Super Berlusconi + Galliani Thread

Should Galliani stay or go?


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Curupira

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No no no baldie

We were fine as we are in defense and midfield that we had the funds to splash 12m on a garbage backup striker

fuckin' snake

I remember him saying something like "5 people do not dictate our transfer plans, Allegri asked for a back up CF and that's what we will get" or something along those lines in response to the "Matri No Grazie" and "We need a CB and CDM" banners in Curva Sud.

You know what the funny part is? Precisely about 5 people dictated our transfer plans. :g:, Allegri, Marotta and maybe about 2 fans who liked Matri.
 

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galliani at times is a waste of air .how can you come out and say we need to be patient cause we started badly last season...does that mean it's ok then.we are also facing a point deficit that's higher than last season and there is no guarantee we will have the run of wins that we had last season .

he comes out and says defence wins leagues and yet ..no one.he comes out and says we don't need matri and then we get him.i know the usually galliani shit but in a crisis just shut up and admit mistakes were made.
 

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galliani at times is a waste of air .how can you come out and say we need to be patient cause we started badly last season...does that mean it's ok then.we are also facing a point deficit that's higher than last season and there is no guarantee we will have the run of wins that we had last season .

he comes out and says defence wins leagues and yet ..no one.he comes out and says we don't need matri and then we get him.i know the usually galliani shit but in a crisis just shut up and admit mistakes were made.

You are talking about a guy that thinks a season starts in Jan and ends in Dec

Or a guy who alters numbers to suit his own fuckin' reality

How many times did he boast that we collected the most points in the year? Or collected the most points in the second half of the season? Or had the best defensive record in the second half of the season?

It's like the dude suffers from selective amnesia or something
 

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Milan was a famous club before Berlu. It may had fallen on hard times before his takeover, but that doesnt change THAT history. Just because he has done a lot for this club does not mean he gets the license to run it to the ground. People do not want to throw him as quickly as Traore as you keep suggesting

We have had one fuckup after another even before the CL success of 2007. The club has been mismanaged from to top to bottom leading it to the dire financial state it is right now. At this point in time, unless there is a major overhaul, the future of this club looks pretty bleak. I would rather stick with Berlu as the owner, but if doesnt give a fuck anymore, why the fuck bother?

We have no stadium, our revenue keeps dwindling, our squad is below average considering what we paid for it and our wage bill continues to be amongst the highest in football despite not having a squad worthy of the top 10.....

I get much of your frustration but I'm still reluctant of changing a president. I also get Milan is Mr B's toy and viceverse - iirc his own poltiical party somehow gained strength just after it was announced that Milan had signed Balotelli (all hoax maybe but whatever).

Still, take a look at PSG and M City - the respective management hasn't been there for a while and yet just recently they wanted to change the club's identity:

-Change Paris SG to simply Paris because people don't know about Saint-Germain. Lol?

-Change Manchester City to Manchester Hunters because it's a "shorter name" and people associate that better. Lol?

They still pump in lots of cash which I'm sure the fans (and the league) are grateful for. But if Milan were to have some stupid moron doing the same shit then I rather stick with an unpassionate Mr B and this sinking ship.
 

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dont worry guys 50 years from now i'll be wealthy enough to purchase milan
 

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I get much of your frustration but I'm still reluctant of changing a president. I also get Milan is Mr B's toy and viceverse - iirc his own poltiical party somehow gained strength just after it was announced that Milan had signed Balotelli (all hoax maybe but whatever).

Still, take a look at PSG and M City - the respective management hasn't been there for a while and yet just recently they wanted to change the club's identity:

-Change Paris SG to simply Paris because people don't know about Saint-Germain. Lol?

-Change Manchester City to Manchester Hunters because it's a "shorter name" and people associate that better. Lol?

They still pump in lots of cash which I'm sure the fans (and the league) are grateful for. But if Milan were to have some stupid moron doing the same shit then I rather stick with an unpassionate Mr B and this sinking ship.

You presume every new owner would do that. Both PSG and Man City were unknowns before their owners took over. The same is unlikely to happen to Milan, which is a very strong and very powerful global brand. I am pretty sure any man who has done business understands the importance of the brand. And any sensible man would know better to try to fiddle with it.

I mean, the last change the club had worked out pretty well for us didnt it? Who's to say the next one wont?

p.s. - If you look it up, you will realize that both of PSG's and Man City's owners are doing more than just pumping money into the clubs. They are laying a foundation to secure the clubs future. Chelsea went through a similar thing when Abramovich took over, except his style of ownership has been more short term....

p.p.s. - how is what you mentioned worse than the club being run to the ground? Do you want us to become the next Ajax and be completely irrelevant in the european football scene?
 
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Do I paint everything black OR white? No.

PSG was not a "nobody" as you stated (having raised a couple of great players and being a great team themselves in 90´s). They are claiming back their previous glory through money-injection, just like AS Monaco.

I wish them good luck, especially Ibra, but it still doesn't change that fact that the new management of PSG dared to fuck up their team's identity just to satisfy their own cause.

And here lies the problem - It doesn't matter what kind of strength the brand has, IF you own it you can choose to fuck it up or not. Who is to stop you when you hold the majority of the stocks? And having the purchase power would mean that you can afford to treat the club as your toy, it doesn't matter if this is a completely illogical move, the option is there because of the money - that is the power of an owner.

And I'm aware Mr B is caring less for the team (otherwise we wouldn't even discuss this) but at least we know he used to have a heart and poured his all into the club. Maybe him stepping down from the political sphere will do Milan good..or bad..or noting.. If we get a replacement in the form of Rybolovlev I would feel pretty good (of what I've read) but In the end, switching ownership means you're in for a gamble and it should be treated as such. That's why we should be careful with what we wish.
 

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We need to hire Furio to clean up the house:o
 

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Do I paint everything black OR white? No.

PSG was not a "nobody" as you stated (having raised a couple of great players and being a great team themselves in 90´s). They are claiming back their previous glory through money-injection, just like AS Monaco.

I wish them good luck, especially Ibra, but it still doesn't change that fact that the new management of PSG dared to fuck up their team's identity just to satisfy their own cause.

And here lies the problem - It doesn't matter what kind of strength the brand has, IF you own it you can choose to fuck it up or not. Who is to stop you when you hold the majority of the stocks? And having the purchase power would mean that you can afford to treat the club as your toy, it doesn't matter if this is a completely illogical move, the option is there because of the money - that is the power of an owner.

And I'm aware Mr B is caring less for the team (otherwise we wouldn't even discuss this) but at least we know he used to have a heart and poured his all into the club. Maybe him stepping down from the political sphere will do Milan good..or bad..or noting.. If we get a replacement in the form of Rybolovlev I would feel pretty good (of what I've read) but In the end, switching ownership means you're in for a gamble and it should be treated as such. That's why we should be careful with what we wish.

PSG WAS a nobody. No matter which way you swing it - thats the plain truth. Tell me, how many people even knew about PSG or gave a shit about it before the Qataris took over? The club was founded only in the 70s, wasnt even amongst the top clubs in France with their biggest claim to fame being the club which Ronaldinho played for.

So no offense, but it is much easier to get away with the name change than a club of international repute. Not to mention, there wasn't much loyalty from its home fans to beginwith.

Anyone who has dones business or studied it knows that it is bloody risky (and almost suicidal) to mess with a brand. Brands are not just signs, symbols, slogans, logos etc. It is equity and it is worth a lot. The Milan brand is a globally recognized brand and Milan has a massive international fan base. Its MUCH MORE harder to get away with fiddling with the brand than it would have been if this club had no history of note.

Did the Glazers fiddle with Man Utd's brand when they took over? Did Abramovich fiddle with Chelsea's? The stronger the brand, the harder it is to mess with it. Plus only an idiot would try to mess around with a strong brand when they dont need to. The brand acts as an identifier for the club and is key to it's reputation, merchandising sales, reach etc.

So yes, everything is not black and white. Yes, it's a risk to change ownership and neither am I advocating for any numbnut to take over. But neither is it feasible to stick with an owner that does not give a shit with the club seems to be heading into the direction of being another Ajax. Business is all about risk. Would you have said the same thing if you were one of the people that was there when the previous management was around?
 

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My apology, I somehow recalled that the old PSG did good in CL... but it was in fact in EL (they won it), sorry.

The reason to why I brought up fiddling with a brand was because that was som stupid and recent attempt from a new managment - you mentioned the Glazers and while they haven't done this as new owners, they HAVE off-loaded personal debts to the club. It's a legal move but nonetheless a very shitty move from the fans point of view and it puts the mangement in bad light. Iirc Liverpool shared the same kind of moments with their new owners - both being strong brands (at least stronger than PSG).

But I won't dwell more, there are different types of owners and Milan were glad to have the flamboyant type that Mr B was; one who wanted the best players and got the best. Strengthning the team that way. I'm not expecting him to show that kind of dedication again but I will await a few more season to see what his mindset will be.

EDIT: One more thing, I'm probably one of very few who still has hope and faith in Allegri. It's very slim but if he bring forward any set of ideas and implent them properly when we're facing Udinese, then he still has my support. That might explain why I'm also willing to keep Mr B. Foolish maybe, yes, but still.
 
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galliani,

our fearless leader, leading the modernization of milan and serie A, but saying territorial discrimination is ok... but not racism.


:g::g:

:fp::fp:
 

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galliani,

our fearless leader, leading the modernization of milan and serie A, but saying territorial discrimination is ok... but not racism.


:g::g:

:fp::fp:

Curious: Are you aware of any reasonable-sized country where a serious sport is played and the home fans do not make fun of the away team's region within the country? This does not happen in the US?
 

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^Thought so. It's hardwired in humans to be that way. Rather silly to punish territorial discrimination among large sporting crowds during matches.
 

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ya..other fans standing up for their right to insult each other kinda shows the silliness

it's endearing and cute
 

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Some rumors claim that Galliani may leave Milan at the end of the season, and that Maldini may join the management (not necessary as a Ceo)

NOOOOOO.
 

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Curious: Are you aware of any reasonable-sized country where a serious sport is played and the home fans do not make fun of the away team's region within the country? This does not happen in the US?

Obviously, it's not remotely the same as racism against minorities. Happens in Denmark as well, and I have yet to meet anyone who gets offended by this kinda thing.

Also I think penalizing this that harshly takes attention away from the real problem. The bans a total joke when looking at the fines other clubs got for making monkey sounds and what not last year...
 
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These kind of rivarlies is a part of the game, happens alot in Sweden and I have yet to seen anyone being punished for it.
 

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...to have the flamboyant type that Mr B was; one who wanted the best players and got the best. Strengthning the team that way. I'm not expecting him to show that kind of dedication again but I will await a few more season to see what his mindset will be.
I read somewhere that Milan fans mostly were left-wing, while Berlu is right-wing.

With this, I think Berlu was using Milan to gain left-wing (his political opposition) voice in politics. If I'm not mistaken, just before he run for PM election, Berlu bought reinforcements (Ibra, T. Silva, etc.). Then after he lost the election, the next year if I'm not mistaken, we started to sell our stars that we just bought. And now we mostly buy lesser quality players or out-of-contracts players from other clubs.

I don't know the truth, whether his political agenda has something to do with Milan not willing to spend money or not...but it looks like it. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in Italian politics could add something to this.

About the rumor of Galliani parting...
I think Galliani is still useful for us, his bargaining skills are quite impressive sometimes.
 

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Curious: Are you aware of any reasonable-sized country where a serious sport is played and the home fans do not make fun of the away team's region within the country? This does not happen in the US?

I remember to really laugh reading a blog in some NHL game, I think was Detroit against Nashville.
Detroit fans would make redneck jokes (the kind of you marry your sisters) and the people from Nashville would of course mock Detroit bankruptcy and it was all pretty over the top.
I think those are tiring for locals, but for a foreign like me it was really funny to read.
 

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in belgium, there are a lot of flesmish against wallons jokes, once a team got fined because of this.....unfortunatly supporters are still doing and so are the politicians

the football commite can't do anything about it because a lot of politicians are against wallony
 

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The 69-year-old is determined to strengthen the squad in the next transfer window but maintains their season can still prove successful despite their inauspicious start
AC Milan CEO Adriano Galliani has vowed to strengthen the side during the January transfer window, though he insists their season is by no means a write-off just yet.

The Rossoneri have managed just eight points from their opening seven games in Serie A, with injuries blighting the early part of their campaign.

However, Galliani has stressed there is no reason to panic given the reversal of fortunes the side enjoyed in the second half of 2012-13.

Speaking to reporters after the announcement of a new lucrative sponsorship deal with Adidas, he said: "I'm sure we will strengthen. Someone will come, but I have no idea what nationality these arrivals will be.

"We've just finished the summer market. Milan's intention now is to recover the big players who are injured and look for further engagement in the January transfer window.

"In football, results count. If things are not going well, you have to shut up; when things are going good, you can speak.

"In sport, there are always fears, and by definition it is cyclical. We hope to repeat the path of last year.

"Milan's season is not as bad as it looks. Our goal was to reach the Champions League group stages. We will try to recapture our place for the upcoming season.

"Over the past three years we have won the Scudetto and we were on top [in 2011-12] until an injury to Thiago Silva. I learned not to get depressed when you lose and not get too excited when you win."




















A question from Brazil in this afternoon’s press conference: “Which Milan jersey is your favorite?”

Adriano Galliani: “The Milan 2002-2003 top. We won a very special Champions League beating Inter in the semi-final and Juventus in the final. That win has a special place in my heart.”
 
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For once I actually hauled my ass to the library and..just happend to pick out a book about Mr B. Gonna read it, might find something cool. If I do I might share ;)
 

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Silvio Berlusconi has been paying his second and ex-wife Veronica Lario, 36 million euro a year.
www.silvio-berlusconi-fc.com/2012/12/Silvio-Berlusconi-wife-Veronica-Lario-separation.html?m=1

So, who we would have bought with at 36 millions every year since 2012?

More reasons why Berlu should leave for good. He has too many personal issues and it is effecting our beloved club.

Milan being self-sustainable financially has nothing to do with how much Berlu pays his ex-wife.

Bayern is self-sustainable, Arsenal is self-sustainable. No reason why we shouldn't aim for the same. The way we execute it is a different discussion altogether.
 

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Obviously, it's not remotely the same as racism against minorities. Happens in Denmark as well, and I have yet to meet anyone who gets offended by this kinda thing.

Also I think penalizing this that harshly takes attention away from the real problem. The bans a total joke when looking at the fines other clubs got for making monkey sounds and what not last year...

These kind of rivarlies is a part of the game, happens alot in Sweden and I have yet to seen anyone being punished for it.

I remember to really laugh reading a blog in some NHL game, I think was Detroit against Nashville.
Detroit fans would make redneck jokes (the kind of you marry your sisters) and the people from Nashville would of course mock Detroit bankruptcy and it was all pretty over the top.
I think those are tiring for locals, but for a foreign like me it was really funny to read.

I don't see this interpretation of the law lasting too long. Too many people against it.

The problem is that FIFA has given associations the leeway to determine whether territorial discrimination comes under abuse that they dont want in stadiums. No other country bar Italy has done this so far.

Marcotti had written this when the first issue with Napoli happened. http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/9624?cc=4716

This is where the folks who run the game need to think long and hard about what they're doing, how they're going to apply the rules and to what degree they're prepared to make value judgments on what forms of abuse are acceptable and which ones aren't. Because this is only going to work with very clear, hard and fast rules. And once it spreads to UEFA, it’s going to change the climate at games forever.

I hope it doesn't.
 

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