Official: Massimiliano Allegri Thread

[Costanza]

In what way hasn't Ibra shown Allegri respect?

I mean except the fact he walks Ibra's dog and delivers his pizzas?

When he fucks up the locker room after Arsenal 3-0. Or When he has told Max to shut the fuck up a few times while Max tried to motivate the team.

Ibra, in his head, has turned to the true leader of Milan on the pitch. He wants the team to win badly, but he recently has forgotten that you can't expect everyone else to do things exactly the way you want.

I haven't said this till now, but I don't think it was a coincidence that we played much better against Juve without Ibra. Because against them we needed to change and those changes doesn't fit Ibra, so he stops contributing.

 

[Australiano1980]

is the end of the season and ibra is tired.
this is the problem 1.

the problem 2 is, juve gain a little quality this season but nothing that should be trashing us out.

problem 3.. the referee taking points from us.

 

[Mr. Milanista]

It's funny how Di Matteo and Chelsea are getting this much praise while what we did against a much more fresh Barca was far superior, we only failed to get the result.

We defended better without TS and MvB and even Abate, Binho missed the same chance Drogba scored, Barca had no clear chances against us unlike Chelsea, and the only true PK in both legs was the Messi one that Anto did.

The Seria A matches after that are obviously off because of fatigue and the huge impact Barca loss had on many players, including Ibra.

Fiorentina and Catania are easily excused, Chiveo we had to start Yepes, Rino, De Ciglio
, and Bologna was a little bit unlucky.

If you lose Allegri, who finally found a Serie-A winning formula after Carletto and Leo failed and go for another guy is pure madness.

He may lack the ability to motivate people, but don't forget we don't have simple guys in our team. it's much more easy to motivate Vidal and Marchisio than Ibra and Seedorf.

Plus Ibra has to respect his coach much more than he does. Just because he has worked with Mou and Pep doesn't put him above Allegri. When Pep treated him like crap, he tried to suit his needs but here he doesn't want to even try things that he may not find good.

OMG!
Haven't read anything better in a while.

 

[fredrik9]

When he fucks up the locker room after Arsenal 3-0. Or When he has told Max to shut the fuck up a few times while Max tried to motivate the team.

Where did you get this info? You're sitting on exclusive news. Please share pics and videos of this.

All we knew is that there was a heated discussion between the two after the last Arsenal game.

Any player who wasn't upset after that game should be fired.

Ibra, in his head, has turned to the true leader of Milan on the pitch.

In his head? Where have you been since August 2010?
Ambrosini last week: "Zlatan is undoubtedly the leader of the team, he never gives up on that responsibility,"

 

[GtrFlo]

Senatore M84 for president.

 

[Costanza]

Where did you get this info? You're sitting on exclusive news. Please share pics and videos of this.

All we knew is that there was a heated discussion between the two after the last Arsenal game.

Any player who wasn't upset after that game should be fired.

I think people have heard this.

Everyone was upset, but you need to behave when you're upset.

In his head? Where have you been since August 2010?
Ambrosini last week: "Zlatan is undoubtedly the leader of the team, he never gives up on that responsibility,"

His one of leaders, but not the only leader. TS is a leader too, and Max is one too.

But he is the only leader that thinks different.

Everyone in the team knows this is Ibra's team. and I have no problem with it, but as a player, when you have a status like this you have to help your coach not distract him. And I think Ibra don't deserve such a status in this team yet. It would be much better if he was only a golden boy like last season's first half, rather than the one who has to confirm everything.

If he was like Prince and Thiago, then he would still be our no.1 weapon but in that case the whole team wouldn't sink when Ibra is not at his best.

This season he has fucked with Max a lot. I may even say he has become the coach sometimes. He clearly doesn't know what a true leader is.

I'm not questioning what he does, I'm questioning how he does it.

 

[ELMAGO99]

I generally favor the ideas of ASH, but in this overall analysis of our season, he's being TOO negative on the squad. These are the reasons (in no particular order) for our struggles this season:

1. 3-4 MAJOR Refereeing errors of Offsides, and more importantly, balls crossing the goal line not called on 3 occasions+ A phantom penalty vs. Barcelona as well.

2. Injuries: Pato, Boateng, Merkel, Robinho, Nesta, TS, Mexes, Van Bommel, Gattuso, Aquilani, Flamini, I can go on and on and on.. Everyone's been injured at least once and this prevented us from having any flow to the season. The Dubai trip once again cursed us, and ruined out season.

3. Allegri: Poor substitutions continue to exist. He waits too late or makes the wrong sub. He has not changed the tactics when necessary, but at the same time, if he did, haters would say "HE has no confidence in his system. He's just making shit up" ....Having said that, I think Capello is a better coach, but not necessarily Pep Guardiola or Spalletti. The best is JM, but he's stay put.

4. Berlusconi & Galliani: Galliani is the deal maker, NOT the money man, but he has renewed the old guard far too long. If Inzaghi was never in the plans why was he resigned??? Zambrotta, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Yepes, Inzaghi must go at all costs. We need Tevez, to release Lopez-Inzaghi, loan SES, and we need 3 new midfielders and perhaps both a LB AND RB. This is a lot to ask, but if don't we want to consistently make 2nd or 3rd place in Italy, and Rnd of 16 or Quarters of CL, then we better make changes- FAST!

 

[ELMAGO99]

And on another note, I think the most Superior Formation at this Moment is the 4-2-3-1.

We do not have the Wingers to be able to play that nor a creative CM. Teams like Bayern & Real Madrid use this to perfection, btu they have the proper players for it. I find it to be the most balanced and solid formation at this moment.

I think Barcelona plays with too many midfielders, and they expose their defense too much. They're the only team who can play like that and get away with it.

For us, the system we use is the best for our players. Ibrahimovic is TOO slow to play other systems. He's a bit lazy and plays at a snails pace sometimes. I think he can handle the 4-2-3-1, but it is said generally he likes to play with another striker. The problem is, HE DOESN"T LIKE playing with any of our STRIKERS besides Cassano.

We do have some issues to work out, no doubt. Hopefully Allegri's not a pussy this Summer and sorts them out.

 

[Sven]

did you read the next sentence? but even then i'm not sure it'd work at all... and i laid out why


it all points to fact our midfield is so devoid of ability we need to stack it to make the team function in some sort of way



I stand by it. It's the formation which mazimizes our team.

The fact their maximum is this, shows the lack of quality... especially when you consider cassano/prince injuries.

Yes, basically we need to stack the midfield. I'm doubtful of the benefit of a three man defense with this squad. It means we would basically take a midfielder out to bring a CB and put more focus exactly over our weaker spots (fullbacks). You miss a player in the midfield, so as the same job in possession must be done by a player less + sweeper. Give up to some solidity in the middle to gain directness/width in the 3-5-2. And this is basically the offensive threat from the wingbacks, something I'm not sure that Abate, Antonini & co can really bring to table.

 

[fredrik9]

I think people have heard this.

Awesome.

Do you have video too?

His one of leaders, but not the only leader. TS is a leader too, and Max is one too.

The only leaders we have in Milan besides Ibra are Rino and Seedorf.
Seedorf is gone now. Maybe Rino too.

TS and Max? Please. You must be joking.

 

[ELMAGO99]

Yes, basically we need to stack the midfield. I'm doubtful of the benefit of a three man defense with this squad. It means we would basically take a midfielder out to bring a CB and put more focus exactly over our weaker spots (fullbacks). You miss a player in the midfield, so as the same job in possession must be done by a player less + sweeper. Give up to some solidity in the middle to gain directness/width in the 3-5-2. And this is basically the offensive threat from the wingbacks, something I'm not sure that Abate, Antonini & co can really bring to table.

I'm POSITIVE they can't. And this is why our lack of FB's and weakness in midfield limits what we can do tactically. We can't Press (too slow) we can't play Wide (Shitty FB's) we can only play up through the middle with Ibra, and if you shut him down, well, we're fucked.

We need new players, no other way to say it. If we continue with 4312, then we need 2 good FB's and dynamic MF's (Monto, Asamoah, Boateng, Eriksen, Hernanes, M'Vila, Essien).

If we want to change the formation, well Allegri's gotta ask Ibra first

 

[Costanza]

Awesome.

Do you have video too?

I think it was an away game that we were winning. I will try to find it.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Yes, basically we need to stack the midfield. I'm doubtful of the benefit of a three man defense with this squad. It means we would basically take a midfielder out to bring a CB and put more focus exactly over our weaker spots (fullbacks). You miss a player in the midfield, so as the same job in possession must be done by a player less + sweeper. Give up to some solidity in the middle to gain directness/width in the 3-5-2. And this is basically the offensive threat from the wingbacks, something I'm not sure that Abate, Antonini & co can really bring to table.

That's my concern too....

in theory a 3-5-2 could be best way to service both pato and ibra.

And I do think we have 4 cb's capable of playing it (Thiago, nesta, mexes, bonera)

But urby is only wingback i think might be able to play it with effect. Abate would be worse. Antonini- no difference.

And then the issue of CM slowing us down again, comes up....what are you going to play? MVB, prince, nocerino? No. Aquilani, mvb, nocerino? no

could continue going but the whole 5 would suffer.

Perhaps with a couple signings we could use it but still.... the 4-3-1-2 is our best option with tools at allegri's disposal.

 

[Danilo JBG]

Allegri has done a very good job with our injury destroyed squad. He manages to bring the best from many players, but I really think he should work on some flaws that are really bad, like overplaying some of our key players, like Thiago Silva. Also, not using Aquilani. Yes, he's nothing that special, but at least he's the closest we have to a playmaker, and we CLEARLY need a playmaker. I'd rather have a "nothing special" playmaker rather than all "nothing special" work-horses like Muntari and Nocerino. I think he underestimates far too much the importance of that kind of player.

He's got many qualities, but his flaws seem far too bad to me. And he dwells on some of them for a ridiculously high ammount of time, even though he manages to adapt quickly in other matters. He needs to work on this, open his mind a little bit and, maybe, try to make things simple more often rather than trying to find new positions for some players who are clearly awkward when they're on the pitch.

 

[GtrFlo]

Allegri has done a very good job with our injury destroyed squad. He manages to bring the best from many players, but I really think he should work on some flaws that are really bad, like overplaying some of our key players, like Thiago Silva. Also, not using Aquilani. Yes, he's nothing that special, but at least he's the closest we have to a playmaker, and we CLEARLY need a playmaker. I'd rather have a "nothing special" playmaker rather than all "nothing special" work-horses like Muntari and Nocerino. I think he underestimates far too much the importance of that kind of player.

He's got many qualities, but his flaws seem far too bad to me. And he dwells on some of them for a ridiculously high ammount of time, even though he manages to adapt quickly in other matters. He needs to work on this, open his mind a little bit and, maybe, try to make things simple more often rather than trying to find new positions for some players who are clearly awkward when they're on the pitch.

Tbf, if the management doesn't want to permanently sign Aquilani then Allegri's hands are somewhat tied. He can't start him.

 

[Sven]

That's my concern too....

in theory a 3-5-2 could be best way to service both pato and ibra.

And I do think we have 4 cb's capable of playing it (Thiago, nesta, mexes, bonera)

But urby is only wingback i think might be able to play it with effect. Abate would be worse. Antonini- no difference.

And then the issue of CM slowing us down again, comes up....what are you going to play? MVB, prince, nocerino? No. Aquilani, mvb, nocerino? no

Muntari - Montolivo with Prince on top.

I think the best 3 man defense is actually a 3-4-2-1. Hard work like Lavezzi/Hamsik do. It doesn't really fit Ibra... Need a midfield to sustain 2 man on top. More all around players.

 

[MilanMB]

It's funny how people use the lack of quality in the squad to justify garbage performances against the likes of Fiorentina and Genoa

No doubt our performances against them were bad. But you've been singing the same old song before those games.

I think fatigue is the reason behind the bad form recently. When the coach have 15-17 players to work with during a whole season, you know that bad for will show up.

Funny how they try to justify that Allegri doesn't have the players needed to fit in his system yet don't criticize him for atleast attempting to fiddle around with his tactics cauz of it

Funny how they justify playing the likes of Urby and Seedorf at CAM, despite them being crap at it, cauz we don't have anyone else YET don't find fault in the coach for stubbornly sticking to a formation we fuckin' don't have players for

The tactics have been explained to you by others. If you still don't understand it, let me know and I'll explain further.

Meanwhile, let us know how you think the tactics should have been fiddled with.

(one thing I must say though, the 4-3-1-2 we're seeing on paper, isn't a 4-3-1-2 most of the time. It's a very flexible formation.)

Funny how they constantly justify his ******ed team selections and reactive nature and the fact that he failed to motivate his team when it really mattered

Injuries.

Funny how these are the same people who wrote off Juve at the beginning of the season calling their squad mediocre and said that our squad was more than enough to win the Scudetto

Our squad was more than enough to win the scudetto... but, injuries. I wonder how many times this must be said before it sinks in.

These are the same people who will overrate him to kingdom come yet won't criticise him when he fucks up....

I have no problems with Allegri staying on, but to blindly put all the blame on the management, shit squad, injuries and referee errors is pathetic. To say that he has no part in our current predicament is pathetic....

I was impressed by him last season when he atleast attempted to show a bit of imagination, but this season no offense, we have been shit. Plus the matter of how people overrated him for a Scudetto, which while remarkable, was won when our opponents were more or less shit....

I think most of us who likes Allegri have criticized him, maybe except Mr.Milanista and Congo. But they're fanboys.

I think Allegri have a little bit of problem in the man management department. But then again, how can you expect the coach to run things in his own way when the management doesn't back him up?

Coaches like Sacchi, Capello and even Carletto have left us because our management have taken the side of the star player of the team. It's a shame, but that's our reality. Galliani never should have let Ibra get such an big head and think that he runs things.

Another thing I find suspicious is his training methods. Can the injuries be blamed on Allegri or does the problem lie somewhere else? Injury prone players, bad pitch, bad luck, old players etc. I don't know.

Allegri is not a god, but he's a talented coach, that's for sure. If he gets fired, B&G are only creating a scapegoat to hide their failures behind. Our bad season isn't Allegri's fault, but of course he has a part in it.

 

[MilanMB]

please stop with the talks of a 3-5-2.

3 man defense

 

[asd]

i think milan plays better in the second half always felt allegri was very motivating. its our player selections thats fucked

and of course the fuck juve was only in one competiton. hopefully theu tie twice. that ibrah offside goal in bolonga ffuucked us.

hopefully managment just gets some new midfielders n one big signing for next year (asamoah). merkel n strasser are back, de sciligo is showing promise and hopefully urby is forced into lb or we sell him n get a better one.

or switch to three defenders

 

[necromancer]

Allegri clearly under heavy fire having to go this low:

@Milanello

Allegri: "If a coach manages to win in his first season, then it means that he is very competent."

That's a quote by Nocerino. Milanello quoted it wrongly in his tweet.

 

[fredrik9]

That's a quote by Nocerino. Milanello quoted it wrongly in his tweet.

Well that's better.

 

[Az.]

Berlusconi has a valid claim of firing Allegri only if he invests massively in the team this summer.If he doesn't like the football Allegri`s is playing ,he should get him some fucking technical players to play samba stuff.



But one thing Al needs to do,is start kicking serious but in the locker room.

 

[Hondayum]

Uh oh. Things don't look good for Allegri...Guardiola will step down as Barça manager. Berlu must be on the phone right now.

 

[Jasper]

 

[IKE]

3-5-2 or some very similar formation cost us this year a lot of points. Here guilt lies only Alegri and his stubbornness with only one formation 4-3-1-2.


Juve Lazio , Udine and Napoli all played 3-5-2 or something very similar.

And result ?


From 24 possible points we could only manage to get 7. Not even a third of possible.


And NO injuries are NOT reason. It’s clear that formation doesn’t works….


-------------maxi----------------

----SES----Ibra---- Boa-------

---muntari ------- straser -----

Urby – silva – nesta – abate



We take in consideration : ibra stubbornness (“play around me or I don’t play”)....so team plays around him ....



...

 

[MilanSpecialist]

3-5-2 or some very similar formation cost us this year a lot of points. Here guilt lies only Alegri and his stubbornness with only one formation 4-3-1-2.


Juve Lazio , Udine and Napoli all played 3-5-2 or something very similar.

And result ?


From 24 possible points we could only manage to get 7. Not even a third of possible.


And NO injuries are NOT reason. It’s clear that formation doesn’t works….


-------------maxi----------------

----SES----Ibra---- Boa-------

---muntari ------- straser -----

Urby – silva – nesta – abate



We take in consideration : ibra stubbornness (“play around me or I don’t play”)....so team plays around him ....



...

thats the thing, juve. have the players to play the crazy formations that count runs from match to match...often times, people have no idea what kind of formation count runs..us, we have the players to play one formation, and thats it and we can barely pull it off and make it work match to match..added to the fact that juve can run a winger formation and do it damn well, they have been linked with Robben in recent weeks, with Robben saying he wouldn't mind playing in italy and for juve..Ribery has said the same about playing in Italy in recent weeks as well..

 

[Redman10]

If he can't motivate the locker room, isn't it possible he lost them already?

 

[Fiero]

If he can't motivate the locker room, isn't it possible he lost them already?

Maybe some players have lost faith in him, we can't know. However it seems likely with the recent performances, results, and rumors. But Seedorf and Robinho have always been bitches, especially Seedorf.

I'd worry if Ambro, Rino, and Nesta do not trust in Max anymore. Sadly we have no idea what these guys think.

Anyway all these rumors can't be based on bullshit. Plus Allegri is behaving like a man under pressure. I think Galliani is on his side, but Berlusconi wants to get rid of him.

In the end probably the outcome of the title and the seniors' opinion would be the deciding factor.

 

[HamzaHas]

Honestly I think he should leave. I haven't seen any imrovement from last year (on the contrary we're becoming worse.) We don't have any real plan or playing style it's all just kick the ball forward and hope for the best.

 

[luke07]

Honestly I think he should leave. I haven't seen any imrovement from last year (on the contrary we're becoming worse.) We don't have any real plan or playing style it's all just kick the ball forward and hope for the best.