Clarence Seedorf Thread

When will he get rid of the black scarf?


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I never said a fan would do a better job. It just is a weak attempt to make Berlusconi and Galliani look good. Better compare them to people who have been in such position also.

Berlusconi is officially the most titled and best president that achived the most, currently living after Santiago Bernabeu.

Just the fact that you/us are a Milan fan because of him/them, says enough.

People really underestimate what a great presidente we have, in every aspect of the word.

Long live PRESIDENTE. In you we trust.

Fuck gloryhunters
 

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Capitao it feels like we are going round and round in this discussion... you extremist :D I don't even know how we ended up discussing Ronaldinho. I blame you.

This is my opinion about Dinho

1: He's not the player he once was. But he's not as bad as some of you want make him out to be. Look back in his thread and read your own posts. Your bashing of him is ridiculous.

2: He was great last year, not amazing, but great. One of the best players in Serie A. IMO he carried us to CL. It's not like we would have won the league without him.

3: He's at the end of his career as a great player, this season and maaaaybe next he can be useful to us, but no one we can depend on to bring us consistency. But then again, tell me of the senatores who bring consistence (in a positive way, seedorf is being consistent with below average performances).

If you think he's been shit throughout his career, was shit last year and should have stopped playing football 4 years ago then I can't help you.

Why does an white supremacist is an extremist?

Because he hates black people. It doesn't matter the character, he just hates them.

Now that's my post on Ronaldinho's thread, before this discussion:



This post completely trashes your theory that I'm an extremist.

But you choose to only read when I'm trashing him. That's why you said that I think that he's worthless.

I also didn't say that Ronaldinho was bad last season. But he wasn't amazing. He played good against bad defenses and choked when the team couldn't deliver the ball to him or when he was being too much marked.

It's obvious that Carlo would used him more than the first season. What would be his other options? What I'm saying is that Carlo wouldn't put the whole team to play for him. Carlo always find way to balance his teams and I don't think that he would change it just because of Ronaldinho.

I don't like this kind of player and I have the right to not to. That doesn't mean that I don't see anything worthy on them. I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo but I admit that he's good finishing not only with his feets but also with his head.

And why can't you handle with people who don't like Joga Bonito-players?

You're being the kind of guy who calls communist anyone who's wearing a red shirt.

The unexpected becomes ordinary when a player does it all the time. That's the difference between a Ronaldinho and Kaká. When Kaká does something unexpected, it's really unexpected. When it comes to Ronaldinho, everyone's read for it and it turns him way more easy to mark.

In Barça, Ronaldinho was more motivated and facing La Liga pussies defenses. Now he's on Calcio. Poor tactics and pussies defenses times are over. He'll face bad defenses but not like the ones he used to face in La Liga.

And Barça has the 4-3-3 as a tradition. Just see the coaches that they had. Cruyff, Van Gaal, Rikjaard... now they have Guardiola because even though he's spanish, he knows very well this system.

This is just one more reason why Ronaldinho played better in Barça than in Milan as a left-winger.

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in other words

SILVIO BERLUSCONI WAS BORN TO WIN.
 

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Berlusconi is the typical very well successful and corrupt big shot. Just like Florentino Perez.

He's for sure one of the most successful CEOs in the planet and I'm not talking about football, I'm talking business.

But why should we be grateful for him? Because he injected money on a company that he belived that he would have a great profit?

When you go shopping on the Wal Mart, do you think: "Omg, Sam Walton is a great man and I love him. I'll ever be greateful and respect him".

No, you probably don't. But still, you use his company to buy the food that keeps you alive, the lamps that will shine your house during the night, etc. Just like you use Berlusconi's company to satisfy your happiness of supporting a great football team.

Concluding, when you're praising Berlusconi, you're not praising Milan. You're praising a businessman, politic and mafioso that happened to have Milan as one of his companies.
 

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When you go shopping on the Wal Mart, do you think: "Omg, Sam Walton is a great man and I love him. I'll ever be greateful and respect him".

Worse. Analogy. Ever.

We're talking about a football club, with fans. Not a supermarket with products.

I'm extremely thankful to him for what he has done for Milan. And I don't think he makes money off the club, he's so rich that it's only a personal interest for him. He only injects money, never takes from Milan. Or that's the way I understand it.

I might add that I think he's an lousy politician, but the things he's done for Milan are great.
 

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Worse. Analogy. Ever.

We're talking about a football club, with fans. Not a supermarket with products.

I'm extremely thankful to him for what he has done for Milan. And I don't think he makes money off the club, he's so rich that it's only a personal interest for him. He only injects money, never takes from Milan. Or that's the way I understand it.

I might add that I think he's an lousy politician, but the things he's done for Milan are great.

LOL!

You don't think that it's a good analogy because you didn't understand it.

When it comes to the CEO, it's not about football, it's about business and politics.

Even if his profit with Milan isn't that high, a football club is always a great way to wash your dirty money.

Or do you also think that Abramovich is a big football fan and that he loves Chelsea?

Big shots might laugh their asses off when they remember that some people worship them.



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Berlusconi built "mas que club"

He created a philosophy.A family. Unseen before.

I do not love the name of AC Milan, as i love the club and structure behind it.
 

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Berlusconi is the typical very well successful and corrupt big shot. Just like Florentino Perez.

He's for sure one of the most successful CEOs in the planet and I'm not talking about football, I'm talking business.

But why should we be grateful for him? Because he injected money on a company that he belived that he would have a great profit?

When you go shopping on the Wal Mart, do you think: "Omg, Sam Walton is a great man and I love him. I'll ever be greateful and respect him".

No, you probably don't. But still, you use his company to buy the food that keeps you alive, the lamps that will shine your house during the night, etc. Just like you use Berlusconi's company to satisfy your happiness of supporting a great football team.

Concluding, when you're praising Berlusconi, you're not praising Milan. You're praising a businessman, politic and mafioso that happened to have Milan as one of his companies.

But Berlusconi made this Milan.

I don't care if his motives were money, love of Milan, or a fetish for Brazilians. Point is, he rescued Milan. When he bought us, we were just out of Serie B, after relegating twice. I'm not 100% sure about this, but at the time Milan wasn't as big as Juve and Inter; hence the name derby d'Italia.

He bought the team, gave Sacchi a chance, brought a dutch trio and magic happened. He took a club that was just 3 seasons out of Serie B to become the most successful club in the world. You have the Sacchi era, followed by Capello, then some dark times, then Carletto... and the cycle is still going. His reign saw so many great players fight for our jersey, some were successful like: Baresi, Maldini, Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard, Costacurta, Tassoti, Ancelotti, Albertini, Savicevic, Boban, Weah, Sheva, Kaka, Rui Costa, Pippo, Cafu, Stam, Pirlo, Seedorf, Bierhoff, Desailly, Donadoni, Galli, Panucci, etc...

Some weren't as successful as the mentioned above, yet are celebrated as footballers who have left their mark on the game like: Baggio, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Vieira, Davids, Kluivert, Ayala, Redondo, etc...

He gave coaches their debuts. Some have cemented their place in history of football in general, like Sacchi and Capello.

I'm not saying Milan before him was shit, but we weren't what we are now: the best club in the world. 99% of current non-Italian Milan fans, are because of him. If it weren't for his money, and his guidance along with (to a lesser extent) Galliani, who knows where Milan would have been.

Not everyone should agree with his politics or like him as a person, but every Milanista should be grateful for what Berlusconi has given us. It's not all because of him, but it's highly doubtful that we would have been were we are now without him. He made the foundation, and he continues to give. While people think he lost interest, he is just making Milan function as a company without the need of outside investment, he is preparing us for the worst: life without him.

Grazie Berlu!

Forza Milan!
 

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Ok, this ends now. Get it back to Seedorf, and from now on, leave a players race, religion, nationality, & political leanings out of your posts. Also, when discussing Berlusconi (in his thread), discuss the club owner...not the politician.
 

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Or do you also think that Abramovich is a big football fan and that he loves Chelsea?

Big shots might laugh their asses off when they remember that some people worship them.

I'm not stupid, but I choose to believe in the good purpose when it comes to football. What's the point of being a fan if you don't? You're to cynical for your own good. I'm not going to go around and think about what Abramovic does with his oil money and how Berlu "uses" Milan for his political purposes. Fuck that shit, when I'm a football fan I'm a child at the same time. (don't use the last sentence against me :D)
 

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Berlusconi is the typical very well successful and corrupt big shot. Just like Florentino Perez.

He's for sure one of the most successful CEOs in the planet and I'm not talking about football, I'm talking business.

But why should we be grateful for him? Because he injected money on a company that he belived that he would have a great profit?

When you go shopping on the Wal Mart, do you think: "Omg, Sam Walton is a great man and I love him. I'll ever be greateful and respect him".

No, you probably don't. But still, you use his company to buy the food that keeps you alive, the lamps that will shine your house during the night, etc. Just like you use Berlusconi's company to satisfy your happiness of supporting a great football team.

Concluding, when you're praising Berlusconi, you're not praising Milan. You're praising a businessman, politic and mafioso that happened to have Milan as one of his companies.

There's a tottaly different relation between a club and a business. Prior to be a consumer I am a Milanista. I don't support Wal Mart, I don't wait for his balances and cheer for then to earn more than the adversary business. The relation consumer / business and supporter / club are very different cases. The second has a level of identity, emotion and subjectivity. The first is just a comercial relation.

It's so obvious that sounds a little ridiculous to write this, but still...

Edit: Ok Lisa, didn't see your post, it ends here.
 
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seedorf is on bbc 2 on match of the day 2 :)
 

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Stop tainting the seedorf thread.

And he's in no way 'washed up' I dunno where that comes from. He still has very good play in him. He just shouldn't start every match
 

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Stop tainting the seedorf thread.

And he's in no way 'washed up' I dunno where that comes from. He still has very good play in him. He just shouldn't start every match

Which get seen about 3 -5 times a season. Milan can get better production elsewhere. If Milan was not run like a family organization, he would of been offloaded a while ago.
 

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Best scenario IMO would be to start a midfield with Gattuso, Pirlo and Boateng and/behind an AMC, with Seedorf being subbed in. I'm sure Seedorf will play an important role for us this way. And of course sometimes he needs to start a game also.
 

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Which get seen about 3 -5 times a season. Milan can get better production elsewhere. If Milan was not run like a family organization, he would of been offloaded a while ago.

That could be said for alot of our senetores:rolleyes:

he still has lots to give to the club even long after he hangs up his boots.
 

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Stop tainting the seedorf thread.

And he's in no way 'washed up' I dunno where that comes from. He still has very good play in him. He just shouldn't start every match

I dont have anything against Seedorf, but have you not notice one thing?

Yes, he has been an exelent player before, and still have som quality left, but
he is just to slow, there is no speed and workrate anymore, maybe he is untrained, so until he is more trained, he should only be used as a sub late in second half.

When Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso plays the midfield, then because of Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso have to work harder to cover up for him!!

This mean that Pirlo and Gattuso get tired earlier then they should, it will also be easier for other team to "take ower" the game because of fattique from our player.



So until he gain work rate and speed, he should only be used as a sub
 

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If Milan was not run like a family organization, he would of been offloaded a while ago.

If Milan was not run like a family organization, I would support another team. Milan is the most unique team in football b/c of this. Players at Milan are OURS and we don't just ship people out who have done so much for us for so long...
 

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Berlusconi is the typical very well successful and corrupt big shot. Just like Florentino Perez.

He's for sure one of the most successful CEOs in the planet and I'm not talking about football, I'm talking business.

But why should we be grateful for him? Because he injected money on a company that he belived that he would have a great profit?

When you go shopping on the Wal Mart, do you think: "Omg, Sam Walton is a great man and I love him. I'll ever be greateful and respect him".

No, you probably don't. But still, you use his company to buy the food that keeps you alive, the lamps that will shine your house during the night, etc. Just like you use Berlusconi's company to satisfy your happiness of supporting a great football team.

Concluding, when you're praising Berlusconi, you're not praising Milan. You're praising a businessman, politic and mafioso that happened to have Milan as one of his companies.

milan w/o berlu wouldn't be half as successful. fact. go find a club run by the red cross or something if you are such a humanitarian.
 

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milan w/o berlu wouldn't be half as successful. fact. go find a club run by the red cross or something if you are such a humanitarian.

u mean like bartha who is sponsored by unicef?


capitao loves chavi! capitao loves pujjol, capitao loves busquettz
 

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If Milan was not run like a family organization, I would support another team. Milan is the most unique team in football b/c of this. Players at Milan are OURS and we don't just ship people out who have done so much for us for so long...

Rijkaard? Gullit? Sheva? Kaka?

I'm sure I've missed quite a few others.
 

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Rijkaard? Gullit? Sheva? Kaka?

I'm sure I've missed quite a few others.

to be fair... rijkaard and gullit played in era of racist only 3 foreigner rules which makes it hard. They could have continued in first 11 on quality but couldnt cause of rules. Didn't both get upset they didnt see first 11?

sheva and kaka are different situations and you kmnow it. Im sure if anyone offered 30 mil for clarence, silvio would drive him to airport himself.


You can't honestly think he's worthless. I think he needs to not be a regular starter but unless players are brought who can displace him he keeps earning his spot.
 

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to be fair... rijkaard and gullit played in era of racist only 3 foreigner rules which makes it hard. They could have continued in first 11 on quality but couldnt cause of rules. Didn't both get upset they didnt see first 11?

sheva and kaka are different situations and you kmnow it. Im sure if anyone offered 30 mil for clarence, silvio would drive him to airport himself.

If they could continue first 11 on quality alone, why did we offload them? I mean we did have other foreigners in the team, didn't we?

30Mil for Seedorf. LOL! Even Madrid wouldn't be that stupid.


You can't honestly think he's worthless. I think he needs to not be a regular starter but unless players are brought who can displace him he keeps earning his spot.

He's earning absolutely nothing with his performances.
 

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seedorf is on bbc 2 on match of the day 2 :)

Hope he teaches them a few good things about italian football. Cause all they seem to "know" is corruption, diving, slow football , defensive football etc etc . CUNTS!

EDIT : By "them" i mean the pundits on Match of the Day, Sky etc
 

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Im curious about the condition of players when they start to play after the sommers brake!!

I have notice for many years that the weaker teams are stronger at the beginning, but after a while this will fade out!!

I have wonder if the reason can be that the weaker( smaler) team are training harder to get fit before season starts?? They realy look more fit then the big teams.

How often are tex: Milan training long distance training??
Does anyone knows how fare they can run? or what will be their km/ time??

How many in Milan can run 10 km in less then lets say 40 minits??

I mean, if they are fit they chould easy run faster then 4 minit/km

Does anyone have some stats on this? It will sure be wery easy to know if a player is just plain lazy or he is just not trained!! when he is rooaming around on the pitch.

Player A and B have the same skills and speed, but player

A runs 10 km in 35 minits
B runs 10 km in 45 minits

In this case, as a trainer, it´s wery easy to know what player to use in the start 11, right
 

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If they could continue first 11 on quality alone, why did we offload them? I mean we did have other foreigners in the team, didn't we?

Nah I'm saying with guys like savicevic, boban displacing them... they literally had less chance to play. Cause of 3 foreigners rule. I imagine if capello had no restrictions he'd play them in addition to those players but rules were only 3 nonitalians could be on field.

Atleast I remember Gullit made some comment about this. Why he left Milan because he didn't get near enough opportunities to play at end cause of foreigner rule. Specifcally citing 1993 UCL final
 
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to be fair... rijkaard and gullit played in era of racist only 3 foreigner rules which makes it hard. They could have continued in first 11 on quality but couldnt cause of rules. Didn't both get upset they didnt see first 11?

sheva and kaka are different situations and you kmnow it. Im sure if anyone offered 30 mil for clarence, silvio would drive him to airport himself.


You can't honestly think he's worthless. I think he needs to not be a regular starter but unless players are brought who can displace him he keeps earning his spot.

We still have something like this in Brazil, haha.

Actually I think that 3 is the max number of foreigners allowed.

But it's not for racist reasons.

And don't fuck with me. Barça supporter is too much for me.

milan w/o berlu wouldn't be half as successful. fact. go find a club run by the red cross or something if you are such a humanitarian.

My point is that I don't mix football with politics.

In terms of football, for me, Berlu is a money machine without feelings. I don't give a shit about him as long as he injects money on Milan.

If one day Berlu goes out and another millionaire big shot take over Milan and keep winning titles, it's gonna be like "bye bye old money machine and welcome new money machine".
 

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We still have something like this in Brazil, haha.

Actually I think that 3 is the max number of foreigners allowed.

Yes, it is. And I don't understand this rule at all. It's to protect the little talent Brazil produces? lol

And it's also counter productive. Brazilian teams would rule South America if they could sign more argentinans, uruguaians, chileans or whatever.

It's not about racism of course, but some xenophobic nationalism certainly has a part is this kind of draconians rules.
 

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