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[Dinar]

Reggie Miller

 

[Senatore_M84]

Jason Kidd

2nd best PG of all time (behind Magic if you count him as one). So happy to see Kidd win it all. EAST BAY LEGEND (along with Gary Payton).

From my home down. I pretty much wanted to be Jason Kidd my whole life. His vision and intelligence is unparalleled. And his defense my god. He's 38 and he effectively defended Kobe, Westbrook, Durant, Wade and even Lebron.

Oldest guard to ever win a championship. A position defined by athleticism and quickness.

By the way he's not a midget. 6ft4, 100kg, long arms. He's the main reason Dallas was able to effectively play Terry and Barea. Other teams run small guards but at end of day it fails cause they can't guard opposing SGs (like Wade and Kobe). The difference for Dallas is they can switch Kidd (the PG) onto the SG, and put their smaller scoring guards on opposing PGs (who are not big).

A player not defined by scoring, but did EVERYTHING else. Second (or third, i forget) most triple doubles of all time. And by far the smallest player on that list (Magic and Oscar robertson are both 6ft7 or above).

I still own a Jason Kidd cal jersey from 1993. Yeah I was 8. Yes it's a child medium. Yeah I tried to wear it the other day and failed miserably

You guys won't really understand the hype he received here growing up. He's just great:



Well deserved.


And kudos to Dallas too. Pure class. Dirk deserved it. I hated how he's always been called soft, he's not. The played a beautiful team game. Proving 5 men working together wins.

Here's an excellent article on them, their usage of 5man unit analysis and advanced analytic approach. If you're intelligent enough to understand it, you'll find it facinating:
On Jason Kidd and "Win Time", and the Greatest Clutch Lineup on Earth


Dallas definitely ahead of the curb with this stuff, in my opinion. Most teams utilize this information, but I don't think any of them know how to apply it as well as Dallas. Their is no denying Miami is more talented, but Dallas just killed them in terms of team play, rotations, coaching and tactics





and one last gift. Dirk singing, lol:


probably feels like hasselhoff on the berlin wall

 

[Senatore_M84]

By the way, you all know, I love to make fun of mavericks for our historic upset of them in 2007. We've always owned them (random, lol). but I got a lot of respect for Cuban, because Dallas was basically the clippers or warriors before he owned them. A joke, always cutting money, and he sunk a lot of money into redoing the organization, making them first class and becoming a consistent winner.

I'm expecting same from our new owners. So far i'm not dissapointed.
-Hired Jerry West to the front office :O.
-Hired Mark Jackson (Hand down Man down! Momma, there goes that man!".
-Hired Bob Myers (powerful agent) to our front office

Now it's time to see how it translates to court with addition of players (admittedly we're in an awful situation with the cap. A nice parting gift our previous owner left us)

Only a matter of time before it's turned around though. Powerful hungry ownership group won't stop till it's done. Probably take a few years and a total re-haul though :-/

 

[Charbel]

Now I don't know much about any NBA, but fucken welcome back man. It's been a while someone posted a decent tactic related post...with like a hundred vids and you posting under each one which minute to watch.

 

[Senatore_M84]

ps. Jerry West wants to trade Monta off the Warriors.

Torn emotions....

Monta is simply the most specacular player in the NBa, and a player who is 100% heart and a joy to watch in person. He exudes Warriors....

At the same time, Curry is better and has played better when Monta has been out of the lineup. Reason is Monta tends to dominate the ball (like Kobe etc.) but he's just not THAT good. Steph has it in him to be a pure PG. West being the genius he is, recognizes this. Fans won't be happy though, Monta is by far the biggest crowd favorite.

In games Monta hasn't played, Steph has averaged 23 points, 8 assists, 5 rebounds.. more efficiently than Rose, westbrook etc. (mostly cause he shoots like Nash/Allen/Dirk levels.

Steph + those 3 are only players who are in the '180' club. Aka a player who's 3 percentages FG, 3PT and FT add up to 180. It's impressive shit. Curry shot 48% FGs, 44% 3pt, 94% FTs (led league their).

Both are of course defensive liabilities a la Jason Terry...

At the same time, I don't want to buy they can't play together. I truly blame our coaches who literally give Monta a blank check to do whatever and never punish him when he takes bad shots.

I believe a good coach can get them playing together. Steph running the show, and Monta slashing off of him (like he used to in 2008 when we had baron Davis running the show). But I get the argument for trading Monta for defense too...

I just wanna see them stick it out. They're both still young, super talented and need some proper guidance. Even if they are small

i'll shed a tear if we do it ;'(


[/ Sappy youtube vid of the highest scoring backcourt in NBA ]

 

[Senatore_M84]

And just to remind you Dirk. I love you.... but who's your daddy:




and you're wrong about Kobe, Madridista.... Kobe is by far the most hated player in the NBA outside of Southern California. He's loathed by all other fans. LEbron was actually loved until this year and becoming a complete punk


I do enjoy my norcal/socal Warrior-Lakers battles. Last couple years it's literally been Kobe v. Monta with both going for 38




They get into way too much of a pissing contest though. It's kinda funny... 4th quarter turns into "Fuck you team, I'm doing me" mode for both players
Monta Ellis Vs. Kobe Bryant Battle... Of Snarly-Faces

some quotes-
Kobe Bryant said this month about Monta being an All Star quote

"Absolutely. He's a fantastic player. Offensively he's complete.”

Of course Monta got snubbed cause he's tatted up, doesn't speak well or self promote (he also turned down chance to play for Team USA so I'm positive stern hates him)

Monta about who is best player in NBA:

“I’m going to say LeBron James(notes) [third],” Ellis said recently. “He can do it all, pass, score, defend, block shots. No. 2, I would have to say, me. I can do a whole lot of things: defend, score, make passes, do whatever I need to do.

“No. 1, I’d say Kobe Bryant. There isn’t one player that can stop Kobe one-on-one. He has a lot of stuff. He can defend. And of course, he won four championships.”

LOL MONTA. Love your confidence but...no

 

[Ash]

By the way, you all know, I love to make fun of mavericks for our historic upset of them in 2007. We've always owned them (random, lol). but I got a lot of respect for Cuban, because Dallas was basically the clippers or warriors before he owned them. A joke, always cutting money, and he sunk a lot of money into redoing the organization, making them first class and becoming a consistent winner.

I'm expecting same from our new owners. So far i'm not dissapointed.
-Hired Jerry West to the front office :O.
-Hired Mark Jackson (Hand down Man down! Momma, there goes that man!".
-Hired Bob Myers (powerful agent) to our front office

Now it's time to see how it translates to court with addition of players (admittedly we're in an awful situation with the cap. A nice parting gift our previous owner left us)

Only a matter of time before it's turned around though. Powerful hungry ownership group won't stop till it's done. Probably take a few years and a total re-haul though :-/

Mothafucka you back and the first thing you do is post about basketball?



Where is the love for the Rossoneri, or BGP?








P.S. - Welcome Back!!!

 

[Senatore_M84]

Now I don't know much about any NBA, but fucken welcome back man. It's been a while someone posted a decent tactic related post...with like a hundred vids and you posting under each one which minute to watch.

Mothafucka you back and the first thing you do is post about basketball?



Where is the love for the Rossoneri, or BGP?






P.S. - Welcome Back!!!

who said i'm back? the football forum are too frustrating... just wanted to leave some love/knowledge here.

Besides everyone knows I love Milan and our esteemed #10.



Deshawn's my *****:

 

[Charbel]

So, we at the football forums are don't deserve that love/knowledge of yours?

 

[Senatore_M84]

So, we at the football forums are don't deserve that love/knowledge of yours?

stop sullying my thread. Take it to PM.

I only posted here for shiby, saber rider, fertygo, milan07, congo, sash and my international bballer's. I felt bad not posting during playoffs. They were great

Now step back and enjoy







(I'll post eventually, i got too many thoughts that it's hard to begin)

 

[Sasha]

Warriors will win 34-40 games next year.

Mike Brown =

But I will wait til the season starts. Still...

 

[Senatore_M84]

We'll make the playoffs. Bookmark this. Won 36 with the worst coach in NBA and no bench...

I like Mike Brown, tbh. Everyone blames him for cleveland, but as you can see... it wasn't his fault. How can the team not be good enough to help Lebron, yet somehow it's brown's fault for not turning mo williams and anderson zarejao into great playerS??

Personally, if Lakers stay healthy, I like there chances. Embarrassment will fuel them. They are still the most talented "TEAM". They just looked like they were going thru the motions last year thinking they could turn it on.



Red bull king of the rock
i'll be there

 

[Sasha]

Mike Brown is a ******.



His team won't be like Phil's. DFish is gonna have to do a lot more work, but he's 38.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Phil lost the team. It was pretty obvious.

Thought Fisher was gonna retire. He's been playing retired for like 2 years now...

 

[Senatore_M84]

ultimate swag:

http://worldredeye.com/2011/06/mavericks-take-over-liv/

LOL the custodian, brian cardinal and dirk partying hard

 

[Madridista]

Jason Kidd

hes a guy who likes to throw balls out of bounds. Racks up TOs because of his obsession of making assists whenever possible even if its better to shoot. always hated his guts, same goes for Jason Terry 'the jet' and Shawn Marion 'the matrix'. WTF are these nicknames for such godugly players

 

[Senatore_M84]

hes a guy who likes to throw balls out of bounds. Racks up TOs because of his obsession of making assists whenever possible even if its better to shoot. always hated his guts, same goes for Jason Terry 'the jet' and Shawn Marion 'the matrix'. WTF are these nicknames for such godugly players

Ummm.only chris paul (god) has better assist to turnover ratio to kidd in nba now. Godly passer. Yeah kidds never been a good shooter till now but it doesn't matter. Passing, defense, rebounding. Straight winner. Makes everyone better. Takes some awful teams to playoffs. Id rather have kidd or rondo than a selfish scorer unless they're efficient like dirk, durant, lebron, etc. Don't think you realize how good nba players are. They can all shoot when open.

BTW, knowing you're a poor shooter and not taking the shots is a skill. Every team Kidd's been on has been a top offensive team, because he finds the open man and better shots. High hoops iq

Marion was the matrix in phoenix cause he played/guarded every position. He's always been an underrated player (even though his jump shot is one of the ugliest things in NBA. He rebounds like a center and can guard anyone, and scores w/o needing the ball)

No clue on jet. Terry annoys me too but he's always been our bitch


But if were gonna talk ugly you gotta mention lebron and wade. Wtf is that jump shot. 5 year olds have better form. Elbow in......

 

[TavMania]

Raptors are going to sign Dwane Casey as their head coach

 

[Madridista]

Ummm.only chris paul (god) has better assist to turnover ratio to kidd in nba now. Godly passer. Yeah kidds never been a good shooter till now but it doesn't matter. Passing, defense, rebounding. Straight winner. Makes everyone better. Takes some awful teams to playoffs. Id rather have kidd or rondo than a selfish scorer unless they're efficient like dirk, durant, lebron, etc. Don't think you realize how good nba players are. They can all shoot when open.

BTW, knowing you're a poor shooter and not taking the shots is a skill. Every team Kidd's been on has been a top offensive team, because he finds the open man and better shots. High hoops iq

Marion was the matrix in phoenix cause he played/guarded every position. He's always been an underrated player (even though his jump shot is one of the ugliest things in NBA. He rebounds like a center and can guard anyone, and scores w/o needing the ball)

No clue on jet. Terry annoys me too but he's always been our bitch


But if were gonna talk ugly you gotta mention lebron and wade. Wtf is that jump shot. 5 year olds have better form. Elbow in......

I'd take your word on the assist to turnover ratio though I hardly believe it was also like that this season too. His passing has deteriorated from what it used to be and hes very unaccurate now. The only reason why he keeps his stats is because he just passes the ball. Lebron for me is a much better passer of the ball, so is D Rose, but they both shoot a lot so they don't have the same amount of assists. Kidd is not even that bad of a shooter, hes just convinced himself that assisting is his 'thing'. I mean who passes when theres a clear shot available?

Chris Paul is god though. The first game at Lakers this series has been the best performance in the playoff, Rose, Dirk, Wade, Lebron all of them icluded. He just cant achieve consistency after all those injries.

As for Lebron/Wade their greatest skill is getting to the rim but both of them (esp Lebron) managed to hit some threes in the buildup to the finals so they suddenly think theyre Jordan and start doing jumpshots. They are stupid, they didn't play their game.

 

[Senatore_M84]

yeah chris paul is by far my favorite player in NBA (not on the WarriorS). He will be greatest PG of all time, by time he retires. Did you know he's only player to ever average 20 points/10 assists a game for a whole season more than once? Not Magic. Not Nash. Not Stockton. Not West. Not Robertson etc.

The fact he carries an awful team to playoffs in west says it all. If he ever went anywhere w/ a half decent team, they'd be a fixture in finals every year...

Kidd's definitely not what he was but he's still an intelligent player. You got to realize what he's doing at 38 is just amazing.... In his prime he was just awesome to watch. It's funny you say Rose. Rose is one of my fav's to watch (who doesn't like him) but he's not a great passer and turns it over a lot. For Kidd has 2.2 turnovers a game. Rose had 3.4. Then again Rose is an explosive scorer, Kidd's never been.

For me Rose is kind of the PG version of Dwayne Wade. He's just so explosive. But he's not a natural PG like Paul (who truly controls games). Still doesn't make him bad just different style. I prefer players like Paul.

Lebron is the best player in the NBA btw. It's hard to argue. I don't like him... but fact's are facts. And as weird as it is, he's more talented than MJ was. In that, his full potential is probably higher (if he ever reaches it). But for whatever reason, he lacks the work ethic of MJ, Kobe etc. It's well documented he doesn't practice on his own much etc. Just soo natural MJ/Kobe for all their gifts were gym rats. They'd shoot for hours by themselves after games. If you wanna take it to football, think of Cristiano Ronaldo v. Ronaldinho. Ronaldo's work ethic is well documented. How Fergie had to make him stop training when he'd be practicing for 3 hours by himself after training etc. As opposed to Ronaldinho, who was just so natural

So in a sick way... Lebron's actually underachieving for his talent. But if we're honest, even now he's best overall player. Scores at will, amazing passer for his size, rebounds like a center, lock down defender etc. At some point they'll win it all. But I won't cheer for it for a variety of reasons.

I think you're not creditting Dallas' D though. Carlisle ran an excellent zone and clogged the middle. The problem for Miami (and I blame spoelstra 100%) is they couldnt break the zone. You break the zone by hitting 3s. Spoelstra never plauyed James jones who'se a knock down 3 point shooter. If Jones started hitting 3's (from passes from Lebron/Wade) Dallas would have to switch to man to man and it'd have been game over....

 

[Benz_1803]

hah

 

[Saber Rider]

Phil lost the team. It was pretty obvious.

Thought Fisher was gonna retire. He's been playing retired for like 2 years now...

Just like guy from your avatar.

P.S. I'm glad you're back bro. Don't make some shit again, cause talking bball without you isn't the same.

 

[Saber Rider]

yeah chris paul is by far my favorite player in NBA (not on the WarriorS). He will be greatest PG of all time, by time he retires. Did you know he's only player to ever average 20 points/10 assists a game for a whole season more than once? Not Magic. Not Nash. Not Stockton. Not West. Not Robertson etc.

The fact he carries an awful team to playoffs in west says it all. If he ever went anywhere w/ a half decent team, they'd be a fixture in finals every year...

Kidd's definitely not what he was but he's still an intelligent player. You got to realize what he's doing at 38 is just amazing.... In his prime he was just awesome to watch. It's funny you say Rose. Rose is one of my fav's to watch (who doesn't like him) but he's not a great passer and turns it over a lot. For Kidd has 2.2 turnovers a game. Rose had 3.4. Then again Rose is an explosive scorer, Kidd's never been.

For me Rose is kind of the PG version of Dwayne Wade. He's just so explosive. But he's not a natural PG like Paul (who truly controls games). Still doesn't make him bad just different style. I prefer players like Paul.

Lebron is the best player in the NBA btw. It's hard to argue. I don't like him... but fact's are facts. And as weird as it is, he's more talented than MJ was. In that, his full potential is probably higher (if he ever reaches it). But for whatever reason, he lacks the work ethic of MJ, Kobe etc. It's well documented he doesn't practice on his own much etc. Just soo natural MJ/Kobe for all their gifts were gym rats. They'd shoot for hours by themselves after games. If you wanna take it to football, think of Cristiano Ronaldo v. Ronaldinho. Ronaldo's work ethic is well documented. How Fergie had to make him stop training when he'd be practicing for 3 hours by himself after training etc. As opposed to Ronaldinho, who was just so natural

So in a sick way... Lebron's actually underachieving for his talent. But if we're honest, even now he's best overall player. Scores at will, amazing passer for his size, rebounds like a center, lock down defender etc. At some point they'll win it all. But I won't cheer for it for a variety of reasons.

I think you're not creditting Dallas' D though. Carlisle ran an excellent zone and clogged the middle. The problem for Miami (and I blame spoelstra 100%) is they couldnt break the zone. You break the zone by hitting 3s. Spoelstra never plauyed James jones who'se a knock down 3 point shooter. If Jones started hitting 3's (from passes from Lebron/Wade) Dallas would have to switch to man to man and it'd have been game over....

Rose is the best PG right now in the league, Paul is the best pure playmaker, Kidd is the best PG in the game since Magic Johnson and RRondo is a fraud.

I told you that LBJ doesn't have enough IQ. He has best body in history of this game and still he didn't work on himself, so he can't finish attack over JJ Barea who is 20 cms shorter and 30 kgs lighter than him.

Lack of work ethic.


Spoelstra is yellowbelly. "We need mental stability...blah..blah...blah", and Mavs were killing them in those moments. Still he did NOTHING to prevent it.

Off topic: I'm glad that Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Jet and my boy Peja finally won LOB trophy. This was their last hurrah.

 

[TavMania]

Draft is June 23rd mark it on your caldendar

 

[Madridista]

Kidd's definitely not what he was but he's still an intelligent player. You got to realize what he's doing at 38 is just amazing.... In his prime he was just awesome to watch. It's funny you say Rose. Rose is one of my fav's to watch (who doesn't like him) but he's not a great passer and turns it over a lot. For Kidd has 2.2 turnovers a game. Rose had 3.4. Then again Rose is an explosive scorer, Kidd's never been.

For me Rose is kind of the PG version of Dwayne Wade. He's just so explosive. But he's not a natural PG like Paul (who truly controls games). Still doesn't make him bad just different style. I prefer players like Paul.

Well there are different kind of turnovers, those of Kidd are probably 99% poor passes, while Rose because he has many other aspects of the game making him more involved in attack, he can lose it on dribble, on shots etc. When it comes to pure passing ability Rose for me is better than Kidd. He would have also had double-double stats if the rest of the Bulls arent such a rugged defensively expert and offensively challenged squad.

Lebron is the best player in the NBA btw. It's hard to argue. I don't like him... but fact's are facts. And as weird as it is, he's more talented than MJ was. In that, his full potential is probably higher (if he ever reaches it). But for whatever reason, he lacks the work ethic of MJ, Kobe etc. It's well documented he doesn't practice on his own much etc. Just soo natural MJ/Kobe for all their gifts were gym rats. They'd shoot for hours by themselves after games. If you wanna take it to football, think of Cristiano Ronaldo v. Ronaldinho. Ronaldo's work ethic is well documented. How Fergie had to make him stop training when he'd be practicing for 3 hours by himself after training etc. As opposed to Ronaldinho, who was just so natural

So in a sick way... Lebron's actually underachieving for his talent. But if we're honest, even now he's best overall player. Scores at will, amazing passer for his size, rebounds like a center, lock down defender etc. At some point they'll win it all. But I won't cheer for it for a variety of reasons.

Lebron's head lets him down. Thats all there is to it. Lack of intelligence, lack of composure, lack of tactical awareness, responsibility all of it. You can't be the best without these mental aspects. Actually it is the mental aspects that make you the best. Lebron is the most talented I give you that and by the way he looks I doubt he doesn't train enough. The problem is much of these mental issues he has arrive from the insane amount of hate/pressure he receives. Its shocking for me to see someone who has a generally nice and likable character being hated so much. And its only going to get worse after this series so if I had to make a prediction, I'd say he might never be able to bounce back and will just get worse with time.

I think you're not creditting Dallas' D though. Carlisle ran an excellent zone and clogged the middle. The problem for Miami (and I blame spoelstra 100%) is they couldnt break the zone. You break the zone by hitting 3s. Spoelstra never plauyed James jones who'se a knock down 3 point shooter. If Jones started hitting 3's (from passes from Lebron/Wade) Dallas would have to switch to man to man and it'd have been game over....

Completely agree there. I think earlier in the thread I mentioned Spoelstra, in terms of wtf was his job out there, to smile sarcastically all the time and let individual plays decide games? Miami had no countermeasures for Dallas and were much more static on the floor. It was the same against Chicago, but the bulls arent that good shooters like the Mavs and at the same time Miami were luckily hitting their shots. Still I think James and Wade should have been more determined into forcing their way through to the basket, hence the pathetic amount of FTs they got. Use your strengths ffs, but nooo Lebron wanted to show hes an unselfish player too and that he can be elegant. stfu ****** and push that monster body of yours closer to the rim!

btw I also noticed the lack of playing time Jones got, I have no idea why was that, he was great during the season, maybe it had to do with Bibby arrival (what a waste of a player) and a different set of rotations. But I was also disappointed at how Mike Miller was shooting in the finals. I thought he was a better at threes.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Rose is the best PG right now in the league, Paul is the best pure playmaker, Kidd is the best PG in the game since Magic Johnson and RRondo is a fraud.

I told you that LBJ doesn't have enough IQ. He has best body in history of this game and still he didn't work on himself, so he can't finish attack over JJ Barea who is 20 cms shorter and 30 kgs lighter than him.

Lack of work ethic.


Spoelstra is yellowbelly. "We need mental stability...blah..blah...blah", and Mavs were killing them in those moments. Still he did NOTHING to prevent it.

Off topic: I'm glad that Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Jet and my boy Peja finally won LOB trophy. This was their last hurrah.

omg, not the Rose topic again

Ok just to make it clear, let me state this AGAIN as clear as possible-

I LOVE Derrick Rose. I find him one of most exciting players to watch. I love his personality (he exemplifies swag, has his own unique style and the way he carries himself). he's humble, he's incredibly hard worker. He's everything you root for.

But as a player he is the most overrated player in the NBA since iverson. His impact on wins is just not their. He turns it over a lot. He shoots poor percentages. He takes a lot of dumb shots. He's more raw talent than actual production yet. Chicago might be best defensive team since iverson's 6ers btw. He's literally surrounded by 8 top teir defenders. Players like Deng,. Brewer, Bogans, Noah, Gibson, Watson.... lock down defenders.

82games.com studies players impacts on 5game lineups. If you read the article you'll find out their founder is an assistant for Dallas. Rose's impact simply isn't the same as Lebron, Howard, Paul. When they go out of game, their teams suffer. When Rose goes out, Chicago is fine. They score less BUT they also allow less points...

I'm willing to bet you, if paul was in chicago over Rose they'd be better. He'd get everyone more involved. Whatever those. Rose is 22, guy's GOING TO be great (not their yet )

Well there are different kind of turnovers, those of Kidd are probably 99% poor passes, while Rose because he has many other aspects of the game making him more involved in attack, he can lose it on dribble, on shots etc. When it comes to pure passing ability Rose for me is better than Kidd. He would have also had double-double stats if the rest of the Bulls arent such a rugged defensively expert and offensively challenged squad.

You got it out for Kidd man. Because that's false. I don't know if you just saw a poor game or what. But accoring to hoopdata and synergy (two reputable sites that NBA teams use to chart stats), Kidd turns it over 2nd least teams via pass (Again to paul) in entire NBA. Rose turns it over more.

There's simply no way to say Kidd's a bad passer in any regard. It's like trying to say Xavi isn't a great passer. Just concede fact he can pass, and hate them for looking like leprechauns or something.

Lebron's head lets him down. Thats all there is to it. Lack of intelligence, lack of composure, lack of tactical awareness, responsibility all of it. You can't be the best without these mental aspects. Actually it is the mental aspects that make you the best. Lebron is the most talented I give you that and by the way he looks I doubt he doesn't train enough. The problem is much of these mental issues he has arrive from the insane amount of hate/pressure he receives. Its shocking for me to see someone who has a generally nice and likable character being hated so much. And its only going to get worse after this series so if I had to make a prediction, I'd say he might never be able to bounce back and will just get worse with time.

I might buy the mental aspect, but I don't get how people can say he has a low hoops IQ. (@ Saber rider)

Dude averaged over 25 ppg, and over 8 apg last 3 years. On HIGH HIGH efficiency. Rose doesn't average as many assists as him and he's a PG. High hoops IQ is making the right play. Which means scoring when it's open (efficiency) or passing when it's not (high assist efficiency).

That stuff is definition of high hoops IQ.

I can't explain what happened in finals except Dallas just worked harder AS A TEAM. And Miami never became one. They played whole season iso-ball. One playe Lebron goes 1 on 1 and makes a play. Next position, Wade does.

And the way he just stopped playing in 4th was particularly upsetting. Dude's best talent in NBA. Don't play like you're luol deng. He looked afraid of the moment.

Completely agree there. I think earlier in the thread I mentioned Spoelstra, in terms of wtf was his job out there, to smile sarcastically all the time and let individual plays decide games? Miami had no countermeasures for Dallas and were much more static on the floor. It was the same against Chicago, but the bulls arent that good shooters like the Mavs and at the same time Miami were luckily hitting their shots. Still I think James and Wade should have been more determined into forcing their way through to the basket, hence the pathetic amount of FTs they got. Use your strengths ffs, but nooo Lebron wanted to show hes an unselfish player too and that he can be elegant. stfu ****** and push that monster body of yours closer to the rim!

btw I also noticed the lack of playing time Jones got, I have no idea why was that, he was great during the season, maybe it had to do with Bibby arrival (what a waste of a player) and a different set of rotations. But I was also disappointed at how Mike Miller was shooting in the finals. I thought he was a better at threes.

Spoelstra was excellent all year. But in the finals, no denying he was bad. Poor rotation, lack of ideas etc.

Reminded me of Thiboneau in previous round. Amazing year with Cihcago but in eastern conference finals, he just looked bad...



edit: Fun fact on Lebron. He didn't lift weights until 3 years ago......

He's a genetic freak.

 

[BrasilianMilan]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but who here is a Lakers fan??

Btw, I think Dallas really deserved to win, cuz I hate the Heat esp. LeBron -or LeChoke

 

[Senatore_M84]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but who here is a Lakers fan??

Btw, I think Dallas really deserved to win, cuz I hate the Heat esp. LeBron -or LeChoke

NOT ME! Hate the lakers... though I'll admit I have a level of respect for Kobe that's quietly developed. He is overrated though. Not an all-time great like MJ, Magic, Bird etc., but a fun player to watch


"Hey, why don't you loan lebron a dollar?"

Because he'll only give you 3 quarters back

 

[Madridista]

Come on, Kobe definitely is an all time great. Five rings, top scorer, defender, 81 point game, his overall ability... if it wasn't for Jordan he would have been the greatest.

 

[Shiby]

Since Senatore was banned I don´t know if I ever checked basketball thread so now I got some reading to do.

WB dude!

You taking part of Red Bull competition or just as a spectator? In Slovenia invitations were out about a month behind. What kind of players compete there?
For me... I hate playing 1 on 1. Too short, too weak and not a great shooter. So I am actually missing most important skills Being quick with good handles is crap if the opposite player is playing backdown whole match

On NBA. I love that Dirk, Kidd and Jet made it. Sooooo deserved.
I once was a huge fan of Lebron but now I don´t like him. Right decision going out of Cleveland but wrong decision picking Miami. Should chose New York or something.
Anyway... I am still 100% sure he will win the title. Nba can´t afford that the "BIG 3" fails year after year.

Rose deserved MVP title

EDIT: I forgot M.Cuban best owner. Loved his twitter message: this will sound weird. Im laying in bed. with the trophy next me.#dreamcometrue