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Fonseca is a fodder coach. Our management is useless. They like to make budget picks for coaches. No ambition for sporting success whatsoever. They get shafted on the regular by mediocre mid table directors in transfer deals, player acquisitions, lega calcio rule changes and council lel. Not to mention media which has zero respect for them.
Believe or not, I’m not particularly Pro-Fonseca either. He wouldn’t have been my coach if I was tasked to select a coach to replace Pioli. But one has to be realistic about expectations in relation to asked upon task when considering what he has to work with. Totally agree about the management though.
 

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Allegri didn't know what to do with Chiesa and couldn't value Vlahovic. Why do you think he'd be good for Leao, genuinely asking?
They are not really fantasisti, especially Vlachovic, Chiesa somewhat maybe. I am more thinking Balotelli, Ibra, Cossu ... Allegri doesn't mind to be a bit laissez-faire in attack and leave it to players with the right characteristics to direct the attack.
 

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Fonseca is a big problem but the larger part of the blame goes to the higher ups.
The squad isn't good enough to compete.
A stronger coach would handle the teams outside the top 6 a lot better than we have in the past year though.
Even after the Inter win, I didn't really have the patience to keep going forward with Fonseca. I would've happily sacked him even then. Things cant get better with him. What he wants to do, will never allow you to be competitive in this league. It's been long enough to know he won't even bother trying to improve us defensively.
Until we can defend, we will just be in high scoring games, where more often than not we won't win. Especially away from home.
Apart from wins at home against teams that will probably get relegated, he's dropped points in every other game.
This defies logic, at least in my mind. So, in the derby against Inter.. that was the best Milan has performed against them in a long time, and I’m talking about how they played.. not the final score, do you agree with me on that?

Was that because the team bought in and carried out his tactics as a team? Or was it the players who individually put in a great effort despite the fodder coach’s tactic.

Either way, if it was Fonseca’s tactics that worked or the players who performed at 100%. Why aren’t the team putting up the same performances game after game? Do you think the coach asks less of his players or are the players not as zoned in? Why is the effort only there against Inter?

And yes, the coach is responsible for getting his team up to the task. But when the game starts, it’s on the players to perform what’s been instructed. If they aren’t, they shouldn’t play. If the plan is to sit back and hope for Leao to perform some magic, then Pioli shouldn’t have been let go. But now it’s not, so it’s up to the players to adapt.
 

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Issue is bigger than that, Pep is respected, Fonesca isn't... crystal clear our most important players viewed his hiring as management throwing in the towel and diving into the bargain bin

Don't think anyone in the locker room was super stoked because Fonesca got Lille to 4th last season, and its not like he is a young coach that has shown promising ideas or anything like that, he just is what he is at this point- a fine hire for a team like Lazio or Fiorentina, but an embarrassingly low expectations hire for a team like us
Then said players should’ve asked to be sold? If they’re not invested in the project, everyone loses.
 

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Just get Allegri, Sarri or Xavi
My choices would be Sarri, Xavi, Conceicao, Terzic, Allegri in that order. I feel like Allegri wouldn't change much. Bigger chance he flounders than recreate his Juve success.

Knowing this management they'll go hire Tudor. :lol:
 

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What good is changing fonseca in november? The season is over, nothing to salvaged. Just win the return derby then he can end his reign with dignity. This season is officially marked our return to banter
 

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To play beautiful football and win titles at the same time you need to spend an exorbitant amount of money, which we don't have. So for the rest of the planet, if you wanna have a chance to win trophies you need a more pragmatic approach, even if it's boring. Pep style only works when you can throw around a few hundred million every transfer window. To think this Milan will win anything by playing beautiful football is fantasy.
Define “beautiful football”? Is it lots of dribbling, 1v1’s? Is it short passes & combinations? Is it high paced or slow and meticulous? I would not define Pep’s style as beautiful but I would say it’s dominant and risk adverse and to win like that requires as many have pointed out players that are smart, committed and skilled enough in every position and those are expensive if they aren’t developed internally through the youth sector (La Masia), which obviously isn’t done in 4 months.

They obviously chose Fonseca to lead the change and realistically if Leao won’t adapt he will be sold before all his value. I fail to see which top club (in Europe) who would make that investment in him where he’d have as big of a role as he’s had in Milan up until now.
 

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Fonseca is a big problem but the larger part of the blame goes to the higher ups.
The squad isn't good enough to compete.
A stronger coach would handle the teams outside the top 6 a lot better than we have in the past year though.
Even after the Inter win, I didn't really have the patience to keep going forward with Fonseca. I would've happily sacked him even then. Things cant get better with him. What he wants to do, will never allow you to be competitive in this league. It's been long enough to know he won't even bother trying to improve us defensively.
Until we can defend, we will just be in high scoring games, where more often than not we won't win. Especially away from home.
Apart from wins at home against teams that will probably get relegated, he's dropped points in every other game.
Very well put 👍🏽

He has good ideas and intentions

But he doesn't bring results. It's really that simple 🤷🏽‍♂️
 

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To make the top 4.
We are not making top 4 this season, unless italy get another 5th spot. Anyway our bastard yankees owner need an expensive lesson for their penny pinching approach
 

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Then said players should’ve asked to be sold? If they’re not invested in the project, everyone loses.
Eh, they might want to stay and compete for titles at Milan, instead of aiming for 4th with a donkey as their manager.

When there were many high end coaches out there, and we went for him, how could guys that want to win * not * feel that ownership just doesn't give a shit about winning?

The "project" at the moment is growing Gerry's bank account, not much for players to get invested in
 

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That's not true. Kvara has 5 goals and 2 assists in 10 Serie A mtaches this season, and at TransferMarket is valued at 80 million.
Leao has one goal and 4 assists and valued at 75 which will go down considerably if he keeps sucking.
Watching the two yesterday there's no question that Kvara is the much better player. Spent most of the first half tracking back helping Olivera defending Chuku, ran up and down the wings and scored a goal after having played 3 days before.

I’m referring to Milan only lol
 

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I would lose more derbys this season if it meant winning a couple of titles and consistency, Pioli also just shit the bed against Inter, that game gave us false hope. He has lost every other big game. It was a fluke game it seems.
Pioli shit the bed against Merda and wasn't even in contention to win ANYTHING.
 

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If Tonali returns then who do think can play a trequatrtista?

I think Reijndeers of course but he will have to rotate in pivot when we need a more creative and attacking #10

Diaz would fit the bill. As will Guler. Tadic in his prime would have been good.
Tonali ain't coming back until his contract with Newcastle runs out. which is in....*checks notes*... ah yes, 2028.

Have fun until then.
 

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Frère, nous parlons anglais ici.

Si vous le souhaitez, je peux démarrer un fil de discussion en français dans une autre section.
Salut je sais mais ça traduit automatiquement en Français même quand je mets anglais si vous pouvez m'aider à modifier cela Merci
 

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In preseason, Fonseca made errors during the evaluation of our squad.

Fonseca decided that Adli was our worst midfielder, and we refused to sell Musah to Napoli for 20mil, as the American was untouchable for him. This is a clear mistake, Adli would be our 3rd best midfielder currently, and a quality rotation option behind Fofana and Reijnders.

Fonseca decided to not trust Kalulu. Didn't even give him much chance in preseason. We gifted him to Juve, and now he is one of their most important player. He is a much better player than Emerson, that is for sure.

Management deserve the blame as well. Signing Tammy, who can't score to save his life. Signing Pavlovic... Man, I really thought he can be a tank in defense. He doesn't have the brain for a CB. He is a headless chicken, too proactive. And being too proactive is bad when you play as a defender. You don't have to always look to get involved, to be in a defensive action, sometimes you just need to relax, and sit back. Pavlovic doesn't know how to do that. Also his atrocious first touch, and passing makes Paletta look like prime Nesta...

After the derby win, I was pro Fonseca, wanted to give him more time. Now we have seen him in 12 games, and we are not good enough. Benching Leao against Napoli was a shockingly bad decision, if we factor in that we didn't have Theo, Reijnders, and Pulisic. You start with Musah, RLC, Chuk, Okafor, but you bench Leao? You idiot...

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This is a sack worthy record btw... We have a much better squad compared to the banter era ones, yet we have as bad results.
 

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Love to see a Scotsman doing well, following on from Ferguson last year... I hate that's it's not in a Milan jersey.
At this point, I'd rather Napoli win another Scudetto over any of the other contenders. Can't stand another summer of Ladri or Merda fans celebrating.
 

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Eh, they might want to stay and compete for titles at Milan, instead of aiming for 4th with a donkey as their manager.

When there were many high end coaches out there, and we went for him, how could guys that want to win * not * feel that ownership just doesn't give a shit about winning?

The "project" at the moment is growing Gerry's bank account, not much for players to get invested in
Isn’t hiring a new manager to implement a new brand of football, the project? Fonseca was hired officially on July 1 so every player had 2 months to hand in a transfer request.
 

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In preseason, Fonseca made errors during the evaluation of our squad.

Fonseca decided that Adli was our worst midfielder, and we refused to sell Musah to Napoli for 20mil, as the American was untouchable for him. This is a clear mistake, Adli would be our 3rd best midfielder currently, and a quality rotation option behind Fofana and Reijnders.

Fonseca decided to not trust Kalulu. Didn't even give him much chance in preseason. We gifted him to Juve, and now he is one of their most important player. He is a much better player than Emerson, that is for sure.

Management deserve the blame as well. Signing Tammy, who can't score to save his life. Signing Pavlovic... Man, I really thought he can be a tank in defense. He doesn't have the brain for a CB. He is a headless chicken, too proactive. And being too proactive is bad when you play as a defender. You don't have to always look to get involved, to be in a defensive action, sometimes you just need to relax, and sit back. Pavlovic doesn't know how to do that. Also his atrocious first touch, and passing makes Paletta look like prime Nesta...

After the derby win, I was pro Fonseca, wanted to give him more time. Now we have seen him in 12 games, and we are not good enough. Benching Leao against Napoli was a shockingly bad decision, if we factor in that we didn't have Theo, Reijnders, and Pulisic. You start with Musah, RLC, Chuk, Okafor, but you bench Leao? You idiot...

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This is a sack worthy record btw... We have a much better squad compared to the banter era ones, yet we have as bad results.
I think those decisions to sell players were made above his head. And not as the preseason went along. I think Adli was informed right at the beginning he would be offered around. And I think that had to do with the remaining term on their contracts. Same with Kalulu and Saelemaekers, either renew or sell, and neither were making an impact. So their cycle was up, financially, so to speak.
 
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