Alexandre Pato Thread

[joy]

leaf is right

 

[Master Smurf]

Senatore so full of hate and ready to strike

Pato shouldnt have said it but if you look at what he said maybe there is some truth. He should of just said the current setup is better for me personally and left it there.

Allegri really should of just said the first part and shut his yap. He comes off as petty (similar to the instances Leaf just posted) and he should be really introspective at a time when things arent clicking AGAIN!!!!

 

[Senatore_M84]

Senatore so full of hate and ready to strike

Pato shouldnt have said it but if you look at what he said maybe there is some truth. He should of just said the current setup is better for me personally and left it there.

Allegri really should of just said the first part and shut his yap. He comes off as petty (similar to the instances Leaf just posted) and he should be really introspective at a time when things arent clicking AGAIN!!!!

there's probaly some truth.

but the idea it's down to just staff is very shortsided and you know it.


More than anything it pisses me off he of all people feels a right to speak on matter.

He's playing less than half fixutres he had to for european club. My honest opinion is fixture congestion is causing way more injuries.

It happens everywhere. We were lucky last year, inter were not with large periods of like 10 injured. Juventus had it horrible in 7th place year.

I could look at EPL and ire-call man utd having no mids or defenders using valencia at fb etc.

Yes it SUCKS, but there are so many factors.

 

[justhope]

OK so then he's saying working on physique in the gym, swimming pool and physiotherapy are what corinthians do with their players...and that this works and is good for him

what the heck is milanlab doing then?

"At Milan, they do 20 days of work in just a week, so it's only normal that the body can't handle it. I haven't had any injuries this season."

.

barcelona real madrid players prolly play the most games of all and I ve never seen them going thru rhis injury nighmare

and yeah inter and juventus had a moment with an injury crisis as well,
but we had it 4 times in the last 5 years, not 1 time like inter and juve

 

[Congo Powers]

Shitelegri? Professional?



>Taiwo : S#!tlegri doesn't talk to me
>Pato :S#!tlegri doesn't tell me what he wants
>Benches Pato right after missing a fucking penalty to fuck with his confidence
>Ignores Bojan
>Urby criticizes his tactics = tossed out for a year
>Always affraid to cross the stronger personalities like Prince and Ibra
>Goes to Inzaghi's training sessions to scream at him
>Niang taken off the list for punishment
>Placing an motherfucking injured Pazzo on the list
>Asking for his favourite CF when we couldn't be more stacked in attack and flimsy in the mid and defense

etc
etc

Do I really have to continue?

the fact is that quite a few of the players (Pato, P!rlo, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Aubameyang) -that have left have been fucking shining under a coach who recognizes that in spite of their flaws they have tremendous assets that can contribute to a winning formula.

The SAD thing is that it's generally a certain type of player that goes under-appreciated under the shit one ...the type of player that veers more on the technical side as opposed to the effort/grit side. Allegri makes it clear that he wants above all else - fit and strong players as that is what his shit Cagliari mind can accommodate....and we wonder why we can't unlock stubborn parked bus defenses.....moooaaaar dai dai dai...moaaaar pressing ....moaar strikerzzz...wait...why isn't it working

Add this to his letting his personal feelings and rifts with players to colour his decisions to the point of making counter productive choices and you have the steaming pile of horse shit that shat out Allegri

Professional my fucking black ass

hahaaaa this is what i missed when i was banned

 

[KujaIX]

Shitelegri? Professional?



>Taiwo : S#!tlegri doesn't talk to me
>Pato :S#!tlegri doesn't tell me what he wants
>Benches Pato right after missing a fucking penalty to fuck with his confidence
>Ignores Bojan
>Urby criticizes his tactics = tossed out for a year
>Always affraid to cross the stronger personalities like Prince and Ibra
>Goes to Inzaghi's training sessions to scream at him
>Niang taken off the list for punishment
>Placing an motherfucking injured Pazzo on the list
>Asking for his favourite CF when we couldn't be more stacked in attack and flimsy in the mid and defense

Taiwo had the intelligence of an amoeba., Pato is a difficult case with conjecture and rumours flying everywhere. Pato was not playing well, it's not like he was on a hattrick... Bojan was shit, right to bench him. Everyone here hated Urby and yet, when he's tossed out, everyone is screaming that it's unfair. Why would you bench Ibra when he's our only match-winner? And what evidence do we have of him shying away from it apart from not benching Ibra(completely logical)? In fact, to me, he benched Boateng a lot more often than I thought was right... fair enough, that's genuinely unprofessional with Inzaghi. Nobody knows what is going on with that bar Allegri, Galliani, Berlusconi and Gandini. He's unprofessional because he placed a player on the CL list... asking for a player is unprofessional... people wanted Allegri to have a voice, then he gets one and people bitch and moan. He. Cannot. Win. With. Morons. Supporting. The. Club.

etc
etc

Do I really have to continue?

the fact is that quite a few of the players (Pato, P!rlo, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Aubameyang) -that have left have been fucking shining under a coach who recognizes that in spite of their flaws they have tremendous assets that can contribute to a winning formula.

The SAD thing is that it's generally a certain type of player that goes under-appreciated under the shit one ...the type of player that veers more on the technical side as opposed to the effort/grit side. Allegri makes it clear that he wants above all else - fit and strong players as that is what his shit Cagliari mind can accommodate....and we wonder why we can't unlock stubborn parked bus defenses.....moooaaaar dai dai dai...moaaaar pressing ....moaar strikerzzz...wait...why isn't it working

Add this to his letting his personal feelings and rifts with players to colour his decisions to the point of making counter productive choices and you have the steaming pile of horse shit that shat out Allegri

Professional my fucking black ass

Pato is at around the same level as he was here before he barely played... Pato also had some of his best form under Allegri... You slag Pirlo off all the time... He left because he was a twat and he's playing better. With him, it was an issue of motivation, not of management. Aubameyang was a decent young talent. Not one person here or anywhere else(except maybe Gabon) would have predicted this rise. Get real. People wanted him to stay in the same way people wanted fodder Merkel and Albertazzi to stay. Seedorf had his best form since 2007 under Allegri... Ronaldinho was great until he got dropped for Ibra, a logical, albeit, unfortunate choice.

One of Allegri's best assets, despite his flaws, is that he can maximize certain things in players. Seedorf, Pato, Robinho, Mexes, Zapata, Ibra and tons of others have played some of their best football under Allegri... yet, you complain that he didn't know how to manage Pato, Seedorf and Aubameyang get fucking real.

What creative players has he got rid of that we should have kept, and keep it real. Pirlo left because he's a twat, something you chastise him for still now... if he was still here, you'd be screaming that he be sacked and sold. Seedorf was part of us getting rid of the senatori and was slowing down. Aquilani was a choice by the management, and one I wouldn't have wanted to keep anyway. Ronaldinho was sold to make way for Ibra, which was reasonable. Merkel was fodder. If anybody tries to change their shitty tone and claim Boateng was creative will make me kill myself.

Now, Allegri gets Kaka, Montolivo, Robinho, Ibra and others... and plays them? :GASP: HE PLAYS THE ONES WHO DON'T HAVE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES ENCIRCLING THEM??? REALLY??? WOWOWOAHAHAHWOAHA

Even Mourinho, one of the greatest managers arguably ever, lets his personal decisions get in the way of management. As did Capello, as did Sacchi.

 

[Senatore_M84]

wait, was ronaldinho mentioned?


seriously?

 

[leaf]

there's probaly some truth.

but the idea it's down to just staff is very shortsided and you know it.


More than anything it pisses me off he of all people feels a right to speak on matter.

He's playing less than half fixutres he had to for european club. My honest opinion is fixture congestion is causing way more injuries.

It happens everywhere. We were lucky last year, inter were not with large periods of like 10 injured. Juventus had it horrible in 7th place year.

I could look at EPL and ire-call man utd having no mids or defenders using valencia at fb etc.

Yes it SUCKS, but there are so many factors.

I don't think even Pato believes that it's just down to our staff.... But when you see the sheer number of players picking up muscular injuries then perhaps it wouldn't be so crazy to look into what Pato said... Maybe we are overly focused on our physique and not enough on our technique.

$hitlegr! Often speaks about out-lasting the opponent and looks forward to gaining the upper hand past the hour mark, where he would rightly expect the opposition to begin to tire out. This strategy cannot however be a "one size fits all" approach and would be counter productive vs either fitter/more motivated teams or parked busses.....both of whom we are absolute shit against.

The term "unlock defense" seems alien to him...because when you think of unlocking a lock, you get the image of a small, precise tool opening the lock and not of a hammer bashing repeatedly on it. The "hammer" is analogous to his pressing game, which would be useless vs certain well formed, tactically disciplined teams

 

[leaf]

#taskfarce gets back their voice when their commander returns

Kuja 10/10 for the 100% bullshit post but what was particularly striking is the "nobody knew Aubameyang would blow up" part..... If you followed our team you would have seen it for MILES away. He and his brother were pretty good but it was clear even then that he was special....not Pozzi special, not Zigoni special not even Beretta special, but one of those you knew would make it

 

[amateur]

Corinthians staff talked somewhat poorly of the way they treated Pato when he came, I guess after months of no injuries he decided they were right.

Muscles are easy to maintain. As long as your constantly stretching and keeping things from going into knots, you wont suffer muscular injuries.

Stretching puts strains on muscle fibers, if you do it constantly in-season it will increase the likelihood of muscular injuries as it increases the rupture of the fibers.

Plus let's not compare the Italian climate in the winter vs the Brazilian climate. The climate does play a role in Pato's injuries as well. Plus the Brazilian league is not like any European league where players run like crazy. Pato has to do 3-4 runs every game and he calls it a day. Even I can do 4-5 sprints everyday in 90 minutes and not feel the repercussions.

When it's colder you have to warm up better. The world cup should be fun, a game you are playing in extreme heat and the next you are close to freezing.

Here teams don't push up the defense that much and much less when they are going against Pato.




He is criticized by the fans and by the media quite a lot, Corinthians has only a couple of chances to score per game and if they miss usually the expensive transfer will get all the blame (I think they have the second worst attack of the first division). Pato is scoring somewhat frequently but isn't having an easy time, the midfield just now (3 games or so) has a guy that creates anything (Douglas), the rest is pretty much there to defend and little else.

 

[KujaIX]

#taskfarce gets back their voice when their commander returns

Kuja 10/10 for the 100% bullshit post but what was particularly striking is the "nobody knew Aubameyang would blow up" part..... If you followed our team you would have seen it for MILES away. He and his brother were pretty good but it was clear even then that he was special....not Pozzi special, not Zigoni special not even Beretta special, but one of those you knew would make it

100% bullshit?

You are absolutely laughable regarding Allegri. Disgustingly illogical.

Nobody knew Aubameyang would blow up. It's a freaking fact. Willy was fodder. Catalina was fodder. Pierre was the brightest talent(saw him in some u-20 competition where he scored a few) but he was nowhere predicted to be the player he is now.

'Making it' is not playing for CL finalists and being an integral part of the team.

Nobody expected this of Pierre. We expected him to be able to perhaps play in a top division, not to be worth ~20m.

And I highly doubt it was Allegri's choice anyway.

 

[Senatore_M84]

dru back at it.

Can't argue points... just argue's people.

 

[Senatore_M84]

And I highly doubt it was Allegri's choice anyway.

pierre was GONE before allegri came.

He was loaned out before camp started, before allegri was signed....never came back

 

[justhope]

anyway, amateur is right, the fact that corinthians staff said it the first time they say pato that milanlab werent doing the right treatment says it all.

 

[leaf]

dru back at it.

Can't argue points... just argue's people.

pierre was GONE before allegri came.

He was loaned out before camp started, before allegri was signed....never came back

How do you manage to fit that much fail into only two posts?
But then again anyone who downloaded the internets can google his/her way through the shit

Nice try tho

 

[Senatore_M84]

How do you manage to fit that much fail into only two posts?
But then again anyone who downloaded the internets can google his/her way through the shit

Nice try tho

dude, i JUST looked up his wikipedia which sources days he was loaned.....

he's ben on loan since 2008.

Try again

For the 2008–09 season, Aubameyang was loaned out to Dijon FCO, in order to gain some first team experience.[2] His performances there led him to appear in World Soccer's Talent Scout section in Summer 2009.[3]

On 24 June 2009, it was announced Ligue 1 club Lille OSC had decided to sign Aubameyang on loan.[4]

In the following season, he was loaned out again, this time to AS Monaco. On 21 August 2010, Aubameyang scored his first goal for Monaco in an away match versus RC Lens. He scored again on 29 August at home to AJ Auxerre where his Monaco team won 2–0.[5]

In January 2011, after six months at Monaco, Aubameyang was loaned to AS Saint-Étienne until the end of the 2010–11 season. In July 2011, the loan was extended for the entire 2011–12 season. On 22 December 2011, Aubameyang signed with Saint-Étienne on a permanent deal.

Allegri came 2010-
http://au.sports.yahoo.com/football...n-ac-milan-striker-pierre-emerick-aubameyang/

monaco signed him july 8, 2010.

Camp didn't even open then . World cup year...




it's ridiculous how much you try to call others liars...

 

[Redman10]

If these words came out of nesta or Ambrosini or sheva or seedorf or someone with any credibility, MAYBE I'd buy it...

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I remember Kaka and Ronaldo a few years ago said the Milan lab misdiagnose them as well.

 

[leaf]

So what you're saying is that Mr. Youth whisperer S#!tlegri didn't think getting back a full international footballer who was progressively improving and at the time he was fully sold was hitting the best form of his career - was a good idea??

Well it certainly sounds like Allegri the kid was sold outright in December 2011 and the very next summer we got Pazzo.... If I were you I'd blame it all on

 

[leaf]

dude, i JUST looked up his wikipedia which sources days he was loaned.....

he's ben on loan since 2008.

Try again




Allegri came 2010-
http://au.sports.yahoo.com/football...n-ac-milan-striker-pierre-emerick-aubameyang/

monaco signed him july 8, 2010.

Camp didn't even open then . World cup year...




it's ridiculous how much you try to call others liars...

You ARE a fucking liar Well, more accurately, you're deceitful as fuck (where did all Pato's coke go?)

Since Al we've had lots of players go on loan then come back..... He wasn't "signed" fully till fucking DECEMBER 2011

I remember Kaka and Ronaldo a few years ago said the Milan lab misdiagnose them as well.

Nah it's ALL the PLAYER'S fault.... That's why EVERYBODY had to go back to Brazil to get healthy

 

[Shiby]

Spoiled brat.

 

[Rickaka]

dude, i JUST looked up his wikipedia which sources days he was loaned.....

he's ben on loan since 2008.

Try again




Allegri came 2010-
http://au.sports.yahoo.com/football...n-ac-milan-striker-pierre-emerick-aubameyang/

monaco signed him july 8, 2010.

Camp didn't even open then . World cup year...




it's ridiculous how much you try to call others liars...

''The 21 year-old Gabon-born forward joins Monaco on-loan for the coming season, the French club announced yesterday.''

From your own link, dated july 8, 2010

 

[Senatore_M84]

''The 21 year-old Gabon-born forward joins Monaco on-loan for the coming season, the French club announced yesterday.''

From your own link, dated july 8, 2010

EXACTLY.

He went on loan. He never came back. Follow all of them. He never came back to milan and worked w/ allegri.

This has nothing to do with allegri

 

[Senatore_M84]

You ARE a fucking liar Well, more accurately, you're deceitful as fuck (where did all Pato's coke go?)

Since Al we've had lots of players go on loan then come back..... He wasn't "signed" fully till fucking DECEMBER 2011

what don't you get. He never ONCE trained with allegri?

honestly...


continue bringing up coke thing. I sourced where I got it from. Believe what you want. Tabloids in italy have hammered him for professionalism and partying for large parts of his milan stay.

 

[Rickaka]

EXACTLY.

He went on loan. He never came back. Follow all of them. He never came back to milan and worked w/ allegri.

This has nothing to do with allegri

What?
He went on loan, meaning he was still ours.
After that year Allegri could've asked for him to stay at Milan..

If he actually set foot in Milan and met/worked with Allegri doesn't matter. Allegri is the coach, he should be monitoring players who are on loan elsewhere.

 

[leaf]

EXACTLY.

He went on loan. He never came back. Follow all of them. He never came back to milan and worked w/ allegri.

This has nothing to do with allegri

loooool
Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, all players come back, get assessed and management and their agents decide their fate

Even if that wasn't the case for this particular case, are there no videos/YouTube clips etc of the kid to make a reasonably informed assessment of him?

Isn't this how players you don't even own are BOUGHT? Here you have such a fine talent OWNED by Milan and Allegri doesn't even give him a chance?

But then again, we are talking about the guy who flew past getting a CB and Erikssen to procure Matri

what don't you get. He never ONCE trained with allegri?

honestly...


continue bringing up coke thing. I sourced where I got it from. Believe what you want. Tabloids in italy have hammered him for professionalism and partying for large parts of his milan stay.

Tabloids in Italy?
I thought you had family who knew the inner mechanics of Milanello?
Get high
Get stupid
Go back to Brazil, score double digits and get back in the national team

 

[Madridista]

Tabliods senatore seeing his delusions about Pato's injuries completely deconstructed, so he goes for the last desperate propaganda offensive

as if anyone didn't know that Pato's injuries are down to Milan lab incompetence. ffs Kaka is in their hands for 2 weeks and they managed to fuck him up. No injury at Madrid (not Brazil because of lax league) for 1 and a half years. Not to mention all the other players here. ffs Robinho almost never got injured before, and now two years in a row he misses half the season.

Milan medical team ruined Pato and its a fact. Is it training regime, diet, their famous 'spinal realignment' or whatever, gaining muscle mass, poor rehabilitation program/expectancy.. Milan lab is just terrible and has been for years.

 

[Sven]

Milan had no reason at all to bring Pierre back in 2010 and also in 2011. He scored 6 goals in 2 season in France at that point. We didn't use wingers.


His breakout season was 11/12 and there was a buyout clause that Saint-Étienne paid in January (and it's obligatory in France or something).

Nobody know if Milan fought for him and failed or anything. Maybe he had no intention to come back to Milan. There's only so much you can loan a player out and at some point he will rightly want to be free from the club.

 

[Dawn]

OK so then he's saying working on physique in the gym, swimming pool and physiotherapy are what corinthians do with their players...and that this works and is good for him

what the heck is milanlab doing then?

This is what they're doing. I wouldn't put all responsibilities on MilanLab & our training method but there must be something wrong going on atm. Galliani, Allegri & Co. should figure it our asap

 

[massaro]

pato is a disgrace and is not that good anyway good riddance

 

[Christian]

Last season we did pretty well regarding injuries, the year before was a disastor though...