Clarence Seedorf Thread

[Jasper]

September 27, 2010, 1:27 pm
Submit Your Questions for A.C. Milan’s Clarence Seedorf
By ANDREW KEH

Clarence Seedorf returns to the Goal blog this week for his first Q&A session of the new European soccer season. He last answered Times readers’ questions in May, so there is a lot to discuss, to say the least.

Seedorf’s club A.C. Milan has gotten off to a somewhat choppy start to its Serie A campaign under a new coach, Massimiliano Allegri. After five games, the team sits in fifth place.

On Saturday, Milan earned an important 1-0 win at home against Genoa, thanks to a spectacular goal from Swedish striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who signed with the club this summer.

The club’s other big summer signing, Brazilian midfielder Robinho, started for the first time and combined with Seedorf for a fine sequence of passes in the 81st minute that nearly produced a second goal for Milan.

Last week, Rob Hughes wrote in the Times about the challenge Allegri faces integrating these new players with Milan’s other stars, young and old, like Ronaldinho, Alexandre Pato, Filippo Inzaghi and Seedorf.

The project is ongoing, but in the meantime, the big games keep coming.

Tomorrow, Seedorf and Milan shift their focus to Amsterdam, where they will face the Dutch club Ajax for a Champions League group stage match.

The game is a significant one for Seedorf, who started his career with Ajax in 1992, at the age of 16, and played there for three seasons, before moving on to bigger clubs in Italy and Spain.

“I will continue to play for a couple more years, but this could very well be my last match in Amsterdam,” Seedorf said last week. “It’s a very special feeling for me to return to Ajax for Wednesday’s game, and I hope the feelings are mutual.”

Now is your chance to ask Seedorf about these topics or any others you have in mind.

Submit your questions in the comments section below and check back later this week for his responses.


http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...ions-for-a-c-milans-clarence-seedorf/#preview

 

[GreatKalu]

The applause he got when he was subbed off says it all. Clarence is a respected footballer and person world wide. The whistles Robinho got moments later should only go to show who he should use as an example.

 

[Christian]

Glad he got a well deserved applause, class act from the Ajax supporters.

 

[Krash]

Seedorf was not pleased with the style of football his team-mates played this evening against Ajax...

By Rick D'Andrea
Sep 28, 2010 10:04:00 PM

Milan midfielder Clarence Seedorf has slammed the style of football the Rossoneri played this evening against Ajax in the Champions League.

The Dutchman kept on seeing long balls being delivered to star striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic, in the hope he could produce some magic and score.

"I did not like what we produced this evening. We tried to play with too many long balls," Seedorf told Sky Sport after the match. "We cannot always think that Ibrahimovic will resolve the issues in every match.

"The [1-1] result is right, as we paid for being somewhat fatigued with all the matches we have recently played, but a draw away from home is a good thing. We must play better and do things in a determined fashion, as no one will be gifting us anything."

Seedorf also spoke about the 4-3-3 formation employed by coach Massimiliano Allegri.

"Milan has always played this formation," he added. "Allegri knows that we have a team who can fit into this formation, even if from the start of the season, he has changed things slightly."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/ch...edorf-admits-milan-cant-rely-solely-on-zlatan

 

[Jasper]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Clarence, seriously? You, Clarence Seedorf, performed the most despicable performance ever in the role of ten giving away gazillion balls in the midfield when you were supposed to get those to Ibra-Robinho.

Ajax applauses doesn't show how great he is but how good the people in the stadium were. Or it could have been since how much he did for Ajax in this match.

Finished.

 

[Wet Ones]

The applause he got when he was subbed off says it all. Clarence is a respected footballer and person world wide. The whistles Robinho got moments later should only go to show who he should use as an example.

LOL! He gets booed by his own fans! Respect? LOL!


I'm sure someday even Materrazi will get applauded. Everyone does.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Clarence, seriously? You, Clarence Seedorf, performed the most despicable performance ever in the role of ten giving away gazillion balls in the midfield when you were supposed to get those to Ibra-Robinho.

Ajax applauses doesn't show how great he is but how good the people in the stadium were. Or it could have been since how much he did for Ajax in this match.

Finished.

+1

Never liked him. Never will. Thinks he's bigger than every club he's been at.


P.S. I'd like to hear Sam's comments of the above Seedorf interview. That's a dig at Pirlo for sure. Who else was attempting long balls at Ibra all night?

 

[Senatore_M84]

Cmon wet. I'm not gonna say he was great but who else is gonna play that role?

He provided 3 (maybe 4-5 depending in ur defintion) balls which should have been clearly finished. I would fully agree milan needs more than a 34 year old trequartista as starter BUT at the moment i see nothing....

I always liked seedorf, i understand milan need better but no need to kill him, especially when he wasn't near the worst player.

Edit: AT clarence comments. Who cares... I'm not one to care about comments post game in heat of moment. I know he wants to win. I know pirlo wants to win. It happens.

But he's wrong ball was spread pretty evenly. Our deep balls just happened to be most dangerous because zlatan in general is a monster. (well and robinho just had one of those nights where nothing was going right in terms of ifnishing)

 

[Wet Ones]

Cmon wet. I'm not gonna say he was great but who else is gonna play that role?

Pirlo.

Give him a chance there. I'm sure he'll perform about a million times better. Hell, we could even try Zlatan.

ANYONE but Seedorf.

AT clarence comments. Who cares

I do. And most fans should. If you give 100%, u have a right to make such comments. If not, shut the fuck up!


And I don't consider '2-3 passes that should have been finished' as giving 100%.

Pirlo, last night, gave 100%. Which is why he was so much better defensively. It did affect his offensive game however.

 

[Jasper]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Clarence, seriously? You, Clarence Seedorf, performed the most despicable performance ever in the role of ten giving away gazillion balls in the midfield when you were supposed to get those to Ibra-Robinho.

Ajax applauses doesn't show how great he is but how good the people in the stadium were. Or it could have been since how much he did for Ajax in this match.

Finished.

LOL. Got pretty mad yesterday.

Cmon wet. I'm not gonna say he was great but who else is gonna play that role?

Could have always cut the role itself if all we get is this.

He provided 3 (maybe 4-5 depending in ur defintion) balls which should have been clearly finished.

Illusion on the performance. Gattuso could have provided those balls sitting his ass on that part of the pitch for the whole game.

I always liked seedorf, i understand milan need better but no need to kill him, especially when he wasn't near the worst player.

He. was. the. THE. Worst. Player. Yesterday.

But he's wrong ball was spread pretty evenly. Our deep balls just happened to be most dangerous because zlatan in general is a monster. (well and robinho just had one of those nights where nothing was going right in terms of ifnishing)

100%. On the ground it didn't work because of Seedorf himself.

 

[Esoteric]

well he's a class player, but as I said he always is giving me an impression that Milan are a withered club right now and with no real desire. You can even see him still living in the glories of the past. And yes he might have made some good assists but the desire all around the pitch is not there. I mean I really think even if we don't win Seedorf won't really care much because it doesn't mean anything to him anymore. Gatuso for instance is still 100% concentrated on his game and to a lesser extent Pirlo too but Seedorf seems the one who has no more ambitions.

 

[anilak]

Dorf always played with some nonchalance in every game against lesser teams for the last decade. The better the opposition, the better he performed. So what makes u all who critisize him think he'll change that now. Unlike in this past, his starting 11 position is not guaranteed and he is a proud enough player to fight for his spot every game and not sit in the bench and that will be the only source of motivation for him.

 

[Fiero]

Pirlo.

Give him a chance there. I'm sure he'll perform about a million times better. Hell, we could even try Zlatan.

ANYONE but Seedorf.

I do. And most fans should. If you give 100%, u have a right to make such comments. If not, shut the fuck up!

And I don't consider '2-3 passes that should have been finished' as giving 100%.

Pirlo, last night, gave 100%. Which is why he was so much better defensively. It did affect his offensive game however.

Agree 100%.

He. was. the. THE. Worst. Player. Yesterday.

I thought Flamini was worse. Seedorf provided an assist and put Robinho through on goal, but apart from that he did nothing else.

I still prefer him better as a trequartista than in CM. He kills me with his constant back passes destroying our counter attack, did it twice yesterday as well.

His place should be the bench when Pato is back and Robinho as a trequartista.

 

[kevin_dk]

There is no problem with directing the ball towards Zlatan simple because who else will score but him?! Zlatan is so capable of getting the job done by himself and he's been doing that very nicely against a variety of teams. Magic doesn't have be shown through scoring, setting up a good chance could have some magic in it, too. Milan should only stop delivering the ball towards Zlatan when he is well read by defenders and starts to fail. For now, just keep it simple and create MORE chances. More goals will come.

 

[GreatKalu]

Clarence had a poor game. Lost too many balls, like you guys said. I said it in the match thread, surprising how one of his physical build can be shrugged off the ball so easily. But as the match proceeded, he started to get more involved ... I'd say his second half was much better.

Personally, I don't think he should bench Dinho ... not in his current form. BUT, did you not see how dynamic the attack was? Binho left, Binho right switching with Clarence, Ibra also going into different positions, etc ... you never see that sort of mobility and role changing n/h when Dinho's on the pitch.

If Dinho can apply himself differently, MOVE HIS ASS and play in a dynamic attack, this discussion wouldn't even exist. Pity he doesn't want to do it, instead expecting others to work/move for him ...

 

[Redman10]

Personally, I still believe Milan should of off-loaded him a while ago. Let him retire at Ajax or wherever. IMO, he get worse every season and even the fans are getting tired of him. He has his moments every now and than but it not enough for Big name club like Milan.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Pirlo.

Give him a chance there. I'm sure he'll perform about a million times better. Hell, we could even try Zlatan.

ANYONE but Seedorf.

Possibly true on pirlo, more likely true on zlatan. BUT it's a waste, cause it takes them out of there most effective position where.

Truth is we kind of lack that player so... At this point, i feel some variation of 4-4-2 like This lineup
is milan's best going forward. Minus bonera @ RB, but thats kinda just rotating door of whose got best form ATM anyway

I do. And most fans should. If you give 100%, u have a right to make such comments. If not, shut the fuck up!


And I don't consider '2-3 passes that should have been finished' as giving 100%.

Pirlo, last night, gave 100%. Which is why he was so much better defensively. It did affect his offensive game however.

Did you ACTUALLY see him say it? Do you know the context or tone of his voice? Saying "we attempted too many long balls" can come across 404590 different ways depending how it's actually worded and tone. Like pissed off rolling eyes, thats a bit disrespectful. Matter of fact "perhaps we tried too many long balls" is a different issue. Eitherway unless you saw it with your own eyes, it's hard to comment on translated print.

you don't think Clarence tried? Cmon, guy worked hard. He's 34 his variation of working hard is different than flamini/boateng just cause of what he's capable of. I don't think it's an issue of if he gave 100% or not. It's an issue of if his 100% effort (or whatever you want to believe it is) IS enough. And as much as i like clarence, I'm with you... it's nopt enough. Not enough to be a consistent first 11 player.

@ Him and Pirlo. They played different roles. I've seen clarencve play that role and touch ball as much as pirlo. Would that have meant Clarenvce 'tried harder'?

He. was. the. THE. Worst. Player. Yesterday.
.

Still think Flamini was worse. Antonini was pretty bad too, tried hard but got skinned a lot. Sadly Nesta left A LOT to be desired too. Guarentee if that was anyone other than Nesta they'd be burnt as worst player...

Zlatan, Pirlo, Gattuso, Silva were clearly our only 4 with above 6 ratings. Robinho, Zambrotta, Boateng get average (6.0), marks. Robinho a bit unlucky, cause on another night he scores 1 or 2 and might be up there for MOTM. Just my opinion

 

[Wet Ones]

Did you ACTUALLY see him say it? Do you know the context or tone of his voice? Saying "we attempted too many long balls" can come across 404590 different ways depending how it's actually worded and tone. Like pissed off rolling eyes, thats a bit disrespectful.

Don't really need to see him say it. I know the sort of attitude he is capable of. In all the years I've watched Milan, I've never come across a player who insults the coach on live tv (Carlo incident). And his attitude when he gets subbed for having a bad game is beyond disgraceful. All this towards a man without whom he wouldn't be the 'legend' he is (I mean Carlo of course).

 

[Jasper]

Don't really need to see him say it. I know the sort of attitude he is capable of. In all the years I've watched Milan, I've never come across a player who insults the coach on live tv (Carlo incident). And his attitude when he gets subbed for having a bad game is beyond disgraceful. All this towards a man without whom he wouldn't be the 'legend' he is (I mean Carlo of course).

And then he comes back bluffing 'Such allegations are an insult to my professionalism'. Made for politics.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Don't really need to see him say it. I know the sort of attitude he is capable of. In all the years I've watched Milan, I've never come across a player who insults the coach on live tv (Carlo incident). And his attitude when he gets subbed for having a bad game is beyond disgraceful. All this towards a man without whom he wouldn't be the 'legend' he is (I mean Carlo of course).

really now? That's just hateful bias.

BTW Attitude he's capable of doesn't mean he had it at that particular moment

As for attitude when being subbed. I recall a certain sheva having awful attitude and well... 90% of players who think they are amazing. I prefer that to a guy who is smilingwhen being subbed off in a tight game.

And then he comes back bluffing 'Such allegations are an insult to my professionalism'. Made for politics.

Then why did Carlo, Leo and Allegri make him first choice? Could it be because all 3 praise his work ethic and leadership? If he was that lazy/evil HE WOULDNT PLAY

 

[Jasper]

Then why did Carlo, Leo and Allegri make him first choice? Could it be because all 3 praise his work ethic and leadership? If he was that lazy/evil HE WOULDNT PLAY

Work ethic

 

[dev1L]

 

[Dutchie-Milan]

He was the prime subject before,at and after the match on dutch television,all they could talk about is him.But the way the Ajax audience gave him a standing ovation at his sub was just amazing,even the Milan bench stood up out of respect.

 

[Sage]

"Ronaldinho? No one here is indispensable. When you have so many great players we all have to work hard for each other and we have to be professional and be ready for the coach.

 

[Senatore_M84]

never saw this. Before UCL clash with man utd last spring. So elegant and well spoken. Clarence

 

[MilanMB]

never saw this. Before UCL clash with man utd last spring. So elegant and well spoken. Clarence

Also he seems to be very tactically aware. Future Milan coach?

 

[Paladin]

Also he seems to be very tactically aware. Future Milan coach?

Well, I dont mind if he become a helpcoach to Allegri

But he got to promice!! not yogging around on the pitch again

 

[Paladin]

LOL. Got pretty mad yesterday.

Could have always cut the role itself if all we get is this.


Illusion on the performance. Gattuso could have provided those balls sitting his ass on that part of the pitch for the whole game.


He. was. the. THE. Worst. Player. Yesterday.

100%. On the ground it didn't work because of Seedorf himself.

After I have been watched the game 5 times, last one not more then 2 hrs ago, I must whether i like it or not, confirm that Seedorf was actualy the worst player againts Ajax!

So without any guilts, I agree with the poster, Im not going to mention all the faults here, but to even out the odds for Binho. Binho deliver a nice pass to Seedorf, he just have to turn 90 dgree and shoot on goal, but he did not.

Some ppl quote that Dinho is almost done, and he must exit this coming January!

But I belive that Dinho can have the work done a lot better then Seedorf.

The fact is that Seedorf is to slow, he cant dribble, not run,, only yogging will not do the work, He had 2 great passes in 70 min, but lost the ball a lot, infact more then 10 times!!

 

[MilanMB]

I really really hope this is his last season at Milan as a player.

 

[Mrk]

I think its time for him to leave the club while he is still loved by (most) of the fans.

 

[whiterabbit]

SLOWDORF again being slowdorf last night........................huge player in it's time still can deliver from timw to timw but just not every week