Italian Football Thread II

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[Ham3t1899]

I agree! that If we dont act juve may win another title but saying we could be in the 4 or 7 spot is fear mongering.

I think also juve signing pirlo, not only gave them a class player but also gave them a clear window into our training methods and tactics and the best way to neutralize them. They were built to destroy our football.

we lost/Draw against Inter Napoli Lazio Fiorentina Ladri Udinese Bologna
How are we supposed to compete against teams that are improving , Getting good quality players. while we re-new 30 something year olds that are useless and Shitty quality players like Nocerino, Emma. Mesbah. This summer juventus is going to get at least 2 Major players to reinforce their quality for CL. We are getting none and doing the same shit hoping for different results.

 

[Az.]

juve have built a team that is robust and strong, maybe not as individually talented as ours but play a far better team game.

You know is funny,but ours is exactly like that.Well when i say exactly like that i mean with the added bonus of being injured+unmotivated.

But exactly like that nonetheless

 

[GreatKalu]

Game over, I'm afraid. Imagine where we would be if we hadn't decided to let pirlo go for free replacing him with van boss, whose been decidedly average this term. Sure some will say pirlo wasn't motivated here at milan ... But even then, juve wouldn't have had him. imagine what their season would have been like without him. Bad move by milan in my book.

 

[melanman]

We need to change the attitude of course, and the best way to do that is to sell Pato and Aquilani, cause the management has been too kind to their players and they always feel great no matter if they win or lose. We have not been fighters, and that's what it takes when you have some fighters as your main rival.

They are fighting, we are relying on talent.

edit:

and talent with no fight/heart is not a champion.

 

[Az.]

Game over, I'm afraid. Imagine where we would be if we hadn't decided to let pirlo go for free replacing him with van boss, whose been decidedly average this term. Sure some will say pirlo wasn't motivated here at milan ... But even then, juve wouldn't have had him. imagine what their season would have been like without him. Bad move by milan in my book.

Can of worms incoming

 

[melanman]

Game over, I'm afraid. Imagine where we would be if we hadn't decided to let pirlo go for free replacing him with van boss, whose been decidedly average this term. Sure some will say pirlo wasn't motivated here at milan ... But then, juve wouldn't have had him. imagine what their season would have been like without him. Bad move by milan in my book.

You have point Kalu, but pirlo was morbid and clearly not the same pirlo(athletically/effort wise) that is playing for juve.


Their training methods alone, have probably add 2years to his career.

They sorrunded him with the young and technical, something we clearly werent/arent willing to invest in.

 

[KujaIX]

Game over, I'm afraid. Imagine where we would be if we hadn't decided to let pirlo go for free replacing him with van boss, whose been decidedly average this term. Sure some will say pirlo wasn't motivated here at milan ... But even then, juve wouldn't have had him. imagine what their season would have been like without him. Bad move by milan in my book.

Best point.

Pirlo wasn't motivated here. You all saw him the few seasons before when he was decidedly average. The main problem with us letting Pirlo go was that he went to our biggest rivals... if he went abroad, it would have been a great move all around.

 

[ELMAGO99]

Genoa supporters halt match against Siena
Unsavory scenes erupted at the Marassi after the hosts went down 4-0 to the Bianconeri with just 53 minutes on the clock, as ultras forced the team to remove their shirts

Apr 22, 2012 11:40:00 AM
By Livio Caferoglu



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Genoa's Serie A match against Siena was halted temporarily after disgruntled Grifoni supporters expressed their frustrations at the team's players for a below-par performance.

Alberto Malesani's men found themselves 4-0 down after only 53 minutes of play, but Luigi Giorgi's fourth goal for the visitors proved to be the final straw for many, who began throwing various items onto the pitch.

The club's ultras then took action by blocking the entrance to the dressing room as they wanted the players to hand their jerseys over on the grounds that they were not "worthy" of the colours.

All of the Genoa players incredibly cooperated, except loan striker Giuseppe Sculli, who refused to remove his shirt, while wing back Giandomenico Mesto broke down in tears.

Captain Marco Rossi, who was given the responsibility of taking the jerseys and passing them on to the ultras, proceeded to go over to the group of supporters in a bid to bargain with them.

In the meantime, referee Paolo Tagliavento managed to enter the dressing room, while club president Enrico Preziosi also made his way to the pitch and gathered the players in a huddle.

Sculli then appeared to try to negotiate with his shirt still on, along with Sebastien Frey, who tried to pull his back and was quoted in the Italian media as saying: "This is my shirt, we are all for Genoa."

Frey seemingly played the role of peacemaker between the ultras and players, as he then pleaded with Siena to come back out onto the pitch and complete the game, which still had 37 minutes remaining.

Play finally resumed after a 40 minute delay, with the Bianconeri eventually winning 4-1. However, it is expected that a round of talks between the Genoa players and ultras will commence at the club's training complex on Monday.

 

[HeroMaldini]

Pirlo is really a son of a bitch, we had to put up 4 seasons of him walking around the field like a zombie, scoreing one free kick out of the zillion he took for 4,5 millions a year and now he plays like he's 24 again, ugly longhaired cheating scum

my sentements EXACTLY. was never a fan of the lazy fuck. then he goes to those black n white pricks and suddenly flies about the place like theres a ricket up his arse. C.U.N.T.

 

[Milanista_7]

The problem isnt that we let pirlo go the problem is we didnt replaced him with a quality player who actually can pass.

 

[MonsterKane]

Bad move by Milan letting Pirlo go to our biggest rivals?

Well, as far as I know a player that is out of contract can go to every club he wants and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Moggster]

I don't mean to be an eyore but it's over. Juventus have Cesena-Novara-Lecce-Calgiari-Atalanta left. They're looking unstoppable while we're struggling with Bologna at home.

We just have to hope maybe Calgiari-Atalanta will put up with a heroic fight or something.

 

[Dark Knight]

woww this thread is amazing..

we cant win serie a because refs are against us..
we cant win champions league because refs are against us..



so when we get a shit penalty or.. when we get a goal where robinho scores with his hand in the dying minutes of a match last season which is like a get out of jail card why are these theories not valid?

I m pretty sure over a decent enough span you would find out the refereing decisions even out but ofcourse its fav italian pass time of finding conspiracies in everything.

 

[KujaIX]

Bad move by Milan letting Pirlo go to our biggest rivals?

Well, as far as I know a player that is out of contract can go to every club he wants and there's nothing you can do about it.

We're clearly saying that we should have sold him abroad or sent him to Madrid or Barcelona instead.

 

[GreatKalu]

Can of worms incoming

Got to make life interesting

Honestly though, strongly feel we would be celebrating successive scudetti had we not let him go and put our faith on a Van boss who showed bits of his fragility end of last season.

You have point Kalu, but pirlo was morbid and clearly not the same pirlo(athletically/effort wise) that is playing for juve.


Their training methods alone, have probably add 2years to his career.

They sorrunded him with the young and technical, something we clearly werent/arent willing to invest in.

I think thats just a myth really. Pirlo did well to adapt to Leo's ultra offensive left island approach, and he didn't really have a go with allegri's milan. There were times in allegri's milan where we played with 3dms, so I'm thinking pirlo would have complemented them better.

forza pirlo

Best point.

Pirlo wasn't motivated here. You all saw him the few seasons before when he was decidedly average. The main problem with us letting Pirlo go was that he went to our biggest rivals... if he went abroad, it would have been a great move all around.

we underestimated them. We didn't look at them as our main title rivals. We underestimated pirlo. We didn't think he could lead a side to the scudetto. Its as simple as that.

Overall I'd say that we had the better team, coach and players. A combination of bad luck, injuries, questionable decisions and complacency cost us the title. But that wouldn't have mattered if juve weren't as resilient as they have been this term.

They play good football, and a player like pirlo can make a side better than the sum of its individual parts. I don't think its debatable anymore as to whether he could have had a positive influence on our season had we kept him. Better depth, more passing/playmaking ability than our whole midfield combined, our loss wouldn't have been their most important gain.

 

[Dark Knight]

The problem isnt that we let pirlo go the problem is we didnt replaced him with a quality player who actually can pass.

this is the most important point.. players come and go.. hardly anyone stays forever at the same club.. but the amin thing is to improve on what you had or atleast replace them with same quality. Pirlo leaving is not a problem if you replace him with a better passer.

 

[melanman]

The problem isnt that we let pirlo go the problem is we didnt replaced him with a quality player who actually can pass.

Good point!

 

[MonsterKane]

The problem isnt that we let pirlo go the problem is we didnt replaced him with a quality player who actually can pass.

The problem is that our midfield is shit since the CL victory in 2007 and Galliani's constant "we are fine as we are"-twaddle.

 

[nuttela]

Juve deserve the scudetto. I don't even think we can argue that case. For that we should congratulate ourselves for overachieving this season. (were second with a decimated squad week in week out)

As for Milan, i really wish Allegri would show better body language than the thinking pose of his. You see Conte getting his ass hoarse every game and it pumps the whole team up. The best player this season is Ibra, and he sums us up this season

KPB will have to get his ass fit for the long haul cos he can win a CL with this squad if he wants. Robinho needs to leave. I'm not gonna even explain myself why he should.

If Milan don't win Serie A, maybe it'd push us for a better transfer market. We need to think for the future, we need to reclaim that scudetto badge for 13/14

 

[Ash]

We didn't lose the scudetto because we let Pirlo go to our rivals

We lost it because we overestimated our capabilities and replaced him with utter garbage

This is what a half assed mercato (which many were quick to praise) brings you

I would like to know how the fuck are we exactly moving forward when all we are buying is average players?

Other than Ibra and Silva, and probably Nesta - there is no one in this team really worthwhile....

 

[Costanza]

Oh we were losing Scudettoi to Juve when we had Nesta-maldini-Cafu-Stam-Pirlo-Rino-seedorf-Sheva-kaka-Pippo-Crespo-Capocannoiere Gilardino-Serginho-....

The problem is the cub's attitude, we have never built a team really have we? we just buy players that we can and throw them at the poor coach.

Of course the squad can use an upgrade in many positions, but the problem is the attitude of the management. We have always underachced in our history, even in Baresi era when we lost 2 of three consecutive CL finals.

It's unacceptable in modern era to have your 80 year old owner make tactical changes in the team, It's unacceptable to have people like Seedorf who are not hungry, It's unacceptable to not spank our players after they make shitty mistakes.

We could bring Messi and Xavi in next season and still lose Scudetto to Juve, those assholes always know how to keep winning even if not everything is not working for them, but we has never had the focus and concentration Juve has.

Since 1987 we should have won at least 14 Scudetti and 7 CLs but we have only won 8 and 5. This team has been underachievers for too long.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect and love we need people with modern football vision to manage this team, not B & G.

 

[Ashish]

Pirlo is really a son of a bitch, we had to put up 4 seasons of him walking around the field like a zombie, scoreing one free kick out of the zillion he took for 4,5 millions a year and now he plays like he's 24 again, ugly longhaired cheating scum

Got to make life interesting

Honestly though, strongly feel we would be celebrating successive scudetti had we not let him go and put our faith on a Van boss who showed bits of his fragility end of last season.

I think thats just a myth really. Pirlo did well to adapt to Leo's ultra offensive left island approach, and he didn't really have a go with allegri's milan. There were times in allegri's milan where we played with 3dms, so I'm thinking pirlo would have complemented them better.



we underestimated them. We didn't look at them as our main title rivals. We underestimated pirlo. We didn't think he could lead a side to the scudetto. Its as simple as that.

Overall I'd say that we had the better team, coach and players. A combination of bad luck, injuries, questionable decisions and complacency cost us the title. But that wouldn't have mattered if juve weren't as resilient as they have been this term.

They play good football, and a player like pirlo can make a side better than the sum of its individual parts. I don't think its debatable anymore as to whether he could have had a positive influence on our season had we kept him. Better depth, more passing/playmaking ability than our whole midfield combined, our loss wouldn't have been their most important gain.

closet jubentino .. atleast he is happy

 

[Wild]

The sad thing is that even with juve wining the league & us wining nothing they will invest much more than us.
They are a team with ambition & we arent.
Also I expect Inter to work on their team comes next season.
Every season I wait hopping I will be proven wrong but G&B insist on proving me right each & every season.

 

[Yoshi]

The sad thing is that even with juve wining the league & us wining nothing they will invest much more than us.

So true.

 

[milanpalermo23]

this has probably already been answered but what is the first thing they look at after points in the standings??

i can't remember if it is Wins or head-head?

 

[Ash]

The sad thing is that even with juve wining the league & us wining nothing they will invest much more than us.
They are a team with ambition & we arent.
Also I expect Inter to work on their team comes next season.
Every season I wait hopping I will be proven wrong but G&B insist on proving me right each & every season.

Watch us buy garbage, rejects and freebies this summer (with a WC striker signing after selling Pato) cauz that's all we can afford due to G's impeccable management of our finances....

 

[milanpalermo23]

fuck i hate having the last post on a page....

again, this has probably already been answered but what is the first thing they look at after points in the standings??

i can't remember if it is Wins or head-head?

 

[KujaIX]

Head to head.

 

[milanpalermo23]

Head to head.