Preferred Formation

[MassterMark]

Why are people so convinced with Senderos when he couldn't even get a game on Arsenal...

we are only speculating and wish only best for milan's players.
but CB in arsenal may be different than CB in milan. so maybe isn't an issue if he didn't play a lot in arsenal. maybe he will shine in milan and would never in arsenal.
we'll see...
but he is our player and for now I support him.

 

[grounder]

Why are people so convinced with Senderos when he couldn't even get a game on Arsenal...

I don't think people are convinced, but because he's the only one we got, people are hoping that he'll turn out OK

 

[Senatore_M84]

with beckham coming.... what r thoughts on this.....

--bonera--nesta--maldini--zambro--

--------pirlo---------flamini-------

--beckham---dinho---kaka-----

------------borriello--------------


its pretty attacking, but i really have no problem with that. Kaka drifting left and cutting in has been working well for him. beckham on rw is documented.... ronnie when in a center roll scores alot, and obviously borriello is our most physical striker.... bonera at RB to add defense (hence dropping janku :-/). Zambro is tactically smart enough to know when to make his runs... also flamini or gattuso in holding roll there will protect him

 

[Ashish]

^^ if pato wont play i will kill beckham and ancelotti. He kaka & flamini are our future

 

[N3d0]

^^ if pato wont play i will kill beckham and ancelotti. He kaka & flamini are our future

What's up with that whining about Pato not playing? As far as I can remember he played in every match so far, so please knock off this bullshit.

 

[Senatore_M84]

kaka and flamini r our present, pato is our future, but he is ONLY 19. Ideally i'd like to see gourcuff or moreso someone line ribery in the position i put beckham. but i'm speaking present not next season.

look if that was our attacking front 4, pato is capable of playing all roles and with substitutions and squad rotation he'd see more than enough matches.

 

[Ashish]

What's up with that whining about Pato not playing? As far as I can remember he played in every match so far, so please knock off this bullshit.

one full game?
or put him in primavera or something he needs more playing time cause his finishing is not gr8. even when borrielo was injured he wasnt given full playing time and thanks to that dunga he is rotting in the brasilian bench.

 

[Senatore_M84]

if we bring abate and gourcuff back our line up next year can feature rotation of kaka, ronnie, gorky, abate, pato in 3 AM positions.... and borriello, pato (and pippo or another striker) in out and out roll.

i know giancarlo is going to bring up how its too offensive so i'll just address that now. It doesnt have to be, defensively it can drop to a 4-5-1 or the 4-3-2-1 with outside midfielders dropping back defensively, perhaps more so say gourcuff/beckham than kaka. I will also say, if antonini's defense continues to address, nesta comes back and we sign another quality CB we wont need to play 2-3 dm's in a formation at all times to protect our backline

personally i love the style of play a the 4-2-3-1, especially with spaletti's roma. I think we lack a player or so to run it (abate/gourcuff could be that guy) but when that layer comes we'll run it way better. Sure we may not have totti or de rossi, but aside from that (and the emergence of aquilani) roma has alot of average players.....

 

[N3d0]

one full game?
or put him in primavera or something he needs more playing time cause his finishing is not gr8. even when borrielo was injured he wasnt given full playing time and thanks to that dunga he is rotting in the brasilian bench.

Your understanding of football is really limited. Pato is only 19 for crying out loud. He can't play every game for the 90 minutes. He's not Wayne Rooney. He still needs to improve a lot, and if he continues with his hard work, results will come so will his finishing. Also note that Pato is not type of striker like Borri is so his finishing doesn't have to be at it's best. His role is to create space for our target man which is Borri in this case.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Your understanding of football is really limited. Pato is only 19 for crying out loud. He can't play every game for the 90 minutes. He's not Wayne Rooney. He still needs to improve a lot, and if he continues with his hard work, results will come so will his finishing. Also note that Pato is not type of striker like Borri is so his finishing doesn't have to be at it's best. His role is to create space for our target man which is Borri in this case.

i think pato plays alot for a 19 year old. Look at other teenage stars. Bojan and balotelli. They dont see as much time as pato. As long as pato doesnt see prolonged bench like gourcuff its fine. Also if bori and pippo r doing well consistantly its ok. Its when they r sucking but carlo wont give pato runs that the problem is.

as for ur note on pato. I disagree, i think he is very selfish. he's not a support striker like totti was or rooney persay. He looks for his own shot. I think he's skilled enough to play both rolls, but in my opinion his movement, his runs, he wants to lead the line not pass. He isnt a physical striker like boriello, or a poacher like pippo... but he could be like torres or henry. Look at torres at 19 (actually bad example... he scored 19 goals and was captain...but also for an atletico squad which was looking to give him opportunities and a much smaller club in stature than milan)

 

[Ashish]

you might be right

but one concern about pato is he is not able to express himself, he lacks confidence my view. It might because of my less understanding of football, that i think pato lacks confidence and i never want another talent going down. he is huge guys we have to develop him, cr7 was shit in his first few season but ferggie give him time and space and now he is one of the best btw patos condition is better than super mario. and one more thing i dont believe in your fav coach when it comes for the development of youngsters(its personal opinion)

 

[N3d0]

i think pato plays alot for a 19 year old. Look at other teenage stars. Bojan and balotelli. They dont see as much time as pato. As long as pato doesnt see prolonged bench like gourcuff its fine. Also if bori and pippo r doing well consistantly its ok. Its when they r sucking but carlo wont give pato runs that the problem is.

as for ur note on pato. I disagree, i think he is very selfish. he's not a support striker like totti was or rooney persay. He looks for his own shot. I think he's skilled enough to play both rolls, but in my opinion his movement, his runs, he wants to lead the line not pass. He isnt a physical striker like boriello, or a poacher like pippo... but he could be like torres or henry. Look at torres at 19 (actually bad example... he scored 19 goals and was captain...but also for an atletico squad which was looking to give him opportunities and a much smaller club in stature than milan)

I understand your point and I partially agree, but you can't really blame him for his selfishness. He is young and he is still learning. While he was at Internacional it was different because in Brazil they have different approach to the game. The good thing about his young age is that he can develop into something like the combination of Totti and Rooney. In order to develop properly he has to get a lot of games under his belt and Carlo is doing really good job so far. Like I said before his finishing will come with time, and I'm sure that we'll see a lot more from Pato as he is certainly capable of becoming one of the best players in the game.

 

[Senatore_M84]

perhaps he needs to play more, i dont see a lack in confidence though. Not like gilardino or gourcuff.

 

[Ashish]

perhaps he needs to play more, i dont see a lack in confidence though. Not like gilardino or gourcuff.

he has those instincts to shoot and score wonderful goals but i dont think he looks for silly dribbles, i hope he looks for dribbling i dont want him to be stand alone striker he should rip apart defenses similar to what kaka(only few aspects) did when he played as second striker. pato can mould into a young sheva(hope so)

he should be paired with sheva or pipo for 70 80 minutes when borri is out or want rest cause they have lot of experience and can teach something, never ever pippo and sheva together untilll both youngsters are totally fatgued.

bori+sheva piipo running at 60 minute mark for sheva or pato+pippo with sheva in for one of them.

Anyway this team is 100X better than last years so something is improving might be transfers might be team work might be last years debacle, hope we wins scudetto.

 

[Giancarlo]

i think pato plays alot for a 19 year old. Look at other teenage stars. Bojan and balotelli. They dont see as much time as pato. As long as pato doesnt see prolonged bench like gourcuff its fine. Also if bori and pippo r doing well consistantly its ok. Its when they r sucking but carlo wont give pato runs that the problem is.

as for ur note on pato. I disagree, i think he is very selfish. he's not a support striker like totti was or rooney persay. He looks for his own shot. I think he's skilled enough to play both rolls, but in my opinion his movement, his runs, he wants to lead the line not pass. He isnt a physical striker like boriello, or a poacher like pippo... but he could be like torres or henry. Look at torres at 19 (actually bad example... he scored 19 goals and was captain...but also for an atletico squad which was looking to give him opportunities and a much smaller club in stature than milan)

I agree with you on the first paragraph. Poor Bojan though... he's been nearly dropped from Barca... I like Pato though... he works well with other strikers. I think you might think he's selfish, but I think he'll work better with a striker partner.

 

[Senatore_M84]

i agree he works better w/ a partner as most strikers peticularly young ones. my only point is he worked well w/ sheva (whose a support striker). He doesnt need to be paired w/ borriello although it'd work. He's versitile... and i think his future is as a goal scorer, not a creator.

 

[N3d0]

i agree he works better w/ a partner as most strikers peticularly young ones. my only point is he worked well w/ sheva (whose a support striker). He doesnt need to be paired w/ borriello although it'd work. He's versitile... and i think his future is as a goal scorer, not a creator.

I wouldn't mind if he develops into creator and a goal scorer

 

[Giancarlo]

i agree he works better w/ a partner as most strikers peticularly young ones. my only point is he worked well w/ sheva (whose a support striker). He doesnt need to be paired w/ borriello although it'd work. He's versitile... and i think his future is as a goal scorer, not a creator.

You're quite right.

But I like him and Borriello, as I like the way Borriello makes openings with his physical presence, and how Pato would take advantage of them...

But Pato is so versatile... and yes he will be a definite goal scorer...

 

[MassterMark]

it would be nice if pato will be support striker for boriello, like kaka. pato cant stand alone in attack like bori, and playing with 3 attackers maybe would be more effective than with 2.
so we should have pato & kaka and bori on top of attack.

 

[Marcus]

If Milan did play that formation you have in your sig, they'd lose to FK Maribor.

 

[MassterMark]

If Milan did play that formation you have in your sig, they'd lose to FK Maribor.

this is only your humbly oppinion...

 

[MilanFan009]

this is only your humbly oppinion...

Ok fine. They'd lose to the Montreal Impact.

 

[MassterMark]

tooo much writings, lets throw out another formation:

....................Handanovič/Abbiati....................

.......Senderos/Ramos...Nesta...Antonini.......

.............Flamini.......Seedorf/Hernanes.............

..Gourcuff/Ben.Arfa....Pato....Kaka'....Ronaldinho/Thiago.Neves..

.................Boriello/Balotelli.................​

 

[Giancarlo]

tooo much writings, lets throw out another formation:

....................Handanovič/Abbiati....................

.......Senderos/Ramos...Nesta...Antonini.......

.............Flamini.......Seedorf/Hernanes.............

..Gourcuff/Ben.Arfa....Pato....Kaka'....Ronaldinho/Thiago.Neves..

.................Boriello/Balotelli.................​

lol. Even the LA galaxy could beat that... that's hilarious.

 

[Senatore_M84]

u really think la galaxy can beat a team w/ kaka and ronaldinho and seedorf and nestA?

 

[Giancarlo]

u really think la galaxy can beat a team w/ kaka and ronaldinho and seedorf and nestA?

I know.. I was just poking fun at how ridiculous that formation is... like every other one he posts...

 

[MassterMark]

giancarlo is realy stupid...

 

[Giancarlo]

giancarlo is realy stupid...

Anyone can look at the formations you post and say I'm probably Einstein for saying it...

You don't know anything about where players should go...

 

[Marcus]

giancarlo is realy stupid...

MassterMark is "realy" stupid, the way I see it. Throwing personal insults is no way to win an argument, and that's what you've been doing all your time here.

Anyway, I'm willing to give a chance to giving you a chance to explain some things:

1. Why Handanovic? Have we ever been linked to him? Is there any way he might join us in near future? Same goes for Thiago Neves, Hernandes and Ben Arfa. As far as I remember this thread is for current Milan squad only, and dream formations with dream transfers don't really fit.

2. This formation is very attack minded with it practically having 2 strong defensive players + one converted winger to a wing back in defense. That is hardly enough to hold a solid slow buildup. Having Seedorf just before of the defense is a recipe for disaster. A slow, attack minded player who has publicly said he wants to play as trequartista is a poor choice for a defensive midfielder. So really, it would suffer in many games, especially in Italy where strong defenses don't let many goals through and tend to squeeze one or two attacks through every now and then.

3. A midfield line of Gourcuff/Ben Arfa, Pato, Kaka, Dinho and Neves isn't a midfield at all. Of all those only Gourcuff is a true midfielder, while Pato and Neves are attackers and Dinho and Kaka are attacking midfielders which really work better just behind the striker or even sometimes as the main attack force while the striker messes up the defense. What would be more reasonable with this team is a 3-4-3 formation which would, again, be useless in Serie A (see Milan-Inter 28. IV 2008). This way, the midfield will play very wide and with out the support of a solid backdrop and center, it would be on it's back foot all the time.

4. Marco/Mario up front alone? No problem, but while Marco has a certain ability, the constant going up and down will wear him out and he'd have trouble scoring. He lacks the pace to play in tune with the team style, which will ultimately be counter-attacking. With the team dropping backwards, defense under heavy pressure, midfield unable to connect more than 5 passes and playing long direct balls upwards/sideways, there is no other choice. While Mario is a better choice as he is a bit faster, he lacks the experience. The kid will probably go off after a few games without scoring and shoot himself in a hotel room.

I can think of a lot more, but I'm tired of typing.

 

[MassterMark]

MassterMark is realy smart, the way I see it. Throwing personal insults is no way to win an argument, and that's what you've been doing all your time here.

Anyway, I'm willing to give a chance to giving you a chance to explain some things:

1. Why Handanovic? Have we ever been linked to him? Is there any way he might join us in near future? Same goes for Thiago Neves, Hernandes and Ben Arfa. As far as I remember this thread is for current Milan squad only, and dream formations with dream transfers don't really fit.

2. This formation is very attack minded with it practically having 2 strong defensive players + one converted winger to a wing back in defense. That is hardly enough to hold a solid slow buildup. Having Seedorf just before of the defense is a recipe for disaster. A slow, attack minded player who has publicly said he wants to play as trequartista is a poor choice for a defensive midfielder. So really, it would suffer in many games, especially in Italy where strong defenses don't let many goals through and tend to squeeze one or two attacks through every now and then.

3. A midfield line of Gourcuff/Ben Arfa, Pato, Kaka, Dinho and Neves isn't a midfield at all. Of all those only Gourcuff is a true midfielder, while Pato and Neves are attackers and Dinho and Kaka are attacking midfielders which really work better just behind the striker or even sometimes as the main attack force while the striker messes up the defense. What would be more reasonable with this team is a 3-4-3 formation which would, again, be useless in Serie A (see Milan-Inter 28. IV 2008). This way, the midfield will play very wide and with out the support of a solid backdrop and center, it would be on it's back foot all the time.

4. Marco/Mario up front alone? No problem, but while Marco has a certain ability, the constant going up and down will wear him out and he'd have trouble scoring. He lacks the pace to play in tune with the team style, which will ultimately be counter-attacking. With the team dropping backwards, defense under heavy pressure, midfield unable to connect more than 5 passes and playing long direct balls upwards/sideways, there is no other choice. While Mario is a better choice as he is a bit faster, he lacks the experience. The kid will probably go off after a few games without scoring and shoot himself in a hotel room.

I can think of a lot more, but I'm tired of typing.

1. we have been linked with allmost every player on the planet. but you are right here about handanovic, i think we havent been linked with him, but we should be!
2. i throw in defence one of best defenders on earth, and 2 great defending midfielders, so it should be enough for defence. (hernanes is DM)
3.i think that this attacking midfield would dominate all over the world. so dont panic
4. marco wont be alone in attack. there would be kaka & pato very close to him in attack. so i see this actualy as 3 attackers.