The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[Ryo]

So Inter rejected a low-ball offer but we accepted and this does what to your point?

Tonali was valued at more than what you said, Newcastle paid that, and we should have gotten more.

Plus, we only got 58m euros for Tonali, not the 70m+10m that you said, that is incorrect, that is what Gerry said, but he was wrong.

Was Gravenberch worth 40m?

The 58M for Tonali was due to him not having reached his bonuses (I would assume that was because he was not playing for 8 months). No idea if we will receive said bonuses this season instead if they were tied to UCL qualification (which they did) and EPL placements/Tonali appearances, but it's highly possible we get more for him than just the 58M we saw on the books so far.

And who's fault would it be that Sandro got himself suspended for bad habits?

As for Gravenberch's worth. I never watched him, so I'm not going to speculate. If he was as bad as you said he was, then he wouldn't have gone for more than 20-30M. But big clubs carry a premium, and he came over from Bayern where he just won a League and Cup double. It is what it is.

And I stick by my point, he wasn't worth more than 50M in the summer of 2023. Sandro's only worth 60M now because they know he can do well in the EPL.

 

[Balo45]

Milan absolutely sells player generally low, I can’t believe that’s even being debated. There are far smaller clubs than Milan that ask for crazy high prices and refuse to budge on them. And I’m not talking English or Portuguese clubs either, look at Frankfurt demanding a crazy fee for Ekitike. The whole “player has an agreement with club X” is so overblown too, most players don’t want to sit on a bench for a year and if there’s any time on their deal, you can definitely hold that over them.

I think it has to do with we are bad at selling our deadweight players, so they sell anyone they can for a big sum to have at least some cash flow. Also Milan hasn’t usually been a club like Juve that’s ruthless with players, if an opportunity comes we generally try to let them take it. You can argue individual transfers all day but in a general sense it’s very obviously true Milan doesn’t really hold out for absolute max selling value.

 

[Samaldinho]

The 58M for Tonali was due to him not having reached his bonuses (I would assume that was because he was not playing for 8 months). No idea if we will receive said bonuses this season instead if they were tied to UCL qualification (which they did) and EPL placements/Tonali appearances, but it's highly possible we get more for him than just the 58M we saw on the books so far.

And who's fault would it be that Sandro got himself suspended for bad habits?

As for Gravenberch's worth. I never watched him, so I'm not going to speculate. If he was as bad as you said he was, then he wouldn't have gone for more than 20-30M. But big clubs carry a premium, and he came over from Bayern where he just won a League and Cup double. It is what it is.

Great, so then we can agree that players can be sold substantially over their value.

Well, if the whole reason we sold Tonali was because we knew about the gambling, as many here have argued, that means us putting in bonuses to raise the price shows that we were bad at selling, if not downright stupid.

If we did not know, a position I tend to agree with, we could have shopped him around and seen if we got a higher fee. There was no CWC or some excuse to sell him quickly like is being tossed around for Tiji. We sold him quickly without even seeing if someone besides Newcastle would pay higher than that fee they offered. No other clubs even knew he was on the market.

Milan, like Bayern, are a big club. Gravenberch was a bit-part player for them, while Tonali was an important player, being hyped due to our CL semi-final run. Gravenberch was on the bench and yet they got over double what they paid for him, for a player they didn't even want to keep.

Bayern shopped Gravenberch around because demand for players like him was at an all-time high, though, and we sold Tonali at the first chance we got.

 

[leaf]

More talented, maybe. I could even agree to that

But look at the matches played and how he played. Then look at the other two players who are less talented, given less time and I argue they played far better.

Also Morata was fine running for the hills and is a colossal choker practically his entire career. Why return to that in a season where we are trying to turn the page?

We are only in domestic competitions so why waste space and money on such a poor player? Even if we can't get Vlahovic (who I don't like but would accept) I would prefer a new player over a failed one.

I agree 100%

I just feel sad to know that there's a really good player in there and we already have him 🫥

 

[Ryo]

Milan absolutely sells player generally low, I can’t believe that’s even being debated. There are far smaller clubs than Milan that ask for crazy high prices and refuse to budge on them. And I’m not talking English or Portuguese clubs either, look at Frankfurt demanding a crazy fee for Ekitike. The whole “player has an agreement with club X” is so overblown too, most players don’t want to sit on a bench for a year and if there’s any time on their deal, you can definitely hold that over them.

I think it has to do with we are bad at selling our deadweight players, so they sell anyone they can for a big sum to have at least some cash flow. Also Milan hasn’t usually been a club like Juve that’s ruthless with players, if an opportunity comes we generally try to let them take it. You can argue individual transfers all day but in a general sense it’s very obviously true Milan doesn’t really hold out for absolute max selling value.

Difference is Etikite has just had a 22 goal and 12 assist season. He's an attacker who earns points. Not to mention he's only 22 and hasn't even hit his peak yet. 3 of the top 6 EPL teams want him.

You can't compare him to Sandro.

 

[Dulcepenetrante]

Yes and because of his decision we lost out on an additional 29M Euros of Transfer fees. More than a quarter of 100 Million Euros.

And yet Galliani was still employed after that.

you believe Milan should have forced a balon d or winner and hero of our 7th CL to a club he did not desire?

 

[Ryo]

Great, so then we can agree that players can be sold substantially over their value.

Well, if the whole reason we sold Tonali was because we knew about the gambling, as many here have argued, that means us putting in bonuses to raise the price shows that we were bad at selling, if not downright stupid.

If we did not know, a position I tend to agree with, we could have shopped him around and seen if we got a higher fee. There was no CWC or some excuse to sell him quickly like is being tossed around for Tiji. We sold him quickly without even seeing if someone besides Newcastle would pay higher than that fee they offered. No other clubs even knew he was on the market.

Milan, like Bayern, are a big club. Gravenberch was a bit-part player for them, while Tonali was an important player, being hyped due to our CL semi-final run. Gravenberch was on the bench and yet they got over double what they paid for him, for a player they didn't even want to keep.

Bayern shopped Gravenberch around because demand for players like him was at an all-time high, though, and we sold Tonali at the first chance we got.

Yes and how much did we earn over what we paid for Sandro?
We bought him for 14.28M Euros.

Gravenberch, bit part player or not, played his part in his team getting a League and Cup double.

Sandro by the same metric played his part to get his team to 5th place in the league and a UCL semi-final.

Things like this matter to the buying party as well I guess.

 

[Ryo]

you believe Milan should have forced a balon d or winner and hero of our 7th CL to a club he did not desire?

No, I'm saying Gentleman's agreements for Milan are normally honored, which is what we believe Tiji's was, and hence the lower transfer fee than what we wanted.

 

[Master Smurf]

I agree 100%

I just feel sad to know that there's a really good player in there and we already have him 🫥

Dont feel too bad. This is one player nobody can blame Milan for - he has played for so many major clubs and its been mostly underwhelming. Clubs kept taking chances.

IMHO - we took ours and its better to move on

 

[Samaldinho]

Yes and how much did we earn over what we paid for Sandro?
We bought him for 14.28M Euros.

We paid for his loan fee, but that's neither here nor there.

Tonali wasn't a bench player, Gravenberch was. Bayern shopped him around, got a better price for him.

We sold Tonali and Reijnders without auctions, without driving up the price, and it means less money for our club.

 

[Ryo]

We paid for his loan fee, but that's neither here nor there.

Tonali wasn't a bench player, Gravenberch was. Bayern shopped him around, got a better price for him.

We sold Tonali and Reijnders without auctions, without driving up the price, and it means less money for our club.

I'm reading back on the articles. Bayern didn't shop him around. The interest that Ryan had from Madrid, United and Tottenham was in the summer prior to him joining Bayern, the year he was at Ajax.

The summer that he joined Liverpool, there was no such interest (likely because as you said, he had a down year). Liverpool came in at the end of the mercato when nobody else was buying and paid what they considered peanuts for him (€40M on a 5 year contract). Considering his contract at Bayern (5 year until 2027), €40M IS a cut-price fee. He was 21 years old and just won the German League and Cup double.

 

[Omer]

No, I'm saying Gentleman's agreements for Milan are normally honored, which is what we believe Tiji's was, and hence the lower transfer fee than what we wanted.

Where does this "Gentleman's agreement" crap come from? No one with any inside knowledge is saying about it. So please, forum people stop this BS or show some evidence about it!

If a player wants a possible out, he inserts a release clause in his contract. Reindeer inserted no release clause at all. He was happy to renew and stay at Milan.

I'm not saying that Milan forced him out. You don't have to force out a player that is going to get a much bigger salary and compete for CL. At the same time that doesn't also mean that the player is going to be super unhappy to stay and be a whiny bitch if the club wants him to stay.

 

[Samaldinho]

I'm reading back on the articles. Bayern didn't shop him around. The interest that Ryan had from Madrid, United and Tottenham was in the summer prior to him joining Bayern, the year he was at Ajax.

The summer that he joined Liverpool, there was no such interest (likely because as you said, he had a down year). Liverpool came in at the end of the mercato when nobody else was buying and paid what they considered peanuts for him (€40M on a 5 year contract). Considering his contract at Bayern (5 year until 2027), €40M IS a cut-price fee. He was 21 years old and just won the German League and Cup double.

We were linked to Gravenberch, and when we found out they wanted 40m, we balked at the price.

Bayern always have a German league and cup double, and he was on the bench, so what are we even talking about?

They waited to sell him. We sold Tonali fast.

Tonali had plenty of interest from all over the world, he's been a hyped player for a long time. Newcastle fans thought they got a deal for him then, go look it up.

 

[LemonCookies]

I'm just glad we can both buy decent players and sometimes sell them at decent prices. Banter Era players it felt like if they didn't do well with us, they'd just sit on our books and literally fucking retire soon after. Our inability to bring in good professional football players was a meme for so long. I agree with some of the above sentiments that it's just going to take time for us to be ruthless. Maldini-stans are wont to admit it, but he only continued this sweet hearted SD mentality of appeasing players and being their friends, like G before him. It was a joke, and we left mounds of money on the table. If we sell Reijnders for a little less, fine, but we didn't get fleeced.

 

[Ryo]

We were linked to Gravenberch, and when we found out they wanted 40m, we balked at the price.

Bayern always have a German league and cup double, and he was on the bench, so what are we even talking about?

They waited to sell him. We sold Tonali fast.

Tonali had plenty of interest from all over the world, he's been a hyped player for a long time. Newcastle fans thought they got a deal for him then, go look it up.

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Interest in him mainly stems from during this season with Newcastle.

Don't see much interest in the Summer he was sold to Newcastle (likely because nobody was expecting us to sell him).

 

[Balo45]

Difference is Etikite has just had a 22 goal and 12 assist season. He's an attacker who earns points. Not to mention he's only 22 and hasn't even hit his peak yet. 3 of the top 6 EPL teams want him.

You can't compare him to Sandro.

Who compared his price to Sandro? The point was about Milan vs other clubs being stingy and holding out for max value. That guy is not a 100 mil player even with being a striker, and also they are a much smaller club than Milan. We just don’t do that kinda stuff here. I was comparing strategies, not individual players pricing.

 

[Balo45]

I'm just glad we can both buy decent players and sometimes sell them at decent prices. Banter Era players it felt like if they didn't do well with us, they'd just sit on our books and literally fucking retire soon after. Our inability to bring in good professional football players was a meme for so long. I agree with some of the above sentiments that it's just going to take time for us to be ruthless. Maldini-stans are wont to admit it, but he only continued this sweet hearted SD mentality of appeasing players and being their friends, like G before him. It was a joke, and we left mounds of money on the table. If we sell Reijnders for a little less, fine, but we didn't get fleeced.

When we get better at selling our unwanted players, we will be able to hold out and squeeze every penny from clubs that want to buy our starters.

 

[OVUNQUE CON TE]

Please help us believe again Max, dai!

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Yeah yeah, Leonardo was also mad because B didn't support him with enough players and sacked him
He shouldn't have joined Inter, just disgusting man
This is why I hate it when players say they are Milan fans, and why I never get invested in their words
Also he wasted so much of his career in that shit club Roma

True. But we should have signed him earlier regardless.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

We were linked to Gravenberch, and when we found out they wanted 40m, we balked at the price.

Bayern always have a German league and cup double, and he was on the bench, so what are we even talking about?

They waited to sell him. We sold Tonali fast.

Tonali had plenty of interest from all over the world, he's been a hyped player for a long time. Newcastle fans thought they got a deal for him then, go look it up.

Cause we have bitches in management. We cave in to players demands

We let them dictate terms and we have never been ruthless with players sales or even under performance.

When you have incompetent pricks who only got roles through nepo quota this is what happens

Sandro should be 80 mil plus if fucktards like rice and fucking grealish sold for over 100 even accounting for epl premium and bs

 

[Soldier_of_god]

I'm just glad we can both buy decent players and sometimes sell them at decent prices. Banter Era players it felt like if they didn't do well with us, they'd just sit on our books and literally fucking retire soon after. Our inability to bring in good professional football players was a meme for so long. I agree with some of the above sentiments that it's just going to take time for us to be ruthless. Maldini-stans are wont to admit it, but he only continued this sweet hearted SD mentality of appeasing players and being their friends, like G before him. It was a joke, and we left mounds of money on the table. If we sell Reijnders for a little less, fine, but we didn't get fleeced.

Maldini shouldn’t be in management overseeing player deals ever

Head of anything else but that

Head of sports science
Go there or marketing lel

Use his looks

 

[pippofan]

So, a surprising thing happened today on my visit to a lab to extract blood in view of an upcoming colonoscopy that will be performed on me on July 3rd, (after undergo this unpleasant procedure every two years by doctor's orders).

The nurse taking the shot, a pretty girl late 20s/early 30s, tall, slim and dark hair spoke with an accent and I asked her where's she's from originally. The answer Albania, from where she emigrated here only two years go, and I took the opportunity to mention Igli Tare, if she knows who he is and she responded with an enthusistic "yes, I know of and love Igli".

I informed her that I'm an AC Milan fan and that Igli has assumed an important position of leadership on my club, doing a good job. She said that as much as she admires her countryman she's a Real Madrid fan, so I felt obliged to informer her that my team has won the second most number of CLs, behind only Real.

I've lived in Florida since 2002 and this is first time I found someone to talk about Milan with and that made the whole blood letting experience a very pleasant one.

 

[Congo Powers]

So, a surprising thing happened today on my visit to a lab to extract blood in view of an upcoming colonoscopy that will be performed on me on July 3rd, (after undergo this unpleasant procedure every two years by doctor's orders).

The nurse taking the shot, a pretty girl late 20s/early 30s, tall, slim and dark hair spoke with an accent and I asked her where's she's from originally and her answer was Albania, emigrated here only two years ago. I asked her if she'd ever heard of Igli Tare and she responded with an enthusistic "yes, I love Igli".

I informed her that I'm an AC Milan fan and that Igli has assumed an important position of leadership on my club, doing a good job. She said that as much as she admires her countryman she's a Real Madrid fan, so I felt obliged to informer her that my team has won the second most number of CLs, behind only Real.

I've lived in Florida since 2002 and this is first time I found someone to talk about Milan with and that made the whole blood letting experience a very pleasant one.

 

[SecondStar]

So, a surprising thing happened today on my visit to a lab to extract blood in view of an upcoming colonoscopy that will be performed on me on July 3rd, (after undergo this unpleasant procedure every two years by doctor's orders).

The nurse taking the shot, a pretty girl late 20s/early 30s, tall, slim and dark hair spoke with an accent and I asked her where's she's from originally. The answer Albania, from where she emigrated here only two years go, and I took the opportunity to mention Igli Tare, if she knows who he is and she responded with an enthusistic "yes, I know of and love Igli".

I informed her that I'm an AC Milan fan and that Igli has assumed an important position of leadership on my club, doing a good job. She said that as much as she admires her countryman she's a Real Madrid fan, so I felt obliged to informer her that my team has won the second most number of CLs, behind only Real.

I've lived in Florida since 2002 and this is first time I found someone to talk about Milan with and that made the whole blood letting experience a very pleasant one.

Hope the operation goes well old man.

 

[asoundwave]

 

[Massaro94]

Why do you think sensible Milan fans all want Leao and Theo nailed to a cross, my guy?

.

 

[Massaro94]

Deer himself said City contacted his father.
Milan never said they wanted to sell him.
Those are the only proven facts.
Anything you say is speculation & you on me stating the only proven facts in the matter is

For years people have criticised our club for not cashing in on players. When we finally do make some good profit they're still not happy

I wish deer well. And hopefully we reinvest the money just like we did with fee we received for the gambler

 

[punisher]

Everything is so slow in this circus. What a joke of a club we are.

Look at Liverpool. Mamadarsvili kerkez frimpong wirtz already signed

 

[BaniCPT]

Morata is a twat and should be sold to TP Mazembe or something as soon as possible.

Bring him to Kaizer Chiefs in South Africa

 

[MW6]

When we get better at selling our unwanted players, we will be able to hold out and squeeze every penny from clubs that want to buy our starters.

Which club is good at selling their unwanted players? (Besides Chelsea’s with their shady Saudi-connection)