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Musah feels like he'd be a good fit for Conte... he is a willing runner and flashes high level skills, but massively lacks consistency and has suspect decision making.

I can see Conte focusing on the flashes of skill and thinking he can maximize them, because he uses a system that should limit the amount of decision making Musah has to make, which should let him focus on correctly doing the skills portion of his game
Musah has been frustrating here and I hope we do sell him but I can see conte making a player out of him too.

He’s a young guy that’s bounced around a lot of countries already and been used in all different kinds of roles. He’s in need of some confidence and simplicity. Let him stick to a certain spot and get some basic memory and pattern going, and he could become a solid player. Conte is a good fit for that.

This is also something I’m looking forward to with max. Simplifying the roles. A lot of these modern system coaches do too much tinkering and micro managing, sometimes a player just needs to be put in a spot where they feel comfortable and they can grow, easy as that. Doesn’t mean every Milan player will be reinvented with Max but I do think he can get more out several of our current players. Make the team compact in the back, simplify the positions and worry about the tinkering AFTER the team has developed chemistry and identity. Worry about the ceiling of the team after they’ve actually left the floor
 

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Not only for the CWC but including the CWC. That's why everyone was mentioning today as the deadline for the deal. Made it sound like if that didn't happen today it never would.

Yeah but that's a weird logic if really true no? If you want Maignan, you want him because you think he's going to be your starting GK for the next couple of years, CWC or not.

I believe Chelsea will be back later this mercato if Maignan is still available and pushing for a transfer. I mean otherwise, if I was Maignan, I'd question if they really were that serious if they suddenly turn to one of their five other GKs saying: "Well, I guess you were my favorite all along then."
 

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This makes the CF talk make a bit more sense. I was worried Camarda would waste another season riding the bench.

He needs to play. And we won't have that many games to play this season so there will be very little rotation (injuries allowing).

Between riding our bench, Serie D and a loan to Serie B or lower A, I believe a loan is the best move for him.
 

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Is that supposed to be good news? 😮

The targeted players are Rabiot, Rovella, Lucca and strangely no club wishes to take them from City or Cagliari.

Even to buy these pipes they take time to decide. The advantage is that they have time to buy them, no competitor will disturb them to negotiate the price of these scooters sold at the price of motorcycles.
man what is this post

don't give me a notification for this stupid shit again
 

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I think it’s a good opportunity for him. It’s not like he is doing well in club coaching career. Not a lot to lose and maybe something to gain if a bit lucky
At least Gattuso will whip them into shape, give them hell if they play uninspired or lazy like they've been under Spalletti that none of the players said they were sorry to see go.

On a personal level I'm happy for Rino and hope he does well but the pickings are slim. Watched the match on RAI and the analyst Adani said that Serie A is composed of 70% foreign players, which makes our choices limited. I would lower it to 50 and give chances to young players to fill the benches.
 
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If tomorrow we had Adli, Fofana, RLC, Modric, and Xhaka, what would your thoughts be and how would you deploy them?
Modric, Xhaka, Fofana. Might be too defensive and I'd prefer Rabiot over the Swiss mid.
 

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25 m for the black nocerino is amazing.

Conte once signed danny drinkwater for chelsea 😂. This is his next version.

Pretty sure conte signed bakayoko too. Some fans are worried conte will turn musah to a baller, complete laughable bullshit lol
Nocerino was better.
 

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If tomorrow we had Adli, Fofana, RLC, Modric, and Xhaka, what would your thoughts be and how would you deploy them?
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Hm, under Allegri, it is being reported that he's going 433 and if they sell Theo, I think the idea is to get a more defensive LB to provide Leao the space to attack while Pulisic as our RW can pull central and use a more attacking RB to overlap with. I imagine that means Modric is less regista and more mezzala while Xhaka performs your regista duties and Fofana cleans up. The more flat 3-man midfield turns into a 442 in defense, something that Pep, Fonseca, and Conte would all do. Adli can be deployed as backup for both Xhaka and Modric in this setup, RLC can be deployed on the right of the 433 while you put Fofana on the left, depending on your opponents, and I think Bondo stays to provide extra steel and cover--if they are selling Musah I think Bondo is there to replace him as the developmental player who also provides cover for RLC.

If I got to be the SD? I would have appointed De Zerbi and I would want to keep Theo--if they're giving up on Theo I think it means he's got some sort of off-the-field problem(s) that are impacting his play, and if that is the case, I'd understand and probably do the same as them. Absent those issues, if De Zerbi can relaunch him, I'd take that gamble. Of course, how De Zerbi lines up and who he would want is not something I know, and with Marseille he used Rabiot further forward in this 3421 but also went 4231, he's not as dogmatic as people think.

I bring up Theo because it impacts how our midfield lines up. Dodo and Cambiaso are nice options to play RB, but I think if a coach can rehabilitate Theo, he's worth the effort.

If I got my way I'd want to be flexible enough to be as ball-dominant when need be, but pragmatic enough to hit the ball long to fast attackers over-the-top and grind out wins if I had to--essentially I'm a fan of Carlo Ancelotti's chameleon tactical philosophy. In short: my tactics flow from what I have available to me. Last week I only had one winger, so I played a Odegaard-like CM as my LW with a Vitinha-like DM paired with a Polish Yaya Toure DM with a Modric-like kid at CAM who dropped at will, leaving a relentless pressing striker to battle the opponents backline and my outlet was a RW with pure speed, who can only go one direction and shoot with his right, so I didn't think he could cut to his right from the left, and since he's so single-minded I figured "hey, let him do that."

For Milan? Depending on the opponents, I'd play a 4231 with midfield units of: Adli-Xhaka with Modric as CAM, when we really want to possess the ball, especially if we're going to siege a team, and if we need more steel, go Xhaka-Fofana with Modric at CAM, or Adli there if Modric needs a breather (he is 39, after-all) and if we really want to go full-on counter-and-steel put RLC at CAM (from deep a la PSG). Bondo to come in and help as a sub as he learns his trade, etc. I'd want Modric and Xhaka to mentor Adli to be a long-term anchor for us, at worst, he's a good enough squad player.

We would need to invest heavily in the midfield the following season, even if Adli blossomed. Bondo's development would be a huge factor, as well.

I prefer the 4231 or a 433 with a more ^ shape absent some unreal regista. I want a CAM who, when need be, can drop into the midfield to provide defensive cover when the game-state requires, but when we attack, can drop from the CAM spot to provide confusion to the CBs, providing the space for the more attacking of the CMs to run into that space (something that Tiji was great at doing)--but the flexibility of the CAM is crucial for me, someone who can provide the final ball in the final third, keep the ball moving when against a low-block, or unlock teammates when dropping deeper. Modric is one of the best players in history at doing this.

I prefer the 4231 to the (Allegri) 433 because I want us to be ball-dominant, and I like having weapons like Leao, Theo, and Pulisic--and if Santi blossoms then his job becomes far simpler as he doesn't need to be as crucial to build-up play as he will have to be in a 433. I will say that Santi's lack of involvement outside of finishing is a huge worry, he needs to improve there, unless he's just going to be putting up Feyenoord goal scoring numbers in Serie A. It's why Conceicao preferred Jovic to Santi in the 343, where we absorbed pressure and that central link needed to be the striker--but if you have someone in that CAM space who can actually link play, that problem is solved. Fonseca tried Pulisic there and that's not Pulisic's game, it also meant we had Chuk or Musah at RW which failed. Conceicao bet on Felix to do that and he was terrible, there were no alternatives and our midfield could only (attempt) to contain or hit on-the-break, hence the 343.

I think Allegri saw that problem, but being ball-dominant and possession-heavy is not going to be his solution--his solution won't be to keep the ball and impose the game, he's going to want to absorb pressure. I think Allegri is going to use the passing abilities of Modric, Xhaka, Adli, and Fofana (who is actually a better passer than many think) to draw our opponents in, so that Leao and Pulisic can be outlets for more direct play through and over the man-centered pressing patterns that are so prevalent today. The hyper man-orientated press that is taking over the EPL is not being widely adopted by Serie A teams, and PSG are actually pressing (and possessing the ball) in a very different way to that, they mix zone and man much more--their attacking patterns are also far different--but Allegri isn't going to face play like that, only Gasperini and Italiano try those sorts of approaches, Conte doesn't do that, and Chivu's squad is not built for that whatever his philosophy is.

Point is: I think Allegri's Milan will look and play more like Carlo's Real against City before Mbappe (yes everything with Real is better, yes, yes, visualize the concept [again this is for critics, not you, bro]), and it won't be Leao and Pulisic as two "strikers" in a psuedo-442, I bring up that Real team under Carlo to say that we'll use our midfield to create space for our attack to exploit. Allegri wants a big boy striker, that's obvious from the Vlahovic rumors (if they're true). Allegri isn't going to manufacture counters like De Zerbi, he's going to absorb pressure and the utility of passing is simply to ensure the ball to trigger the counter will be made with quality, he wants to make those chances be as high quality as possible.

I don't think Allegri's previous stint with Juve is going to be the template, I don't think we're built for that 352 he used, and the rumors about who we're going for don't point to that--hopefully Allegri's style works, and frankly, it should, without European football, a Scudetto should be very achievable when the rest of your rivals all have European commitments.
 

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Going on loan and playing regularly is the best option for him right now.
Fuck off
I am sick of hearing this
IT NEVER WORKS

Just stop pretending we care about youngsters and just go all in with dinosaur players
Fuck this half-hearted approach
 

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I really can't believe the lack of italian talent... tf is wrong with italy.
I was watching Top Calcio 24 and they were talking about how you don't see kids playing calcio anymore but rather play video games. One of the commentators was saying that he has a 10-year-old son playing but has to pay $800.00 to register that many cannot afford.

Wages are low in Italy; I have a niece that's been an elementary school teacher for over 30 years and earns about 1500 Euro a month, she has two sons that both played and loved football, don't know if she had to pay or not.
 

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I hope this means the old regime really took a back seat. Seems like we're trying to pull an Inter and build an instant success team that comes with little futurability on the other hand. But I guess Milan fans have had enough of "projects" for now anyway.
I think they will be buying players like Vos (like the striker from Atalanta they just bought) for the Futuro, and let them cook there, and it seems that Torriani, Bartesaghi, Camarda, Zeroli, and a few others (Liberali?) are their focus, and they all seem like they need another year or two before they can be brought up--I think if they were like Inter they'd look to sell someone like Camarda or Torriani, who they could sell for big money to other Serie A clubs, but they're not.

To be fair: they're also being linked with Leoni, and Bondo seems to be staying, so there are some young talents here.

I think their focus is on getting top four (at least) at all costs, the absence of even EL revenue will not just impact broadcasting revenue, but less match-day revenue, merchandise, and I'm pretty sure our sponsorships are heavily linked to European appearances--we have distinct European training gear, for example.

All I want is for them to get top four next year, even if I think they should be aiming the Scudetto (and should have been the last two years) which is what they said, consistently. But, at the end of the day, not playing in the CL at all is horrible.
 

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Remove that 1 from the ''1500 Euro'' and you have the average wage for a teacher in Kosovo
Kosovo is not one of the biggest European economies. Even globally Italian economy is not small, roughly same size as Russia. Wage gap between Italy and most middle European countries is too high.
 

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At least Gattuso will whip them into shape, give them hell if they play uninspired or lazy like they've been under Spalletti that none of the players said they were sorry to see go.

On a personal level I'm happy for Rino and hope he does well but the pickings are slim. Watched the match on RAI and the analyst Adani said that Serie A is composed of 70% foreign players, which makes our choices limited. I would lower it to 50 and give chances to young players to fill the benches.
Watch him qualify Italy to the WC for the first time in 12 years
Then when the grinta effect wears off he will spectacularly crash and burn in the WC

God I want to see Gattuso as Italy coach at WC 2026 so bad
It's just entertainment you cannot pass up on
 

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