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Nah, Kone is starting for France. One of the most obvious top players back then available for peanuts, but ironically our French scout obsessed with black French players somehow missed him and signed a similar profile only times shittier
top player back then??? that’s pushing it

two years ago fofana was the much better player, without any doubts. a france regular who started in a world cup semi-final btw. everyone here was craving about him

change their clubs and we would say the same things about kone
 
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I think Torriani can do the sweeper thing! He actually is good with his feet. But its a mentality thing. Torriani takes less risks in coming out of goal. But he should do it more. He can learn that for sure.
Its not like Mike has been clean in coming out and passing, he makes so many mistakes at that.
Mike is a decent to good goalkeeper with worldclass moments. But if he would leave I wouldn’t cry about it.

I guess theoretically he can learn it but practically I am sceptical. It is not rare that GKs don't manage to add that to their game and Torriani seems more conservative then most, he would imo need to get to a normal level first.

Imo this is Mike's best attribute and he is fearless. I am less worried with Mike at the half way line than with him facing a near corner shot.
 
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top player back then??? that’s pushing it

two years ago fofana was the much better player, without any doubts. a france regular who started in a world cup semi-final btw. everyone here was craving about him

change their clubs and we would say the same things about kone
I’ve been drooling over Kone since 2022 so I strongly disagree
 
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Its enigma how Loftus always stays. The dude is pure trash
Loftus is still an amateur compared to Saelemaekers who should write a book on how to scam a club into keeping him.
Didn't even realize we extended his contract until 2031 which is not just shocking, but absolutely mind-blowing and unreal.
It's not just that we keep him, it's also the fact that he's actually a starter most of the time. You can't explain this to a sane person.
 
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Loftus is still an amateur compared to Saelemaekers who should write a book on how to scam a club into keeping him.
Didn't even realize we extended his contract until 2031 which is not just shocking, but absolutely mind-blowing and unreal.
It's not just that we keep him, it's also the fact that he's actually a starter most of the time. You can't explain this to a sane person.
And we turned down offers of like 15M for this absolute shit for brains 🤣
 

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@86_longo: Torino want a loan deal with an option to buy for Cissé.
 

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They have done absolutely nothing, we granted them the additional days. Even the other players have 3 days off.
There is no rule violation.

My intention wasn't to turn this into another huge controversy, especially at a time when every little thing seems to get blown completely out of proportion. Four extra days of vacation aren't some massive scandal in themselves. But with Maignan, I simply expect more because he's not just another player. He's our captain and supposedly one of the leaders of this team.

Mike is someone who likes to make big speeches about Milan and what this club means. He made the club come back twice before finally renewing his contract, he's now one of the highest-paid players in the squad and he wears an armband that should come with higher standards and greater responsibility. So yes, I judge him differently from some random squad player. I think that's perfectly fair.

I already found it extremely disappointing that he apparently couldn't interrupt his vacation for one day to attend Franco Baresi's funeral. Of course players need holidays and of course they need time to recover. But come on. Unless Mike was vacationing on fucking Mars, I'm pretty sure a millionaire footballer – or Milan themselves – could have found a comfortable way to fly the captain of AC Milan to Milan for the funeral of arguably the greatest symbol this club has ever had. Be there. Show your face. Represent the team on an incredibly sad but important day. Then go straight back to your vacation. I thought his absence was very weak, but I didn't make much of it because again, not every little thing needs to become a controversy.

And now it's another four days.

Again, the four days themselves aren't the point. It's the example you're setting. The rest of the squad has just travelled across continents, played friendlies and worked throughout the preseason. Mike hasn't. He could easily spend these days at Milanello getting his body going again, working individually and preparing himself so that when the squad returns, he's ready to train with them and lead them. Even if he isn't going to play a single minute against Manchester United, you're the fucking captain. Be there. Show presence. Lead.

What are four additional vacation days really going to give him over the course of an entire season? Probably absolutely nothing. But the impression created by choosing those four days instead of being there with your new coach and your teammates lasts much longer than the vacation itself.

I'm disappointed with Rabiot too, obviously, but Rabiot has always struck me as a mercenary. He'll fight like hell on the pitch and I respect that, but I've never particularly expected him to be the emotional leader of Milan off it.

With Maignan, I did.

And maybe that's why this disappoints me much more. Because increasingly, I'm starting to wonder whether Mike really is the leader we've made him out to be. And perhaps things like this are just another small glimpse into why this team has looked so desperately short of character when it mattered most – including somehow throwing away what should have been a secure Champions League qualification last season.
 
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@86_longo: Zakaria El Ouahdi’s valuation is €14–15M€.
 
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The problem is, we continue to shove young talent away in favor of mediocre veterans that are highly limited.

A player like Cisse should in theory be able to serve as a top backup, and see significant minutes in this system. Think of who will be getting minutes instead- there is no player who will obviously be better than him. There is also only an extremely small chance any of those players exceed expectations, they are known qualities, and their upside is small.

Playing Cisse on the other hand provides upside- he does actually have the chance to significantly exceed expectations and to grow into a player that can elevate the team. Sure there are likely to be bumps and bruises along the way, but I’d rather see them come from a talented young player instead of a 30 year old who offers very little.

There is a reason that Liberali decided to reject us for Como’s project…

With this all being said, the one saving grace here is that I trust Abate a great deal, and playing for him is a positive imo

Exactly. We're going to play a ridiculous amount of competitive football between August and January. There will be more than enough minutes to go around, especially when two of the players ahead of Cissé, Nkunku and Pulisic, aren't exactly known for being physically indestructible.

Then there's the Europa League. We're going to face teams where our starters absolutely should be rested. Those are exactly the games where you give someone like Cissé 60, 70 or 90 minutes and tell him: "Here's your chance. Show us what you've got."

Give him those five months. Give him substantial minutes, not some meaningless five-minute cameos when games are already over, and see what happens. Maybe he explodes. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe by January Nkunku has finally become the player we've been waiting for, Pulisic suddenly becomes indestructible and Leao miraculously learns how to press. Fine. Then we can still sit down in January and discuss whether Cissé needs a loan.

But not even giving him that chance is exactly one of the symptoms of what's so fundamentally wrong with Italian football.

We keep repeating the same mantra: "He's young, he needs minutes, let's loan him out." As if sending a youngster somewhere else magically guarantees those minutes. We've seen this movie a thousand fucking times. You loan him out because he supposedly needs to play and three months later he's sitting on someone else's bench instead of yours. We literally saw versions of this with Camarda and Musah last season. Even before his injury, Camarda had already ended up spending most of his time on the bench.

At some point you have to actually trust these kids. And trust doesn't mean telling everyone how talented they are before immediately signing three experienced players ahead of them. Trust means deliberately leaving space in the squad and accepting the risk that comes with it.

So for me it's simple: Pulisic and Nkunku are ahead of Cissé. That's enough. Both will almost certainly miss games at some point, there will be plenty of Europa League matches where they should be rested anyway and Cissé gets those minutes. Real minutes. Responsibility. A genuine opportunity to force Amorim into making difficult decisions.

And who knows? If Nkunku continues playing with all the energy of a phone at 2% battery, Cissé might not even need that long to make his case.
 
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It's a bit weird with the four extra days.

We don't know the details. All the over reaction to it is a symptom of how unhappy most fans are with the state of the club. The state of our squad. And the state of our prospects for the season.
 
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I think Torriani can do the sweeper thing! He actually is good with his feet. But its a mentality thing. Torriani takes less risks in coming out of goal. But he should do it more. He can learn that for sure.
Am I going crazy or did Torriani look a lot better with his feet last year?
 
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I’m not really bothered by the youths. None of us had even heard of Cisse up until pippofan posted about him a few weeks ago and even then most of us probably read that post expecting some sort of descriptive retelling of a heated fuck session that he had with some young cooze back in ‘67 or was it ‘72.

I’m more bothered by our starting XI being a who’s who of dog shit.
 
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Am I going crazy or did Torriani look a lot better with his feet last year?
The first time we saw him he was very confident with his feet.... that was mostly to start playing.

Coming off his line early to be a sweeper - not sure if we have seen much of that from him.
 

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Hate to break tit to you guys but RLC isn’t some gem in training convincing managers

He’s just shit, doesn’t have a robust market, and will never touch a club like this again in his career so is staying and the manager is coping

Throw the likes of Tomori in that category too

2 Chelsea scraps that have no business being here now. They are simply not good enough and both would have a hard time playing for the likes of Coventary city when their contracts run out.

Offload immediately pls
 
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Some of you have never seen a black person in real life and it shows.

Or maybe even anyone at all.
 
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If he leaves now, Fofanas greatest contribution will have been making Milan10 write that post just after his infamous miss at San Siro.
 
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If he leaves now, Fofanas greatest contribution will have been making Milan10 write that post just after his infamous miss at San Siro.
You have to appreciate some of his games for us. There were times where he was truly in form and was the best passer in our team. Last season he regressed substantially, but I think he was made to be a runner and scorer, which he simply isn't. He was at his best being the one playing in Reindeer. Had our other Portuguese coaches tried it the other way around, we likely would have finished further down than 8th.
 
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Vitiello: Cardinale will be in Milano this week to meet with Amorim and assess ingoing and outgoing market operations.
 
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It's a bit weird with the four extra days.

We don't know the details. All the over reaction to it is a symptom of how unhappy most fans are with the state of the club. The state of our squad. And the state of our prospects for the season.
For me it’s honestly totally in isolation.
 

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You have to appreciate some of his games for us. There were times where he was truly in form and was the best passer in our team. Last season he regressed substantially, but I think he was made to be a runner and scorer, which he simply isn't. He was at his best being the one playing in Reindeer. Had our other Portuguese coaches tried it the other way around, we likely would have finished further down than 8th.
I must agree with this, at times he was a solid presence. But my impression of him is heavily affected by how insanely useless he's been in the final third. And it's not like he hasn't had chances.
 
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I’m not really bothered by the youths. None of us had even heard of Cisse up until pippofan posted about him a few weeks ago and even then most of us probably read that post expecting some sort of descriptive retelling of a heated fuck session that he had with some young cooze back in ‘67 or was it ‘72.

I’m more bothered by our starting XI being a who’s who of dog shit.
I remembered Cisse` because he played in Serie A for Verona at 17, albeit only 3 matches that includes his debut vs Inter. Then read about the great season he was having at Catanzaro but got injured midway thru it and replaced by Liberali who took advantage of the chance and is now at Como.

His coach last season, Aquilani now at Sassuolo spoke highly of him, and Abate now at Torino is familiar with the player. We paid 7 million for Cisse so he was never going to be sent to Milan Futuro. On loan for one season is fine but a second one is not necessary, imo.

Gerry talked about the mistake we made with Liberali and our 3 top young players got long extensions so it wouldn't happen again. Don't know what will happen to the other two but we don't have the courage to keep our top prospect which is a disgrace for me.

Among other things Cisse is equally proficient with both feet, so can play on either side, and has appeared as second striker in a few occasions, (could put him ther in an emergency situation), If the loan goes through it can not be with any kind of redemption because losing him would be idiotic.
 
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Am I going crazy or did Torriani look a lot better with his feet last year?
No, he did. He also took more risks back then. He’s playing it a bit safe now. Dunno why
 
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