Clarence Seedorf Thread

[milan1st]

IMHO, he is very needed to the team for various reasons, he didnt have a bad game, as i saw yesterday his duty was to maintain the balance of the team and he succeeded pretty well at it.

A good performance doesnt consist all the time, speed-driblings-goals-assists. He is an important factor to the team, say what you want. Coach fielding him says it all.

 

[ww]

IMHO, he is very needed to the team for various reasons, he didnt have a bad game, as i saw yesterday his duty was to maintain the balance of the team and he succeeded pretty well at it.

A good performance doesnt consist all the time, speed-driblings-goals-assists. He is an important factor to the team, say what you want. Coach fielding him says it all.

Agreed.

Seedorf does walking better than what Robinho does running.

 

[MilanMB]

Bullshit, he needs to go. He hasn't been delivering shit for the past 3-4 years. Nothing on consistent basis anyway. One or two good games here and there. It's funny how people can bash Dinho but come to this thread and do the exact opposite for someone who hasn't been good since the wheel was invented.

Seedorf still being with us is the result of Berlus lack of spending, nothing else. Not his good play or anything. Stop bullshitting yourselves about Seedorf please. HOW OFTEN is he great like you expect someone like him to be? Not often right?

Please leave next season. As the legend he is, he's welcome to have a coaching job or something like that, but as a player I wish he had stopped playing 3 years ago.

 

[Esoteric]

Seedorf should have never played more than one minute. Seriously I haven't seen a player with that low desire playing football in a while. He is like a ton in weight but can't even compete for a ball ever simply because he doesn't try hard enough. His touches are still awesome and magical but even those only appear after he gets a bit of motivation like in CL or something. I would only use him as a sub in Serie A to be honest. Also for the Robinho comparison , Robinho put himself last matches in more scoring opportunities than Ronaldinho has done probably since a long time. And it's not like in a one-on-one situation Ronaldinho and Seedorf can finish that better especially Seedorf. The only two truly good finishers in that position are Pato and Ibra.

As for the balance for the team, it was always Pirlo. Seedorf misses a lot of matches but we still maintain the balance. However Pirlo is one of the only players that is truly indispensable. Also for all those thinking Seedorf is playing just because he is important for the coach is mistaken. The coaches playing 4-3-3 always want an attacking player in midfield like pure attacking minded midfielder that can help a lot. The only player that fits that description is Seedorf. I can guarantee if another player with that description like Afellay for instance is brought Seedorf won't get that much playing time. I'm surprised people can consider Seedorf that much of an important player.lol

 

[ww]

Bullshit, he needs to go. He hasn't been delivering shit for the past 3-4 years. Nothing on consistent basis anyway. One or two good games here and there. It's funny how people can bash Dinho but come to this thread and do the exact opposite for someone who hasn't been good since the wheel was invented.

Seedorf still being with us is the result of Berlus lack of spending, nothing else. Not his good play or anything. Stop bullshitting yourselves about Seedorf please. HOW OFTEN is he great like you expect someone like him to be? Not often right?

Please leave next season. As the legend he is, he's welcome to have a coaching job or something like that, but as a player I wish he had stopped playing 3 years ago.

Seedorf will do very well if he gets used like Scholes on Manutd.

Milan haven't doing well for the past 3-4 years because instead of letting Carlo renew the team, Berlu prefered to buy Ronaldinho like it would make a big difference.

Now instead of buying a decent RB or LB and an option for Seedorf, Gattuso, he spent 40 mi in 2 players who lack of balls. And one of them isn't even technically as great as the other one.

 

[fertygo]

Now instead of buying a decent RB or LB and an option for Seedorf, Gattuso, he spent 40 mi in 2 players who lack of balls.

Fook off Capitao, one of them literally one of our most hard worker in our recent match.

Btw I thought dorf in our 1st half of our 2009-2010 is one of our better player, so saying he not deliver in past 3 year is utter BS.

 

[ww]

Fook off Capitao, one of them literally one of our most hard worker in our recent match.

Btw I thought dorf in our 1st half of our 2009-2010 is one of our better player, so saying he not deliver in past 3 year is utter BS.

I don't have anything huge to complain about Ibra in the last games and I always admited that he's a good option to Calcio.

And he's not a hard worker. Actually, a player with his physics and age could have a better work rate.

Watch Drogba and Rooney playing and Ibra will look like an old lady.

But if you compare him to a 34 years old Seedorf who played 3 games in this week, a skinny and weak 31 years old Pirlo and Robinho, then yes, Ibra is a hard worker.

By the way, Ronaldinho worked harder than him in the last game.

 

[MilanMB]

Seedorf will do very well if he gets used like Scholes on Manutd.

Milan haven't doing well for the past 3-4 years because instead of letting Carlo renew the team, Berlu prefered to buy Ronaldinho like it would make a big difference.

Now instead of buying a decent RB or LB and an option for Seedorf, Gattuso, he spent 40 mi in 2 players who lack of balls. And one of them isn't even technically as great as the other one.

Yeah you're totally right, with the 20 mil or something we spent on Dinho we could have bought a whole new team, stupid Berlu.

I don't understand how people can't see that Seedorf is finished. I'm not hating on him, he does thing very few players are able to do, but he's a weight on our shoulders right now and especially a weight on the shoulders of one of our most important players - Pirlo. He's more often bad than he's good.

He's slow, not motivated, doesn't score etc. And this has been the case for the last 3 years. The only reason he's still here is because of his status and the fact that Berlu didn't want to invest.

And about Zlatan and Robinho, you're right again. We should have played with Borrie and Huntelaar this season as well... They would totally end up scoring 25 goals each.

 

[Redman10]

I think its time for him to leave the club while he is still loved by (most) of the fans.

What love? He has been booed/whistled nearly every home game for the past 4 seasons. I don't think they hate him either but just tired of him.

 

[MilanMB]

And he's not a hard worker. Actually, a player with his physics and age could have a better work rate.

Watch Drogba and Rooney playing and Ibra will look like an old lady.

Yeah and I guess that Drogba and Rooney has the same technique and flair Ibra does.

I love Drogba and Rooney, two of the best strikers in the world, but none of them makes Ibra look like an old lady.

 

[ww]

Yeah you're totally right, with the 20 mil or something we spent on Dinho we could have bought a whole new team, stupid Berlu.

I don't understand how people can't see that Seedorf is finished. I'm not hating on him, he does thing very few players are able to do, but he's a weight on our shoulders right now and especially a weight on the shoulders of one of our most important players - Pirlo. He's more often bad than he's good.

He's slow, not motivated, doesn't score etc. And this has been the case for the last 3 years. The only reason he's still here is because of his status and the fact that Berlu didn't want to invest.

And about Zlatan and Robinho, you're right again. We should have played with Borrie and Huntelaar this season as well... They would totally end up scoring 25 goals each.

25 mi.

And for your information, Laporta wanted to sell Eto'o to Milan and Ronaldinho to City. Eto'o is an way more useful than Ronaldinho and Inter would now have a worse team.

Milan wouldn't be better with Borriello and Huntelaar but would sure be better with Ibra and Borriello.

Bringing Ronaldinho was just stupid. Carlo didn't even want him.

 

[ww]

Yeah and I guess that Drogba and Rooney has the same technique and flair Ibra does.

I love Drogba and Rooney, two of the best strikers in the world, but none of them makes Ibra look like an old lady.

Their balls totally overwhelm Ibra's technique and flair.

It's not cause Ibra has a better technique and flair that he's a better player.

And if you compare Drogba's and Rooney's work rate with Ibra's, then Ibra is an old lady.

If it weren't for Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo would never had being so good on the Manutd UCL's title. Ibra on the other hand never showed a winning spirit on the UCL.

 

[fertygo]

I don't have anything huge to complain about Ibra in the last games and I always admited that he's a good option to Calcio.

And he's not a hard worker. Actually, a player with his physics and age could have a better work rate.

Watch Drogba and Rooney playing and Ibra will look like an old lady.

But if you compare him to a 34 years old Seedorf who played 3 games in this week, a skinny and weak 31 years old Pirlo and Robinho, then yes, Ibra is a hard worker.

By the way, Ronaldinho worked harder than him in the last game.

Rooney workrate kinda overrated by people at these days, just because he rather small than other target man n make him more mobile doesn't make him hard worker. If I say Villa playing very similar as rooney you won't admit it because he's : 1.) spanish diver cunt 2.) have douche face rather construction worker face like rooney have.

But infact they're share same role n does same job. both running to get ball back too.

Ibra work harder than any normal CF already deserve praise (though I think he done more than that). N Ronaldinho work harder than him is what SUPPOSED anyway, not like in 3-4 previous game, the CF work harder than the PLAYMAKER. lol

Back to dorf, no need to defense him. His ball keeping is awful last night, make us lose so much ball from him.

 

[MilanMB]

25 mi.

And for your information, Laporta wanted to sell Eto'o to Milan and Ronaldinho to City. Eto'o is an way more useful than Ronaldinho and Inter would now have a worse team.

Milan wouldn't be better with Borriello and Huntelaar but would sure be better with Ibra and Borriello.

Bringing Ronaldinho was just stupid. Carlo didn't even want him.

ohh 25 mil?? then you're right, we could have built a new team with that money.

I would have wanted Borriello to stay with us as a back-up for Ibra, but that's only a fans wishing. He wanted to get playing time and that's something he's getting in Roma. His transfer isn't a mistake from Milan's part. I don't want a dissatisfied Borrie @ Milan.

The reasons why I think Dinho was brought is 1: Berlu loves him, 2: We knew we were getting rid of Kaka and wanted someone "cheap" to replace him with. I'm not saying Dinho last year was equal to Kaka's best days at Milan but I don't think anyone (available) could have done the the job better than he did last year (for that amount of money).

I don't remember the Eto'o transfer in details, but one thing I remember is that we were interested for a period but midget team didn't want to sell. But yes, bringing Eto'o would have made sense. Not many strikers are as lethal.

But then again, what would we have done with Eto'o without a playmaker?

 

[fertygo]

But then again, what would we have done with Eto'o without a playmaker?

We still have kaka back then. N first year of dinho doesn't give any justice about argument "what we'll do without playmaker"

N maybe we got Sneijder instead of Huntelaar by that scenario.

Ibra on the other hand never showed a winning spirit on the UCL.

Inter = one man teams, ManU rooney grumble too last year.
Barca = the only one that score vs kazan n stuttgart when other player "meh"-ing them.

 

[MilanMB]

We still have kaka back then. N first year of dinho doesn't give any justice about argument "what we'll do without playmaker"

N maybe we got Sneijder instead of Huntelaar by that scenario.

My point was that we knew we were getting rid of Kaka by the time. I don't think the sale of Kaka was a last minute decision.

 

[Pedro]

My point was that we knew we were getting rid of Kaka by the time. I don't think the sale of Kaka was a last minute decision.

You actually think there was some sort of plan? Neh. Berlusconi just had a boner for Ronaldinho and that's why he signed him, even though the coach (Ancelotti) didn't want him (for the right reasons). So Berlusconi just signed who he loved without looking at what we needed and also not looking at the future.

 

[ww]

ohh 25 mil?? then you're right, we could have built a new team with that money.

I would have wanted Borriello to stay with us as a back-up for Ibra, but that's only a fans wishing. He wanted to get playing time and that's something he's getting in Roma. His transfer isn't a mistake from Milan's part. I don't want a dissatisfied Borrie @ Milan.

The reasons why I think Dinho was brought is 1: Berlu loves him, 2: We knew we were getting rid of Kaka and wanted someone "cheap" to replace him with. I'm not saying Dinho last year was equal to Kaka's best days at Milan but I don't think anyone (available) could have done the the job better than he did last year (for that amount of money).

I don't remember the Eto'o transfer in details, but one thing I remember is that we were interested for a period but midget team didn't want to sell. But yes, bringing Eto'o would have made sense. Not many strikers are as lethal.

But then again, what would we have done with Eto'o without a playmaker?

Milan took Ronaldinho while Kaká was still on the team. Kaká and Eto'o would be much better than Kaká and Ronaldinho.

Then Milan would end up losing Kaká. Okay. Then why not keep Carlo and ask him what player he wanted to sub Kaká?

Brining Eto'o, Milan would have spent 25 mi on a way more useful player than Ronaldinho. Then after Kaká got sold, Carlo would have enough money to choose what players he wanted to get Milan renewed.

That seems a better plan than getting Ronaldinho and Kaká on the same team and then spending Kaká's money on Ibra and Robinho.

Do you doubt it? Then just look what Inter done with Ibra's money, that is actually something closer (even a little less) to Kaká's money.

 

[Pedro]

Milan took Ronaldinho while Kaká was still on the team. Kaká and Eto'o would be much better than Kaká and Ronaldinho.

Then Milan would end up losing Kaká. Okay. Then why not keep Carlo and ask him what player he wanted to sub Kaká?

Brining Eto'o, Milan would have spent 25 mi on a way more useful player than Ronaldinho. Then after Kaká got sold, Carlo would have enough money to choose what players he wanted to get Milan renewed.

That seems a better plan than getting Ronaldinho and Kaká on the same team and then spending Kaká's money on Ibra and Robinho.

Do you doubt it? Then just look what Inter done with Ibra's money, that is actually something closer (even a little less) to Kaká's money.

Agreed.

 

[MilanMB]

You actually think there was some sort of plan? Neh. Berlusconi just had a boner for Ronaldinho and that's why he signed him, even though the coach (Ancelotti) didn't want him (for the right reasons). So Berlusconi just signed who he loved without looking at what we needed and also not looking at the future.

You mean there wasn't a plan? lol come on Pedro. Go to the B&G thread, we have been over this multiple times. Debts, economic crisis, Berlu being a politician, new UEFA rules etc, making Milan self sufficient. Milan wanted to sell Kaka even to city but Kaka himself refused. Getting rid of Kaka was strictly business and good business at that.

BTW, did Ancelotti ever said that he didn't want Dinho or are everyone putting words in his mouth? Serious question.

Milan took Ronaldinho while Kaká was still on the team. Kaká and Eto'o would be much better than Kaká and Ronaldinho.

I know when Ronaldinho came to Milan. My point is that somewhere there was a plan to get rid of Kaka in the future... And of course, Kaka (07) and Eto'o together would be better than Kaka and Dinho, I'm not saying anything else.

Capitao, you're ignoring to much things going on in Milan in the last 3-4 years.

 

[Pedro]

You mean there wasn't a plan? lol come on Pedro. Go to the B&G thread, we have been over this multiple times. Debts, economic crisis, Berlu being a politician, new UEFA rules etc, making Milan self sufficient. Milan wanted to sell Kaka even to city but Kaka himself refused. Getting rid of Kaka was strictly business and good business at that.

BTW, did Ancelotti ever said that he didn't want Dinho or are everyone putting words in his mouth? Serious question.

You actually think Ancelotti was happy with Ronaldinho?

I know Milan wanted to sell Kaká to ManCity...

 

[ww]

Rooney workrate kinda overrated by people at these days, just because he rather small than other target man n make him more mobile doesn't make him hard worker. If I say Villa playing very similar as rooney you won't admit it because he's : 1.) spanish diver cunt 2.) have douche face rather construction worker face like rooney have.

But infact they're share same role n does same job. both running to get ball back too.

Ibra work harder than any normal CF already deserve praise (though I think he done more than that). N Ronaldinho work harder than him is what SUPPOSED anyway, not like in 3-4 previous game, the CF work harder than the PLAYMAKER. lol

Back to dorf, no need to defense him. His ball keeping is awful last night, make us lose so much ball from him.

Rooney's deserve his credit of hard worker and I don't get why do you bring Villa do this discussion. And he's a spanish diver cunt, that's not my opinion.

Inzaghi doesn't look badass and still, I admire his work so what you said isn't true. And by the way, Rooney look like an american redneck and I don't really like this look. He looks like a Bush's rebel son or something like this.

Ronaldinho worked harder than Ibra for the second time in this season, that's why I compared.

What I'm saying is that Ibra has the skill and physics to have a work rate similar than Rooney and Drogba and still, he doesn't. It wouldn't make sense if I said that Inzaghi should have this kind of work since his technique is very poor and he's old but still, even though he's 38, Inzaghi always give everything from him when he's on the pitch.

I'm not saying that Ibra's being lazy but his work rate is being just average.

 

[ww]

You mean there wasn't a plan? lol come on Pedro. Go to the B&G thread, we have been over this multiple times. Debts, economic crisis, Berlu being a politician, new UEFA rules etc, making Milan self sufficient. Milan wanted to sell Kaka even to city but Kaka himself refused. Getting rid of Kaka was strictly business and good business at that.

BTW, did Ancelotti ever said that he didn't want Dinho or are everyone putting words in his mouth? Serious question.



I know when Ronaldinho came to Milan. My point is that somewhere there was a plan to get rid of Kaka in the future... And of course, Kaka (07) and Eto'o together would be better than Kaka and Dinho, I'm not saying anything else.

Capitao, you're ignoring to much things going on in Milan in the last 3-4 years.

And my point is that this plan sucked. Lol.

 

[MilanMB]

You actually think Ancelotti was happy with Ronaldinho?

No, but don't you thing that carlo would have played him if Dinho showed the same play he did last year? I do. Dinho sucked in his first year, he was coming from a hard time @ barca, new team, new league etc.

And my point is that this plan sucked. Lol.

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I think Milan has a bright future and will be able to tackle the new UEFA rules better than most big clubs, because of "the plan". Trust in B&G my friend.

 

[fertygo]

Rooney's deserve his credit of hard worker and I don't get why do you bring Villa do this discussion. And he's a spanish diver cunt, that's not my opinion.

Just saying actually Villa doing same job as rooney does.

Btw let stop the discussion, because we don't share the same view on this. Still love you bradhah n/h

And my point is that this plan sucked. Lol.

+100000000000

Btw back to dorf, he's gonna better if we just play him as rotation material for pirlo/Ronaldinho/Boateng.

No more undisposeable starter plz.

 

[ww]

No, but don't you thing that carlo would have played him if Dinho showed the same play he did last year? I do. Dinho sucked in his first year, he was coming from a hard time @ barca, new team, new league etc.



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I think Milan has a bright future and will be able to tackle the new UEFA rules better than most big clubs, because of "the plan". Trust in B&G my friend.

Getting a ghanese, a swedish, a brazilian and keeping two bad italians RB/LB?

You're giving too much credit to Berlusconi and Galliani. They're just 2 millionaires mafioso who think about football like little boys. They didn't even work with football before taking this job. And Braida is now more specialist in planes' first class and great hotels than in football because I don't have a clue of what the fuck is he paid for.

And Ronaldinho would never play the same as the last year with Carlo because Carlo wouldn't organize a team to support only one player. No wonder when Ronaldinho decided to not play well last season, Milan sucked.

 

[ww]

Just saying actually Villa doing same job as rooney does.

Btw let stop the discussion, because we don't share the same view on this. Still love you bradhah n/h


+100000000000

Btw back to dorf, he's gonna better if we just play him as rotation material for pirlo/Ronaldinho/Boateng.

No more undisposeable starter plz.

Rooney comes back to help the defense for christ sakes!

Love you too.

Every beautiful girl has a mother fucker ugly friend or a gossiper gay friend. You have Villa.

I gotta deal with it.

 

[fertygo]

Rooney comes back to help the defense for christ sakes!

Love you too.

Every beautiful girl has a mother fucker ugly friend or a gossiper gay friend. You have Villa.

I gotta deal with it.

Villa does it too, n that doesn't make him hard worker

The only hard worker CF in BPL is Drogba, Crouch, n Heskey.

 

[MilanMB]

Getting a ghanese, a swedish, a brazilian and keeping two bad italians RB/LB?

You're giving too much credit to Berlusconi and Galliani. They're just 2 millionaires mafioso who think about football like little boys. They didn't even work with football before taking this job. And Braida is now more specialist in planes' first class and great hotels than in football because I don't have a clue of what the fuck is he paid for.

And Ronaldinho would never play the same as the last year with Carlo because Carlo wouldn't organize a team to support only one player. No wonder when Ronaldinho decided to not play well last season, Milan sucked.

NOOOOOB post. But what to expect from biased extremist poster??

I'm sorry but those "little boys" you're talking about managed to make Milan - the most successful club in the world. Football is about cycles, and I'm only happy that our cycles doesn't last 45 years. Milan will come back stronger. These bad years are good years IMO, cleansing the fanbase from gloryhunters.

And you think Carlo wouldn't give Dinho playing time in a forward line consisting of Pato, Huntelaar, Borriello Inzhagi and Dinho? Get real man. Dinho was awesome last year. Better than Kaka was in his last 2 years at Milan. EDIT and better than Kaka last year.

 

[Pedro]

And my point is that this plan sucked. Lol.

I doubt there was a plan, but if there was then I fully agree with you.

No, but don't you thing that carlo would have played him if Dinho showed the same play he did last year? I do. Dinho sucked in his first year, he was coming from a hard time @ barca, new team, new league etc.

I believe Ancelotti wished for a different kind of player.