Clarence Seedorf Thread

[yagami7gnr]

Did anybody here ever wonder why Allegri prefers Prince as a trequartista instead of Seedorf?

What I wonder is how Seedorf can even be our 2nd/3rd choice trequartista? Even Urby is superior to him in that role. Allegri should've given up that idea completely after his first month.

Let's not go overboard either. There is a big drop between prince and urby. I would rate technically Seedorf is better but tactically I would give Urby the spot.

 

[Dominate]

IMO Seedorf is, in terms of technique, our best player

Him and Ibra are pretty close

 

[MilanMB]

He needs to play every other game at best and in important matches. Makes no sense to send him out in Plzen, wtf

More than Seedorf I'd blame Allegri for sending him for play in a meaningless game.

I rather see him play in games like this than in important ones.

 

[Madridista]

He usually plays well in important games, he is more motivated, plays with more concentration and workrate. When he sets his mind into it, with the technical quality and experience he has, he is still a good player. That is if he's fresh enough and not tired from playing every game. The guy is old, he needs to sit on the bench more often.

 

[MilanMB]

He usually plays well in important games, he is more motivated, plays with more concentration and workrate. When he sets his mind into it, with the technical quality and experience he has, he is still a good player. That is if he's fresh enough and not tired from playing every game. The guy is old, he needs to sit on the bench more often.

Myths.

 

[Sage]

Myths.

he was awesome against inter last season, and played really well against them in the super cup.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Myths.

"Seedorf had a great game. Unfortunately he's 35 years old and can't play constantly. Maybe we should clone him," Allegri said



11 seedorfs OMG. So dignified

he was awesome against inter last season, and played really well against them in the super cup.

The whole dilemna focus' on 1 problem. We have 2 creative mids, aquilani and seedorf. If 1 doesn't play other has to.

Basically, another technical CM would be nice.

 

[Fiero]

Myths.

3-2 derby.

3-4 derby that we lost. He was superb.

Bayern at Allianz 2007.

United at San Siro 2007.

Real at Bernabeu 3-2.

Last year's 3-0 derby.

China derby.

Spurs at the Lane last season.

United 2-3 at home.

And that's just off the top of my head.

 

[MilanMB]

And that's just off the top of my head.

That's about everything. In 10 years.

 

[Goodfella]

He's consistent in the LCM role.

 

[MilanMB]

He's consistent in the LCM role.

Consistently average?

 

[nuttela]

Seedorf needs to understand that there is no such thing as a meaningless game.


seriously, we know he can play big games and literally own everyone, but who is gonna give him those chances when players like nocerino (fantasises) perform week in week out


if speedorf can take all games liike the cl knock outs (2nd LEGS!) then we could have hope of achieving a lot. but right now... no thanks.


he can play against bologna... if noce is injured. id cry if he cant make it, but stilll seedorf needs to take all the games he gets seriously. he isnt 25 anymore and game time will be limited, so i hope he makes us miss him by performing well in the games he gets

 

[Goodfella]

Consistently average?

Consistently great at maintaining possession, being slow and immobile, knowing when to move up and making pretty good decisions, but not so good for a ultra-experienced senatore, which in all makes him good/great depending on how much his teammates can run for him.

Good/great CM
Horrendously bad AM.

 

[Jivara]

I never understand this Seedorf bashing, people here sometimes try too hard to find faults in players... Seedorf is a one off player, I would go as far as saying I would choose him for my all time XI (as bench player) because ive never seen a player that can balance the offensive and defensive duties the way he does. Even at his age, you would have people like Rooney single him out as the most threatening Milan player because not only is he one of the most experienced players in the entire world, he is one of the most technically gifted and a real all rounder with a great football brain, this is the kind of stuff that is priceless to a club. You do not put the age issue into the equation when you talk about such a player, especially when that player does not feel superior to the others at any level and I recall Cesare Maldini saying that Seedorf's secret is that he truely believes he is the best player in the world and he has proven that all over, never did I regard him as inferior to the likes of Sheva, Kaka, Rivaldo, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, he always seemed on par and complimentary to their games, you must all respect that and stop trying to find flaws.

 

[Fiero]

I never understand this Seedorf bashing, people here sometimes try too hard to find faults in players... Seedorf is a one off player, I would go as far as saying I would choose him for my all time XI (as bench player) because ive never seen a player that can balance the offensive and defensive duties the way he does. Even at his age, you would have people like Rooney single him out as the most threatening Milan player because not only is he one of the most experienced players in the entire world, he is one of the most technically gifted and a real all rounder with a great football brain, this is the kind of stuff that is priceless to a club. You do not put the age issue into the equation when you talk about such a player, especially when that player does not feel superior to the others at any level and I recall Cesare Maldini saying that Seedorf's secret is that he truely believes he is the best player in the world and he has proven that all over, never did I regard him as inferior to the likes of Sheva, Kaka, Rivaldo, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, he always seemed on par and complimentary to their games, you must all respect that and stop trying to find flaws.

He is disgustingly inconsistent.

On pure quality, he's a complete midfielder. And on his day, he's at least one of the top 3 midfielders in the world. The issue is that a) How often does that happen? and b) When he's off he's utter shit.

He just comes off a tad too selfish for my taste. I can't like a player who picks up his game only when it suits him. Sometimes on the pitch it looks as if he doesn't even care.

It was never a question of quality, but one of attitude. Seedorf's quality is insane. It's extremely rare to find a player with his intelligence, technique, and physical attributes. He's got the whole package.

 

[Jivara]

He is disgustingly inconsistent.

On pure quality, he's a complete midfielder. And on his day, he's at least one of the top 3 midfielders in the world. The issue is that a) How often does that happen? and b) When he's off he's utter shit.

He just comes off a tad too selfish for my taste. I can't like a player who picks up his game only when it suits him. Sometimes on the pitch it looks as if he doesn't even care.

It was never a question of quality, but one of attitude. Seedorf's quality is insane. It's extremely rare to find a player with his intelligence, technique, and physical attributes. He's got the whole package.

Then I am sorry but you can say that about a lot of the players, including our superhuman saviour Mr. I Am Douchebag aka Zlatan, who only chooses to play when he is faced with melodramatic italian defenders but can do shit vs Tottenham's Dawson. The point is, Seedorf gets the job done, I dont care about his method, he is very reliable, ALL THE TIME, and I just dont bother expecting him to suddenly become a pest like Messi or Ronaldo, just running around the pitch to show case that he is the best in the world, to each his own style, Seedorf is wise in picking the right moments to lift his game, he knows that some games, his 100 percent is needed because the opponent is a tough team to crack, at other games, he will say, oh I guess Ibra can shove 2 - 3 defenders and get the job done so I would rather stay fit for the upcoming big game which I am already planning to dominate. This is Sir Clarence Von Seedorf, take it or leave it, choose the second and its definetly your loss... I would trade him for the world, I already feel horrible about letting go of Pirlo and its not only because im a nostalgic kind of person.

 

[Fiero]

Then I am sorry but you can say that about a lot of the players, including our superhuman saviour Mr. I Am Douchebag aka Zlatan, who only chooses to play when he is faced with melodramatic italian defenders but can do shit vs Tottenham's Dawson. The point is, Seedorf gets the job done, I dont care about his method, he is very reliable, ALL THE TIME, and I just dont bother expecting him to suddenly become a pest like Messi or Ronaldo, just running around the pitch to show case that he is the best in the world, to each his own style, Seedorf is wise in picking the right moments to lift his game, he knows that some games, his 100 percent is needed because the opponent is a tough team to crack, at other games, he will say, oh I guess Ibra can shove 2 - 3 defenders and get the job done so I would rather stay fit for the upcoming big game which I am already planning to dominate. This is Sir Clarence Von Seedorf, take it or leave it, choose the second and its definetly your loss... I would trade him for the world, I already feel horrible about letting go of Pirlo and its not only because im a nostalgic kind of person.

All players have their off days but Clarence at a lot of times is inconsistent by choice.

We have different opinions, as I simply don't trust him. That's exactly my issue with him, you never know which Seedorf will turn up. And as I said, at times it seems to me he cares more about personal glory rather than the team. Some games Milan would be struggling and he'd be barely running, then when it's time for the photo finish suddenly he's superman. Why do you think San Siro booed him for years?

But that's just how I see it, I could be wrong. Though that rarely happens.

 

[Jivara]

All players have their off days but Clarence at a lot of times is inconsistent by choice.

We have different opinions, as I simply don't trust him. That's exactly my issue with him, you never know which Seedorf will turn up. And as I said, at times it seems to me he cares more about personal glory rather than the team. Some games Milan would be struggling and he'd be barely running, then when it's time for the photo finish suddenly he's superman. Why do you think San Siro booed him for years?

But that's just how I see it, I could be wrong. Though that rarely happens.

Well im not really a big fan of our Ultra's anyway after the Maldini incidents so I couldnt give a rats ass if they booed Seedorf or not, they are not exactly the type of people who would come off as strikingly intelligent to me. And about Seedorf being selfish, did you not see how he could not complete an interview with the reporter after going out to Tottenham last year because he couldnt hold back his tears? You must really try to be more objective, just because a player doesnt hustle like pippo, prince, gattuso, nocerino, doesnt mean the guy is uninterested, I am telling you, Seedorf is probably the most important player in the locker room, this guy's hunger for success has no limits, and his love for this shirt and this institution is priceless. I am not trying to force you to like him, but you really are not being very objective in your argument. The only thing I can reason with is that he is picky but saying he is "disgustingly inconsistent" and "selfish" is far fetched, he is a true soldier of the team, not like Ibra and others who would bail out on us if we were struck with calciopoli 2 (god forbid).

 

[Goodfella]

I kind of disagree about him being inconsistent. When was the last time Seedorf did great as a CAM?

All of his great performances(since Ibra's arrival) was in the LCM/CM role, while ALL of his disgustingly bad ones was as a CAM.

 

[Jivara]

I kind of disagree about him being inconsistent. When was the last time Seedorf did great as a CAM?

All of his great performances(since Ibra's arrival) was in the LCM/CM role, while ALL of his disgustingly bad ones was as a CAM.

Well it kinda all depends on the tactical set up of the team. I would not play Seedorf as AM in this current formation because there is not enough creativity coming from the 3 CMs (as opposed to Ancelotti Milan) but I remember Seedorf being one of the best players when we played the xmass tree formation and took the CL in 2007, he was AM and Kaka was SS in that formation, he did wonders.

 

[Goodfella]

Well it kinda all depends on the tactical set up of the team. I would not play Seedorf as AM in this current formation because there is not enough creativity coming from the 3 CMs (as opposed to Ancelotti Milan) but I remember Seedorf being one of the best players when we played the xmass tree formation and took the CL in 2007, he was AM and Kaka was SS in that formation, he did wonders.

Yeah, he was just as important as Kaka that year and IMO his absence was the biggest reason why we fucked up so badly in the return leg against Arsenal the year after.

The biggest reason why he fucks up so badly as a CAM is because of his lack of pace and stamina, which are very necessary with Ibra having a free-role, not because the other CMs lack creativity. I wouldn't play him there even if we had 3 creative CMs.

 

[Fiero]

Well im not really a big fan of our Ultra's anyway after the Maldini incidents so I couldnt give a rats ass if they booed Seedorf or not, they are not exactly the type of people who would come off as strikingly intelligent to me. And about Seedorf being selfish, did you not see how he could not complete an interview with the reporter after going out to Tottenham last year because he couldnt hold back his tears? You must really try to be more objective, just because a player doesnt hustle like pippo, prince, gattuso, nocerino, doesnt mean the guy is uninterested, I am telling you, Seedorf is probably the most important player in the locker room, this guy's hunger for success has no limits, and his love for this shirt and this institution is priceless. I am not trying to force you to like him, but you really are not being very objective in your argument. The only thing I can reason with is that he is picky but saying he is "disgustingly inconsistent" and "selfish" is far fetched, he is a true soldier of the team, not like Ibra and others who would bail out on us if we were struck with calciopoli 2 (god forbid).

First of all you have to get it out of your head that players "love the shirt". There are hardly any bandieri left anymore. I don't see what's wrong with Ibrahimovic as football is his job, he gets paid to play for the club. Would you be called a mercenary if you left your job and took another one?

Yeah for sure Seedorf currently loves Milan as he's spent nearly 10 years with the club, but don't stretch it as far as "his love for the shirt is priceless", it's not like he used to sleep in Milan pyjamas as a kid. It's funny that you dislike Ibra and call him a mercenary, yet think that Seedorf is some kind of a die-hard Milan ultra. Didn't Seedorf play for Milano's weaker team as well?

Football's a job, players move clubs. No biggie. Anyway me saying he's selfish doesn't mean he doesn't care about Milan, it only means he cares about himself more, IMO. I could even use your words as a proof; "this guy's hunger for success has no limits" - this statement is 100% dead on and I agree with it, and that explains the tears after Spurs game as well. At the time it looked like he wasn't going to be offered a new contract so it was most likely his last hurrah at another Champions League. Remember what happened after that? Bam, bang-able form from Seedorf till the end of the season, helping Milan complete the Serie A job and earning a new contract in the process. Even though he was ranging from average to bad all the season until February. Moral of the story? He is extremely interested in accolades and trophies, but doesn't bother much with the week-in, week-out process. That's not meant to belittle him, but it's one of the reasons I have little affection towards him.

Remember the trophyless seasons, how was he performing during these years? It's just blatanly obvious to me that he raises his game against big opponents or when there's a trophy at stake. When the team is stuck in mediocricty or struggling he saves his energy, but when Milan are close to winning a trophy he puts on his A game. On the positive side, it's great that he's fired up to give Milan the edge vs strong opponents or at the last steps towards winning a trophy, but the rest of the season he's just mostly a burden on the other 10 players.

Anyway I don't see where this is going as you won't make me like him and I won't make you like him less. Despite that, I've enjoyed this debate. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

 

[Jivara]

OK mate, good night, I need to sleep, tomorrow I will buy a Seedorf shirt.

 

[Dominate]

It hurts me seeing him this shit

No matter what happens ill be greatful for the service he gave the club over the past 10 years

True Legend, the way he delivered when we needed him is inspiring

Him and Pippo are our true BGP, players who have delivered when the club needed them most, players like that get infinite respect

Hoping he does retire, he cant keep it at this level, join the Milan board or something, but his drive and ambition which turned im into an amazing player is also leading to the tarnishing of his legacy.

Great to send him out on a massive massive high, winning the CL, with him scoring a long range screamer to decide the game

True Legend, Grazie Seedorf

Dam, this is what I write when ive got this song playing in the background:

 

[Yoshi]

It hurts me seeing him this shit

No matter what happens ill be greatful for the service he gave the club over the past 10 years

True Legend, the way he delivered when we needed him is inspiring

Him and Pippo are our true BGP, players who have delivered when the club needed them most, players like that get infinite respect

Hoping he does retire, he cant keep it at this level, join the Milan board or something, but his drive and ambition which turned im into an amazing player is also leading to the tarnishing of his legacy.

Great to send him out on a massive massive high, winning the CL, with him scoring a long range screamer to decide the game

True Legend, Grazie Seedorf

Dam, this is what I write when ive got this song playing in the background:

No, that would just make G extend his contract for 3 more years

 

[Dominate]

No, that would just make G extend his contract for 3 more years

Dont give a shit, give a contract for life, play him in goal when he cant run anymore

If that actually happens, ill make a shrine to seedorf

 

[Sage]

seedorf is giving Milan a positive season so far, his only bad games were juve away and viktoria away, and the reason he played bad vs juve was because allegri used him in every game for 2 weeks or so.

he's def. not a starter anymore since nocerino and aquilani are on good form, so he's def. a very good option to have on the bench.

 

[Dominate]

seedorf is giving Milan a positive season so far, his only bad games were juve away and viktoria away, and the reason he played bad vs juve was because allegri used him in every game for 2 weeks or so.

he's def. not a starter anymore since nocerino and aquilani are on good form, so he's def. a very good option to have on the bench.

Took the words out of my mouth

 

[sushanmilano]

seedorf is giving Milan a positive season so far, his only bad games were juve away and viktoria away, and the reason he played bad vs juve was because allegri used him in every game for 2 weeks or so.

he's def. not a starter anymore since nocerino and aquilani are on good form, so he's def. a very good option to have on the bench.

You have very good taste in footballers Jivara Clarence and Pirlo, Mozart and beethoven of football

 

[Jivara]

You have very good taste in footballers Jivara Clarence and Pirlo, Mozart and beethoven of football

You took the words out of my mouth

Actually, Pirlo is like a Vivaldi