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The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

Rigore to save your life: choose your player


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Considering Conte is available, replacing Pioli with Motta will be a crime in my eyes

Mourinho available. Better winner even better friends with Ibra. Also stays longer than Conte does in jobs. And best of all has his own real hair.
 
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Italy’s Euro 20 was not a fluke.

That was a good team.

The reason why Italy declined is because they were not able to replace Chillieni/Bonucci/Verratii/Jorginho/Insigne with better players and it doesn’t help that their best prospect in Chiesa got an ACL.
 
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Interesting.

Seems like his tactical approach is a good fit for our squad, and that he is almost a natural successor to Pioli's tactics(when they work). Getting him and Zirkzee in a package deal to start a new era would be very exciting.
It would give us more order, but it would also emphasize more passing whilst giving way more defensive structure--my biggest concern would be that Motta doesn't seem to use his fullbacks as much in the attacking phase, based on this breakdown. Perhaps because he doesn't have a weapon like Theo?

Zirkzee's style reminds me of an aging striker who wants the ball more and drops deeper to get the ball because he is now in the MLS.

Zirkzee is a tidy, interesting player. But I see late stage Higuain in his style. If he starts scoring more, then he would be devastating, of course. So you can argue that his style shows that he's mature for his age... or that he's a big fish in a small pond kinda player, I don't watch him enough to know.

The price plays on my mind, as I'd expect a lot for a 40m player. I don't think he's that sort of talent, not yet.

I would either want an Ibra-style player, hence my desire for Scamacca (Ibra if drawn by broken crayons) or I would love a live-wire in the mold of an Aguero. Jovic, if he actually returns to his Frankfurt form would be a good halfway between the two, as Jovic isn't afraid to drop deep and layoff the ball or create space. Zirkzee could be that midway point, but 40m is a lot for him.

Motta seems to make sense, the question is whether he can handle the next jump?
 
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Italy’s Euro 20 was not a fluke.

That was a good team.

The reason why Italy declined is because they were not able to replace Chillieni/Bonucci/Verratii/Jorginho/Insigne with better players and it doesn’t help that their best prospect in Chiesa got an ACL.

Those same players didn't qualify for 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Gareth Waistcoat went full defensive. 1 shot on target after the 3rd min. The same Waistcoat who basically made 2 of his pen takers cold. By making them stand on the touchline for the whole of the 2nd half of ET then bringing them with a just 20 secs left. First kick of the ball was the pens.
 

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Those same players didn't qualify for 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Gareth Waistcoat went full defensive. 1 shot on target after the 3rd min. The same Waistcoat who basically made 2 of his pen takers cold. By making them stand on the touchline for the whole of the 2nd half of ET then bringing them with a just 20 secs left. First kick of the ball was the pens.

Can’t explain on 2018 cause I was bit out of the loop but 2022 well yeah Chiesa got ACL, Spinaziola’s injuries finished him too and Jorginho/Verratti started to decline a fair bit. Chillieni/Bonucci essentially retired. That’s a fair bit of players.

England bottled it I agree. They had the best squad. But I don’t think Italy in 2020 was a shit team
 
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It wasn’t a bad team. Italy Euro 20 was a good team and Mancini did a good job until that period.

Chiesa was playing out of his mind. Jorginho was at his peak. Verratii was still elite. Spinaziolla pre-injury was also very good.

Barella was also very good. That Italy midfield was very good and Bonucci/Chiellini had their last hooray.

Now all these players are retired, past it or get terrible injuries. Barella aside.

Italy has no decent replacements to this, hence they declined.

But everything aligned for Euro 20.
Italy played some brilliant football during that tournament and thoroughly deserved the trophy
 
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Are those analytical videos accurate ?
Seems like it can be done in any given game & make it look like its an approach.
Depends on what you mean by accurate?

From what I've seen when watching Bologna, it seems to explain his style. Maybe it is missing things? I don't know enough about Motta or have watched Bologna enough to say, but from what I have seen it seems to explain Bologna pretty well.

These aren't highlight videos of players cherry picking their best moments, as your comment seemingly implies, they're trying to explain the tactics of a coach.

I'm not some Motta fanboy. I've been more inclined to Italiano over Motta, and De Zerbi above them both. Maybe Motta is the next Pep? Maybe he's the next Montella? I don't know. Young managers are a gamble when taking the next step, just because they deserve coverage doesn't mean they are destined for success.

I posted the video just because I thought it explained Motta's philosophy and approach. It wasn't some sort of advocacy.
 
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Even current Italy squad is pretty good, they have some problematic positions but so do Germany and Spain for example. I feel it is more a problem of team spirit and consistency than talent.
 
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Can’t explain on 2018 cause I was bit out of the loop but 2022 well yeah Chiesa got ACL, Spinazzoola injuries finished him too and Jorginho/Verratti started to decline. Chilleini/Bonucci essentially retired.

England bottled it I agree. They have the best squad. But I don’t think Italy in 2020 was a shit team

Never said it was a shit team. But you can definitely call it fluke. Considering what went before and after that result. No different to Greece's triumph. Or thats not allowed to be said because Italy are 4 times World Cup winners? Or its what Italy do, doesn't quite cut it tbh. Got to call it as it is. Now it isnt as bad as Denmark who didn't even qualify for the tournament that they won. But if you look at the tournaments post World Cup 86. Bottom in Euro 88 didn't qualify for Italia 90 and didn't qualify for USA 94. Its all looks the same.
 

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Calling titles fluke is a bit disrespectful, it is absolutely normal not to defend a title in football unless you are significant better than everyone else and even the best football teams drop the ball against some pub team occasionally.
 
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Calling titles fluke is a bit disrespectful, it is absolutely normal not to defend a title in football unless you are significant better than everyone else and even the best football teams drop the ball against some pub team occasionally.

Who even mentioned anything about defending a title?
 

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I bet you didnt see any torino game.
The highlights showed me what I needed to see abt him
if you enjoy 90' of bottom tier matches it's ur choice ngl
 

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Lol

You guys also said the same thing to Giampaolo when this video released 🤡



Look at the comments section
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Giampaolo had some red flags

For one he looked weird

and two he had a mental breakdown when he was hired for Brescia. The stage was too big for him and he basically went into hiding and quit his role. I think he suffered from Milan being such a massive club and all that comes with it. Also, I hate managers who are too focused on a "system" like Giampaolo

That's why I like Motta, he has his fundamentals but is willing to be more pragmatic in certain situations like vs Inter
 
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Depends on what you mean by accurate?

From what I've seen when watching Bologna, it seems to explain his style. Maybe it is missing things? I don't know enough about Motta or have watched Bologna enough to say, but from what I have seen it seems to explain Bologna pretty well.

These aren't highlight videos of players cherry picking their best moments, as your comment seemingly implies, they're trying to explain the tactics of a coach.

I'm not some Motta fanboy. I've been more inclined to Italiano over Motta, and De Zerbi above them both. Maybe Motta is the next Pep? Maybe he's the next Montella? I don't know. Young managers are a gamble when taking the next step, just because they deserve coverage doesn't mean they are destined for success.

I posted the video just because I thought it explained Motta's philosophy and approach. It wasn't some sort of advocacy.
Maybe I'm wrong but Italiano has some Pioli tendencies

He wants to play his way no matter the circumstance or opponent
 

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