The Rumour Commode XLII: An Homage to Bunga

[Sheva0172]

we could be out of scudetto race after matchday 10

Could be, grazie.

 

[Storkness]

American players are ******s tactically. Poor development and shitty ass coaching here in the states.

Look at dest. Piece of shit looked lost, worse than mesbah who was a real piece of shit.

Lol you could have made the most accurate statement about American players, I won’t even argue against your point.. but then use Dest as the example

Dest AND Musah are two of the least American trained players on the NT.. outside of Balogun

 

[Qaas]

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Mind you you guys are pushing 70

 

[MilanBG]

This is simply untrue? We only made 13 million in profits? Where did the 47 million come from?

I think some people have a hard time understanding the difference between revenue and profit? Perhaps that is it.

What does profit have to do with anything here? There are teams spending big despite being deep in loss.

 

[MilanBG]

idk how you can look at Musahs highlight and say hes not a top talent

he looks amazing

Same here. Some of his moves from a comp I shared yesterday are top notch. Amazing drive with the ball, amazing pace and very good ball control. Of course it's just a highlight video, but the talent is evident from the ISS.

 

[milanator]

American players are ******s tactically. Poor development and shitty ass coaching here in the states.

Look at dest. Piece of shit looked lost, worse than mesbah who was a real piece of shit.

Musah went through Arsenal youth, not US System, he only now changed to US NT after representing England on youth level. Pulisic joined BVB pretty early as well.

 

[Master Smurf]

Guess will be sold at the vicinity of 50-70m next year

His highlights looked good when we were rumoured earlier in the window.

 

[Neruda]

Same here. Some of his moves from a comp I shared yesterday are top notch. Amazing drive with the ball, amazing pace and very good ball control. Of course it's just a highlight video, but the talent is evident from the ISS.

what about the dribbling and the fact that he looks impossible to take the ball from ?

 

[MilanBG]

what about the dribbling and the fact that he looks impossible to take the ball from ?

It really sucks

 

[jawz10]

Would you rather keep him or have a 25mil brand new Moncada pick ?
Its an easy decision.
There is more chances for Adlu or Origi to blow than him.
Its a matter if he blow with another team or not , whats matter is can he blows here because he doesnt even suit us.

25 mil is nothing for a CF nowadays, which is his position in Brugge when he had a great season in league AND CL. The problem, as you point out, is that he doesn’t “suit us” which is to say he’s not a Giroud type of CF and therefore our manager doesn’t see his usefulness. The current Brighton coach and former Milan player Roberto De Zerbi gave an interview where he talked about how clear CDK’s talents were, but Pioli can only see him as a AM which is kind of absurd.

If we let him go, thats fine, as Milan is more important than any player or staff. But then, I’d rather we replace Pioli rather than an entire squad of players.

 

[Chiko]

What does profit have to do with anything here? There are teams spending big despite being deep in loss.

Read your own comments. How is Gerry spending money Milan generated when they only generated 13 million? Where does the money come from? The answer is simple the owners pocket.

Teams that are losing money spend money from where, the owners pockets because why they do not generate money. So where is Gerry not spending his own money, where is he spending Milan generated money. Milan by all accounts is still not highly profitable and generates very little in cash flow for it to be self-sustaining. I would give you a business crash course but it’s obvious from your arguments that are so far off logic that it matters very little because you believe in something that makes 0 sense and have a clear belief that you want to continue believing in.

Profits equals money generated. The rest is none factor.

 

[milanator]

25 mil is nothing for a CF nowadays, which is his position in Brugge when he had a great season in league AND CL. The problem, as you point out, is that he doesn’t “suit us” which is to say he’s not a Giroud type of CF and therefore our manager doesn’t see his usefulness. The current Brighton coach and former Milan player Roberto De Zerbi gave an interview where he talked about how clear CDK’s talents were, but Pioli can only see him as a AM which is kind of absurd.

If we let him go, thats fine, as Milan is more important than any player or staff. But then, I’d rather we replace Pioli rather than an entire squad of players.

Would you honestly trust CDK as CF after last season? His inability to score, going invisible during parts of the game and playing timid … in my opinion that is even worse for a CF than for a CAM.

Also classic but complete strikers are comming back in general and false 9-ish ones are going away with the shift towards more pressing and physicality. Hardly any of the hot CF-profiles at the moment are false 9 types.

 

[Deleted member 35916]

Read your own comments. How is Gerry spending money Milan generated when they only generated 13 million? Where does the money come from? The answer is simple the owners pocket.

Teams that are losing money spend money from where, the owners pockets because why they do not generate money. So where is Gerry not spending his own money, where is he spending Milan generated money. Milan by all accounts is still not highly profitable and generates very little in cash flow for it to be self-sustaining. I would give you a business crash course but it’s obvious from your arguments that are so far off logic that it matters very little because you believe in something that makes 0 sense and have a clear belief that you want to continue believing in.

Profits equals money generated. The rest is none factor.

No.

The money due for all the transfers from this summer aren't actually due this summer. I'm not sure why people keep taking all the transfer fees, adding them up and then saying "we spent X amount this summer!" That's simply not how it works. This is just something that journalists come up with to get article clicks. All the transfer fees are divided by the length of the player's contract and added to the players wages.

So while the total value of all transfers this summer can be over 100m, what is actually due in the summer is only a fraction of that. Gerry isn't putting in a dime of his own money. He never was going to.

Also, most teams that loose money don't spent owners money. Look at United for example...

 

[Master Smurf]

Tona's is much more absurd.
Like x2 absurd.

Stop it

Darwin scored 20 plus in league and like 7-9 in CL against top teams and went for 80; Lukaku won the league in dominant fashion scoring around 20 goals and also went in that bracket (can't remember the figure).

Hojlund didn't even hit double digits. He hasn't done nearly enough to command that figure.

 

[MilanBG]

Read your own comments. How is Gerry spending money Milan generated when they only generated 13 million? Where does the money come from? The answer is simple the owners pocket.

Teams that are losing money spend money from where, the owners pockets because why they do not generate money. So where is Gerry not spending his own money, where is he spending Milan generated money. Milan by all accounts is still not highly profitable and generates very little in cash flow for it to be self-sustaining. I would give you a business crash course but it’s obvious from your arguments that are so far off logic that it matters very little because you believe in something that makes 0 sense and have a clear belief that you want to continue believing in.

Profits equals money generated. The rest is none factor.

Ok, Gerry is spending his own money. I am not going to have this conversation.

 

[MilanBG]

No.

The money due for all the transfers from this summer aren't actually due this summer. I'm not sure why people keep taking all the transfer fees, adding them up and then saying "we spent X amount this summer!" That's simply not how it works. This is just something that journalists come up with to get article clicks. All the transfer fees are divided by the length of the player's contract and added to the players wages.

So while the total value of all transfers this summer can be over 100m, what is actually due in the summer is only a fraction of that. Gerry isn't putting in a dime of his own money. He never was going to.

Don't waste your time, the guy will tell you 'I would give you a business crash course but it’s obvious from your arguments that are so far off logic that it matters very little because you believe in something that makes 0 sense and have a clear belief that you want to continue believing in.' and you will feel miserable for days.

 

[Chiko]

No.

The money due for all the transfers from this summer aren't actually due this summer. I'm not sure why people keep taking all the transfer fees, adding them up and then saying "we spent X amount this summer!" That's simply not how it works. This is just something that journalists come up with to get article clicks. All the transfer fees are divided by the length of the player's contract and added to the players wages.

So while the total value of all transfers this summer can be over 100m, what is actually due in the summer is only a fraction of that. Gerry isn't putting in a dime of his own money. He never was going to.

While that can be true. That’s not how the books work. What is the amount owed from Last seasons transfers. What is the amount owed from the previous season and in that case Tonali’s money isn’t here either? By your logic. Now it’s a game of what aligns with your expectations, what will and does happen it’s a number of the accounts. And whatever that number is. Is by all means higher than Milan’s profits.

No amount that large is ever paid in one go. But the money has to be available from somewhere and it is definitely not available on Milan’s account by any means.

Redbird is paying out of their pockets. Why is it so hard to believe for some? It’s not even about who you like or don’t like. It’s logic and basic finance.

 

[Omer]

Read your own comments. How is Gerry spending money Milan generated when they only generated 13 million? Where does the money come from? The answer is simple the owners pocket.

Teams that are losing money spend money from where, the owners pockets because why they do not generate money. So where is Gerry not spending his own money, where is he spending Milan generated money. Milan by all accounts is still not highly profitable and generates very little in cash flow for it to be self-sustaining. I would give you a business crash course but it’s obvious from your arguments that are so far off logic that it matters very little because you believe in something that makes 0 sense and have a clear belief that you want to continue believing in.

Profits equals money generated. The rest is none factor.

That's not exactly how it works. Transfers are costs that are amortized over 5 years. When costs are higher than revenues then either the owner has to inject money in or the club has to take on debt to cover the shortfall.

Also the current squad would have players whose transfer fee have been fully paid by Elliott, but their accounting costs still haven't been fully amortized. So these are "costs" that continue to come on the books but in terms of cash flow they are zero because the previous owner fully paid them. For example if Elliott already paid the full 28 mil for Tomori but it shows as 5.6 mil cost ( 28 / 5 = 5.6 ) for the next few years on the accounts. That's why the profit / loss doesn't really accurately reflect the net cash flow for a specific year. But over many years net cash flow and the net profit / loss should equal each other.

When the owners make a cash injection / capital injection into the club that's when they are "paying out of their pockets". So far there is no news of RB having made any major capital injection into the club.

 

[punisher]

Until now, I feel our team improved by a good margin.

We certainly upgraded our attack. The icing on the cake would be a new striker (probably backup to giroud since the current options are Veliz and scammaca or icardi on loan).

Our defense is OK, and nevertheless we still don't have the money to buy a starting rb (maybe next year when florenzi and kjaer are gone we will sign a starting rb and a good backup cb).

Regarding our midfield.....if our plan is attack-attack-attack, we may survive/win serie a.
But in Europe I can't see us past QF without a starting DM. Sadly.

 

[Omer]

While that can be true. That’s not how the books work. What is the amount owed from Last seasons transfers. What is the amount owed from the previous season and in that case Tonali’s money isn’t here either? By your logic. Now it’s a game of what aligns with your expectations, what will and does happen it’s a number of the accounts. And whatever that number is. Is by all means higher than Milan’s profits.

No amount that large is ever paid in one go. But the money has to be available from somewhere and it is definitely not available on Milan’s account by any means.

Redbird is paying out of their pockets. Why is it so hard to believe for some? It’s not even about who you like or don’t like. It’s logic and basic finance.

Because Milan's revenues have gone up like crazy. There is a good chance that the new revenues will support a 35-50 mil net mercato with the club still breaking even in terms of profit / loss.

If Milan made a profit of 15 mil last year, then if they spent 50 mil more on players last year, then that would have added another 10 mil to the yearly accounts ( 50 mil/ 5 year contact = 10 mil ) and reduced the profit from 15 mil to 5 mil!

 

[Deleted member 35916]

While that can be true. That’s not how the books work. What is the amount owed from Last seasons transfers. What is the amount owed from the previous season and in that case Tonali’s money isn’t here either? By your logic. Now it’s a game of what aligns with your expectations, what will and does happen it’s a number of the accounts. And whatever that number is. Is by all means higher than Milan’s profits.

No amount that large is ever paid in one go. But the money has to be available from somewhere and it is definitely not available on Milan’s account by any means.

Redbird is paying out of their pockets. Why is it so hard to believe for some? It’s not even about who you like or don’t like. It’s logic and basic finance.

That's exactly how the books work.

Tonali's money can be booked in several different ways. Newcastle can pay in one lump sum or several and the club can choose whether to put that money on this year's books or next year.

I'm not sure if you understand basic principles of accounting. Outgoing are usually on the books the year of the transfer, regardless whether the other club paid that money in one lump sum or not. Incoming transfers are on the books for the duration of the contract.

Lets use Pulisic as an example. He cost 20m. His wage is 4.45m (not sure what the exact amount is) On the books, he will cost the club 8.45m for the next 5 years. That's 4m every year for his transfer fee amortization and 4.45 for his contract.

Gerry has never signaled that he will spend his own money on the club and he doesn't need to. A sale every summer will ensure the club is self sufficient.


Now, here is something you must understand about how accounting works: the money on the books doesn't need to equal the money in the bank account.

 

[punisher]

OK now, how do I even like my own post?
Rofl

 

[Cloren]

Sell if we get a much better DM.

 

[punisher]

That's exactly how the books work.

Tonali's money can be booked in several different ways. Newcastle can pay in one lump sum or several and the club can choose whether to put that money on this year's books or next year.

I'm not sure if you understand basic principles of accounting. Outgoing are usually on the books the year of the transfer, regardless whether the other club paid that money in one lump sum or not. Incoming transfers are on the books for the duration of the contract.

Lets use Pulisic as an example. He cost 20m. His wage is 4.45m (not sure what the exact amount is) On the books, he will cost the club 8.45m for the next 5 years. That's 4m every year for his transfer fee amortization and 4.45 for his contract.

Gerry has never signaled that he will spend his own money on the club and he doesn't need to. A sale every summer will ensure the club is self sufficient.


Now, here is something you must understand about how accounting works: the money on the books doesn't need to equal the money in the bank account.

I like your post.

What Arabs know about accounting?
I mean, if we had a rich Arab owner would we still care about maths and accounting?

Or come here atalanta, take 80 mils and give us Hojlund in a minute?

 

[BobbySwizz]

Not that he was linked to us this summer but Lesley Ugochukwu is heading to Chelsea

Would have been an excellent DM choice.

Any more links to Redondo and/or Mats Wieffer? I think they would both be great additions if we are looking

 

[punisher]

Sell if we get a much better DM.

Lol yeah, like Fenerbahce have 10 mils to buy krunic.

No fucking way.

 

[rossonero23]

Lol you could have made the most accurate statement about American players, I won’t even argue against your point.. but then use Dest as the example

Dest AND Musah are two of the least American trained players on the NT.. outside of Balogun

It's all athleticism

 

[rossonero23]

Pioli will sell his arm before krunic goes anywhere.
Too bad Benny has serious injury

Amrabat still out there

 

[rossonero1]

Origi out> new CF in
Messias out>new mid in
Saelemakers out> new RB in
FBT out>new LB in
Gabbia already out, maybe Kajer as well >new CB in

 

[nefremo]

That's exactly how the books work.

Tonali's money can be booked in several different ways. Newcastle can pay in one lump sum or several and the club can choose whether to put that money on this year's books or next year.

I'm not sure if you understand basic principles of accounting. Outgoing are usually on the books the year of the transfer, regardless whether the other club paid that money in one lump sum or not. Incoming transfers are on the books for the duration of the contract.

Lets use Pulisic as an example. He cost 20m. His wage is 4.45m (not sure what the exact amount is) On the books, he will cost the club 8.45m for the next 5 years. That's 4m every year for his transfer fee amortization and 4.45 for his contract.

Gerry has never signaled that he will spend his own money on the club and he doesn't need to. A sale every summer will ensure the club is self sufficient.


Now, here is something you must understand about how accounting works: the money on the books doesn't need to equal the money in the bank account.

I think he is trying to say the same thing in a way.

At the end of the day, to know for sure if we are running cash negative (meaning ownership is injecting cash), you need a statement of cash flow. Which you could derive from an income statement and balance sheet (if you have accurate ones from Milan).

It's almost impossible to tell for sure from the information that we have.