The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[acmHR]

He explained why Maignan leaving is not a big issue in a statistical way. I’ve had the hypothesis since past seasons but dont have the evidence to support mine, so he helped us in a way.

If you have an X account, follow this guy. He always shares interesting statstical data and tactical analysis of Milan matches

 

[pippofan]

Of course the money for Mike and Theo would be very nice.... But I like the way mgmt is carrying out these negotiations. last year or not, we won't be lowballed.

And realistically speaking, they're right. It's a world cup year and BOTH players are coming off subpar/bad season + longer....

Do the players want to participate in the WC? If so, they need to play AND start... So, if we decide fuck these lowballs, you stay and help us, both players are obligated to perform. They choose not to, not only do they miss the WC, but they'll be coming off of 2+ seasons of shit performances... Who is buying them then?

It's a calculated move. It's cold. But I have ZERO issue with it. I respect it, in fact.

Don't know if they would freeze Mike as well, probably not, but Theo is getting more than 4.5 million a year which he'll receive whether he sits or play. We'll also have to get a starter to replace him which will add to the cost.

I understand that we want to send a message but I'm more pragmatic and believe it's better to get whatever we can than losing him for free. Yes, it's a WC year but that doesn't guarantee that he'll play much better, he makes the same mistakes over and over, the same stupid dives that cost him yellow cards.

No club in Europe would pay 30 million for a lazy and not very smart player on an expiring contract, most we could get is probably 20.
Theo was revered around here but is not the same player to the point that most fans want him gone. A massive fall from grace.

 

[P.Lorre]

Gazzetta - Fears are growing from Chelsea that Milan will not open to the sale of Maignan at the price they want.

 

[Kmoney]

Sviliar has some insane stats, as does VMS

 

[CROMIL10]

I like Fofana and I think his best days are ahead of him in a Milan shirt. I also believe Jimenez, Pavlovic and Gabbia are worth retaining for future growth and because they put in the work.

Every single remaining defender and midfielder after that can find a new club for my part.

Pavlovic is a tree, not a football player.

 

[P.Lorre]

Don't know if they would freeze Mike as well, probably not, but Theo is getting more than 4.5 million a year which he'll receive whether he sits or play. We'll also have to get a starter to replace him which will add to the cost.

On this point, we'll have to replace him (Theo) next summer anyways, as he'd be leaving for free. Mike too, but let's focus on Theo

Better to replace him NOW, in a season where we're absolutely taking a loss on the books anyways. Get a good player in, return to CL etc for next season, and run a positive balance sheet the following season.

 

[Kmoney]

Maignan 60% save percentage

Sviliar? 94%

VMS? 93%

 

[sheva]

The problem with keeping Theo and Maignan is that we'll lose them for free next season, so the question is: should we accept lower than expected offers for them or let them play out their contracts? Theo is not worth renewing for 7 million, nor Maignan for 5 based on their recent forms, so we sold the only player that has any value with Leao still here.

Potential buyers have seen their decline and make offers they deem appropriate that we believe are too low and we complain about it but I read a week or so ago that our squad has lost 50 million in players' value. They have gotten worse, not better, with a few exceptions. Look at Theo, Maignan, Tomori, from their early days here to now. Even Bennacer, Okafor, and Thiaw are not the same. Someone is at fault for the players getting worse instead of better, maybe the coaches and of course the players themselves for not working hard enough.

On the positive side Deers and Pulisic have been consistent, Gabbia and Salaemakers improved but they did it wearing different jerseys so our record of players growth is pretty pathetic. Add to that the many failed transfers, overpaid bums such as Chuck, Musah, Emerson, Morata, Terracciano, Walker, and our fall is complete.

People say: why don't we sell the fodders? Because other clubs are not fools, don't want them, unless in some kind of loan formula where these people are not redeemed and we're back at square one.

as maignan hadn't shat on the club purposely throughout the season, i would accept a lower fee for him, given his reasoning for the club disrespecting him when it came to extension negotiations (laughable reasoning at best).
he just seems to be a hot and cold GK in general, judging by his france NT appearances.
a 15m euro fee would be fine, especially as we bought him for 18m originally and his maximum valuation with us throughout his time here hasnt been been above 50m.

As for theo, let him eat bench even in coppa matches, and play jimenez instead or a primavera player. the guy has lost motivation for the club and doesn't respect his circumstances and club goodwill enough for a move to saudi, after two seasons of living off the club's belief in his abilities.

Sad sentiment in general as two years ago, when he first started doing his antics and didn't track back on certain games, I backed him and singled him out as the only players who no matter what he does, he's absolved of criticism since he's actually elite. since then his lack of professionalism has really soured his reputation in the eyes of Milan fans, and it's a real shame.

I will say, as a puli lover, he has hardly been consistent. his 2nd half of the season has been lacking severely. even since the penalty fiasco, I would say. is it only because of the hotheaded Portuguese bully we had for a coach? that remains to be seen and I believe so.

Even Bennacer, Okafor, and Thiaw are not the same. Someone is at fault for the players getting worse instead of better, maybe the coaches and of course the players themselves for not working hard enough.

bennacer and thiaw were never >20m euro players, and the theoretical offer of Newcastle of 25m pounds remains theoretical. he's currently wanted by Levekusen and Milan want 20-25m euro, I'll be surprised if the Germans would offer 15<.

as for the fault, players (especially young ones) cannot grow in a club which changes coaches every couple of months, does not have a leader and system at the top, and seeing that mature players who are taking their water break in the middle of pitch and not the coach's area, aren't getting repremeded or scolded.

There is a reason why, when pioli was in charge, maldini participated in training every day, and gazidis ran the show on a macro level, the system was stable enough for players to grow across the board in terms of valuation. I'm not saying every player tripled his value, as we bought/loaned some real duds which will not succeed in top flight football in general, but surely more often than not, players raised their value.

 

[tonyb]

So the last two Italy matches that we sucked in both I payed closed attention to Ricci and Rovella that were mentioned with us and the verdict is not good. Ricci was substituted at half-time, did nothing particularly good, just easy passes that did not advance the ball, nothing special. Saw on TMW that Atalanta is interested in him because he played under Juric at Torino so let them have him, I'm no longer a fan.

Rovella is about the same but both players are not creative nor physical enough like the kind we need, someone like Ederson who's brilliant in all phases of the game and ten times better than the two Italians. The other that I watched is Cambiaso, decent but not worth the money they ask for him.

Most Italans were pleased when Spalletti got the job but he's been a disaster, big disappointment, we move the ball too slowly, miss the easiest passes and were actually out-played by Moldova that only lacked a good finisher but showed a lot of heart.

Hardly bad for Rovella..I'd agree that Ederson is the better midfielder and more physical, but Rovella is a better passer/technician..and surprisingly better defensively.

 

[P.Lorre]

Not sure judging any player for the Italian NT is the right way to go about things...

 

[AndreiX]

Pavlovic is a tree, not a football player.

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Dude plays w heart and has better offensive runs than Morata but he has 0 defensive instincts. Def one of the first guys I'd sell, it's a lot more likely he'll be a liability for the rest of his career than that he'll magically grow a brain

Also Mike should honestly go for anything above 15m. He was more reliable last season health wise but he fell off ability-wise. He's just not worth resigning at the wages he's demanding. Even if we dont improve ability wise, I'd say it'd be a step forward to get a GK that doesnt make u close ur eyes every time he lands or takes a goal kick cause one of his calves might explode

 

[Nestafan]

Barring rube no one rates him

Literally nobody.

Glorified hack. Thinks he was tough lmao. He is basically a con man in a Great team

Like McGregor. Overrated. Irish hack.

Real talent and true great player was scholes.

Cantona, giggsy and the defense with Irvin who was a beast.
They made this fool look better than he is

I didn't know De Rossi was considered a Juve guy?

Holy fuck one of the worst takes I've heard on here.

 

[fray]

Gazzetta - Fears are growing from Chelsea that Milan will not open to the sale of Maignan at the price they want.

We're in a win-win situation, given the circumstances of an overall badly handed situation. Either we squeeze out every single penny from Chelsea or we keep him and solidify our top 4 / Scudetto chances.

Chelsea are desperate to have him for the Club World Cup, which means they'll have to sign him within today. I believe we're asking for 22-23, Chelsea only want to offer 18-19. Force their hand, because it's them who desperately need Maignan for the next month, not us. We can afford to play him next season, get back into the Champions League, and then lose him on a free because the UCL money offsets that "loss".

 

[Alo88]

Damn. Fucking legend.

 

[pippofan]

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Hardly bad for Rovella..I'd agree that Ederson is the better midfielder and more physical, but Rovella is a better passer/technician..and surprisingly better defensively.

Rovella at Lazio is a different player than on the Italian National team. Maybe he's more nervous, more conservative because is afraid of making mistakes since he's only played a few matches for Italy.

 

[Wild]

We won’t get any better player than the current Theo with such little money. He is definitely worth 30 Million even this version of him.

Why are we eager to sell our players for peanuts? It costs a lot to bring in players that can adequately replace them even in their current form

I dont mind if he renew.
But better sell for half price than loosing for free next season.
30mil player on a last year contract is 15mil.
That is why i dont mind 18mil.

 

[pippofan]

Not sure judging any player for the Italian NT is the right way to go about things...

You're probably right, pretty much everyone has been terrible for Italy, looking slow and unmotivated, that if things don't change we'll miss World Cup again.

 

[Alo88]

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Chelsea pretty much freezed Pulisic out and didn't have a locker room big enough to accomodate all of their players. We on the other hand don't want to get rid of Maignan. Not the way we want to get rid of Theo.

Nice try, Chelsea.

 

[killerkid]

Leao posted this on his instagram

 

[sheva]

MN: New contacts between Leverkusen and Thiaw - player and Milan open to negotiate

There have been fresh talks between Bayer Leverkusen and AC Milan over the possible transfer of Malick Thiaw, a report claims.

sempremilan.com

The former Schalke 04 player is in the sights of Bayer Leverkusen, who just lost Jonathan Tah to Bayern Munich on a free transfer, their captain and the leader of the defensive department.
Thiaw is viewed as a possible replacement and in the last few hours there have been new contacts between Leverkusen and Thiaw’s camp. The move would be a welcome one for the German international, while the Rossoneri should accept €20-25m.

 

[SuperPippo]

Gazzetta - Fears are growing from Chelsea that Milan will not open to the sale of Maignan at the price they want.

Maybe they should try offering more money. That's how negotiations work.

 

[tonyb]

Rovella at Lazio is a different player than on the Italian National team. Maybe he's more nervous, more conservative because is afraid of making mistakes since he's only played a few matches for Italy.

Then you look at Adli. He's the best of them all and Fofana's numbers are encouragin too. Fofana is good in all areas, it's not shown here. But apart from forward passes, he's excelling against Ederson.

Ricci's are very strange. So low on most things, especially defensive actions and passes. Can only carry and win duels.

I think Adli and Rovella will compliment eachother well. Both great passers and carriers. But help out defensively.

 

[Hitchens]

Pavlovic is a tree, not a football player.

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Yeah, he has no shortage of critics here. And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the arguments, but the overall description of him I think misses his potential. I think his potential under Allegri is very interesting.

And he gives everything for the shirt!

 

[acmHR]

Just a few thoughts on mercato.

I love both Theo and Mike, in their peak, they've been massive for us. Club made a lot of mistakes; they both should've been renewed some time ago, if nothing, just to avoid having this position to sell under value.

I would love Mike to stay, not because he is irreplaceable as a goalkeeper (as I see it, GK is the easiest position to fill, and without spending too much), but as a leader. I don't have issues with his behavior as he's always been professional. He conceded some ridiculous goals this season, as stats show, but he is a presence in defence, an influential player in the locker room, considered one of the best in the world (gives to the image of the club), etc. Sure, based on his performances lately, he can be easily replaced, but let's not ignore the other parameters as well.

Theo, on the other hand, was one of my favorite players since he came. Fast, attacking threat with powerful runs from the back, always available, etc. But he has a lot of concentration problems and problems with motivation, and he often plays too comfortably and does not worry too much, especially in games where you need to use your brain a bit and not just play to your instincts. In my view, he failed to make the last step to be truly considered world-class and will probably never get there. It's a painful departure from the emotional point of view due to what he did until two seasons, but his latest form suggests that logically it is time to leave. The way they are both leaving, tho, due to the club mishandling the situation and now selling under real value, is on Furlani and co completely.

Funny thing is, I believe Modric will have a great impact as a metronome (term used to describe Pirlo the way he dictated the play in his time), it will give great stability to our game. Shame Reijnders left as well, as I could see him complementing Luka fantastically, but it is what it is. We need leaders whom people respect, now we will get one in the midfield, I would also add one or two in the midfield/defence as well. I would say a CD with experience would mean a lot, along with a b2b player with experience and drive like Rabiot, who can cover a lot of ground on the left, but also knows how to score goals, would work well with Leao.

 

[Dokoa]

Pavlovic is a tree, not a football player.

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He is crap

 

[CROMIL10]

Yeah, he has no shortage of critics here. And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the arguments, but the overall description of him I think misses his potential. I think his potential under Allegri is very interesting.

And he gives everything for the shirt!

He makes mistakes over and over... donno how much can a couch do there... A tree is a tree... I guess he's staying so we'll see. But there are much better options out there.. and much better risk/reward buys...

 

[Il grande Milan]

Gazzetta - Fears are growing from Chelsea that Milan will not open to the sale of Maignan at the price they want.

Mike is an amazing GK and Chelsea has enough money... So cough up bitch!

 

[Wild]

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Hardly bad for Rovella..I'd agree that Ederson is the better midfielder and more physical, but Rovella is a better passer/technician..and surprisingly better defensively.

Stats never tell the true value of a player.

 

[Pigeon]

„we need adidas back“

meanwhile adidas:

 

[tonyb]

Stats never tell the true value of a player.

They say enough. Adli is good enough. Hands down. And people are so keen to throw him aside. At worst, he's a very good option off the bench. And it was one of our biggest mistakes last season, letting him go out on loan.
I am convinced Rovella is good enough too.
Obviously, the team they play for, the instructions given to them play a part too. I'm not saying either player is better than Ederson but the stats are encouraging.