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Which star player wants out? I can't name a single one.

And please spare me... Mike and Theo are NOT stars. They were 2-3yrs ago.
Thats why I wrote ‘star’ players. But like it or not these are the biggest names in the squad and they should be the ones who level up this team.
Reijnders already gone. He wanted to join Guardiola at City, which is understandable.
 

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This is the way, but it depends entirely on their commitment out on the pitch. If they play like they care then I'll support them even if they don't renew, since it means that we will most likely end the season with trophies.
Theo, MM & Leao are three players who made me remember when we had exciting players back in the day & i will always be grateful.
One bad season wont change that.
 

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People shitting on Perri now? Because they will miss out on an overrated Serie A keeper?
He seems good to me. Tall but not Kalac tall, doesn't seem to let in a lot of goals, Brazilian, face is 100% DA MILAN
With him on goal on his first season as starting keeper Lyon conceded 46 goals which is less than 2nd place Marseille who conceded 47 goals
 

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I don't mind Theo and Chuck so far, but Origi isn't even trying, I think one can objectively fault him for that, which never was the case with Chuck.

MM has pushed for the transfer, so of course that gets him in the bad books, I don't hate any of them but I certainly dislike him now.
We should thank him if he is pushing to be sold now over walking for free next season.
We are not offering him an extention so the above are the only two option so him wanting one over the other is normal.
We can ask for more but we risk pushing away the buying team.
 

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Most fans when a team sinks like this, they need someone to blame
not the game plan or formation or management but just a person to hate, to direct their negative feelings towards
Mike is a great goal keeper, statistics showed that he was tested as much as teams like Bratislava and Sparta Braga and Shakhtar
a goal keeper can shine but when he gets tested too many times, he is going to start making stupid mistakes
it is weird that when they made him the captain, there were those who spoke about how strong he is and how he is such a great leader
and now they trying to get rid of him, there are those talking about he is not a leader and he is weak
he made a mistake against Feyenoord yes, but against Girona he saved the game and if it wasn't for him then Milan wouldn't qualify
same for the Club Brugges game as well.
 

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Is that it? I can find nocerino clips where he looks better too
Wasted energy. More fool me. To say Roy Keane is talentless shouldn't have been dignified with a response.
 

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Negative. No club has had the roster contruction and spending of Milan, to come up so short, so consistently domestically.

We have fewer titles than Inter and significantly less than Juventus. That just should not be the case with the teams we've had throughout the years.
Your initial remark was not only about domestic titles but even then, the statement is not true.

There are many clubs who have spent much more than Milan has and fell short, both continentally and domestically.

Also, Milan is not known to be big spenders, never were. In Italy, teams like Inter are known to spend more. Our transfer record is in the 40m's for Bonucci, whereas Inter broke the transfer record for Vieri and Ronaldo and always had big names. Juve also spend crazy amounts, especially in recent years but have been more disappointing than we have ever been when we have spent money.

Chelsea, Barca.. etc. The list is very long. In fact if there was any correlation between spending and winning then most teams don't win nearly as enough. If your comment is a out star studded squads, rather than big spending then I can say that the last time we had such a squad was under Ancelotti and we have done as well as any other team who had star studded squads in their era of dominance. Even then, we were not the only power around, not domestically nor continentally.

Every club had long periods of under achievements, including Real Madrid and their Galactico era.
 

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Some of you guys are so dramatic.
Why would you hate Theo & MM?
Ok Theo & MM dropped the ball last season but who wouldnt with a shit coach?
I dont even hate Chuk or Origi.
I blame the management for choosing them for sure but not the players.
I prefer that we sell both Theo & MM.
But if they stayed am gonna cheer for them.
Well I hate Theo and Leao because of their diva antics this season and how they disrespected the authority of the coach
Maignan I don't hate but I'm sick of his hot and cold performances and his ridiculous injuries
Goalkeeper position should be stable
 

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Also why hate Origi?!
Hate idiots who are paid millions yet failed to do their job.
The signs were there & majority of this forum expected him to be a bum.
I mean we watch few highlights & maybe some games & we give our opinion.
But our staff are paid millions & should have access to many details that us peasants cant aquire & its part of their job.
His lifestyle, personality, attitude etc
If you wanna hate then hate whoever signed him.
 
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Lol @Soldier_of_god hates Roy Keane for some reason
I don't care about him, although he should wash his tongue with soap for impying Ancelotti's Milan were doping and should look at his Man Utd team and Fergie Time
Maybe he should criticize Slippy G for diving for that pen in 2005 final instead
 

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I dont disagree.
Stats tell you many things but not everything & thats my point.
Adli isnt better than Ederson despite having better stats.
Yep, I use the eye test over stats, including hustle, speed, stamina, and football IQ that Ederson has plenty of.
Liverpool, Man U and City have all made bids for the player, Atalanta first asked for 60 and now upped the price to 75 to initiate a bidding war. TransferMarket values him at 50, probably before the fantastic season he just had.

Adli, Ricci, Rovella, are not even in the same hemisphere as Ederson who made Serie A top 11 and is still only 25 even though looks like he's been playing forever.
 

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Bro ..let it go. Like you said..they need someone to blame.
Lately is was Pioli with no tactics..but still delivered an comfortable 2nd place.
Then with him gone...for some reason people started going for the players (while having 2 really bad coaches in Fonseca and Conceicao) which for me was strange because the same players got us 2nd a year before (with a even worse squad dept if we quote some of Zlatan`s interviews).
So what were people doing? Going for the players that literally got us 2 trophies those past 3 years..and consecutive CL qualifications. Smart moves.
Not saying we should keep them with force here if they dont wat to be here..but also i cant understand how people will prefer getting 15M for (im not gonna say the best cause he is not anymore) but i will say for a TOP 3 LB in the world (fu*t it make TOP 5 but still 15M?) thats what Salzburg got for Okafor wtf.

Yes he or they are in their last year contract..if they want to be at the WC they have no options but to start and play..and if they reach their best form this could be a win-win.
They might win us another Scudetto and CL qualification..and might even make them realise we could be serious by having a "big name" coach now..and renew their contracts..if not so be it. Leave for free..but at least they did their part and got us a trophy and CL quliafication money. Yes we could end up not winning Scudetto or getting back to CL..but id prefer risking it this way than being literally taking a piss 15M for Theo and another 15 for MM...imagine spending 30M for those 2 kind of players..not even Fifa Career Mode could do this
Most fans when a team sinks like this, they need someone to blame
not the game plan or formation or management but just a person to hate, to direct their negative feelings towards
Mike is a great goal keeper, statistics showed that he was tested as much as teams like Bratislava and Sparta Braga and Shakhtar
a goal keeper can shine but when he gets tested too many times, he is going to start making stupid mistakes
it is weird that when they made him the captain, there were those who spoke about how strong he is and how he is such a great leader
and now they trying to get rid of him, there are those talking about he is not a leader and he is weak
he made a mistake against Feyenoord yes, but against Girona he saved the game and if it wasn't for him then Milan wouldn't qualify
same for the Club Brugges game as well.
 

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Some of you guys are so dramatic.
Why would you hate Theo & MM?
Ok Theo & MM dropped the ball last season but who wouldnt with a shit coach?
I dont even hate Chuk or Origi.
I blame the management for choosing them for sure but not the players.
I prefer that we sell both Theo & MM.
But if they stayed am gonna cheer for them.
But cuss the fuck out of them and management when they mess up :o
 

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Can't wait to see Musah becoming a real player under Conte. Please do it.
Can't pass, can't tackle, can't score, not a threat aerialy.
Good stamina, good speed, can drive with the ball.

Without anything other than athletic qualities, what do people keep thinking is hidden and a secret with this guy?
 

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Can't wait to see Musah becoming a real player under Conte. Please do it.
Conte will turn him into Maicon and DeepFried will be stunting on all of us :head:

Didnt go well with Okafor though so 50/50
 
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Just realised who am i talking to ..by the username. (when i say who am i talking to i was reffering to the "most re****ed narcisistic person on this forum that thinks he knows better than everyone").
Here is a random assist compilation...so many deflected..wow



Keep seething
 

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Theo and Mike will likely walk for free, but it's a WC year so they might get us UCL football back and perform to a high standard.
That's what we hope for, but what if they actually suck since they haven't improved on their weaknesses for years?
Mike is very good at reaction saves but the near post shots have been a problem for quite a while.

Same with Theo that often loses his marker and is out of position, maybe can track back a little faster but looks like has lost some of his speed. He also hasn't been good for France and I'm pretty sure still have motivation for that jersey.
 

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Bro ..let it go. Like you said..they need someone to blame.
Lately is was Pioli with no tactics..but still delivered an comfortable 2nd place.
Then with him gone...for some reason people started going for the players (while having 2 really bad coaches in Fonseca and Conceicao) which for me was strange because the same players got us 2nd a year before (with a even worse squad dept if we quote some of Zlatan`s interviews).
So what were people doing? Going for the players that literally got us 2 trophies those past 3 years..and consecutive CL qualifications. Smart moves.
Not saying we should keep them with force here if they dont wat to be here..but also i cant understand how people will prefer getting 15M for (im not gonna say the best cause he is not anymore) but i will say for a TOP 3 LB in the world (fu*t it make TOP 5 but still 15M?) thats what Salzburg got for Okafor wtf.

Yes he or they are in their last year contract..if they want to be at the WC they have no options but to start and play..and if they reach their best form this could be a win-win.
They might win us another Scudetto and CL qualification..and might even make them realise we could be serious by having a "big name" coach now..and renew their contracts..if not so be it. Leave for free..but at least they did their part and got us a trophy and CL quliafication money. Yes we could end up not winning Scudetto or getting back to CL..but id prefer risking it this way than being literally taking a piss 15M for Theo and another 15 for MM...imagine spending 30M for those 2 kind of players..not even Fifa Career Mode could do this
I agree, any team would only buy the last season in the player contract
it is better to use the player than to sell him for a small fee that can't get you a similar player
I don't mind losing a player for free but before that, get all you can get out of him
You wouldn't have won a scudetto if you decided to sell Kessie and Romangoli for a small fee
however Theo's agent in last October talked about rumors of asking for a higher wage and said there wasn't any offers or talks with the management at all
seems to me the management for some reason are pushing some players out.
 

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It's the 10th of June. People need to stop overrreating.
True but Chelsea wanted to play in the Club World Cup, once that's over they might no longer be interested in Mike.
 

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Also why hate Origi?!
Who idiots who are paid millions yet failed to do their job.
The signs were there & majority of this forum expected him to be a bum.
I mean we watch few highlights & maybe some game & we give our opinion.
But our staff are paid millions & should have access to many details that us peasants cant aquire & its part of their job.
His lifestyle, personality, attitude etc
If you wanna hate then hate whoever signed him.
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it is possible Redbird thinks about the Mike transfer with more than just his player performance

world wide market value for starting GK of france could be part of the way they think

who knows

i do believe Redbird think about total market value of decisions more than fans wanting to win
Yes, but potential buyers are not impressed by that if they watch videos of Mike's many fuck ups that puts him not even top ten in the league. It's fine to go with big names but these bigs have to produce, look at Felix, Walker, and Morata, huge failures all of them.
 

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That's what we hope for, but what if they actually suck since they haven't improved on their weaknesses for years?
Mike is very good at reaction saves but the near post shots have been a problem for quite a while.

Same with Theo that often loses his marker and is out of position, maybe can track back a little faster but looks like has lost some of his speed. He also hasn't been good for France and I'm pretty sure still have motivation for that jersey.
Yeah, and people can be as self-deprecating as they want here, but at the end of the day, an opportunity with us is still something an up-and-coming player would value, just look at Reijnders.

If a player had a season like Kessie’s and is now playing these games, fair enough. They earned that leverage. But Theo and Maignan have directly cost us this season. Playing them just to maybe salvage their value, on the off chance they'd choose to renew, isn’t something a serious club would do. We need to be planning around their exits and at best they can serve as backups if injuries get crazy.

Yes, it’ll cost more. Yes, it’s riskier because we’d be bringing in more new players, hoping they hit the ground running. And no, we still don’t have a real system to guarantee higher success in incorporating new signings and it's really about who steps up. But this is what happens when you make the wrong bets on the wrong core.
 

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Can't pass, can't tackle, can't score, not a threat aerialy.
Good stamina, good speed, can drive with the ball.

Without anything other than athletic qualities, what do people keep thinking is hidden and a secret with this guy?
I don't really agree with the passing, he is a solid passer and his technique is quite good
The main problem with him is his low football intelligence which prevents him from reaching greatness
 

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Thats why I wrote ‘star’ players. But like it or not these are the biggest names in the squad and they should be the ones who level up this team.
Reijnders already gone. He wanted to join Guardiola at City, which is understandable.
Reijnders signed his extension when we were in 9th place.
He wanted to stay here. City probably expessed interest in him for a while now.
If he wanted to leave he wouldn't have signed the contract extension.
Management forced him out.

For the record I think management did the right thing in selling him because he's not good enough to be starting midfielder for us.
Man City can afford to drop 70m for what could simply just be a rotational player for Guardiola toy and experiment with but we need a midfielder who can start and Reijnders is lacking in many areas such as passing, defense and he has a tendency to disappear from matches.
 

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Why fucking Carletto never express a single interest in coaching ITALY, OK he wanted a better Selection Brazil isn't more attractive, nowadays they don't live up to the expectations
Because even the best coaches take a look at the talent pool they have to work with and determine that Italy's is ass.
In order to succeed at any level, the quality of your players determines your success. As an NT coach, you have less time to develop those players and depend on the club team they are with to do that for it.
Carlo just needs to see how ass Serie A is at developing the talent needed, and went and picked a Brazil NT that is not great, but has a lot less problems developing their talents.
It's SIMPLE. :taphead:
 

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