Andrea Pirlo Thread

[GreatKalu]

Oh, so Pirlo only gets marked out of games when in the center during UCL matches. That isn't a problem in Serie A. Then why would Allegri not play him in the center in Serie A matches?

 

[Ashish]

Refs wins serie a .. why would coach care about a rigged league

 

[Casualista]

Refs wins serie a .. why would coach care about a rigged league

 

[GreatKalu]

Doesn't make sense still. Your assessment as to why we failed to stop Pirlo AND the reason Allegri gave don't match.

The reason is simple. And I'll tell you why. Milan failed to get a hold of the ball. Pirlo ... er, I mean Juve, did. Hence we ended up chasing the ball all game long.

 

[Ashish]

..please

 

[Sage]

pirlo didn't do jack shit in the 1-1 game, which Milan could have won if the FIGC weren't bribed by jube.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Doesn't make sense still. Your assessment as to why we failed to stop Pirlo AND the reason Allegri gave don't match.

The reason is simple. And I'll tell you why. Milan failed to get a hold of the ball. Pirlo ... er, I mean Juve, did. Hence we ended up chasing the ball all game long.

That they have been so successful in doing so is mostly attributable to one factor; whatever formation they were asked to play, the tactical system remained the same. Conte has made his players value possession and they enjoyed an average of 61.1%, comfortably the best in Italy and only bettered by Barcelona (69.5%) and Bayern Munich (63.6%) anywhere in Europe. By playing a pressing game and condensing the field they were able to retrieve the ball quickly and, once they had it, their passing was superb, again topping all Serie A clubs with 85.4%, a total good enough for fifth place on the continent.

At the centre of that passing game – far more direct and patient than the tiqui-taca of Barcelona – is the man responsible for the shelving of the 4-2-4, Andrea Pirlo. Placed back in the middle of a midfield trio after being shunted out to the left hand side by Massimiliano Allegri in his final injury plagued season at Milan, the 32 year-old has been perhaps the sides’ best player this term. His 3134 completed passes (made at an average of 87.1 per game) is a higher total than anyone in Europe’s top five leagues and is over 800 passes more than his nearest domestic rival, Lazio’s Cristian Ledesma (2321). That he has done so at a completion rate of 86.9% is similarly impressive while his league highs of 13 assists and 3.5 key passes per game is simply stunning from a man written off less than twelve months ago.

http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/8z5d35cgnuowk1hghz3trw/Show/Team-Focus-Serie-A-Champions-Juventus

Pirlo

 

[jammin]

pirlo didn't do jack shit in the 1-1 game, which Milan could have won if the FIGC weren't bribed by jube.

add to the fact no Zlatan, no Nesta, unfit Pato and the squad coming off an exhausting week...

 

[Dark Knight]

Refs wins serie a .. why would coach care about a rigged league

champs league quarter final exits .. much more glamorous

 

[Sage]

CL quarters are worth more than a rigged backwards provincial league, that's for sure.

 

[Dark Knight]

That they have been so successful in doing so is mostly attributable to one factor; whatever formation they were asked to play, the tactical system remained the same. Conte has made his players value possession and they enjoyed an average of 61.1%, comfortably the best in Italy and only bettered by Barcelona (69.5%) and Bayern Munich (63.6%) anywhere in Europe. By playing a pressing game and condensing the field they were able to retrieve the ball quickly and, once they had it, their passing was superb, again topping all Serie A clubs with 85.4%, a total good enough for fifth place on the continent.



At the centre of that passing game – far more direct and patient than the tiqui-taca of Barcelona – is the man responsible for the shelving of the 4-2-4, Andrea Pirlo. Placed back in the middle of a midfield trio after being shunted out to the left hand side by Massimiliano Allegri in his final injury plagued season at Milan, the 32 year-old has been perhaps the sides’ best player this term. His 3134 completed passes (made at an average of 87.1 per game) is a higher total than anyone in Europe’s top five leagues and is over 800 passes more than his nearest domestic rival, Lazio’s Cristian Ledesma (2321). That he has done so at a completion rate of 86.9% is similarly impressive while his league highs of 13 assists and 3.5 key passes per game is simply stunning from a man written off less than http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/8z5d35cgnuowk1hghz3trw/Show/Team-Focus-Serie-A-Champions-Juventus

Pirlo

Grazie Senatore.

 

[Ashish]

champs league quarter final exits .. much more glamorous

of course moar money moar competitive and unbiased tournament ..
thats what wants

you are italian right ?

 

[Sage]

I don't think he's italian.


probably a character straight out of DC comics.

 

[Ashish]

I am joking batman .. i have nothing against your country .. just trolling ..

enjoy

 

[Wild]

Thats a main reason why Xavi is far superior than Pirlo.
The guy is a performance machine.
He has been playing 60+ games per season for so long now & I honestly cant count 5 games per season where one can say he has played bad.
Even when Barca used to play bad then Xavi is surely the least to suck.
Imagine Essien just for a much longer time while achieving all.
On the other hand Pirlo used to perform good only in a handful of games.

The first player doesnt need more than wearing the shirt to be motivated & give his all for the team while Pirlo doesnt really care as much.
Its really sad coz when you are unmotivated when you are 28 playing with a great team having a great squad that could dominate the world then you are a fucking looser.
Milan were better telling him to fuck off back then & it would have been better for both parties.

 

[Casualista]

Its all about the moments. no one cares if they didnt give their all week in week out. Who cares about not turning up for bologna when they scored against madrid. A few seconds is all it takes to get legends tag here.

 

[Sage]

some people love player over club, it's simple.

 

[Wild]

Oops

 

[Senatore_M84]

I honestly dont get you.
Its like your love for a player , who you wouldnt even love as much if he wasnt criticized by the likes of me , is bigger than your love for Milan after its obvious that he just wasnt giving his all to the team.
Thats why I hated ****** since he kept on playing Pirlo & Seedorf despite the fact they dont give their 100% allowing them to feel secure no matter what denying us from dominating the world with probably the most balanced squad that ever assembled.
If we had a coach who will bench field players according to their performance then Pirlo & Seedorf would have probably work hard & hence serving more Milan.
I really feel sad that our 2005 team underachieved due to family shit thingy.
Thats a reason why I always had problems with Ance , Pirlo & Seedorf.

is my love for pirlo bigger than my love for milan?

Maybe I'm getting older, maybe i'm more cynical, I'm not sure. After sheva and after Kaka.... i just stopped caring so much about traitor thing. In both their cases, I'll only thing positive about them. Same can be said for pirlo. I was a bit rasher before, w/e. Emotional


From a aestetic pov, i love what pirlo brings. No pirlo, and i honestly think our football has been insanely boring for 2 years. I watch every game, i nearly fall asleep. On the flip side, I think juventus have been most entertaining side this year cause of pirlo. Beyond that, i like his personality, i like his style. He's a complex character, i like him. I don't deny such.


I think it was a mistake to let pirlo go. I think it was a bigger mistake to constantly sign players who diminish his impact (we had a maestro, no need for ronaldinho... sign etoo).


I do feel somewhat vindicated by what's happened this season which proves my point. He is a world class player, and he does make a team click like few players.

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That's my only point. I wish in 2007 on we did build a team around pirlo and kaka's strengths. IE have kaka play off a mobile forward, and add mobility to midfield w/ pirlo holding it together/dictating play.


I feel he was incredibly wasted for 4 years, not because he played poorly, but because his passes were in vain.

He'd make a great pass to ronaldinho, ron would STOP on the ball. Same with Seedorf. That's just how they play. They don't leech onto balls like pepe, marchisio, vucinic. They want to stand and think and dance.


Two things can be opposite and equally true, my friend.
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All that said, I don't want pirlo back. I just want him replaced properly.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Thats a main reason why Xavi is far superior than Pirlo.
The guy is a performance machine.
He has been playing 60+ games per season for so long now & I honestly cant count 5 games per season where one can say he has played bad.
Even when Barca used to play bad then Xavi is surely the least to suck.
Imagine Essien just for a much longer time while achieving all.

xavi is a marginally better player.

but first off, pirlo also played a ridiculous amount of games for last decade years-

2011/12- 53 (+ euros coming)
2010/11- 33
2009/10- 56
2008/9- 50
2007/8- 41
2006/7- 62
2005/6- 48
2004/5- 49
2003/4- 42

that's off espn.com, who has kind of a inaccurate total of internationals pre-2008


But anyway-

Don't deny issue of movement, and squad.

Pirlo saw a decline when milan became static. Barca never became static. As brilliant a passer as xavi is, as great as his vision is.... he can't pass to a run that's never made. And he can't assist players who don't score regularly.

 

[Wild]

You crowned him king of the world to early man.
Remember that while Milan having a shit midfield they edged us only by small margin due to refs mistakes & bad luck.
We would be sucking Al's dick & Pirlo wouldnt be mentioned if we took the title.
Juve were always favored in Italy & seems those days are back so wait till CL next season before praising him as much.
My prediction is that they will get destroyed by any semi good team unless ..... they upgraded big time.

And Milan now are much more entertaining that Ance's last few season even with a much better squad.

About Pirlo & Xavi , Pirlo do play big amount of games probably same as Xavi but the latter present much more good games than the first , the ratio is insanely big.

 

[Senatore_M84]

You crowned him king of the world to early man.
Remember that while Milan having a shit midfield they edged us only by small margin due to refs mistakes & bad luck.
We would be sucking Al's dick & Pirlo wouldnt be mentioned if we took the title.
Juve were always favored in Italy & seems those days are back so wait till CL next season before praising him as much.
My prediction is that they will get destroyed by any semi good team unless ..... they upgraded big time.

And Milan now are much more entertaining that Ance's last few season even with a much better squad.

About Pirlo & Xavi , Pirlo do play big amount of games probably same as Xavi but the latter present much more good games than the first , the ratio is insanely big.

i don't disagree with you on juve needing some major upgrades if they want to compete at a higher level, but it's a testament to how big an impact pirlo had.

i love marchisio and vidal. Great players.

And cheillini is 2nd best cb in italy, top 5 in world. But beyond that, it's a team made up of midtable quality players. Pepe, giaccherini, estergarribia, vucinic, quagliarella etc.

All of whom were lifted by impact pirlo brings.


I haven't seen xavi play with that little talent, ever.

 

[Eccolo]

The thing about Xavi is until circa 2008-2009 he wasnt talked about as one of the worlds greatest midfielders. Two things changed that season

A) He got a new position slightly higher up the pitch (10-15m) which meant he got closer to the opponents goal

B) Before Guardiola arrivied Barcelona wasnt as mobile as we have come to know them. Its easy to see Xavi rise as being a WC midfielder as being strongely connected to a far more mobile Bareclona. Its also easy to see why he hasnt been as succesful this season: Age (more injuries) and Barcelona being less mobile.

You can be the best passer in the world but if there is no one running there is no one to pass to.

 

[Casualista]

there is nothing to suggest xavi will under perform if put in pirlo's situation.

 

[Wild]

The thing about Xavi is until circa 2008-2009 he wasnt talked about as one of the worlds greatest midfielders. Two things changed that season

Maybe you didnt notice.
But I did long time before.

All of whom were lifted by impact pirlo brings.

VanB could easily claim more attribute.
While Vidal & Marc are kick ass players so in a way you dont need much to elevate them.
On the other hand elevating Noce , Ema , Munt & co , now thats impressive.
Or was it Munt who elevated Milan ?
Hey maybe Noce elevated Milan.
See the trend ?
Why not Marc & Vidal elevating Pirlo ?
Just coz he is the passer & they are the runners that deosnt mean he is better.
If they dont run he wouldnt pass.
Gatu performed better than Pirlo in world cup & yet Pirlo is praised more for that cup.
That said , Pirlo - Vidal - Marc barey edged Munt - Noce - Ema -- > wooopsyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Lets see him in CL against a Barca or a Real or a Chelsea or a City.

I haven't seen xavi play with that little talent, ever.

Well my own speculation is that he will perform better.
In fact if he played with Juve he will have 1478 assists.
I dare you to prove me wrong.
Meanwhile , its easier to talk about performance that actually happen regardless.

 

[Senatore_M84]

VanB could easily claim more attribute.
While Vidal & Marc are kick ass players so in a way you dont need much to elevate them.
On the other hand elevating Noce , Ema , Munt & co , now thats impressive.
Or was it Munt who elevated Milan ?
Hey maybe Noce elevated Milan.
See the trend ?
Why not Marc & Vidal elevating Pirlo ?
Just coz he is the passer & they are the runners that deosnt mean he is better.
If they dont run he wouldnt pass.
Gatu performed better than Pirlo in world cup & yet Pirlo is praised more for that cup.
That said , Pirlo - Vidal - Marc barey edged Munt - Noce - Ema -- > wooopsyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Lets see him in CL against a Barca or a Real or a Chelsea or a City.

Like all things, its a yin-yang.

At the moment we lack a player like pirlo.

Nocerino, muntari, aren't same class at marchisio/vidal but they provide similar movements. (Boateng is same class, albiet different position)

Well my own speculation is that he will perform better.
In fact if he played with Juve he will have 1478 assists.
I dare you to prove me wrong.
Meanwhile , its easier to talk about performance that actually happen regardless.

Maybe, maybe not.

I think Xavi would do fine. No reason to think he wouldn't since he's a wonderful player.

I think Xavi in milan 07-10, would look a lot like pirlo. He'd dominate posession, spread play and lack assists because every ball would end up stopped.

 

[Eccolo]

Maybe you didnt notice.
But I did long time before.

I didnt say it was my opinion. You can for instance look at the Ballon d´or or FIFA world player of the year list to get a good grip what the general public thought about players at a specific time. Not once before 2008-2009 did he reach top 3.

Im not seeing he wasnt a WC before 2008-2009. But clearly something happend at the period that made the world look at him in a diffrent way. IMO the main thing that happen at the period of time and after that was the he played in teams with much more movement, both Spain and Barcelona, compared to before

FIFA Ballon d'Or Third place: 2010, 2011
Ballon d'Or Third place: 2009
FIFA World Player of the Year Third place: 2009
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award Second place: 2011
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2010
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year: 1999
La Liga Spanish Player of the Year: 2005
La Liga Midfielder of the Year: 2009, 2011
Trofeo Alfredo Di Stéfano Second place: 2010
UEFA Euro Player of the Tournament: 2008
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
UEFA Team of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09, 2010–11
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2011

 

[Wild]

BUT HE WILL CARE MORE & he will try more so am sure he would have performed better .....
You cant pay enough money to have heart.
Thats why I will respect a player like Gatu or Pippo much , much more than a Pirlo or a Dinho.

 

[Wild]

I didnt say it was my opinion. You can for instance look at the Ballon d´or or FIFA world player of the year list to get a good grip what the general public thought about players at a specific time. Not once before 2008-2009 did he reach top 3.

Im not seeing he wasnt a WC before 2008-2009. But clearly something happend at the period.

FIFA Ballon d'Or Third place: 2010, 2011
Ballon d'Or Third place: 2009
FIFA World Player of the Year Third place: 2009
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award Second place: 2011
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2010
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year: 1999
La Liga Spanish Player of the Year: 2005
La Liga Midfielder of the Year: 2009, 2011
Trofeo Alfredo Di Stéfano Second place: 2010
UEFA Euro Player of the Tournament: 2008
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
UEFA Team of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09, 2010–11
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2011

You have comparison on how many times Xavi & Pirlo nominated ?
I dont trust there opinion anyway but I even think Xavi got more.

 

[sushanmilano]

Maybe you didnt notice.
But I did long time before.



VanB could easily claim more attribute.
While Vidal & Marc are kick ass players so in a way you dont need much to elevate them.
On the other hand elevating Noce , Ema , Munt & co , now thats impressive.
Or was it Munt who elevated Milan ?
Hey maybe Noce elevated Milan.
See the trend ?
Why not Marc & Vidal elevating Pirlo ?
Just coz he is the passer & they are the runners that deosnt mean he is better.
If they dont run he wouldnt pass.
Gatu performed better than Pirlo in world cup & yet Pirlo is praised more for that cup.
That said , Pirlo - Vidal - Marc barey edged Munt - Noce - Ema -- > wooopsyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Lets see him in CL against a Barca or a Real or a Chelsea or a City.


Well my own speculation is that he will perform better.
In fact if he played with Juve he will have 1478 assists.
I dare you to prove me wrong.
Meanwhile , its easier to talk about performance that actually happen regardless.

Your logic is ridiculously bad. You are only making a comparison between the midfields of the team and saying we ran it close. Are you forgetting a certain Zlatan that we have and what strikers do Juventus possess?


Player Team Goals
1 Zlatan Ibrahimovic AC Milan 28






16 Marco Di Vaio Bologna 10
Mauricio Ferreira Pinilla Cagliari 10
Alessandro Matri Juventus 10