The Rumour Commode XLVII: Foamseca is out

[Caladan]

We had enough for Pulisic and Reijnders, but not to fix the rest of the bench.
Go back and check that 22/23 season bench mate.
Rebic imploded, CDK did fuck all, Adli was adapting and underused, Vrannkx? Bakayoko? Fode Ballo Toure? Origi? Kjaer Ageing. What else was there? Dest? Ibra? Injured and not performing.
How many were last minute loans, how many actually performed for the club when needed?

The only one remaing from that bench right now was Thiaw and Gabbia.

Tonali's sale fixed multiple problems, not just the major one at RW.

This was what we had to field in a match before a UCL Quarter Final second leg.
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Sure we better bench and we are 9 th place.

 

[Caladan]

Careful with that sort of logic, it throws too many ideological thoughts, agendas and narratives outta whack and might cause irreversible damage to the delicate RnB ecosystems x

It started.

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

We had enough for Pulisic and Reijnders, but not to fix the rest of the bench.
Go back and check that 22/23 season bench mate.
Rebic imploded, CDK did fuck all, Adli was adapting and underused, Vrannkx? Bakayoko? Fode Ballo Toure? Origi? Kjaer Ageing. What else was there? Dest? Ibra? Injured and not performing.
How many were last minute loans, how many actually performed for the club when needed?

The only one remaing from that bench right now was Thiaw and Gabbia.

Tonali's sale fixed multiple problems, not just the major one at RW.

This was what we had to field in a match before a UCL Quarter Final second leg.
View attachment 48952

Would you say we've actually fixed the issue of quality depth?

Even with the Sandro money?

I'd rather have Sandro currently than the wasted money on, take your pick of players.

Any way you cut we've mismanaged funds and it's allocation.


This is one of those round and round discussions though depending on what your take is.

For the supposed good the Sandro money did, we also wasted a ton of money.

Sandro right now, in this team, you could argue would be top 4!!?

 

[Samaldinho]

It's kinda funny that Fonseca has Lyon in 7th place but I haven't heard about that here.

 

[Ryo]

Would you say we've actually fixed the issue of quality depth?

Even with the Sandro money?

I'd rather have Sandro currently than the wasted money on, take your pick of players.

Any way you cut we've mismanaged funds and it's allocation.


This is one of those round and round discussions though depending on what your take is.

For the supposed good the Sandro money did, we also wasted a ton of money.

Sandro right now, in this team, you could argue would be top 4!!?

Mismanaged money only if you take a look at current year in isolation.
RLC performed for us last year, Okafor performed for us last year, Jovic is consistent last year and this year. Our bench had the highest goal conversion rate in Europe's top 5 leagues last season.

Tomori was a Maldini signing, the year we signed him, we won the league, same with Mike. This year in isolation though both have massively underperformed. Does that make them "bad signings"?

All told, the bench this year and last year, because of Tonali's sale, doesn't give me heart attacks like the one we had in 22/23. That in itself is an improvement. Was everyone complaining about those bench players when we were 2nd last season?

 

[Beppe]

We had enough for Pulisic and Reijnders, but not to fix the rest of the bench.
Go back and check that 22/23 season bench mate.
Rebic imploded, CDK did fuck all, Adli was adapting and underused, Vrannkx? Bakayoko? Fode Ballo Toure? Origi? Kjaer Ageing. What else was there? Dest? Ibra? Injured and not performing.
How many were last minute loans, how many actually performed for the club when needed?

The only one remaing from that bench right now was Thiaw and Gabbia.

Tonali's sale fixed multiple problems, not just the major one at RW.

This was what we had to field in a match before a UCL Quarter Final second leg.
View attachment 48952

Vranckx is no worse than Musah, and Musah cost us 20m, Vrancx nothing.
Kalulu right now would be one of our better defenders and he cost us 0.
CDK had proven to be a very good player, wouldn’t have mind him staying.
Florenzi is bettr than Emerson Royal, too bad for his injury record.
Pobega even today would’ve been usefull, though no world beater offcourse.
Sealemaekers is better than Chuck and he cost us 7m, chuck cost us over 20m!
Rebic and Okafor are somewhat same quality, but injured a lot but scoring clutch goals at times. But Okafor cost us double what Rebic cost us.

When Maldini left we were still building, if management wouldve given him the money he would’ve bought us a good bench! But he had to so with scraps.

 

[Beppe]

Vranckx is no worse than Musah, and Musah cost us 20m, Vrancx nothing.
Kalulu right now would be one of our better defenders and he cost us 0.
CDK had proven to be a very good player, wouldn’t have mind him staying.
Florenzi is bettr than Emerson Royal, too bad for his injury record.
Pobega even today would’ve been usefull, though no world beater offcourse.
Sealemaekers is better than Chuck and he cost us 7m, chuck cost us over 20m!
Rebic and Okafor are somewhat same quality, but injured a lot but scoring clutch goals at times. But Okafor cost us double what Rebic cost us.

When Maldini left we were still building, if management wouldve given him the money he would’ve bought us a good bench! But he had to so with scraps.

+ we are fuckin 9th now!!

 

[Ryo]

Vranckx is no worse than Musah, and Musah cost us 20m, Vrancx nothing.
Kalulu right now would be one of our better defenders and he cost us 0.
CDK had proven to be a very good player, wouldn’t have mind him staying.
Florenzi is bettr than Emerson Royal, too bad for his injury record.
Pobega even today would’ve been usefull, though no world beater offcourse.
Sealemaekers is better than Chuck and he cost us 7m, chuck cost us over 20m!
Rebic and Okafor are somewhat same quality, but injured a lot but scoring clutch goals at times. But Okafor cost us double what Rebic cost us.

When Maldini left we were still building, if management wouldve given him the money he would’ve bought us a good bench! But he had to so with scraps.

Is Salad better than Pulisic though? Salad and Messias were our starting RW in 22/23. Apples to apples.

 

[Beppe]

Is Salad better than Pulisic though? Salad and Messias were our starting RW in 22/23. Apples to apples.

You were talking about bench players, I was comparing our bench players. We paid a lot of money for our bench players we have today! And they are shit

 

[DonSilvio]

So Alonso to replace Carlo who is likely being pushed out. I get that you gotta usher in a new era with a new manager at some point but Alonso? Good luck with that

 

[Ryo]

You were talking about bench players, I was comparing our bench players. We paid a lot of money for our bench players we have today! And they are shit

Are they shittier than the half loanees, half declining, some about to retire bench that we had in 22/23?

Because that's what we spent the money to replace.

 

[rossonero23]

Why did we sign bondo???

 

[Ryo]

Why did we sign bondo???

One for the future.
Next season he's Italian trained, so French but "Homegrown".

 

[AC Kid]

So Alonso to replace Carlo who is likely being pushed out. I get that you gotta usher in a new era with a new manager at some point but Alonso? Good luck with that

Hes earned his chance.. he did really well at Bayer…. Plus hes a former madrid player it was the obvious choice imo

 

[KujaIX]

We had enough money for Tijanii and Pulisic without selling Tonali.
Tonali next season will play CL and Tijanii not.

This season Bruno Fernandes will finish 16th.

Yes, I know they will get CL if they win EL, my point is that where a team finishes does not necessarily reflect quality.

 

[Beppe]

Are they shittier than the half loanees, half declining, some about to retire bench that we had in 22/23?

Because that's what we spent the money to replace.

Forget it my friend, we are 9th! 9th!! It aint working what this mgmt is doing.

 

[Samaldinho]

I mean....you can't say that when he's been so good for them.
He's been critical to their success.
Hell, he was great for us before he left.
The guy is an elite passer and is good with the dead ball.
Does he have flaws? Yes. So does Leao, Theo, Pulisic and Mike.

You're not wrong about Inter being expertly managed though.
Fuck me they lost Hakimi and got better. (See also Lukaku and Oanna)
It reminds me of the Theo situation here.
It's not so much that we love Theo as much as we don't expect Red Bird to adequately replace him

Our current management has a long list of expensive failures. They have eclipsed the waste of CDK and Origi.

Remember when spending 4m on Lazetic was a point of concern? This horrific waste of our limited resources, that 4m here, 2m there (Roback [Ibra recommendation])--mind you, these sorts of transfers happen to all clubs, youth players are going to fail most of the time, but it's the fact that we spent countless hours debating about Lazetic and his fee.

Meanwhile we've spent similar amounts on Vos and Pellegrino. Have we had similar questions asked about them? Nope.

Compare the loans we've made for first-team players. Expensive loans for Felix and Walker haven't worked out. We bought Emerson Royal, Musah, RLC, Chuk, Okafor, Morata, while going for Bondo, who was hurt when he came--and while I cheer for him (and all Milan players) to succeed--we needed someone to help our midfield in January, but he's a young kid, instead we poured our money into Felix, Walker, and Santi Gimenez, who has been benched in favor of Jovic and Tammy, and then we just grabbed Sottil, who seldom plays, and of course, who can forget the masterclass of Terracciano?

On top of all that: so many of our purchases are not on growth decree, players like Chuk, for example. A player who was supposed to be a starter, we're just lucky that Pulisic blossomed.

I find the narrative around our players odd--especially because "players" really only refers to Leao, Theo, and Mike; it never refers to Moncada purchases--they're the lazy ones, the ones who don't care, meanwhile, Okafor, who I like, got really overweight and just stopped playing. Maybe that's on Fonseca making Okafor have to cash cheques that Fonseca was writing? Who knows. He's probably coming back since he hasn't played a minute for Napoli since March and has played a grand total of 36 minutes for Napoli since January.

But you look at the players we sent away: Calabria is helping out Bologna. Why send him away? We sent away Bennacer and didn't replace his profile of player, we just got more runners. Why? Musah and Bondo are similar profile of players, sure they play differently, Musah is more explosive and attacking, Bondo is more industrious--but both of them can't pass, nor is passing a huge part of their game, they aren't great at the tactical side of the game, maybe they're too young, maybe they need time, but like... why bring in Bondo, another project, like Musah, when we need someone else to help Reijnders with the creative burden? RLC isn't creative, either. We have this glut of players we don't need more of.

Pobega could have helped with the lists, the lists that forced us to delay a move for Manu Kone and we lost him to Roma; meanwhile Pobega has helped them have a better season than us.

Then you look at Sales. The kid has been electric for Roma. 6 goals and 6 assists. But you know what's worse? The kid wanted to stay and Fonseca (their coach) wanted him to stay, too. And we sent him away, as well? Fonseca is annoying (and has Lyon in 7th place btw) but the management didn't even support the coach they brought in--and then of course, they changed course with Conceicao, and that went very poorly.

Adli, who just got another assist yesterday, has been great for Fiorentina. He's been injured for the last few months, he can't last very long as he's clearly playing with an injury, it might be serious I fear--and those injuries seem to mean we will get him back, but Adli has 5 goals and 6 assists, that would have been useful when we compare that to RLC, Musah, Bennacer, Bondo, or Terra, right? He's put up those numbers with less minutes than Musah, just so to be clear.

We sent away Kalulu who is going to be bought by Juve. Why buy Pavlovic, who makes mistakes left-and-right but we twist ways into blaming everyone else but him? We're going to sell Thiaw to Bayern, so we can watch another kid bought by the previous regime blossom and we get worse? Moncada's defensive players have been: Pavlovic, Emerson Royal, Walker, and Terra--have any of them been a success? Can we say any of them have had five good games in-a-row?

I hope Pavlovic, Emerson, and Terra (Walker, too) if they stay to turn into Stam, Cafu, Maldini, etc but like at what point do we just... admit that Furlani and Moncada have fucked up so bad that comparing our previous regime to this one is just... hilarious?

We are in 9th place, in a very weak Serie A season--and quite frankly, like you said, what has this management done that we should trust them to sell our biggest players? Their transfer record is absymal and worse yet: they have overseen a worse season than Mirabelli did. That's insane.

 

[Wild]

Would you say we've actually fixed the issue of quality depth?

Even with the Sandro money?

I'd rather have Sandro currently than the wasted money on, take your pick of players.

Any way you cut we've mismanaged funds and it's allocation.


This is one of those round and round discussions though depending on what your take is.

For the supposed good the Sandro money did, we also wasted a ton of money.

Sandro right now, in this team, you could argue would be top 4!!?

Tijjan > Sandro

 

[Wild]

Our current management has a long list of expensive failures. They have eclipsed the waste of CDK and Origi.

Remember when spending 4m on Lazetic was a point of concern? This horrific waste of our limited resources, that 4m here, 2m there (Roback [Ibra recommendation])--mind you, these sorts of transfers happen to all clubs, youth players are going to fail most of the time, but it's the fact that we spent countless hours debating about Lazetic and his fee.

Meanwhile we've spent similar amounts on Vos and Pellegrino. Have we had similar questions asked about them? Nope.

Compare the loans we've made for first-team players. Expensive loans for Felix and Walker haven't worked out. We bought Emerson Royal, Musah, RLC, Chuk, Okafor, Morata, while going for Bondo, who was hurt when he came--and while I cheer for him (and all Milan players) to succeed--we needed someone to help our midfield in January, but he's a young kid, instead we poured our money into Felix, Walker, and Santi Gimenez, who has been benched in favor of Jovic and Tammy, and then we just grabbed Sottil, who seldom plays, and of course, who can forget the masterclass of Terracciano?

On top of all that: so many of our purchases are not on growth decree, players like Chuk, for example. A player who was supposed to be a starter, we're just lucky that Pulisic blossomed.

I find the narrative around our players odd--especially because "players" really only refers to Leao, Theo, and Mike; it never refers to Moncada purchases--they're the lazy ones, the ones who don't care, meanwhile, Okafor, who I like, got really overweight and just stopped playing. Maybe that's on Fonseca making Okafor have to cash cheques that Fonseca was writing? Who knows. He's probably coming back since he hasn't played a minute for Napoli since March and has played a grand total of 36 minutes for Napoli since January.

But you look at the players we sent away: Calabria is helping out Bologna. Why send him away? We sent away Bennacer and didn't replace his profile of player, we just got more runners. Why? Musah and Bondo are similar profile of players, sure they play differently, Musah is more explosive and attacking, Bondo is more industrious--but both of them can't pass, nor is passing a huge part of their game, they aren't great at the tactical side of the game, maybe they're too young, maybe they need time, but like... why bring in Bondo, another project, like Musah, when we need someone else to help Reijnders with the creative burden? RLC isn't creative, either. We have this glut of players we don't need more of.

Pobega could have helped with the lists, the lists that forced us to delay a move for Manu Kone and we lost him to Roma; meanwhile Pobega has helped them have a better season than us.

Then you look at Sales. The kid has been electric for Roma. 6 goals and 6 assists. But you know what's worse? The kid wanted to stay and Fonseca (their coach) wanted him to stay, too. And we sent him away, as well? Fonseca is annoying (and has Lyon in 7th place btw) but the management didn't even support the coach they brought in--and then of course, they changed course with Conceicao, and that went very poorly.

Adli, who just got another assist yesterday, has been great for Fiorentina. He's been injured for the last few months, he can't last very long as he's clearly playing with an injury, it might be serious I fear--and those injuries seem to mean we will get him back, but Adli has 5 goals and 6 assists, that would have been useful when we compare that to RLC, Musah, Bennacer, Bondo, or Terra, right? He's put up those numbers with less minutes than Musah, just so to be clear.

We sent away Kalulu who is going to be bought by Juve. Why buy Pavlovic, who makes mistakes left-and-right but we twist ways into blaming everyone else but him? We're going to sell Thiaw to Bayern, so we can watch another kid bought by the previous regime blossom and we get worse? Moncada's defensive players have been: Pavlovic, Emerson Royal, Walker, and Terra--have any of them been a success? Can we say any of them have had five good games in-a-row?

I hope Pavlovic, Emerson, and Terra (Walker, too) if they stay to turn into Stam, Cafu, Maldini, etc but like at what point do we just... admit that Furlani and Moncada have fucked up so bad that comparing our previous regime to this one is just... hilarious?

We are in 9th place, in a very weak Serie A season--and quite frankly, like you said, what has this management done that we should trust them to sell our biggest players? Their transfer record is absymal and worse yet: they have overseen a worse season than Mirabelli did. That's insane.

 

[Caladan]

This season Bruno Fernandes will finish 16th.

Yes, I know they will get CL if they win EL, my point is that where a team finishes does not necessarily reflect quality.

Yes, I know we will get EL if we win Italian cup which is big success. It is more special than EL final.

 

[Caladan]

Tijjan > Sandro

Sandro>= Tijanni

 

[Caladan]

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[MilanBG]

Pretty crazy to have a mom named Cheek… How do they know her in the hood? Cheek down the block?

 

[MilanBG]

What in the inbred Polish-Mexican Jews is Zolotarchuk?

 

[SecondStar]

Thiaw in 2025

 

[Fabio]

if roma loses against atalanta and juvevslazio ends in a draw this migh actually be interesting. we just need to beat roma next week and we are officially in it at the last day

 

[danilo1899]

This was 8th game (!) under Conc we won after going down first, unbelievable... I don't think we ever did that, at least in this 30 yrs of me following Milan...

 

[SecondStar]

Please keep papa Sergio for next season. Enough of this manager merry-go-round. We need continuity, we need Conceição. Thank you once again, Mister.

 

[voom]

What in the inbred Polish-Mexican Jews is Zolotarchuk?

 

[finnishhacker]

i would love us to be 4th. cant really watch champions league without milan in it