UEFA Champions League 2015-2016

[Congo Powers]

this is a really good one, really good

 

[jammin]

I like this one, he looks like your slightly deranged uncle that has no idea how to act in social situations

Boateng's look at the end

 

[Congo Powers]

yes, he's acting like he has aspergers

it's not normal behavior to get behind a man bent over like that and rub him..but this never occurs to him

 

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No worries fellow Rurouni Kenshin fan, I understood your sarcasm *coolsmiley*
Yep. That was Rijkaard's base with Pique, Alves, Villa, and Busquets added to it.

No one is saying that Pep is a horrible coach because that would be taking away credit from his job at Barcelona. However, he is vastly overrated and when things got tough; he ditched and went to a team that was arguably the best in the world at the time in both style and players. To me that just shows he's an opportunist and he ditches a team when he sees that they need a new core to build on.

EXACTLY
All coaches make bad moves and he's no different. He tossed out Eto'o who helped them win the CL to get iBra who was clearly ill-fitting to his system.
Eto'o subsequently went to Inter and won a treble. iBra was subsequently replaced with Villa who was practically a white Eto'o...and goes back to winning the CL (and sextuple).

It's like the Ganges of shit taste in here

Impressive quote

It's just a tad bit suspicious that he wanted a "break" from managing once his team declined and he knew they wouldn't be able to play the football he wanted (which was proven the season after when they were destroyed by Bayern and even our shitty Milan side gave them a scare).



You're right every coach is an opportunist to a certain point. But the best coaches tend to want to build teams in their own image and not have a team already built for them. That's what differentiates a visionary from an opportunist.



I wouldn't call him a perfectionist if he doesn't learn from his mistakes. His possession stats are nice and all but they don't matter if he can't dethrone the best teams in Europe.



No he's pretty serious since I know Jammin is a big Pep admirer.

Again

You're spot on actually. Pep left Barca because they weren't playing the football he wanted anymore. You could attribute that to his bad mad management, but that's just who he is. Philosophy > team > individual. That's what Bayern are willing to put up with because of how much they value his brand of football.

Pep definitely builds teams in his own image. At Bayern, he had a great crop of players, who were most importantly to him, able to and willing to adapt to his philosophy. Why should he overhaul one of the most complete squads ever built? If he was ever considering coming to Milan (this is for you, swagger <3), I'm sure he would have demanded a complete overhaul (with the exception of great positional players like Poli and De Jong) or he would have got tfo.
As you, yourself and most of his detractors have pointed out, he's completely changed the way Bayern play, from Heynckes. He's brought in 100% made-for-Pep players, like Alonso, Thiago, Fabregas, reinvented (or tried to) players like Lahm, Alaba, Martinez, Fabregas, and got rid of players that were unwilling or couldn't adapt, like Zlatan and Mandzukic. You look at the way Bayern play right now or Barca (even right now) and you think Guardiola. I really don't see how he hasn't made a team in his own image.
I think you, like Kuja, just do not like the fact that Pep has not started from the bottom, but now he's here. Which is an entirely different point from this "own image" thing, and something I don't really place any significance in. The "started from nothing," "everything on your own," "hard work," etc. etc. narratives bore me. Save it for the 12 year olds with their subjective GOAT debates.

He is too stubborn in his beliefs of trying to pass parked opponents to death. And sometimes going overboard with the high line, not always, Barca usually looked pretty comfortable at the halfway line in big games, and he does go deep at times (like the match vs Dortmund this year).

What I meant by perfectionist, is that he will never stop evolving his system and tactics (but not his philosophy of superiority!), before he finds the perfect way to pass teams to death with a high line

good post. I'm not a Pep fan at all but this is a good post/argument

So? You have horrendous arguments. "Allegri was not bad in the CL" - post a picture of Redknapp and ignore the situation of the game; I don't rate Pep that highly - post a picture of Capello. You're like Dru back when he was screaming his "if you thought one thing but changed your mind you're a hypocrite" tripe but worse. If I think David Luiz is a thoroughly limited defender but like Mexes, am I wrong to like Mexes? Am I obligated to like another defender with odd hair who scores an occasional wonder goal and is aggressive and has brainfarts? That's effectively your entire argument here. "Allegri is great, I don't rate Enrique" - Well, 'picture of Enrique celebrating winning the CL' so you must think Enrique is better than Allegri. It's just so 'derp.

Call me back when Barcelona go 58 games unbeaten, beat Barcelona 4-0 in a CL final.

And it's not that he didn't 'start at the bottom'. I don't care about that. I don't expect him to have worked his way up from Toledo FC or whatever club. He just has never had a challenge. He got given the job at an elite club, tinkered a few things and did very well, moved on to one of the other two elite clubs, tinkered a few things and did very well.

It's why I struggle to see Messi as the messiah when he's only played with his Barcelona buddies or in a worse state for Barcelona.

I don't mind ppl changing their minds. What I mind is being strongly in one direction, labelling ppl who disagree as idiots and then when such ones change their minds - now expect others to agree with their new opinion and the same rules once again apply - i.e. disagree with this (new) opinion and you are now an idiot (again).

No that's fucked up. At least have the humility to admit that you were wrong before and maybe just maybe when someone disagrees, there is nothing wrong with them, it's just a different perspective. You, Kuja are in particular FAMOUS for labelling others who disagree as Anti-Milan (esp for Shitelegri critics), idiots (ppl who don't give a fuck about coefficients) etc...

 

[Massaro94]

If it wasn't for Pep, ibra would never have played in a UCL Semi Final. He should thank Pep for making him a better player and appreciating his teammates around him. Since Ibra left Barca his numbers have been phenomenal. Coincidence ??? I think not.

I don't mind ppl changing their minds. What I mind is being strongly in one direction, labelling ppl who disagree as idiots and then when such ones change their minds - now expect others to agree with their new opinion and the same rules once again apply - i.e. disagree with this (new) opinion and you are now an idiot (again).

No that's fucked up. At least have the humility to admit that you were wrong before and maybe just maybe when someone disagrees, there is nothing wrong with them, it's just a different perspective. You, Kuja are in particular FAMOUS for labelling others who disagree as Anti-Milan (esp for Shitelegri critics), idiots (ppl who don't give a fuck about coefficients) etc...

I've noticed that as well tbh. Seems some are of the Dubya mind... either with us or against us. If you disagree they start hurling insults

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

You're spot on actually. Pep left Barca because they weren't playing the football he wanted anymore. You could attribute that to his bad mad management, but that's just who he is. Philosophy > team > individual. That's what Bayern are willing to put up with because of how much they value his brand of football.

A smart management would put the team before a philosophy. Some philosophies don't fit with certain teams and it hinders them instead. I'm not saying Bayern don't play some good attacking football but they are not playing to their full potential given the midfield and attack they have. I'm willing to bet that if Pep doesn't win the UCL this year, the coach who replaces him will win it.

Pep definitely builds teams in his own image. At Bayern, he had a great crop of players, who were most importantly to him, able to and willing to adapt to his philosophy. Why should he overhaul one of the most complete squads ever built? If he was ever considering coming to Milan (this is for you, swagger <3), I'm sure he would have demanded a complete overhaul (with the exception of great positional players like Poli and De Jong) or he would have got tfo.
As you, yourself and most of his detractors have pointed out, he's completely changed the way Bayern play, from Heynckes. He's brought in 100% made-for-Pep players, like Alonso, Thiago, Fabregas, reinvented (or tried to) players like Lahm, Alaba, Martinez, Fabregas, and got rid of players that were unwilling or couldn't adapt, like Zlatan and Mandzukic. You look at the way Bayern play right now or Barca (even right now) and you think Guardiola. I really don't see how he hasn't made a team in his own image.
I think you, like Kuja, just do not like the fact that Pep has not started from the bottom, but now he's here. Which is an entirely different point from this "own image" thing, and something I don't really place any significance in. The "started from nothing," "everything on your own," "hard work," etc. etc. narratives bore me. Save it for the 12 year olds with their subjective GOAT debates.

He makes them play his style of football but he can't call them his core of players because he didn't choose the majority of them. I'm not saying he should go and coach Catania to get a better reputation among his haters but he should at least coach a big team that is struggling to show the world that he can implement his style even with less talented players and he has a good eye for players when it comes to building a new core. That's the mark of a true genius right there.

He is too stubborn in his beliefs of trying to pass parked opponents to death. And sometimes going overboard with the high line, not always, Barca usually looked pretty comfortable at the halfway line in big games, and he does go deep at times (like the match vs Dortmund this year).

What I meant by perfectionist, is that he will never stop evolving his system and tactics (but not his philosophy of superiority!), before he finds the perfect way to pass teams to death with a high line

That highline is crucial for his system though. It he doesn't put up a high line then he can't play his possession football. I admit Pep isn't a bad coach but he needs to learn to adapt to his players better. He has the same issue that Mourinho has: which is he holds his philosophy on a pedestal and fails to see how much better he could play if he combined different styles of play.

 

[Mr Delicious]

You're spot on actually. Pep left Barca because they weren't playing the football he wanted anymore. You could attribute that to his bad mad management, but that's just who he is. Philosophy > team > individual. That's what Bayern are willing to put up with because of how much they value his brand of football.

Pep definitely builds teams in his own image. At Bayern, he had a great crop of players, who were most importantly to him, able to and willing to adapt to his philosophy. Why should he overhaul one of the most complete squads ever built? If he was ever considering coming to Milan (this is for you, swagger <3), I'm sure he would have demanded a complete overhaul (with the exception of great positional players like Poli and De Jong) or he would have got tfo.
As you, yourself and most of his detractors have pointed out, he's completely changed the way Bayern play, from Heynckes. He's brought in 100% made-for-Pep players, like Alonso, Thiago, Fabregas, reinvented (or tried to) players like Lahm, Alaba, Martinez, Fabregas, and got rid of players that were unwilling or couldn't adapt, like Zlatan and Mandzukic. You look at the way Bayern play right now or Barca (even right now) and you think Guardiola. I really don't see how he hasn't made a team in his own image.
I think you, like Kuja, just do not like the fact that Pep has not started from the bottom, but now he's here. Which is an entirely different point from this "own image" thing, and something I don't really place any significance in. The "started from nothing," "everything on your own," "hard work," etc. etc. narratives bore me. Save it for the 12 year olds with their subjective GOAT debates.

He is too stubborn in his beliefs of trying to pass parked opponents to death. And sometimes going overboard with the high line, not always, Barca usually looked pretty comfortable at the halfway line in big games, and he does go deep at times (like the match vs Dortmund this year).

What I meant by perfectionist, is that he will never stop evolving his system and tactics (but not his philosophy of superiority!), before he finds the perfect way to pass teams to death with a high line

Wow, i applaud you. Fantastic post

I hinted to alot of this in the Allegri thread but you articulated it far better than i did/could.

 

[MilanMB]

don't like pep nor his football, but the man is quality.

 

[necromancer]

Pep is actually a good coach. Slightly crazy, but certainly better than Van Gaal, Heynckes and other such boring jackasses.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

pep better than heynckes. wow

 

[Sage]

heynckes is a boring jackass?

necro, pls stick to watching serie A highlights

 

[Wild]

pep better than heynckes. wow

No no .... Heynckes is a much better coach .... Right ?
Necro can put trophies record and his case is closed.

 

[Sage]

pep took a treble winning team and he can't even make the final with them.

#caseclosed

 

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"Heynckes and other such boring jackass"??

 

[Balo45]

pep took a treble winning team and he can't even make the final with them.

#caseclosed

Meh. Overused argument. Nobody has won back to back champions league titles ever, and he had to change the entire way the team was playing. Also barca and madrid have invested a lot to match bayerns squad. Of course he could/should do better but I wont hate Pep for not winning the champions league in only two years there.

 

[jammin]

heynckes is a boring jackass?

necro, pls stick to watching serie A highlights

 

[Ragazza]

i know this is a week late...but watched the taped PSG -vs- real game last night...dang, cavani !!

 

[General]

Pep football has been exposed.

So he coaches messi's Barca and the super team from Bayern...

When will anyone learn- those teams will win with any coach that has a pulse.



For me- a coach who can move to multiple teams and pull a CL out of it is a bigger statement.


Bayern winning the league? Fucking SHOCKER


Carlo and Mou have the art of man management and philosophy that Pep will never have.


Bandwagon fans point to Mou's current year and say he's mediocre.


Pep can suck my cock

 

[Soldier_of_god]

No no .... Heynckes is a much better coach .... Right ?
Necro can put trophies record and his case is closed.

Yea maybe in his dreams. Just no. No way.

 

[General]

He built a better Bayern...

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Heynckes literally squats and shits on pep's pube face. He pukes on his face.

 

[Massaro94]

Pep football has been exposed.

You might have a point... they only won 4-0 at the weekend.

#PepRaus

 

[Wild]

Carlo didnt do much with inferior teams either.
He always managed big teams & sacked for underachieving like Pep is doing right now with Bayern.
Mou is the only coach mentioned that overachieved with teams that arent used on wining the CL and he did that twice , Porto & Inter.
However , Pep with Bayern is not over yet , lets wait and see what he achieved when he leaves them.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Thats true wild. But then again that 2010 inter team was a loaded side. Its not like he coached a team that wasnt top 4 quality in ucl.
Porto also had some great talents but that one i give him credit for. He did over achieve with porto.

 

[Wild]

Inter always have good teams but Mou made them solid enough to have the greatest ever season.

 

[General]

You might have a point... they only won 4-0 at the weekend.

#PepRaus

Bandwagon fan has been exposed

 

[Qaas]

Inter always have good teams but Mou made them solid enough to have the greatest ever season.

Where the serie a was shiiit

 

[Tadej]

Carlo didnt do much with inferior teams either.
He always managed big teams & sacked for underachieving like Pep is doing right now with Bayern.
Mou is the only coach mentioned that overachieved with teams that arent used on wining the CL and he did that twice , Porto & Inter.
However , Pep with Bayern is not over yet , lets wait and see what he achieved when he leaves them.

Both teams were very strong.

 

[Massaro94]

Thats true wild. But then again that 2010 inter team was a loaded side. Its not like he coached a team that wasnt top 4 quality in ucl.
Porto also had some great talents but that one i give him credit for. He did over achieve with porto.

Marseille, Partizan, United, Lyon, Deportivo, Monaco.

A total of 1 UCL trophy between these highlighted teams

Such a tough run.

Grande Borinho

GOAT

Where the serie a was shiiit

 

[Soldier_of_god]

But deportivo, lyon and united were all excellent back then. They had great teams. You are judging them based on their brand value and their past achievements. If you objectively look at the calibre of players in those said teams had then you would realize that they were good at the time. In saying that, we really should have won the ucl that year. Carlo choked massively. Thats why wild despises him. But he takes it way too far when it comes to carlo's achievements.