The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

[danilo1899]

Once again Carlo Pellegatti held his weekly talk with Hellas Veronas Ex-match-analyst and Milan fan Luca Diddi, and once again a lot of interesting insights came out of this.

Carlo Pellegatti: Luca, you’ve just rewatched the whole game. Was De Rossi's decision to put El Shaarawy on the right all it took to disrupt all of Milan's plans? What went wrong?

Luca Diddi: Well, Carlo, the errors in the first half were numerous, starting with a flawed first press by Milan and a struggle to execute a specific style of play due to a lack of players suited to it. I also observed Milan completely faltering in their first press during the first half.

Pellegatti: How exactly?

Luca Diddi: Rafael Leao constantly pressed Smalling, leaving Celik and El Shaarawy in a two-against-one situation with Theo Hernandez. This alone caused chaos because it allowed Reijnders to attempt to even the numbers, but whenever he did, Cristante was left completely unmarked. Additionally, Paredes and Pellegri completed their midfield trio, while Dybala dropped between the lines, acting as a playmaker, further overwhelming Bennacer who suddenly had to cover for everyone. Essentially, Roma consistently had numerical superiority in midfield because Milan's first press focused on Leao pressing Smalling. It's that simple.

Pellegatti: But why did Leao press Smalling?

Luca Diddi: I don’t know. Honestly, there's no logic in that decision. It was Mancini building from behind or Paredes dropping deep to receive the ball, pressing Smalling was useless.

Pellegatti: You also mentioned that Pioli wants to play a certain way even when missing crucial players for that style of play?

Luca Diddi: Yes, besides the flawed first press in the first half, there was a constant delay from our center-backs in advancing, especially Gabbia on Dybala, who had too much freedom in the first half. Obviously, this brings us back to the point that has been made by many: Tomori and Kalulu possess the aggressiveness, urgency, and pressing to play in an advanced midfield role and disrupt the opponent's playmaker. Gabbia doesn’t, and neither does Thiaw. Therefore, as a coach, I need to adapt and alter our defensive approach and pressing tactics.

Pellegatti: So that's how Roma could dominate in the first half.

Luca Diddi: It was a culmination of several incorrect decisions on our part. From Leao being bypassed by Celik due to his focus on Smalling, to Gabbia failing to close down Dybala, to Reijnders being out of position, unsure whether to follow Cristante or Celik, leaving both Theo and Bennacer constantly in a two-on-one scenario with their opponents. Yeah, that's the simple summary of our first half.

Pellegatti: Then Pioli deployed Leao on the wrong opponent.

Luca Diddi: I'm not sure if that’s the case. After the game, Pioli mentioned he wasn’t satisfied with Leao's positioning either and that Leao should have stayed wider. Indeed, in the second half, Leao ceased tracking Smalling and instead focused on Celik. That's when we started to better control Roma. So either Leao misunderstood his assignments in the first half or chose to ignore them. But that's not the end of the story.

Pellegatti: No?

Luca Diddi: You see, Leao is a player who doesn't do both defensive and offensive phases. He either can't or simply doesn’t bother. Milan looked better in the second half because we altered our first press and Leao started tracking Celik. However, he never fully covered the whole flank. For instance, at the 61st minute, Cristante started deep, passed Leao, who then remained completely stationary instead of tracking him, allowing a counter that led to Lukaku taking a shot. Maignan then expressed his frustration towards Leao for failing to track back, you can see it in the footage.

Pellegatti: But why doesn’t he do both phases?

Luca Diddi: Based on his body language, he doesn't seem to like it. But who am I to say? I honestly don't know. It appears to be a part of his playing style, which is why in the past, we switched to a 4-4-2 formation where either Pulisic or Chuckwueze sacrificed themselves in midfield so that Leao could freely express himself upfront.

Pellegatti: When I think of great attackers of the past, no one expected Shevchenko or Inzaghi to excel in both phases. Has football evolved that much that everyone defends and attacks with all eleven players?

Luca Diddi: Not exactly. What I'm saying is, if Leao isn’t willing to contribute defensively, then as a coach, I must adjust our lineup accordingly. If I know Leao won’t help out defensively, then Reijnders and after him the entire midfield, will always struggle. In that case, I would play Musah instead. Musah possesses more athleticism, defensive awareness, and stamina than Reijnders to support Leao. I can’t afford to have both Reijnders and Leao on the left side if Leao refuses to contribute defensively, leaving gaps for opponents to exploit. This has been evident for two years now, and I'm not the only one who has noticed.

Pellegatti: It's incredible. It’s the same mistake we consistently make against Inter. De Rossi must have watched some derbies.

Luca Diddi: No, I disagree. Many have cited the derbies, but our errors were different there. You know which game last night’s reminded me of? Paris Saint-Germain vs. Milan in Paris. We made the exact same mistakes there. Leao pressing Marquinhos, Hakimi attacking without being tracked, therefore Musah overwhelmed in midfield and Theo in constant two-on-one situations. It ended 3-0 for PSG.

Pellegatti: Perhaps some of your colleagues watched the PSG game then.

Luca Diddi: I'm sure they did. Look, I personally know the match analysts who work with De Rossi. I've worked with them too. They are competent. That's why I was so concerned about this game. I knew they would analyze our weaknesses well and prepare accordingly. I hoped Pioli would do the same, but after the first five minutes, seeing the same first press from Leao on Smalling like back then in Paris on Marquinhos, I knew: "PSG-Milan, all over again." PSG, mind you, not Inter. These were two games we lost in completely different ways. Last night was reminiscent of the PSG game, not the derby.

Pellegatti: So, De Rossi outplayed Pioli tactically?

Luca Diddi: Yes, De Rossi’s team played cautiously, balanced, and with a spirit of fight and sacrifice, anticipating Milan's tactics. Milan, on the other hand, was poorly organized, committing the same mistakes as against PSG and additionally lacking focus and determination on many fronts.

Pellegatti: So, what's the solution?

Luca Diddi: If I were Milan's match analyst, I would review the goals conceded and the situations in the first half to understand what went wrong. Based on that analysis, I would conclude: «Coach, we need to adjust our tactics when we're missing key players or when certain players refuse to contribute defensively. We can't continue in the same manner when we're not in possession.» I've always praised Pioli's attacking tactics, but I've consistently criticized our defensive positioning. It's a cycle we need to break.

Pellegatti: But when it's evident to you and many other match analysts working with coaches in Italy, why don’t we change it? Isn’t it obvious to Pioli and his match analysts too?

Luca Diddi: ...

Pellegatti: Well, that's an answer too.

Luca Diddi: Honestly, Carlo, I don’t know. That’s why I can’t even give you an answer to this question.

Was going to write a long-ass tactical analysis, thank you for posting this and sparing me (and all of you) the trouble.

I only find solace in all of this knowing that Pioli is definitely not staying if we exit europe now... Watching Bayer for months I know we stand no chance against them, their setup with 3atb and very attacking wingbacks is a nightmare for Pioli (see Inter, Atalanta, even Juve), not to mention their very agile front line.

It's not the end of the world, but I wrote many, may times about how much we miss Kessie in that left double-pivot to cover for Theo and Leao and that playing Deers there is a suicide against better squads (not bc Tiji himself, but bc our whole left side is then too attacking, we have no corrector there if we lose the ball upfield). We don't have a Kessie-tyoe player at all, who is tactically astute and knows when to drop and when to push.

Seeing Bennacer getting the nod ahead of Adli is another fail of Pioli (nothing against Bennacer, but he didn't improve one bit in his time here and hogs the ball too much these days). Not that Adli is a longterm solution in double-pivot, but it is what it is and he's definitely better in our setup than Benna.

I'm positive we can beat this Roma (they weren't even that good last night) but Pioli simply overstayed his welcome here and should've left last summer. When he was late yesterday with subs, I was fuming and finally I see come 75th minute Chuck and Oka ready to enter... Any sane fan would think for Giroud and RLC... That's how much "sane" Pioli is.

He's unable to make adjustments right away, it always takes ages until he finally reacts, not to mention he hit his ceiling here and won a scudetto; how can he possibly top that? Thank you, please leave and be on fire somwhere else.

I expect us to walk over Sass come sunday but our season (and Pioli's fate) will be sealed at Olimpico next thursday. If he'll be finally dumped bc of our potential exit - we'll be better for it. Still, I can't go against myself and I'll still be hoping and rooting for us to go through just to then witness our real level against Bayer. Good times ahead.

 

[Master Smurf]

Incredible how Pioli gets it right game after game in March and into April, wins 7 in a row, and then once he gets a game slightly wrong, we're ready to execute him in the public square. We should have won last game 2-0, instead we lost 0-1. I understand that Pioli has his moments of poor performance, but what's the alternative? He never gets anything wrong? Every game has the best lineup and best tactics right out the gate? "If Pioli isn't perfect and the best manager in the world every single game, then he's a bald fraud who should kill himself." There's a middle ground here, morons.

It wasnt only tactics yesterday - there was no spirit


All of that analysis and talking about go back to watch the goals - they scored because we fail to mark properly / arent alert enough on a set piece. That has been an issue for years now.

 

[Alo88]

It wasnt only tactics yesterday - there was no spirit


All of that analysis and talking about go back to watch the goals - they scored because we fail to mark properly / arent alert enough on a set piece. That has been an issue for years now.

I too think you could see from the very first second of this game the difference in body language between us and Roma.

Diddi mentioned that too, but read it differently than most of us. I left the part out because the post got longer and longer. However he basically said there's always this period after a long streak of wins of us where we become all smug and overconfident, almost supercilious. The players began the game like they were sure it would go their way any moment, by divine intervention or whatever, not giving too much of an effort while De Rossi's Roma was out there fighting for the win and not taking anything for granted.

That happens a lot to us.

I don't know if I agree with him on that tho. I guess ironically enough one can read it both ways (scared or overconfident) while the result remains the same: dull, unfocused and lethargic gamestyle.

 

[Master Smurf]

I too think you could see from the very first second of this game the difference in body language between us and Roma.

Diddi mentioned that too, but read it differently than most of us. I left the part out because the post got longer and longer. However he basically said there's always this period after a long streak of wins of us where we become all smug and overconfident, almost supercilious. The players began the game like they were sure it would go their way any moment, by divine intervention or whatever, not giving too much of an effort while De Rossi's Roma was out there fighting for the win and not taking anything for granted.

That happens a lot to us.

I don't know if I agree with him on that tho. I guess one can read it both ways and the result remains the same: dull, unfocused and lethargic gamestyle.

OK

I do think its an issue but more than us going cold after a good streak; we seem to have this problem on too many Euro nights so that speaks to how the coach preps the team for those occasions. It has to be the coach or the leaders in the group. Our mental approach is just not correct.

On the tactics and press etc - Rafa is absolutely poor defensively and puts no opponent under pressure but if he was pressing incorrectly, the coach just needs to pass on the message to correct the issue. If the issue didnt resolve itself then that is on the coach.
Also if Pioli said he wanted Rafa to stay wider, doesnt that play into Roma's hand with how the deployed SES?

 

[Hugh Janus]

Incredible how Pioli gets it right game after game in March and into April, wins 7 in a row, and then once he gets a game slightly wrong, we're ready to execute him in the public square. We should have won last game 2-0, instead we lost 0-1. I understand that Pioli has his moments of poor performance, but what's the alternative? He never gets anything wrong? Every game has the best lineup and best tactics right out the gate? "If Pioli isn't perfect and the best manager in the world every single game, then he's a bald fraud who should kill himself." There's a middle ground here, morons.

Have some shame ffs

 

[vB9]

Premier League paid more than double Serie A agent’s fees​

Inter came out on top by spending €34.8m, followed a long way behind by Juventus on €23.05m, Fiorentina €15.3m, Milan €15.27m and Atalanta €14.77m.

im very opposed to agent commissions... but you do miss out on players

 

[vB9]

Roma are using their Europa League quarter-final win over Milan as an opportunity to take a vacation and celebrate in Inter legend Javier Zanetti’s restaurant.

 

[vB9]

look at this fat feck... he's not even off the ground!

 

[LemonCookies]

The middle ground is Pioli's flawed approach can overwhelm the middling Italian teams but will falter vs any top team/well-prepared team

This career 2nd rate coach is no one's savior

Well, he's not a "career 2nd rate coach" when one of his best qualities for the majority of his time with us has been about getting good results against good teams. Inter has had our number. Everyone knows it. But we've shaken off Napoli, Lazio, Roma, and even Juventus for years now, either winning or drawing most of the time, and up until this year, we've consistently gotten results against Atalanta, too. If you want to argue that he's a 2nd rate coach this season, fine. I mean, he's comfortably sitting in 2nd place in Serie A, so I guess it tracks.

Also, and as a reminder, Pioli's now managed over 230 matches for us. If you really want to make the argument that in the entire time he's been here, he's always been a 2nd rate fraud who's consistently bad against "top/well-prepared" teams, I'm sorry, but you're flat out wrong. I'm tempted to tally up all our games against these teams just to a prove a point, but this is RnB, so n

It wasnt only tactics yesterday - there was no spirit

All of that analysis and talking about go back to watch the goals - they scored because we fail to mark properly / arent alert enough on a set piece. That has been an issue for years now.

True, but this can't all be on the coach. We looked lively and alert match after match recently. Why the sudden change? I dunno. But were you guys stuffing Pioli's balls in your mouth when we looked energetic, happy, and high on our play? No. Once again, as always, Pioli gets ZERO credit for when we're dominating and the mood seems great, and gets ALL the credit for when, whether he gets little tactical assignments wrong or not, our players look tired, bemused, and uninspired. I've said this a zillion times this season, but motivation comes from within. Inspiration cannot carry the will to win a football game.

Yes, we lost to Roma tactically, but we still deserved something from the match. It's not Pioli's fault that the ref last night was ass. It's not Pioli's fault that Roma shouldn't have gotten a corner after Lukaku was offside. It's not Pioli's fault that Giroud was dreaming of LA after Chuk pulled a Messi and gave him the easiest chance of his life. It's not Pioli's fault that Tammy played rubgy for a split second and no penalty was called. It also wouldn't be Pioli's fault when Giroud also missed that penalty, too, the fucking cunt.

Point is, if y'all want to doom and gloom about Pioli, that's fine. But give him credit when things are going well, too. If you don't want to do that, then shut the fuck and admit you're a stooge. I dunno why it's so hard to give our people credit.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

We will beat those pussies(minus ses) if the players care enough

Ses is also a pussy. Dint want to play here in milan cause of competition and now he is happy to be a sub in roma

 

[Curupira]

True, but this can't all be on the coach. We looked lively and alert match after match recently. Why the sudden change? I dunno. But were you guys stuffing Pioli's balls in your mouth when we looked energetic, happy, and high on our play? No. Once again, as always, Pioli gets ZERO credit for when we're dominating and the mood seems great, and gets ALL the credit for when, whether he gets little tactical assignments wrong or not, our players look tired, bemused, and uninspired. I've said this a zillion times this season, but motivation comes from within. Inspiration cannot carry the will to win a football game.

Yes, we lost to Roma tactically, but we still deserved something from the match. It's not Pioli's fault that the ref last night was ass. It's not Pioli's fault that Roma shouldn't have gotten a corner after Lukaku was offside. It's not Pioli's fault that Giroud was dreaming of LA after Chuk pulled a Messi and gave him the easiest chance of his life. It's not Pioli's fault that Tammy played rubgy for a split second and no penalty was called. It also wouldn't be Pioli's fault when Giroud also missed that penalty, too, the fucking cunt.

Point is, if y'all want to doom and gloom about Pioli, that's fine. But give him credit when things are going well, too. If you don't want to do that, then shut the fuck and admit you're a stooge. I dunno why it's so hard to give our people credit.

I agree with your point overall but your characterization of Smurf isn’t accurate.

He isn’t one of these ppl who claimed Pioli was the second coming for Sacchi and now is shitting on him for everything. As a matter of fact, I have seen him give credit for deploying RLC to best utilize his traits on multiple occasions.

But you are right. At this point people have their minds made up on Pioli and it’s hard to admit he can get somethings right and it’s easier to attack posters who “defend Pioli” from other angles instead of addressing Pioli’s merit.

If people choose to operate like “winning the argument” on Pioli will somehow make the problems that Pioli (and any other managers) would have to deal with go away, then they are just gonna be bitching more further down the line (we’ve already seen this played out )

 

[LemonCookies]

I agree with your point overall but your characterization of Smurf isn’t accurate.

He isn’t one of these ppl who claimed Pioli was the second coming for Sacchi and now is shitting on him. As a matter of fact, I have seen him give credit for deploying RLC to best utilize his traits on multiple occasions.

But you are right. At this point people have their minds made up on Pioli and it’s hard to admit he can get somethings right.

More a second person you, not Smurf specifically. English doesn't differentiate that well.

 

[icculus71]

Was going to write a long-ass tactical analysis, thank you for posting this and sparing me (and all of you) the trouble.

I only find solace in all of this knowing that Pioli is definitely not staying if we exit europe now... Watching Bayer for months I know we stand no chance against them, their setup with 3atb and very attacking wingbacks is a nightmare for Pioli (see Inter, Atalanta, even Juve), not to mention their very agile front line.

It's not the end of the world, but I wrote many, may times about how much we miss Kessie in that left double-pivot to cover for Theo and Leao and that playing Deers there is a suicide against better squads (not bc Tiji himself, but bc our whole left side is then too attacking, we have no corrector there if we lose the ball upfield). We don't have a Kessie-tyoe player at all, who is tactically astute and knows when to drop and when to push.

Seeing Bennacer getting the nod ahead of Adli is another fail of Pioli (nothing against Bennacer, but he didn't improve one bit in his time here and hogs the ball too much these days). Not that Adli is a longterm solution in double-pivot, but it is what it is and he's definitely better in our setup than Benna.

I'm positive we can beat this Roma (they weren't even that good last night) but Pioli simply overstayed his welcome here and should've left last summer. When he was late yesterday with subs, I was fuming and finally I see come 75th minute Chuck and Oka ready to enter... Any sane fan would think for Giroud and RLC... That's how much "sane" Pioli is.

He's unable to make adjustments right away, it always takes ages until he finally reacts, not to mention he hit his ceiling here and won a scudetto; how can he possibly top that? Thank you, please leave and be on fire somwhere else.

I expect us to walk over Sass come sunday but our season (and Pioli's fate) will be sealed at Olimpico next thursday. If he'll be finally dumped bc of our potential exit - we'll be better for it. Still, I can't go against myself and I'll still be hoping and rooting for us to go through just to then witness our real level against Bayer. Good times ahead.

we are on the same wave lenght, astute post daiilo...

I was hoping for the sub of chuck for RLC and move pulisic to the middle & okafor for OG...actually brought this up in the first half as an exciting option.
when I saw the the 2 on the side lines, i then exclamed, "wow, pioli and I are finally on the same page"...then he takes off our top (2) offensive weapons?????
sure leao is lazy defensively, but, come on, were down a goal and at any time, leao can do the special thing...unbelievable.
he did get my adli for bene...so I'll give him that, but probably should of started that way.

while moderately successful, i personally dont care for our tactics...calabria inverting to CM, to CF on every possession simply pisses me off.
our defence is so uncohesive. thaiw needs work, actually rate gabbia higher.

keeping the faith that we can get a result in rome.

 

[Curupira]

I too think you could see from the very first second of this game the difference in body language between us and Roma.

Diddi mentioned that too, but read it differently than most of us. I left the part out because the post got longer and longer. However he basically said there's always this period after a long streak of wins of us where we become all smug and overconfident, almost supercilious. The players began the game like they were sure it would go their way any moment, by divine intervention or whatever, not giving too much of an effort while De Rossi's Roma was out there fighting for the win and not taking anything for granted.

That happens a lot to us.

I don't know if I agree with him on that tho. I guess ironically enough one can read it both ways (scared or overconfident) while the result remains the same: dull, unfocused and lethargic gamestyle.

The fact that Bennacer started this game showed that our manager was complacent and that messaged definitely made it’s way to the squad.

I know I am a Bennacer “hater” but what has he done this season this point to justify starting in an important match? A couple of good passes here and there sandwiched between defensive lapses and poor passing. Was poor barring a couple of bright moments when played further up the pitch as well.

I even say I understand Pioli’s reasoning in playing him: trying to integrate him back and try to get his highest paid player into a position where at least he’s producing. But that objective is clearly a luxury compared to trying to advance further into a competition.

Absolutely poor from Pioli, I’m sure the players picked up on that bc the body language was just

 

[rossonero1]

At #ACMilan Stefano's position #Pioli remains in question. The coach is playing for confirmation at the end of the season. Yesterday the management (Ibrahimovic first and foremost) was very disappointed and his stay on the bench for the 24/25 season is back in the balance. #calciomercato

 

[LemonCookies]

Pioli the fraud. Should have won 8 in a row and confirmed his place for next season!

 

[papaberlu]

Well, he's not a "career 2nd rate coach" when one of his best qualities for the majority of his time with us has been about getting good results against good teams. Inter has had our number. Everyone knows it. But we've shaken off Napoli, Lazio, Roma, and even Juventus for years now, either winning or drawing most of the time, and up until this year, we've consistently gotten results against Atalanta, too. If you want to argue that he's a 2nd rate coach this season, fine. I mean, he's comfortably sitting in 2nd place in Serie A, so I guess it tracks.

Also, and as a reminder, Pioli's now managed over 230 matches for us. If you really want to make the argument that in the entire time he's been here, he's always been a 2nd rate fraud who's consistently bad against "top/well-prepared" teams, I'm sorry, but you're flat out wrong. I'm tempted to tally up all our games against these teams just to a prove a point, but this is RnB, so n

You know he had a career before Milan right? Not many titles to show for it either

The approach he has adopted for the past 2 seasons is flawed and will never work against top teams, plenty of losses to prove it. I've said a million times as to why so I don't wish to repeat myself

If you want to think beating the likes of Lecce and Verona is what this team should aim for then go ahead, twerk for Pioli. I would like to see Milan lift some trophies

 

[Raghav]

Well, he's not a "career 2nd rate coach" when one of his best qualities for the majority of his time with us has been about getting good results against good teams. Inter has had our number. Everyone knows it. But we've shaken off Napoli, Lazio, Roma, and even Juventus for years now, either winning or drawing most of the time, and up until this year, we've consistently gotten results against Atalanta, too. If you want to argue that he's a 2nd rate coach this season, fine. I mean, he's comfortably sitting in 2nd place in Serie A, so I guess it tracks.

Also, and as a reminder, Pioli's now managed over 230 matches for us. If you really want to make the argument that in the entire time he's been here, he's always been a 2nd rate fraud who's consistently bad against "top/well-prepared" teams, I'm sorry, but you're flat out wrong. I'm tempted to tally up all our games against these teams just to a prove a point, but this is RnB, so n

True, but this can't all be on the coach. We looked lively and alert match after match recently. Why the sudden change? I dunno. But were you guys stuffing Pioli's balls in your mouth when we looked energetic, happy, and high on our play? No. Once again, as always, Pioli gets ZERO credit for when we're dominating and the mood seems great, and gets ALL the credit for when, whether he gets little tactical assignments wrong or not, our players look tired, bemused, and uninspired. I've said this a zillion times this season, but motivation comes from within. Inspiration cannot carry the will to win a football game.

Yes, we lost to Roma tactically, but we still deserved something from the match. It's not Pioli's fault that the ref last night was ass. It's not Pioli's fault that Roma shouldn't have gotten a corner after Lukaku was offside. It's not Pioli's fault that Giroud was dreaming of LA after Chuk pulled a Messi and gave him the easiest chance of his life. It's not Pioli's fault that Tammy played rubgy for a split second and no penalty was called. It also wouldn't be Pioli's fault when Giroud also missed that penalty, too, the fucking cunt.

Point is, if y'all want to doom and gloom about Pioli, that's fine. But give him credit when things are going well, too. If you don't want to do that, then shut the fuck and admit you're a stooge. I dunno why it's so hard to give our people credit.

Friend, I think you should take his saggy old cock out of your mouth

 

[LemonCookies]

You know he had a career before Milan right? Not many titles to show for it either

Oh, wow, yeah, what a lovely moving of the goal posts. "Pioli used to coach Piacenza, the fraud, fucking loser." You're a genius.

The approach he has adopted for the past 2 seasons is flawed and will never work against top teams, plenty of losses to prove it. I've said a million times as to why so I don't wish to repeat myself

"Never" is a big word to throw out when we achieved CL semifinals last year and have been more than competitive against top teams this season, apart from Inter.

If you want to think beating the likes of Lecce and Verona is what this team should aim for then go ahead, twerk for Pioli. I would like to see Milan lift some trophies

You're right, my biggest hope is that we only beat small clubs, lose to the other big clubs, and not win any trophies

Are you always this fucking brain dead or have I simply had the pleasure of avoiding your tinpot arguments for an entire year?

 

[ymsv]

Somehow it is never his fault but of everyone else around . If he takes a credits for success he should take a credits also for faults .

 

[icculus71]

(gonna keep pushing this narrative...copy/paste makes it easy)
no need to shit on pioli, you can disagree and scrutinize his coaching, but the man should have earned our respect.

Pioli:
he is a good coach.
his tactics and substitutions are beyond my ability to defend, as I really dont agree with a lot of it.
he did very well, taking a young team and bring them to where we are comfortable making CL each year.
All the good he has done, does NOT equate into being the coach needed, once the foundation is built.
example, look at ten hag, who a lot of people thought would be great here and a great coach.
as zlatan put it - ten hag, found success at ajax, working with young players and getting them to buy into his system. that is a lot different than coaching a team full of WC players and getting them (& their ego's) to buy into a system.
imho: he's not the guy. However, if our target...to be consistantly back at the top of world football...is a few years out, then a switch now, should only be done, if "the one" becomes available.
what we dont want to do, is get a coach that threatens our foundation and delays the progress. the grass aint always greener.
(and no matter how many posts we have about wanting or needing a DM...it aint gonna happen)

 

[LemonCookies]

Friend, I think you should take his saggy old cock out of your mouth

Only if you take Carlo's out of yours. A cock for a cock, if you will.

 

[papaberlu]

Oh, wow, yeah, what a lovely moving of the goal posts. "Pioli used to coach Piacenza, the fraud, fucking loser." You're a genius.

"Never" is a big word to throw out when we achieved CL semifinals last year and have been more than competitive against top teams this season, apart from Inter.

You're right, my biggest hope is that we only beat small clubs, lose to the other big clubs, and not win any trophies

Are you always this fucking brain dead or have I simply had the pleasure of avoiding your tinpot arguments for an entire year?

Why are you so angry?

I called him a career 2nd rate coach...which he is. Are you so angry you refuse to read?

There aren't many big/smart teams in Italy so as I've said before he'll generally do fine against them and guarantee a top 4 but he won't achieve much else

We've seen how his tactical decisions have cost this club over the past two years vs the likes of Inter, PSG, Dortmund, Chelsea, etc. Probably get a really nice demonstration of it in a week or so with a double whammy vs Inter and Leverkusen

 

[Milan10]

 

[LemonCookies]

Why are you so angry?

I called him a career 2nd rate coach...which he is. Are you so angry you refuse to read?

There aren't many big/smart teams in Italy so as I've said before he'll generally do fine against them and guarantee a top 4 but he won't achieve much else

We've seen how his tactical decisions have cost this club over the past two years vs the likes of Inter, PSG, Dortmund, Chelsea, etc. Probably get a really nice demonstration of it in a week or so with a double whammy vs Inter and Leverkusen

I'm not angry, but I am lacking in patience when I keep reading the same tired arguments about Pioli being trotted out only after a loss. Everybody's mum when we're ripping through everyone for one of our best win streaks in a long time, but as soon as he gets it wrong, he's thrown into the ocean. It's the lowest kind of criticism and judgment, on my view. Praise him when he does well, slag him when he gets it wrong. If all anybody does is the latter, then I think that's shit criticism. I wouldn't appreciate that from anyone in my own life, whether personally or professionally, so I dunno why folks think it's reasonable to do it for Pioli.

Anyway, for as much as you think Pioli is a bum, I see that you've already penciled us into the next EL round. What's with that? Is Pioli going to get it right away from home in Rome? Seems like the answer must be "yes", so I await your praise of Pioli when that happens. If not, then I'll keep my tinfoil hat firmly on my head.

 

[LemonCookies]

(gonna keep pushing this narrative...copy/paste makes it easy)
no need to shit on pioli, you can disagree and scrutinize his coaching, but the man should have earned our respect.

Pioli:
he is a good coach.
his tactics and substitutions are beyond my ability to defend, as I really dont agree with a lot of it.
he did very well, taking a young team and bring them to where we are comfortable making CL each year.
All the good he has done, does NOT equate into being the coach needed, once the foundation is built.
example, look at ten hag, who a lot of people thought would be great here and a great coach.
as zlatan put it - ten hag, found success at ajax, working with young players and getting them to buy into his system. that is a lot different than coaching a team full of WC players and getting them (& their ego's) to buy into a system.
imho: he's not the guy. However, if our target...to be consistantly back at the top of world football...is a few years out, then a switch now, should only be done, if "the one" becomes available.
what we dont want to do, is get a coach that threatens our foundation and delays the progress. the grass aint always greener.
(and no matter how many posts we have about wanting or needing a DM...it aint gonna happen)

The question has always been who replaces Pioli. People can drag him through the mud all they want, but there aren't that many coaches who are or will be available in two months who might do a better job than Pioli has.

 

[Raghav]

Only if you take Carlo's out of yours. A cock for a cock, if you will.

Pioli was a godsend when he arrived . He did a good job last few years to bring us back into relevance.. no one can take that away from him.. but come on WE ARE MILAN. No room for mediocrity in the long run. And that’s what he is for the current situation of Milan. MEDIOCRE. We cannot take the next step up with him and it’s painfully obvious to anyone without his dick in their mouth.

 

[LemonCookies]

Pioli was a godsend when he arrived . He did a good job last few years to bring us back into relevance.. no one can take that away from him.. but come on WE ARE MILAN. No room for mediocrity in the long run. And that’s what he is for the current situation of Milan. MEDIOCRE. We cannot take the next step up with him and it’s painfully obvious to anyone without his dick in their mouth.

You were calling for Carlo's head his last 3 seasons with us, then, right?

 

[Raghav]

You were calling for Carlo's head his last 3 seasons with us, then, right?

Bringing Carlo into a conversation about fucking Pioli .

This conversation itself is fucking mediocre now - just like that old wrinkly thing in ur mouth

 

[LemonCookies]

Bringing Carlo into a conversation about fucking Pioli .

This conversation itself is fucking mediocre now - just like that old wrinkly thing in ur mouth

He's your pfp. I just figured you were consistent in wanting coaches out when they become mediocre