Week 10: Milan 1-1 Lazio SS 30/10/2013

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I think this picture pretty much sums up the opinion of pretty much every fan ( except deluded ones) about Milan.. aka " how the fuck did they messed it up so badly ".:fp:

P.S : Thanks for the pics sod, there great.
 

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Awesome that Maldini and Sheva were there to witness Kaka's 2nd debut goal :proud:
 

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Maldini and Sheva :proud: they're ready to take over in the board rooms, fuck do I wish!
 

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I don't have much issue with the substitutions, rather the timing, 5-10min is negligible that there seems little point but Allegri is occasionally rewarded for leaving players on a little longer than supporters may like.

My issues with the game stem more from the fact that Abate is too involved for his own good, free-kicks are unimaginative and corners are more of a detriment than anything else. If teams are able to clear from Milan's corners, they are then set on a counter against only 2 set defenders and Lazio could have won from these had Gabriel not intervened. I'd rather the short corners to what's currently being used, there's no risk associated with them.

PS Thanks Sven

I think 10 mins is enough to grab the win again. That sub, to me, killed any hope of trying to get 3 points because that front 3 has no chemistry between them.

Regarding Abate, I don't think he is a bad player but last night he played bad and Lazio were happy not to press him. When Constant is playing, you would normally see the ball pass through his side because he is the weakness. The problem is that our midfield is too slow (Muntari and Montolivo) in moving the ball forward and are very uncreative between themselves so the outlet becomes the full backs who then concede the space behind them and our CBs are not reliable enough to cover properly every time.

Basically the team is so horribly assembled that one weakness can exploit all the other weaknesses on the team and that is why we are conceding on the most avoidable of situations.
 

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Zapata is marking Gabriel obviously

Yup

Those pics also shows it wasnt De Jong's fault. Aint his fault he is short neither was it is his job to mark the dude.

Zapata was the one to blame with a lesse extent Monto (for ballwatching) and De Sciglio for letting in the cross (although to be fair, we had sufficient bodies in the box to defend it)
 

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Neither Binho and Matri subs did make sense; especially, Matri. it is not because he is Allegri's ideal one; however, it is because we did not sent/cross any ball inside the area before or after Matri came in so he can be effective; therefore making his presence a complete eyesore.

I would argue the Robinho sub does make sense, as any support forward coming on to try and exploit late game lapses makes sense. Additionally Matri's worth isn't limited to crosses, if nothing else, him occupying the CBs in the box leaves space for the other forwards to shoot. Clearly the execution was lacking but both players fulfilled their bit-part roles.

Regarding Abate, I don't think he is a bad player but last night he played bad and Lazio were happy not to press him. When Constant is playing, you would normally see the ball pass through his side because he is the weakness. The problem is that our midfield is too slow (Muntari and Montolivo) in moving the ball forward and are very uncreative between themselves so the outlet becomes the full backs who then concede the space behind them and our CBs are not reliable enough to cover properly every time.


Agreed Abate is not a bad player, but he's not a smart player at least in the attacking sense. This isn't anything new, it was just magnified this game because he did very little right.

I'm a little unsure about the bolded sentence whether you're referring to Constant's defending in comparison to Abate, if so, I have no issue with Abate's defending. I'd be very happy if that were his only job and Constant/De Sciglio be allowed to contribute offensively to the same degree Abate does rather than the current opposite.

The speed with which Muntari/Montolivo move the ball forward doesn't seem a causality for using full backs in attack. It's a matter of negating numerical advantage, even the best teams use many numbers in attack to keep every defender accountable. Furthermore speedy play is typically restricted to counter attacking which Milan do within games but not as their mane style. So again, high numbers are used, now to minimise lack of creativity.

However, with many numbers forward it will leave the CBs exposed if the ball is lost, therefore it is the responsibility of these same players to return as quickly as possible or delay the opponent's attack by pressing. It was effective in this game and meant any covering Zap/Zac had to do was painless.


Basically the team is so horribly assembled that one weakness can exploit all the other weaknesses on the team and that is why we are conceding on the most avoidable of situations.

Horribly assembled is harsh, Zapata is a weakness when he holds the ball too long, Constant has been a weakness but his time will decline. I think a key weakness is de Jong at anchor instead of Montolivo but de Jong was excellent and Montolivo also had a good game, so I don't see their roles changing and maybe Montolivo will come to relish the additional freedom he has as RCM.
 

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Zapata, oh dear!!
Who the fuck are you marking?
Everybody else is covered and he stay on the middle watching.

He needs to be in a Samsung commercial "I love watching football and I have the best sit on the pitch; with my 3D glasses, everything looks so real. Wait a minute...."
 

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I would argue the Robinho sub does make sense, as any support forward coming on to try and exploit late game lapses makes sense. Additionally Matri's worth isn't limited to crosses, if nothing else, him occupying the CBs in the box leaves space for the other forwards to shoot. Clearly the execution was lacking but both players fulfilled their bit-part roles.




Agreed Abate is not a bad player, but he's not a smart player at least in the attacking sense. This isn't anything new, it was just magnified this game because he did very little right.

I'm a little unsure about the bolded sentence whether you're referring to Constant's defending in comparison to Abate, if so, I have no issue with Abate's defending. I'd be very happy if that were his only job and Constant/De Sciglio be allowed to contribute offensively to the same degree Abate does rather than the current opposite.

The speed with which Muntari/Montolivo move the ball forward doesn't seem a causality for using full backs in attack. It's a matter of negating numerical advantage, even the best teams use many numbers in attack to keep every defender accountable. Furthermore speedy play is typically restricted to counter attacking which Milan do within games but not as their mane style. So again, high numbers are used, now to minimise lack of creativity.

However, with many numbers forward it will leave the CBs exposed if the ball is lost, therefore it is the responsibility of these same players to return as quickly as possible or delay the opponent's attack by pressing. It was effective in this game and meant any covering Zap/Zac had to do was painless.




Horribly assembled is harsh, Zapata is a weakness when he holds the ball too long, Constant has been a weakness but his time will decline. I think a key weakness is de Jong at anchor instead of Montolivo but de Jong was excellent and Montolivo also had a good game, so I don't see their roles changing and maybe Montolivo will come to relish the additional freedom he has as RCM.

I was referring to Constant's attacking contribution in the bold part you highlighted. Many attacks start with him making a poor forward pass, usually to someone like Muntari who is even worse at moving the ball around. Our left hand is paralyzed when those two play on the same line, de Sciglio is a huge upgrade.

I don't mind Abate's contribution to offense, in fact I think he is an extra weapon and has improved a lot in this aspect during the past 2 years. I agree he is not an intelligent player so he gets exposed when we are in a tense situation and the mistakes start to show but I think he is very dependable.

A problem is that we get outnumbered on the wings when opponents double up. It becomes confusing for LCM and RCM to help the full backs and when they do that it's usually late and allows the opponents to move up the field. When SES comes back I think we have to go back to 2 holding mids (Monto and De Jong ) and it's also important to fix our CB partnership so as not to concede dumb goals like the one Lazio scored.
 

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I was referring to Constant's attacking contribution in the bold part you highlighted. Many attacks start with him making a poor forward pass, usually to someone like Muntari who is even worse at moving the ball around. Our left hand is paralyzed when those two play on the same line, de Sciglio is a huge upgrade.

I don't mind Abate's contribution to offense, in fact I think he is an extra weapon and has improved a lot in this aspect during the past 2 years. I agree he is not an intelligent player so he gets exposed when we are in a tense situation and the mistakes start to show but I think he is very dependable.

A problem is that we get outnumbered on the wings when opponents double up. It becomes confusing for LCM and RCM to help the full backs and when they do that it's usually late and allows the opponents to move up the field. When SES comes back I think we have to go back to 2 holding mids (Monto and De Jong ) and it's also important to fix our CB partnership so as not to concede dumb goals like the one Lazio scored.

basically, you are saying that milan needs better defenders and midfielders. welcome to 2013
 

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Who exactly was Zapata marking? The air around him?

tbf Montolivo was following Ciani from the middle of the field and suddenly he stopped and let him go as soon as the dude reached our own box which resulted in a free header. Don't really know what Monty was thinking at that time :fp:
 

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tbf Montolivo was following Ciani from the middle of the field and suddenly he stopped and let him go as soon as the dude reached our own box which resulted in a free header. Don't really know what Monty was thinking at that time :fp:

Only the team knows whose fault it was. You can defend crosses in different ways. In a man marking system, it would be seen as Monty's fault, while in a zonal defense system, it would be seen as Zapata's fault. It depends on what the team's instructions were. We just know it was one of Montolivo or Zapata. :)
 

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LOL Nigel de Jong. Probably the shortest Milan player on the pitch. Tried defending a high ball still. Speechless.
 

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