Official: Massimiliano Allegri Thread II

[Montolivo]

First of all STFU you delusional Montolivo fanboy before ever trying to question me as a Milan Fan

Second of all
What expectations? I don't know what world you're living in but that season the summer transfer mercato was a fucking nightmare
We sold our 2 best players and 90% of our Veterans left and we didn't purchase good players to replace them...essentially fucking over the team

Even Galliani himself called it "Year Zero"...WTF could I expect from that season?
Now why would I expect that Milan would pass the group stages let alone top the UCL Group when even Galliani said we were basically "starting over from the beginning"?
Hell people were wondering if we would end up in Serie B that season when we were doing so bad at the beginning...losing to the likes of Sampdoria and whatnot

How about you stop smoking crack and stop revisioning history? We had a terrible team that season...and it was a surprise we qualified from the group stages...and it was even more of a surprise when we beat Barcelona

Allegri was terrible in his last season...but in 2012/13...nah...he got us to 3rd place and even made a semi-decent run in CL(beating Barca at home being the highlight) which is more than most of us expected

Well that was pretty mature of you bringing in Montolivo to a discussion that has nothing to do with him and call me a delusional fanboy, again, what does it have to do with anything?

We still had a strong team that season. We got maybe the easiest group of all big teams that year, and when we are top seeded, you have to take the chance when its given. And we got it, but didnt take it. Just because we sold Ibra and silva doesn't mean malaga had a better team than us or zenit. It was still many international players who played for one of the biggest international teams in the world in the line up. We were also still, despite selling ibra and silva, one of the teams in the league who payed most salarys to the players.

Getting Zenit and Malaga in the same group is a big chance of taking the first spot. No matter what you say, we hade way better team than them.

To say we should of been happy that we even got through is a mentality bottom teams have.

 

[milanoldfarts]

Strong Team? Strong team my ass
SES carried us the first half of the season by himself...and then Balo did that in the 2nd half
I'd hardly call that a "Strong Team"

Whether you like to admit it or not...Malaga and Zenit were better than us that season(in paper)
We won vs Zenit via an own goal and they beat us in the 2nd match in San Siro
Malaga got the quarters that season...nuff said

 

[Montolivo]

Strong Team? Strong team my ass
SES carried us the first half of the season by himself...and then Balo did that in the 2nd half
I'd hardly call that a "Strong Team"

Whether you like to admit it or not...Malaga and Zenit were better than us that season(in paper)
We won vs Zenit via an own goal and they beat us in the 2nd match in San Siro
Malaga got the quarters that season...nuff said

Yea come with excuses now. ''he carried us'' this and that...

there were more factors.

delusional if you claim those two hade better teams than us that year. How full of shitt can you be

 

[Ender]

Zenit was supposed to own the group. We were lucky to score two goals early on in the away game with Zenit.
Malaga was the revelation of the group. They started the season really strong and in the first 8-9 games they had only one loss to away game to Atl. Madrid with own goal in the 90th minute. Our ability was being able to get the maximum points from the other two teams though the last game against Zenit was a formality.
First half of the 2012-13 season was a nightmare, we had a lot of midfielders injured (De Jong, Muntari, Flamini, Ambrosini on and off), Galliani did a panic buy with Traore. Things started rolling only when Flamini and Muntari came from injury and Niang started playing and also tracking back after Robinho became unhappy during the winter and became overweight (thank god),... These 3 players and the arrival of Balotelli allowed a lot more rotation up front where the only two players that didn't have substitutes were El Sha and Montolivo.
We definitely couldn't have won the CL group, we were brave enough to hang in there, get all we could with Anderlecht and let Zenit kill itself. On a different day Zenit should have won the group and Malaga would be second, but Zenit players became unhappy with the salaries of Witsel and Hulk and we got lucky to win the away game against them.

That first half of the season, any team in Serie A had a chance of beating us. Coming back from that was almost as good as when we won the Serie A with Zaccheroni when it was obvious that on a good day Parma, Fiorentina and Lazio were better than us.

 

[jammin]

Zenit was supposed to own the group.

No.

 

[Ender]

No.

Yes.

 

[crazy4milan]

delusional if you claim those two hade better teams than us that year. How full of shitt can you be

We had lost 95% of our best players (quality and leadership*) in the summer that alone put both Malaga and Zenit in a better situation than ours.

Malaga had actually built a pretty strong team since season before and that year Zenit had made big transfers. Just cause those teams didn't have Milan's history, doesn't mean that in that particular context Milan was still better.

They a better team AND were coming from a more optimistic situation, while we were on the complete opposite, and we were basically rebuilding. On top of that our "top" (included Bojan) buys were made (like usual) a week before the league started, that always implies more time for integration.

 

[Senatore_M84]

ummmm coming into 12-13:

we lost zlatan, cassano. Those 2 scored 31, assisted 16.

and were replaced with... el shaarawy had scored 2 serie a goals, pazzini was off yearhe scored 5, bojan 7... that was our front line.


-we lost silva and nesta w/ no replacements.

on top of it, our 'leaders' pato, mexes and robinho missed most of the fall. Group stages...

these were the goddamn lineups because of injures:
http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/statistics/id/355677/statistics.html
http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/statistics/id/355662/statistics.html

 

[Az.]

Prediction: by the end of February he will be 7 points behind Roma, even with pathetic ref calls.

 

[Dark Knight]

He was the one who stopped Ibra's league winning record.

He is the one who will stop the Ref's league winning record also.

#trendsetter

 

[milanoldfarts]

He was the one who stopped Ibra's league winning record.

Nah that was Gobbi with the referees but nice try

We had lost 95% of our best players (quality and leadership*) in the summer that alone put both Malaga and Zenit in a better situation than ours.

Malaga had actually built a pretty strong team since season before and that year Zenit had made big transfers. Just cause those teams didn't have Milan's history, doesn't mean that in that particular context Milan was still better.

They a better team AND were coming from a more optimistic situation, while we were on the complete opposite, and we were basically rebuilding. On top of that our "top" (included Bojan) buys were made (like usual) a week before the league started, that always implies more time for integration.

Finally somebody who gets it
That season was an absolute nightmare at the beginning

You can blame Allegri for his last season(when he went batshit insane) but not 2012/13

Prediction: by the end of February he will be 7 points behind Roma, even with pathetic ref calls.

I hope so...I hate the Gobbi

 

[Mario]

Oh please... when Zenit signed Hulk & Witsel everyone thought they'd be the strongest side, but the reality is those 2 signings ruined their season. The dressing room got split, their captain refused to play and then got sold, everyone was pissed at the money Hulk and Witsel were receiving, I remember Hulk was abused racially and someone even put a bomb next to his car.. He was unsettled, didn't play well, and neither did most of their team, it was a mess, and they were a massive mess of a team.

I agree we had a poor side that season but were still stronger than Zenit.

 

[milanoldfarts]

Zenit were better than us in Paper...that's the point
Thank god that moron Spalletti was their coach...that's why they didn't pass the group stages

 

[unda]

In the end everybody of us will rate Allegri in a subjectiv way and not based on endless discussions about results in that time. There are so many factors which cant be all considered especially now after some time has gone. For me, even when results on paper were good, I was never statisfied with the way we played and the commitment of the players (-CL matches).

Allegri is a old fashioned defensive minded coach who can build a team which is very hard to score against but has no idea how to attack and take the iniative. The fact that he refused to integrate some kind of pressing play into Milan and his interviews etc. showed that he doesnt have the mentality and courage to manage a team like Milan. We got often dominated by bottom table Serie A teams even at home which is unacceptable in my opinion. His attacking plan was basically give the ball to Ibra and let him do his magic. Players fitness got worse every year under him. I cant believe that people still talk about that Muntari ghost goal when its clear that it wasnt refeeres who fucked us over but his cowardness which lead us to dropping points against absolute shit teams in the league, this is just a pathetic Allegri-like excuse.

 

[Benz_1803]

everyone forget about #MilanDNA??
allegri deserve half for what his done with us in UCL.

only count him in fodder A

 

[leaf]

In the end everybody of us will rate Allegri in a subjectiv way and not based on endless discussions about results in that time. There are so many factors which cant be all considered especially now after some time has gone. For me, even when results on paper were good, I was never statisfied with the way we played and the commitment of the players (-CL matches).

Allegri is a old fashioned defensive minded coach who can build a team which is very hard to score against but has no idea how to attack and take the iniative. The fact that he refused to integrate some kind of pressing play into Milan and his interviews etc. showed that he doesnt have the mentality and courage to manage a team like Milan. We got often dominated by bottom table Serie A teams even at home which is unacceptable in my opinion. His attacking plan was basically give the ball to Ibra and let him do his magic. Players fitness got worse every year under him. I cant believe that people still talk about that Muntari ghost goal when its clear that it wasnt refeeres who fucked us over but his cowardness which lead us to dropping points against absolute shit teams in the league, this is just a pathetic Allegri-like excuse.

bold part

Disagree with the underlined part. Allegri was defined by pressing the shit out of everyone while attacking. The problem was we had no strategy on how to press so we simply kept trying to force our way until either the other team got tired or made a mistake. This is a very poor way to attack imho. It's even worse when you don't have the physical and technical players to pull it off as the iBra-less Milan showed.

Overall top post.

 

[Montolivo]

In the end everybody of us will rate Allegri in a subjectiv way and not based on endless discussions about results in that time. There are so many factors which cant be all considered especially now after some time has gone. For me, even when results on paper were good, I was never statisfied with the way we played and the commitment of the players (-CL matches).

Allegri is a old fashioned defensive minded coach who can build a team which is very hard to score against but has no idea how to attack and take the iniative. The fact that he refused to integrate some kind of pressing play into Milan and his interviews etc. showed that he doesnt have the mentality and courage to manage a team like Milan. We got often dominated by bottom table Serie A teams even at home which is unacceptable in my opinion. His attacking plan was basically give the ball to Ibra and let him do his magic. Players fitness got worse every year under him. I cant believe that people still talk about that Muntari ghost goal when its clear that it wasnt refeeres who fucked us over but his cowardness which lead us to dropping points against absolute shit teams in the league, this is just a pathetic Allegri-like excuse.

No, now you are wrong.

We were never dominated by bottom teams, or dominated by anyone in terms of possession.

Allegri is a coach who bases his football alot on possesion and short passes. His philosofy is like spanish coaches like guardiola, when you have the ball, the opponents can't score.

season 10/11, we were the team who averaged most possesion in Serie A over 38 games (60% possesion). Season 12/13, the year we sold ibra and silva, we also averaged most possession in the league. So, I would not call us dominated by anynone.

The boring thing (and I'm not saying it is boring, I like possession based football, but this is acc. to you) with allegri is that he wants long attacks, he wants the team to pass the ball around safe to eachother and have patience until you find solutions. He doesn't like direct/risky passes that can end our attacks fast.

People always said that allegri didn't have any idea how he wanted to play, even I said it, but I realize that we were wrong. He had an idea, its just that we didn't see it cause we were trapped in this talk of our build up play and attacks being slow and idealess. But that was how he wanted us to play. He wanted us to hold the ball and have patience, to rest on the ball and keep our opponents away from our goal.

He is a light version of Pep guardiola (who also is accused of being boring cause of the patience in attack, dussins of passes etc).

Allegri is a modern coach. Thats a fact.

 

[Mr. Milanista]

So so many butthurt people They just have to find something to blame on
Allegri is a WC coach, no doubt. Stop being bitter

 

[jammin]

bold part

Disagree with the underlined part. Allegri was defined by pressing the shit out of everyone while attacking. The problem was we had no strategy on how to press so we simply kept trying to force our way until either the other team got tired or made a mistake. This is a very poor way to attack imho. It's even worse when you don't have the physical and technical players to pull it off as the iBra-less Milan showed.

Overall top post.

Pressing while attacking? What do you mean?

I never saw him as an ultra-pressing, get-the-ball-back-at-all-costs, Guardiola-type tactician. In the more memorable matches I remember under Allegri, like the 2-0 vs Barca and every game vs Juve, we did the initial-high-press-and-then-stand-off thing that so many good defensive managers (Simeone, Bayern under Heynckes) use these days.

I would define Allegri by his defensive organization and shape.

 

[unda]

Maybe dominated was the false word but tell me how many times we have gone infront against clearly inferior teams and immediatly after the goal wie decided to stand off and watch the opponent play araound our box?
How many times he decided to try to hold on to narrow scores as opposed to try to finish the game off?
Almost every action of his showed his unwillingnes to take risks. So if you are the underdog most of the time this could be reasonable and against Barca for example his reactionary game plan worked marvelous, but Milan is still rather big team in Italy and you will drop alot of points which this kind of approach and this is exactly what happened.

I know Allegris philosophy is based on holding possesion and we dominated almost every team in this aspect. I have no problem with that but most of the time we lacked any directness in our play, passing it in between two central defenders for 5 minutes then hoofing it infront to Ibra because we lacked any plan to attack without him. There are many ways to play a possesion based game and you compared him to Guardiola which is funny because you can cleary see the difference between them. Guardiola wants his side to keep the ball as far away from the own goal while Allegris side most of the time was happy to hold on the ball infront of our goal, but the biggest difference is without the ball almost every side that plays a possesion based game wants to win the ball back as early and as far away from the own goal as possible, so after loosing the ball the players will press immediatly and collectively to a) win the ball back and b) cutting off passing options to force unaccurate long balls. We always retreated after loosing the ball under Allegri and invited our oppenents to take the ball and play it in our half. Im still baffled by this approach.

How is he in any way compareable with Guardiola? One wants his team to defend from attack first and the other builds his teams from the back.

 

[Ashish]

Prediction: by the end of February he will be 7 points behind Roma, even with pathetic ref calls.

Bet?

 

[Az.]

Bet?

1 week sig bet?

 

[Goodfella]

I was one of those in his last season who wanted him to go because it wasnt working anymore. He was part of the problem, but not the main problem.

His stubborness also cost him the job because he was going with the same team and formation despite it not working. For example Montolivo as the anchor 12/13 was a major success, why did he change his role completely to a box 2 box midfielder the season after and gave de jong the anchor position? I don't get how you could change a winning team. And also limit one of our best players (its quite clear that its important for the team that one of its best players performs). This was also not the only change he did, but several others. And despite the results going shit, he continued with the same players. He could also have changed to 4-2-3-1 formation but no he continued with 4-3-3. He was incapable of a change cause he was too stubborn.

But, all in all, even the most allegri haters can't get away from this fact, is that he did more than a good job with Milan winning the title the first year. Second year 2nd place, but we really should have won the scudetto this year too, and the 3rd year we got the CL qualification place despite selling Ibra and Thiago and being called out as a mid table team during and before the season. His Champions League adventure was a bit disappointing though, being eliminated by babies at this stage by tottenham and poor results in relatively easy groups. We came second in the groups all three years and because of this you obviously meet tougher teams in the next stage.

I think allegri always has been an intelligent coach, and he is showing it in Juventus now just like he did with milan in his first years, its just that he made some wrong and crucial mistakes in his last years that was end of an era. But you cant only blame him for the horrific season, the managment did very little to satisfy allegris needs.

Juventus completely dominates its opponents from the start to finish now with allegri, with much possesion. Conte was more the waiting guy. I think he can develop this Juventus and take it to the next level wich Conte felt he couldn't do and left. Also he has a managment who supports him 100% and listents to his needs, like not selling players he dont want to sell, buy players he wants etc. In Milan it wasnt like that.

But I don't regret allegri leaving. Im glad we have pippo now and can start something new and fresh!

cheers

We did not have the players for any formation. Only 2 mids for a 3 man mid(Monto & Muntari). No good winger for 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3(SES was injured). A "star striker" who did not fit in a 4-2-3-1. No CAM for 4-2-3-1(I'm not forgetting Kaka). No aerial beasts among the CBs, except Silvestre who was injured all the time.

It was partly his fault that we had ended up with that horribly assembled, lazy, injury-prone squad, but that was a pretty hopeless situation he was in last season.

De Jong exposed Allegri's limitations. He nearly got him fired in his first season before the injury put a stop to it, but there was no stopping him in the second season.

 

[Ashish]

1 week sig bet?

Men 1 month ban bet?

 

[Congo Powers]

^lol...everyone knows az is too chicken to do a bet like that!!


bekAAWWWW bek bek beKQQAAAHHWWWWW

 

[milanoldfarts]

How is he in any way compareable with Guardiola? One wants his team to defend from attack first and the other builds his teams from the back.

Pep is garbage without Referee's and UEFA on his side...his stint in Bayern proves everything

Allegri is a decent coach at best and he's somewhere in middle of being an offensive/defensive coach

There's nothing wrong with being a defensive coach anyways
Fabio Capello...nuff said

 

[Dark Knight]

In the end everybody of us will rate Allegri in a subjectiv way and not based on endless discussions about results in that time. There are so many factors which cant be all considered especially now after some time has gone. For me, even when results on paper were good, I was never statisfied with the way we played and the commitment of the players (-CL matches).

Allegri is a old fashioned defensive minded coach who can build a team which is very hard to score against but has no idea how to attack and take the iniative. The fact that he refused to integrate some kind of pressing play into Milan and his interviews etc. showed that he doesnt have the mentality and courage to manage a team like Milan. We got often dominated by bottom table Serie A teams even at home which is unacceptable in my opinion. His attacking plan was basically give the ball to Ibra and let him do his magic. Players fitness got worse every year under him. I cant believe that people still talk about that Muntari ghost goal when its clear that it wasnt refeeres who fucked us over but his cowardness which lead us to dropping points against absolute shit teams in the league, this is just a pathetic Allegri-like excuse.

 

[Montolivo]

We did not have the players for any formation. Only 2 mids for a 3 man mid(Monto & Muntari). No good winger for 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3(SES was injured). A "star striker" who did not fit in a 4-2-3-1. No CAM for 4-2-3-1(I'm not forgetting Kaka). No aerial beasts among the CBs, except Silvestre who was injured all the time.

It was partly his fault that we had ended up with that horribly assembled, lazy, injury-prone squad, but that was a pretty hopeless situation he was in last season.

De Jong exposed Allegri's limitations. He nearly got him fired in his first season before the injury put a stop to it, but there was no stopping him in the second season.

De Jong is the biggest mystery in years.

I can't quiet understand de jog.

Even during the season 12/13 he was praised for his hard work and people saying he is the only good on the team but as soon as he got injured we started winning especially our midfield connected better.

He is available again the season after, we see the exact same thing?

 

[Rickaka]

De Jong is the biggest mystery in years.

I can't quiet understand de jog.

True.

You really don't understand.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Imo de jong is too good to be playing with average midfielders like poli and muntari. He should go to man.utd, he would fit their system very well. We need more valero or montolivo type midfielders.