The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

How is it mutually exclusive? Winning financially and in terms of engagement and branding does not mean we're not also building towards sporting success. It's all part of the same process. We want sporting success, and even in the most cynical view, Gerry wants only financial success. Well, they both have to happen together or they won't happen at all. We only get sporting success through good financial health, and we only get an extremely high valuation for a club sale with big sporting success. You can't get one without the other.

At no point have I said anything is exclusive.

I've acknowledged the importance of financial incomings and said social media and marketing can help with that.

Do social media likes get goals?

Read my post again, I'm saying whole it's a GOOD thing in today's age, we're still needing to address some day to day fundamentals at the football level.

We're still a football club!

While the business side should make the football side better, let's not only concentrate on the business side... There is not Accounting Scudetto lol, I want actual trophies in the cabinet.

I can be cynical and want footballing success, while seeing the need for strong finances to do so... You can look at the spreadsheets and the table and acknowledge both while questioning the cons and celebrating the pros.

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

I know.

Look I’ve seen how Madrid atmosphere has changed since they banned the ultras. Even a bit of the Beckham documentary or the old Capello matches of Madrid in the 2000s I was watching few weeks ago, I can tell the difference in atmosphere. It ain’t the same.

But I guess it’s a question about morals and safety.

I don’t like seeing criminals feeling the need of being so important, criminals who even recently racially abused Lukaku, stabbed someone and sent them to the hospital and send a threatening banner to cut the tongue of an Inter player because he sang some chant.

Not only that, this section of fans who booed Maldini in their farewell match, something I will never ever forget and forgive.

Pioli should not owe an explanation to these kind of people.

Do you not think there's value in at least someone holding people to account?

While they may act like degenerates sometimes, currently no one at the club is showing accountability to anyone, and that's a worry.

Pioli acknowledging a passionate section of the fanbase shows to the greater fanbase that he's aware of the issue and isn't above anyone, when having to explain certain things.

This for me is another example of the bald prick not acknowledging how angry some of us are and why.

 

[Alo88]

Social media Scudetto trophy next to the accounting one, and we want to be challenging for the meme championship as well... #winning

It's in line with our glorious owners wishes and this new generation will bathe in the glory of "likes" over W's at times.

While I see the importance of media presence, and acknowledge the financial benefit it can bring... Can we address so e of the simple day to day football shit as well?

Honestly I hope upper management are all over our issues rather than soaking up the sun in our new offices in Dubai.

I'd way rather Maldini got offices in Ibiza yo be fair lol, Bunga Bunga Bunga!!!

I think that's what they are doing every day tbf. We may not agree with some of their decisions. But I don't think they are blind to what's not working on the sporting side.

 

[milanator]

Do you not think there's value in at least someone holding people to account?

While they may act like degenerates sometimes, currently no one at the club is showing accountability to anyone, and that's a worry.

Pioli acknowledging a passionate section of the fanbase shows to the greater fanbase that he's aware of the issue and isn't above anyone, when having to explain certain things.

This for me is another example of the bald prick not acknowledging how angry some of us are and why.

It is not like we are in the relegation zone. It is not Pioli s job to be a vent for other peoples frustrations.

Also in a professionally run club ultras should be ignored on sporting matters, if they want to have a say on merchandise that's one thing but they surely don't deserve a say in any really important decisions.

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

I think that's what they are doing every day tbf. We may not agree with some of their decisions. But I don't think they are blind to what's not working on the sporting side.

I know I know, but their focus doesn't look like it's on footballing matters just now... "We'll discuss it", isn't very obviously proactive.

I have said that injuries and poor results damages the image and value of assets. So if we're looking at things from a business point of view, losing points and damaging players isn't great for the cash flow... "Likes" can only be turned into money so much.

 

[Cloren]

I can’t believe, it’s been 4 years.

I’ve waited for this since 2020.

 

[Thenebra]

I can’t believe, it’s been 4 years.

I’ve waited for this since 2020.

 

[theduck7]

I can’t believe, it’s been 4 years.

I’ve waited for this since 2020.

Exactly my friend-why now like this is new news? Finally some heat on this from the media-can only help us

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

I can’t believe, it’s been 4 years.

I’ve waited for this since 2020.

Algorithms set too "doesn't get injured" next mercato?

 

[ACM14061988]

The municipal council of Milano voted to candidate San Siro to host the 2026 or 2027 CL final. Uefa will answer in May

 

[theduck7]

Algorithms set too "doesn't get injured" next mercato?

For all these algorithms it's mad how we go for guys with injury history like RLC, Samu and Pul

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

For all these algorithms it's mad how we go for guys with injury history like RLC, Samu and Pul

I know, right????!!!!

 

[mrki]

Looks like Fenerbache is still pushing to buy Krunic in January

Please be true

 

[Bird]

if we sack pioli now, Napoli will likely hire him and we won’t need to pay his wages. Wrote this few weeks ago and Garcia is now inevitably sacked

Post in thread 'The Rumour Commode XLIII: A Cardinal Win'
https://forum.acmilan-online.com/threads/the-rumour-commode-xliii-a-cardinal-win.16483/post-3863376

Knowing how ADL operates, he will ask COMPENSATION from Milan for hiring bioli.

This man fired Spaletti and demanded money from FIGC so he would RELEASE Spaletti from his contract!

 

[ACM14061988]

Suma said the plan is to play Camarda few minutes but from next year, it is pure madness to think he can play with Fiorentina and he said his agent must do better to him than Raiola to Donnarumma. Regarding Krunic he says Fenerbache need to pay with money not with headlines on the press, Milan want money and won't let the press help Fenerbache, if Fenerbache want him they must pay his value which is the value of a Milan starting player

 

[brk]

There have been 15 red cards in total in Serie A this season.

4 were for Milan.

 

[milanator]

Suma said the plan is to play Camarda few minutes but from next year, it is pure madness to think he can play with Fiorentina and he said his agent must do better to him than Raiola to Donnarumma. Regarding Krunic he says Fenerbache need to pay with money not with headlines on the press, Milan want money and won't let the press help Fenerbache, if Fenerbache want him they must pay his value which is the value of a Milan starting player

They should at least cough up 10m for Krunic. He is one of the cheapest players both in terms of wages and overall cost on the team, even if we just let him run down that indirectly saves us quite some money potentially.
I do think however that it would be a good point to sell, but we surely don't need to bend over.

There have been 15 red cards in total in Serie A this season.

4 were for Milan.

Worse are the many light yellow cards we get in general. First half against PSG illustrated what difference a more normal refereeing in terms of yellows can make.

 

[Nalim]

You're saying that as if that's a bad thing. 8-10th in the world is pretty much our ceiling for now. Let's list the top 7 teams in Europe:

Man City
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
PSG
Arsenal
Liverpool

That eighth spot is between Chelsea, Man United, Tottenham, Inter, Milan, Napoli, Juventus, Dortmund, Atletico and maybe a few more depending on form. There are a LOT of good clubs in Europe. Being in the top 8 is our goal. We're not going to be the uniquely top like we were before in the Berlusconi era. That is impossible now. As long as we're in the top handful of clubs, where we can dominate Serie A and challenge consistently for the CL, we're good.

As for our brand image, it's skyrocketing back up again. Every year we get back many steps closer to where we were before the banter era. A few more years and it will be as if that dark decade never happened.

I didn’t know which of your posts I should quote so I just chose this one, but I will be commenting on points you’ve made across several posts from today.

I agree that, barring a takeover from a sovereign state, we can only get back to the top through sustainability.

I also agree that the business we’ve done on the transfer market has been largely positive and it has undoubtedly raised the level of quality in the squad.

We’re going in the right direction but from where I’m standing it’s far from a given it will lead to us where you think it will.
There are a handful of clubs out there that are as sustainable and with much more financial power than us that are still far from being part of Europe’s elite.
A club needs defined ambitions and a clear plan for how it wants to play on the pitch in order to meet it’s goals. I don’t believe such a plan exists and if it does I’m afraid Pioli is at the heart and centre of it. Why else would they have kept him in the summer even though he had just completed a historically bad title defence?

You and I both think De Zerbi would be perfect for us. But whereas you think he will definitely come in the summer I believe he’s set his sights on bigger jobs.
“But it’s his dream job!”
Where are you getting this from? I’ve never read that he’s expressed any specific desire to coach Milan. On the contrary I remember reading that he wanted to go on to coach in Germany and Spain in order to become a complete coach. De Zerbi at Barca or Bayern? Doesn’t sound too outlandish to me.

If you’re right and his dream is to coach Milan, what will the management do if Pioli does get us out of the CL group as well as end the season in top4?
I’d love to think they’ll show the same ruthlessness as they did with Maldini and replace Pioli with RDZ, but I wouldn’t count on it. Nothing they’ve done so far has convinced me this is the path they want to go down.

Lastly I have to disagree that our brand is skyrocketing.

This is how the top 20 clubs with the most SoMe followers looked in September this year:


And this is who gained the most in the past year:

The second graph definitely puts your claim that our brand is skyrocketing into perspective.
Sure we’re gaining a larger following but not a the same speed as many of the teams we want to compare ourselves with. Mind you, we even reached a CL semi-final this year.
Maybe our social media presence isn’t very effective or maybe people just aren’t very impressed when they tune in to watch our matches. It’s probably a bit of both.

To sum up, we both agree that the club overall are doing some great work to move us in the right direction. Could they do more? I think so especially from a tactical/technical pov.
Will we return to the top by 2026? You seem certain. I have my doubts.

You can continue to present hypotheticals as facts, but it doesn’t make them any less hypothetical. And by looking at the actual facts (i.e Pioli is still our coach and there are no indications it will change anytime soon) I don’t see any guarantees that we will have reached the top by 2026.

 

[Thenebra]

The lies just keep piling up over here.

 

[Tantalis]

I'd take social media followers gained with a grain of salt considering how rampant bots are on social media.

 

[ACM14061988]

We won the first battle



Milan stadium in the city council: five hours of tension-filled debate, including the police in the room. "No stadium" petition rejected by the majority.

As Il Cittadino reports, there were five hours of discussion, even heated confrontation, protests and controversies, three interruptions and a lot of tension with the presence of the police in the room. The council addressed the petition against the stadium project filed, accompanied by over 1300 signatures, last July, against the opinion of the promoting committee which had asked for the point to be withdrawn.

The promoters wanted to withdraw the vote on the petition because, according to them, the petition would not have been treated according to the municipal regulations. The petition, in fact, would have been transformed into a motion and the proponents who would not have received a reasoned response from the Mayor would not have been involved. The majority, however, pointed out that the petition, not being regulated, was legitimately transformed into a motion with the possibility of speaking for 5 minutes per councilor. And the presence of the promoters would have been in conflict of interest, as would the discussion by the signatory councillors, a clear political act of wanting to register the petition (while there are citizens who might be against it). Why were the promoters involved for other petitions? Because in those cases the Council decided on the topic at the same time, whereas in the last session the filed variant had not yet come to the vote.

Ergo, despite the request for withdrawal of the point, the petition against the stadium project was not only transformed into a motion but still discussed and voted on by the Council, receiving an overwhelming vote against (the 4 against of the PD left without voting and with them Gina Falbo of Insieme per SDonato and Forenza della Lega). The Council will only express its opinion when evaluating the variant requested by Sportlifecity which, the Mayor reminds us, already has the right to build (but with the old project, ed.) based on previous decisions of the Municipality.

The point, presented after the mayor's communications who hoped for the return of a "civil confrontation" and after a "question time" which addressed the Democratic Party's request for detailed and precise information on the technical times of meetings and discussions between the interested parties to the project - question time which, according to the PD councillors, would not have «dissolved the fog that has been enveloping the whole affair for some time» - was at the center of a bitter confrontation between the majority and the minority, which contested the choice to transform the petition into a motion without the direct involvement of the promoters, but also with the public, who on several occasions made noise and contested the majority's declarations. The petition, in other words, was burned by the promoters because they moved too early, demanding a discussion on a topic that had not yet come to a vote.

Finally, the Mayor rebukes the dissenting minority with a very incisive thrust: "in the past I became aware of the old Sportlifecity project (which envisaged a 20,000-seat arena and associated structures, not a simple gym) only during the election campaign: no environmentalist or no-stadium committee. Everything was hidden to the point that they arrived at the resolution that approved the construction without having involved politics or citizens. Furthermore, in 2017, the Mayor who preceded me (now against, ed.) nominated the area which is being talked about today (article of the day, ed.), offering it to Milan for the new stadium. My thought is this: six years ago Chiaravalle wasn't there? Wasn't land consumption there? The past administration was very in favor of the stadium in the same area. Why did they change their mind today? My statements may be annoying but they are pure and simple truths."

The council's position is clear, illustrated by the response document presented by the mayor, who reiterated that "the private individual is presenting a private intervention on a private area of which he is the owner".

The next round, therefore, is expected when the Municipality's preliminary investigation process has been completed and the Council will be asked to approve or not the variant of Sportlifecity (not of Milan, the Mayor tends to point out), a subject that can already build on the basis to the old project having received all the necessary authorizations. Once the variant has been approved (estimated by the end of the year-beginning of 2024), the program agreement will begin with the involvement of all the interested PAs who - based on a calendar that will be drawn up - will have to proceed with all the necessary approvals and assessments.

 

[brk]

I didn’t know which of your posts I should quote so I just chose this one, but I will be commenting on points you’ve made across several posts from today.

I agree that, barring a takeover from a sovereign state, we can only get back to the top through sustainability.

I also agree that the business we’ve done on the transfer market has been largely positive and it has undoubtedly raised the level of quality in the squad.

We’re going in the right direction but from where I’m standing it’s far from a given it will lead to us where you think it will.
There are a handful of clubs out there that are as sustainable and with much more financial power than us that are still far from being part of Europe’s elite.
A club needs defined ambitions and a clear plan for how it wants to play on the pitch in order to meet it’s goals. I don’t believe such a plan exists and if it does I’m afraid Pioli is at the heart and centre of it. Why else would they have kept him in the summer even though he had just completed a historically bad title defence?

You and I both think De Zerbi would be perfect for us. But whereas you think he will definitely come in the summer I believe he’s set his sights on bigger jobs.
“But it’s his dream job!”
Where are you getting this from? I’ve never read that he’s expressed any specific desire to coach Milan. On the contrary I remember reading that he wanted to go on to coach in Germany and Spain in order to become a complete coach. De Zerbi at Barca or Bayern? Doesn’t sound too outlandish to me.

If you’re right and his dream is to coach Milan, what will the management do if Pioli does get us out of the CL group as well as end the season in top4?
I’d love to think they’ll show the same ruthlessness as they did with Maldini and replace Pioli with RDZ, but I wouldn’t count on it. Nothing they’ve done so far has convinced me this is the path they want to go down.

Lastly I have to disagree that our brand is skyrocketing.

This is how the top 20 clubs with the most SoMe followers looked in September this year:
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And this is who gained the most in the past year:
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The second graph definitely puts your claim that our brand is skyrocketing into perspective.
Sure we’re gaining a larger following but not a the same speed as many of the teams we want to compare ourselves with. Mind you, we even reached a CL semi-final this year.
Maybe our social media presence isn’t very effective or maybe people just aren’t very impressed when they tune in to watch our matches. It’s probably a bit of both.

To sum up, we both agree that the club overall are doing some great work to move us in the right direction. Could they do more? I think so especially from a tactical/technical pov.
Will we return to the top by 2026? You seem certain. I have my doubts.

You can continue to present hypotheticals as facts, but it doesn’t make them any less hypothetical. And by looking at the actual facts (i.e Pioli is still our coach and there are no indications it will change anytime soon) I don’t see any guarantees that we will have reached the top by 2026.

Toulouse fired their coach after he got them promoted and then won the French cup, getting them into the Europa League. I don't doubt for a second that RB will fire Pioli in the summer if they can get RDZ.

Social media followers is one metric. Brand loyalty and value is another, and that can be measured in the sponsorships we're getting. We've been tying up a LOT of sponsorships lately and that's reflected in our commercial revenue never being higher. Most of your charts also don't fully bake in the impact of Pulisic. As long as he keeps performing he's going to supercharge our numbers

 

[brk]

We won the first battle



Milan stadium in the city council: five hours of tension-filled debate, including the police in the room. "No stadium" petition rejected by the majority.

As Il Cittadino reports, there were five hours of discussion, even heated confrontation, protests and controversies, three interruptions and a lot of tension with the presence of the police in the room. The council addressed the petition against the stadium project filed, accompanied by over 1300 signatures, last July, against the opinion of the promoting committee which had asked for the point to be withdrawn.

The promoters wanted to withdraw the vote on the petition because, according to them, the petition would not have been treated according to the municipal regulations. The petition, in fact, would have been transformed into a motion and the proponents who would not have received a reasoned response from the Mayor would not have been involved. The majority, however, pointed out that the petition, not being regulated, was legitimately transformed into a motion with the possibility of speaking for 5 minutes per councilor. And the presence of the promoters would have been in conflict of interest, as would the discussion by the signatory councillors, a clear political act of wanting to register the petition (while there are citizens who might be against it). Why were the promoters involved for other petitions? Because in those cases the Council decided on the topic at the same time, whereas in the last session the filed variant had not yet come to the vote.

Ergo, despite the request for withdrawal of the point, the petition against the stadium project was not only transformed into a motion but still discussed and voted on by the Council, receiving an overwhelming vote against (the 4 against of the PD left without voting and with them Gina Falbo of Insieme per SDonato and Forenza della Lega). The Council will only express its opinion when evaluating the variant requested by Sportlifecity which, the Mayor reminds us, already has the right to build (but with the old project, ed.) based on previous decisions of the Municipality.

The point, presented after the mayor's communications who hoped for the return of a "civil confrontation" and after a "question time" which addressed the Democratic Party's request for detailed and precise information on the technical times of meetings and discussions between the interested parties to the project - question time which, according to the PD councillors, would not have «dissolved the fog that has been enveloping the whole affair for some time» - was at the center of a bitter confrontation between the majority and the minority, which contested the choice to transform the petition into a motion without the direct involvement of the promoters, but also with the public, who on several occasions made noise and contested the majority's declarations. The petition, in other words, was burned by the promoters because they moved too early, demanding a discussion on a topic that had not yet come to a vote.

Finally, the Mayor rebukes the dissenting minority with a very incisive thrust: "in the past I became aware of the old Sportlifecity project (which envisaged a 20,000-seat arena and associated structures, not a simple gym) only during the election campaign: no environmentalist or no-stadium committee. Everything was hidden to the point that they arrived at the resolution that approved the construction without having involved politics or citizens. Furthermore, in 2017, the Mayor who preceded me (now against, ed.) nominated the area which is being talked about today (article of the day, ed.), offering it to Milan for the new stadium. My thought is this: six years ago Chiaravalle wasn't there? Wasn't land consumption there? The past administration was very in favor of the stadium in the same area. Why did they change their mind today? My statements may be annoying but they are pure and simple truths."

The council's position is clear, illustrated by the response document presented by the mayor, who reiterated that "the private individual is presenting a private intervention on a private area of which he is the owner".

The next round, therefore, is expected when the Municipality's preliminary investigation process has been completed and the Council will be asked to approve or not the variant of Sportlifecity (not of Milan, the Mayor tends to point out), a subject that can already build on the basis to the old project having received all the necessary authorizations. Once the variant has been approved (estimated by the end of the year-beginning of 2024), the program agreement will begin with the involvement of all the interested PAs who - based on a calendar that will be drawn up - will have to proceed with all the necessary approvals and assessments.

Mayor making it a point to always say SPL and not Milan.

 

[Ash]

Suma said we should consider last mercato like the 2001 mercato with Inzaghi, Pirlo and Rui Costa a great mercato but that left unfinished business and then in 2002 we bought Seedorf, Nesta and Tomasson. He said 2024 mercato will fix all the holes, don't worry he said, at Milan we know what we need to fix and we will fix it

Dont these guys get tired of peddling thr same BS every single season?

Atleast come up with some new BS excuses


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[Bird]

We won the first battle



Milan stadium in the city council: five hours of tension-filled debate, including the police in the room. "No stadium" petition rejected by the majority.

As Il Cittadino reports, there were five hours of discussion, even heated confrontation, protests and controversies, three interruptions and a lot of tension with the presence of the police in the room. The council addressed the petition against the stadium project filed, accompanied by over 1300 signatures, last July, against the opinion of the promoting committee which had asked for the point to be withdrawn.

The promoters wanted to withdraw the vote on the petition because, according to them, the petition would not have been treated according to the municipal regulations. The petition, in fact, would have been transformed into a motion and the proponents who would not have received a reasoned response from the Mayor would not have been involved. The majority, however, pointed out that the petition, not being regulated, was legitimately transformed into a motion with the possibility of speaking for 5 minutes per councilor. And the presence of the promoters would have been in conflict of interest, as would the discussion by the signatory councillors, a clear political act of wanting to register the petition (while there are citizens who might be against it). Why were the promoters involved for other petitions? Because in those cases the Council decided on the topic at the same time, whereas in the last session the filed variant had not yet come to the vote.

Ergo, despite the request for withdrawal of the point, the petition against the stadium project was not only transformed into a motion but still discussed and voted on by the Council, receiving an overwhelming vote against (the 4 against of the PD left without voting and with them Gina Falbo of Insieme per SDonato and Forenza della Lega). The Council will only express its opinion when evaluating the variant requested by Sportlifecity which, the Mayor reminds us, already has the right to build (but with the old project, ed.) based on previous decisions of the Municipality.

The point, presented after the mayor's communications who hoped for the return of a "civil confrontation" and after a "question time" which addressed the Democratic Party's request for detailed and precise information on the technical times of meetings and discussions between the interested parties to the project - question time which, according to the PD councillors, would not have «dissolved the fog that has been enveloping the whole affair for some time» - was at the center of a bitter confrontation between the majority and the minority, which contested the choice to transform the petition into a motion without the direct involvement of the promoters, but also with the public, who on several occasions made noise and contested the majority's declarations. The petition, in other words, was burned by the promoters because they moved too early, demanding a discussion on a topic that had not yet come to a vote.

Finally, the Mayor rebukes the dissenting minority with a very incisive thrust: "in the past I became aware of the old Sportlifecity project (which envisaged a 20,000-seat arena and associated structures, not a simple gym) only during the election campaign: no environmentalist or no-stadium committee. Everything was hidden to the point that they arrived at the resolution that approved the construction without having involved politics or citizens. Furthermore, in 2017, the Mayor who preceded me (now against, ed.) nominated the area which is being talked about today (article of the day, ed.), offering it to Milan for the new stadium. My thought is this: six years ago Chiaravalle wasn't there? Wasn't land consumption there? The past administration was very in favor of the stadium in the same area. Why did they change their mind today? My statements may be annoying but they are pure and simple truths."

The council's position is clear, illustrated by the response document presented by the mayor, who reiterated that "the private individual is presenting a private intervention on a private area of which he is the owner".

The next round, therefore, is expected when the Municipality's preliminary investigation process has been completed and the Council will be asked to approve or not the variant of Sportlifecity (not of Milan, the Mayor tends to point out), a subject that can already build on the basis to the old project having received all the necessary authorizations. Once the variant has been approved (estimated by the end of the year-beginning of 2024), the program agreement will begin with the involvement of all the interested PAs who - based on a calendar that will be drawn up - will have to proceed with all the necessary approvals and assessments.

Can we enter this into brkGPT to get a TLDR?

 

[ACM14061988]

Can we enter this into brkGPT to get a TLDR?

The petition against the stadium has been rejected by an overwhelming majority

 

[icculus71]

i know a lot of us want success now or even think that we are at or around ground zero.
the fact is, until we move into the new stadium and generate the funds necessary to compete for the established world class players, we wont be at ground zero, but underground.

the way i see it, we are currently building the foundation (which are underground). this foundation however is extremely ambitious.
They are basically building a fuckin Milan city...centered by a 70k seat stadium. this investment would be quite idiodic if the team sucked.

Our ownership might not completely understand football, do player evaluations, force management to buy certain players or play formations.
What our ownership does understand, is to create the brand necessary to support the billion(s) investested into "AC Milan city", they need to not only be good in Seria A, but be a global powerhouse.

We all scream about a CF...that I agree is much needed. However, do we really think that Teremi was the answer? I would bet anyone of you that Redbird plans on being able to afford the next Holland, once the foundation is built. The task of management at this point is to maintain the growth, as best they can, living inside the budgetary constraints. I think they got the one of the best management teams to find young, less expensive talent and hope to strike gold.

I am with brk on this...sure current form is fustrating, sure, pioli is probably not the best coach to even manage this stage, but after the banter era, we all have reason to be excited.
hate to think that these are throw away years, because they are not...they are actually really important to evaluate and prepare for the future world dominance by AC Milan.

(maybe the losses to undine and lecce are good things...imagine we got lucky and squeeked out some ugly wins in those games...we played the exactly same, just got lucky and put a goal in...would Pioli be under this much scrutiny? would his limitations/decisisons/attitude be this prevelant?)

 

[iamditi]

If Pioli get sacked before christmas, from the available coaches i dislike everyone, but if i have to choose one it would be Conte.

I like De Zerbi, i want him, but have we been linked with him, any rumour? The only thing we have been heard from what i remember is his only interview when he talked about us.

If they want to continue with unknown coaches then they should have a good idea for our play style, like Berlu did with coaches he hired, they inspired the world.

FORZA MILAN posted many times about Donadoni for the next coach but i havent read it anywhere else, lets see.

 

[theduck7]

If Pioli get sacked before christmas, from the available coaches i dislike everyone, but if i have to choose one it would be Conte.

I like De Zerbi, i want him, but have we been linked with him, any rumour? The only thing we have been heard from what i remember is his only interview when he talked about us.

If they want to continue with unknown coaches then they should have a good idea for our play style, like Berlu did with coaches he hired, they inspired the world.

FORZA MILAN posted many times about Donadoni for the next coach but i havent read it anywhere else, lets see.

Let's get Abate in until the end of the season if we crash out CL and lose ground in the league

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

I didn’t know which of your posts I should quote so I just chose this one, but I will be commenting on points you’ve made across several posts from today.

I agree that, barring a takeover from a sovereign state, we can only get back to the top through sustainability.

I also agree that the business we’ve done on the transfer market has been largely positive and it has undoubtedly raised the level of quality in the squad.

We’re going in the right direction but from where I’m standing it’s far from a given it will lead to us where you think it will.
There are a handful of clubs out there that are as sustainable and with much more financial power than us that are still far from being part of Europe’s elite.
A club needs defined ambitions and a clear plan for how it wants to play on the pitch in order to meet it’s goals. I don’t believe such a plan exists and if it does I’m afraid Pioli is at the heart and centre of it. Why else would they have kept him in the summer even though he had just completed a historically bad title defence?

You and I both think De Zerbi would be perfect for us. But whereas you think he will definitely come in the summer I believe he’s set his sights on bigger jobs.
“But it’s his dream job!”
Where are you getting this from? I’ve never read that he’s expressed any specific desire to coach Milan. On the contrary I remember reading that he wanted to go on to coach in Germany and Spain in order to become a complete coach. De Zerbi at Barca or Bayern? Doesn’t sound too outlandish to me.

If you’re right and his dream is to coach Milan, what will the management do if Pioli does get us out of the CL group as well as end the season in top4?
I’d love to think they’ll show the same ruthlessness as they did with Maldini and replace Pioli with RDZ, but I wouldn’t count on it. Nothing they’ve done so far has convinced me this is the path they want to go down.

Lastly I have to disagree that our brand is skyrocketing.

This is how the top 20 clubs with the most SoMe followers looked in September this year:
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And this is who gained the most in the past year:
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The second graph definitely puts your claim that our brand is skyrocketing into perspective.
Sure we’re gaining a larger following but not a the same speed as many of the teams we want to compare ourselves with. Mind you, we even reached a CL semi-final this year.
Maybe our social media presence isn’t very effective or maybe people just aren’t very impressed when they tune in to watch our matches. It’s probably a bit of both.

To sum up, we both agree that the club overall are doing some great work to move us in the right direction. Could they do more? I think so especially from a tactical/technical pov.
Will we return to the top by 2026? You seem certain. I have my doubts.

You can continue to present hypotheticals as facts, but it doesn’t make them any less hypothetical. And by looking at the actual facts (i.e Pioli is still our coach and there are no indications it will change anytime soon) I don’t see any guarantees that we will have reached the top by 2026.

So we're not winning the social media Scudetto???