The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[vB9]

This is nothing that remains reasonable in France it is 38 See 40 I am outside I already sweat.

putain de misere

 

[Hitchens]

Anyone with an educated take on Leoni? Looks promising in comps, but is he ready to start at Milan? Sooner or later Italy must produce some great CBs again.

 

[sheva]

Will never understand posters who stan players and not the club (why would they sell our stars) and yet bash the same club/ownership for selling reindeer (and hilariously, claiming they undersold) when we have failed to reach our financial goals with said stars

 

[Hitchens]

Will never understand posters who stan players and not the club (why would they sell our stars) and yet bash the same club/ownership for selling reindeer (and hilariously, claiming they undersold) when we have failed to reach our financial goals with said stars

Attempt:

Scudetto season understandably produced stans of players, and in the meantime club has deteriorated through a combination of factors. Many of those factors are down to absolute garbage decision making at club management level. People cling to those players because they loath the current management so much. You and others seem to primarily blame our "stars" for this, despite the environment at the club.

And current management sacked the most stanned Milan person of all time.

I'm trying to put any player attachment behind me myself. It has lead nowhere, and we're not likely to stop selling our best performers anytime soon.

I just hope to see a winning Milan rise from the ashes, with whatever means necessary.

 

[Australiano1980]

As great as he was for us, he came after Maldini’s time. The atmosphere was not only conducive for the team being tighter (among themselves) but The team also felt much much closer to the fans then.
With the media team doing a great job.
I would not only watch the games, but would also binge on all the social media content. I would open the app daily to see training pictures.
This management was like water on hot coal for the vibe the team had.


So yea, true. It does feels he was never here.

Excellent point Rosso.

 

[The Cat]

Anyone with an educated take on Leoni? Looks promising in comps, but is he ready to start at Milan? Sooner or later Italy must produce some great CBs again.

I think he's ready. Reads the game well, athletic, confident

More importantly for gerry, he can potentially be worth 80m in a couple of years

 

[forward]

patosheva stress levels 0%, he doesn't care anymore about this shit club

I wonder how they convinced Allegri to take this job.

They probably didn't tell him our transfer budget = a rack of bananas.

 

[vB9]

Mou&Italy share the same footballing philosophy

 

[R.Akbar]

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Mou&Italy share the same footballing philosophy

Which is?

 

[vB9]

Which is?

men behind the ball. sneak a 1-0 win... you know, boring stuff

 

[Curupira]

Will never understand posters who stan players and not the club (why would they sell our stars) and yet bash the same club/ownership for selling reindeer (and hilariously, claiming they undersold) when we have failed to reach our financial goals with said stars

It’s pretty simple.

At the root of it, these people are still coping with the fact that Milan is no longer what it once was. They want to believe the club’s history and badge should be enough to override the current reality—years of mismanagement, a broken league, a shrinking brand, no stable leadership, and a financial situation that’s miles behind the top European clubs.

To protect that illusion, they cling to the idea that "competence" alone is supposed to erase not just the financial gap, but the structural and competitive distance too. That even without resources, without a league that generates serious money, and without the institutional stability others have built over time, Milan should still be able to outperform clubs who’ve been progressing while we were stuck in the mud.

But now they’ve run out of copes. They know the ownership isn’t changing anytime soon, so the only thing left is to pile everything on them. It’s the last safe scapegoat. "We can still win despite being handicapped in so many ways, it’s just that ownership is doing it all wrong." That’s the entire logic now. It’s the ultimate cope dressed up as accountability.

 

[vB9]

sumthing to cheer you up...

 

[vB9]

 

[LemonCookies]

My copes rest in Mad Max. If he can’t get these semi-professional babies acting and playing like our badge demands, who else could?

 

[grandeacm2]

No, thats not accurated at all. That team had a good run in the World Cup and thats all... it didn't even win the Copa América.

Copa America was not Tele Santana coaching
1983 didn't have a bunch of the stars like Zico, Falcao, Toninho Cerezo
And if you're referring to 1979, again not Tele Santana coaching

If the 1982 team played cynical pragmatic football there would be no stopping it save for murderball, because if they won a bunch of free-kicks near the box that's almost like a penalty kick to Zico, he would score at minimum one of them
But they played Joga Bonito, or as they call it in Brazil Futebol Arte

Ever since '94 Brazil no longer played that way they played quite a bit more pragmatically
Before that they used to choose between playing for victory or to entertain the crowds primarily

 

[sheva]

Attempt:

Scudetto season understandably produced stans of players, and in the meantime club has deteriorated through a combination of factors. Many of those factors are down to absolute garbage decision making at club management level. People cling to those players because they loath the current management so much. You and others seem to primarily blame our "stars" for this, despite the environment at the club.

Environment in the club is unprofessional to say the least. Are professional footballers who make in a year what most here won't make in a lifetime, excempt from personal accountability even when the higher ups are not in an adequate level?

In my opinion, no. Just because someone booted out my boss (=removal of maldini), that doesn't give me the right to pout, not give any effort in helping my workplace achieve success, and even harm my department by not caring.

In fact, I would probably get fired for doing so.
And me and others don't criticize management simply because management isn't at the forefront of ac Milan success/failures, performance on the pitch is.

If management:
Didn't pay players salaries, would put players to shame in front on the media (like Gasp in atalanta, like barca with frenkie De Jong), shame players on AC Milan social (oshimen was memed into being a pineapple by Napoli themselves), fine. I would be the first who'd say fuck management.

But, they hardly earned the right to 'loath', they are just inept.

Was anyone here mad at puli for having a terrible 2nd half to the season? No. Why? Because he gave an effort and showed commitment to the shirt. Fofana had a relatively bad 1st season, you don't see an overwhelming sentiment of wanting to ship him off.

So, stars who are underperforming due to reasons in their control (reindeer was a b2b here in his first season, can't blame him. Okafor as an LW, etc.) should be rightfully repremended, and it's not like Leao and Theo got a tactical shakeup this season.

In fact, Theo was required to be more tactical under Pioli when he was asked to be free-roam.

And current management sacked the most stanned Milan person of all time.

Yes, two years ago. Time to stop wallow in misery.

 

[Wild]

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Amazing business that we made profit out of him.
500k in cash upfront in one installment.

 

[Curupira]

My copes rest in Mad Max. If he can’t get these semi-professional babies acting and playing like our badge demands, who else could?

Or maybe it’s time to move on from the ones who act like they’re doing Milan a favor by being here.

Reijnders came in as an unknown with clear flaws, worked on them, and leveled up—now both he and the club are cashing in. Tonali followed a similar arc. Even Salad, for all his limitations, has made visible improvements since joining.

These examples prove the Milan opportunity still means something for players who actually value it. So instead of waiting for a miracle man to babysit a locker room full of entitlement, how about we just back players who want to grow? As long as they’re looking to improve as players, we know we’ll get something out of it - either on the pitch or through a good payday. I’ll take that over some fake loyalty that turns into entitlement the moment things don’t go their way.

 

[Master Smurf]

Theo started his training:

Tracking back training
- Similar intent and intensity exhibited every match day the last two seasons.

Sign him up - we can't do any better than the best LB in the world

 

[asoundwave]

But choices are John Duran vs Vlahovic vs Lucca

J David is not being pursued at the moment

None of them should be considered, I would break the bank for Oshiemen

 

[LemonCookies]

Or maybe it’s time to move on from the ones who act like they’re doing Milan a favor by being here.

Reijnders came in as an unknown with clear flaws, worked on them, and leveled up—now both he and the club are cashing in. Tonali followed a similar arc. Even Salad, for all his limitations, has made visible improvements since joining.

These examples prove the Milan opportunity still means something for players who actually value it. So instead of waiting for a miracle man to babysit a locker room full of entitlement, how about we just back players who want to grow? As long as they’re looking to improve as players, we know we’ll get something out of it - either on the pitch or through a good payday. I’ll take that over some fake loyalty that turns into entitlement the moment things don’t go their way.

It’s not an either/or, but a both/and situation. I think Tare and Max are doing both.

 

[Australiano1980]

Copa America was not Tele Santana coaching
1983 didn't have a bunch of the stars like Zico, Falcao, Toninho Cerezo
And if you're referring to 1979, again not Tele Santana coaching

If the 1982 team played cynical pragmatic football there would be no stopping it save for murderball, because if they won a bunch of free-kicks near the box that's almost like a penalty kick to Zico, he would score at minimum one of them
But they played Joga Bonito, or as they call it in Brazil Futebol Arte

Ever since '94 Brazil no longer played that way they played quite a bit more pragmatically
Before that they used to choose between playing for victory or to entertain the crowds primarily

I think the last glimpsy of the futebol arte for us was in the Copa América 1997.

Football is like this, the seleção from 1970 (the Origin of the name 'Seleção') for example, that team was been trashed by media and supporters drastically untill few months before the World Cup.

 

[sheva]

It’s pretty simple.

At the root of it, these people are still coping with the fact that Milan is no longer what it once was. They want to believe the club’s history and badge should be enough to override the current reality—years of mismanagement, a broken league, a shrinking brand, no stable leadership, and a financial situation that’s miles behind the top European clubs.

To protect that illusion, they cling to the idea that "competence" alone is supposed to erase not just the financial gap, but the structural and competitive distance too. That even without resources, without a league that generates serious money, and without the institutional stability others have built over time, Milan should still be able to outperform clubs who’ve been progressing while we were stuck in the mud.

But now they’ve run out of copes. They know the ownership isn’t changing anytime soon, so the only thing left is to pile everything on them. It’s the last safe scapegoat. "We can still win despite being handicapped in so many ways, it’s just that ownership is doing it all wrong." That’s the entire logic now. It’s the ultimate cope dressed up as accountability.

I would agree with almost everything here, but...

Then how would you describe inter punching above their weight on a yearly basis? With the same structural bottlenecks we're facing- unstable ownership (ten times over), dead league, measle sums of TV revenue, and they don't even have the 'historic' prestige we do.

 

[leaf]

You realize Raphinha has historically been a RW and only was forced to switch to LW due to the emergence of 16 year old Lamine? There is no impetus to move or marginalize the Brasilian with Nico’s addition, they will swap positions regularly under Flick

I also predict Lamine will move centrally sooner than later as Van Basten suggested

I thought you were going to put him in the middle. Yamal in the middle makes more sense. Sorry. My bad

 

[Alo88]

I love the fact that they have an Istanbul now

It's even better because they actually had an Istanbul. But instead of Athens they got an even worse Istanbul now

 

[ymsv]

Or maybe it’s time to move on from the ones who act like they’re doing Milan a favor by being here.

Reijnders came in as an unknown with clear flaws, worked on them, and leveled up—now both he and the club are cashing in. Tonali followed a similar arc. Even Salad, for all his limitations, has made visible improvements since joining.

These examples prove the Milan opportunity still means something for players who actually value it. So instead of waiting for a miracle man to babysit a locker room full of entitlement, how about we just back players who want to grow? As long as they’re looking to improve as players, we know we’ll get something out of it - either on the pitch or through a good payday. I’ll take that over some fake loyalty that turns into entitlement the moment things don’t go their way.

I will post it once again . Some make fun of him that he is analyzing statistics of his play . He also have a personal video analyst to improve his play . It is a player who knows why he is here .

Gimenez discusses importance of faith, 'Breakfast Club' and working with Ibrahimovic

Santiago Gimenez has revealed why faith is so important to him, and also shed light on what Zlatan Ibrahimovic is like.

sempremilan.com

 

[sheva]

My copes rest in Mad Max. If he can’t get these semi-professional babies acting and playing like our badge demands, who else could?

With Furlani at the helm, next commode title should be

Mad Max: furry road

 

[asoundwave]

Theo started his training:

Funny, nothings changed..that's exactly how he nonchalantly jogs back when the other team attacks

 

[sheva]

Or maybe it’s time to move on from the ones who act like they’re doing Milan a favor by being here.

Reijnders came in as an unknown with clear flaws, worked on them, and leveled up—now both he and the club are cashing in. Tonali followed a similar arc. Even Salad, for all his limitations, has made visible improvements since joining.

These examples prove the Milan opportunity still means something for players who actually value it. So instead of waiting for a miracle man to babysit a locker room full of entitlement, how about we just back players who want to grow? As long as they’re looking to improve as players, we know we’ll get something out of it - either on the pitch or through a good payday. I’ll take that over some fake loyalty that turns into entitlement the moment things don’t go their way.

How have people seen what reindeer did here in two years and continue to support Theo and Leao's five is just beyond me

Edit: I literally posted this just by reading the first sentence, without even noticing you continued to write about reindeer.

 

[Curupira]

I would agree with almost everything here, but...

Then how would you describe inter punching above their weight on a yearly basis? With the same structural bottlenecks we're facing- unstable ownership (ten times over), dead league, measle sums of TV revenue, and they don't even have the 'historic' prestige we do.

Inter’s had real continuity with proven managers—Spalletti, Conte, Inzaghi. Meanwhile, we’ve cycled through Giampaolo, Pioli, Fonseca, and Conceição. That alone shows the difference in intent and stability. So they are actually one of the clubs making progress (despite being in similar situation) while we were stuck in the mud.

Their recruitment strategy also costs way more: they outbid for players with higher wages and bonuses. That gamble paid off short-term but literally cost Zhang the club.

Most serious owners using their own money wouldn’t run that play. It’s a high-risk, low-sustainability approach that happened to "work". It’s not a model you can just replicate, and even with it, they got a couple near-misses, not some era of dominance.