now we have four trequartistas playing in a 4411.. thats clever.

 

[danik7]

I think this formation is the best..unfortunately we don't have players of a few years ago..
abbiati
abate rami zapata(mexes) de sciglio
cristante montolivo(poli) de jong
kakà taarabt
balotelli

 

[Jivara]

-------Zapata---Rami---Zaccardo--
--DeS--------De Jong---------------
-------Montolivo-----Poli------------
---------------------------------SeS-
-----------Balotelli------------------
------------------Pazzini------------

Or Taarabt/Honda + Balotelli CF

We had a similar formation v Fiorentina to the one I posted above and I think it was good because having 3 cbs in a 4 man defence have more assurances in defence and then we had more presence in attack because of the supporting players.

I think until we gain confidence we should stick to this sort of defence.

 

[DugiNesta]

We had a similar formation v Fiorentina to the one I posted above and I think it was good because having 3 cbs in a 4 man defence have more assurances in defence and then we had more presence in attack because of the supporting players.

I think until we gain confidence we should stick to this sort of defence.

Not really.
Bonera played as a RB. He played many times in that postion for us and I think he played even more while he was in Parma. He only didn't make needless runs in attack like Abate does.

 

[Patri]

This is not exactly about tactics, but I couldn't anywhere else more appropriate to post this.



First team squad sizes of teams across Europe:
Real Madrid - 23
Barcelona -25
Bayern Munich (including a few youth team players) - 28
Dortmund - 27
Chelsea - 24
Man City - 24
Man United - 26
Arsenal - 27
Liverpool - 22
PSG - 25
Atletico Madrid - 22
Napoli - 26
Juventus - 24
Roma - 24

Source:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/


It is quite clear that it is not only possible, but also prudent to have a first team squad of little/no more than 24-26 players.



Let us take a look at the list of players that are in contention for a spot in AC Milan's squad next season.

Yes, that's 39 players! Before we even think of buying someone, we have to sell/loan/not extend 14 players if we want to cut down the size of our squad to 25. If we want to buy say, two new players, the number of players to leave has to go up a further two to 16!


I understand very well that nothing even remotely close to this will be carried out this summer. But to be a financially responsible and competitive club, this is the enormity of the task at hand. It will not happen in one transfer window or even two. Especially without the CL money next season, we will have to tolerate at least another couple of seasons of fodder players in the squad before we can be really serious about challenging in Italy or Europe. Even two years is extremely optimistic.

 

[Montolivo]

Dafuq is this? Muntari and de Jong as full backs with Nocerino and Poli as back up?

 

[Birsaforever]

This is not exactly about tactics, but I couldn't anywhere else more appropriate to post this.



First team squad sizes of teams across Europe:
Real Madrid - 23
Barcelona -25
Bayern Munich (including a few youth team players) - 28
Dortmund - 27
Chelsea - 24
Man City - 24
Man United - 26
Arsenal - 27
Liverpool - 22
PSG - 25
Atletico Madrid - 22
Napoli - 26
Juventus - 24
Roma - 24

Source:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/


It is quite clear that it is not only possible, but also prudent to have a first team squad of little/no more than 24-26 players.



Let us take a look at the list of players that are in contention for a spot in AC Milan's squad next season.

Yes, that's 39 players! Before we even think of buying someone, we have to sell/loan/not extend 14 players if we want to cut down the size of our squad to 25. If we want to buy say, two new players, the number of players to leave has to go up a further two to 16!


I understand very well that nothing even remotely close to this will be carried out this summer. But to be a financially responsible and competitive club, this is the enormity of the task at hand. It will not happen in one transfer window or even two. Especially without the CL money next season, we will have to tolerate at least another couple of seasons of fodder players in the squad before we can be really serious about challenging in Italy or Europe. Even two years is extremely optimistic.

Coppola signed a 1 year contract with us just because Gabriel was injuried in August IIRC. Silvestre is on loan and he will go back to Inter on June. Salamon is on coownership and i think Milan and Sampdoria will extend the deal for another year. Emanuelson contract will expire and he will just gtfo.

On the other hand u forgot people like Ely, Oduamadi and Kingsley Boateng and some other currently playing for Primavera that will be too old for that next season.

Some players can be loaned easy. Those just mentioned, Gabriel, Vergara, Saponara and Niang will find a team in less than a week.

I don't know what we will do with Traorè, in the worst but most likely case we will just pay another 1.2m of wage to let him watch the game on television.

There will be 6-7 players that we should try to sell. If we do this, we will have more resources and a more correct squad size.

 

[Phantomx]

4-2-3-1 is better for milan . with SES return this formation will be suitable for milan .
but we need a better and younger attack midifer , someone who can run alots and cover space while team defending .

kaka can not do that and with his ages he cant run all 90 minutes and that's why we need young attack midifer .

and we shouldnt forget about defensing line . specialy in LB .

 

[montex]

I think this formation is the best..unfortunately we don't have players of a few years ago..
abbiati
abate rami zapata(mexes) de sciglio
cristante montolivo(poli) de jong
kakà taarabt
balotelli

I'm agree with you,but how would you think if El Shaarawy came back of good levels?

 

[montex]

Information

According to you in this session of market,we will take a new good goalkeeper in prospect?
thanks to those who answer

 

[Birsaforever]

According to you in this session of market,we will take a new good goalkeeper in prospect?
thanks to those who answer

We took Stefano Gori, currently playing for Primavera. He was called "next Buffon" before Suffet stealed him that "title".

 

[Patri]

Coppola signed a 1 year contract with us just because Gabriel was injuried in August IIRC. Silvestre is on loan and he will go back to Inter on June. Salamon is on coownership and i think Milan and Sampdoria will extend the deal for another year. Emanuelson contract will expire and he will just gtfo.

On the other hand u forgot people like Ely, Oduamadi and Kingsley Boateng and some other currently playing for Primavera that will be too old for that next season.

Some players can be loaned easy. Those just mentioned, Gabriel, Vergara, Saponara and Niang will find a team in less than a week.

I don't know what we will do with Traorè, in the worst but most likely case we will just pay another 1.2m of wage to let him watch the game on television.

There will be 6-7 players that we should try to sell. If we do this, we will have more resources and a more correct squad size.

I did think about about Ely, Oduamadi and Kingsley. I just don't see them having a realistic shot at a place in the squad for the next season. Maybe later on, but just not next season.

Even if we manage to have all the departures you've mentioned above (which in itself would very difficult to achieve in one transfer window), we'll have 31 players in the squad. We'd still have to sell/loan/not extend 6 further players before we can even get started on the '1 in 1 out solution' if we want to bring the squad size to 25. Like I said, it is not possible to do it in one window. Which is why I foresee at least another couple of seasons of a squad with fodder before we get a proper, lean squad in place. That is just the reality.