Antonio Nocerino Thread

[nuttela]

Its OK noce... score against your next opposition and be involved in play and they'll love you again surely

 

[Zafira]

Useless player. he adds nothing, doesn't create, doesn't shoot, can't pass, can't tackle, can gets past the defender.

 

[gaxhi]

We all know that he's not good but at least last year he ran a lot , this year he doesn't even play with his heart as he used to

 

[LemonCookies]

Dumbasses here A.) play too much Fifa 13 B.) can't analyze a football match or what goes on in one adequately. B2B midfielders aren't playmakers, ballwinners, wingers; they're, well, B2B midfielders(huh, who woulda' thought?). So, to expect the highest qualities from all of these other positions in a B2B is frankly inept. B2B midfielders work with utmost efficiency with a playmaker somewhere on the pitch. Nocerino played well with Ibra, Cassano, Aquaman for this simple fact. Now that we really have no creative forces upfront and only Monty with outstanding playmaking abilities in the midfield, Noce's left to hang and dry. For me, he's been average because of this. Noce does everything a midfielder is expected to do decently, but excels in areas that he's currently unable to perform because of the reasons I've posted above. Nocerino's hate is based on our current system, squad, and his own position; not Noce's inherent talent and ability. If you doubt the latter, you truly are either a complete buffoon or troll.

 

[Dzidzius]

but not sachi ,arrigo told last year that milan needs to wait and see is nocerino taht kinde of player and he told after parma game that he is one of most overrated players in last 10 years. agree compltyl

Sacchi is an old fart

I see the same problem here as with us blaming Senators for playing too often:

1) If Nocerino who is a simple, good squad player have that many responsibilities and he is failing then who gives him those resposibilities? Is it his gameplan given to him? If yes then coach should stop that as it isn't working.
2) If Noce is allowing that all by himself then coach should have balls to tell him to stop.

We need to remember that certain things aren't upto the players or at least they shouldn't be. Noce is a very useful player but he overachieved last year and his game plan this year is totally wrong but this guy can still contribute in a long season and we need him. He didn't become shit overnight but for some reason he overnight got resposibilities that far better players have.

It is pretty much same in all that current choas that Prince takes free kicks that he can't even cross from a dead ball - is it him? Has he been told to do that?

There is a certain issue across all team not only with Noce.

 

[Maldiniac]

<3

 

[sushanmilano]

Dumbasses here A.) play too much Fifa 13 B.) can't analyze a football match or what goes on in one adequately. B2B midfielders aren't playmakers, ballwinners, wingers; they're, well, B2B midfielders(huh, who woulda' thought?). So, to expect the highest qualities from all of these other positions in a B2B is frankly inept. B2B midfielders work with utmost efficiency with a playmaker somewhere on the pitch. Nocerino played well with Ibra, Cassano, Aquaman for this simple fact. Now that we really have no creative forces upfront and only Monty with outstanding playmaking abilities in the midfield, Noce's left to hang and dry. For me, he's been average because of this. Noce does everything a midfielder is expected to do decently, but excels in areas that he's currently unable to perform because of the reasons I've posted above. Nocerino's hate is based on our current system, squad, and his own position; not Noce's inherent talent and ability. If you doubt the latter, you truly are either a complete buffoon or troll.

Yes you are fully right. B2B midfielders are not supposed to be involved at all. Essien is a great B2B midfielder. He had no idea how to tackle, pass and relied on other players performance to make a name for himself.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Dumbasses here A.) play too much Fifa 13 B.) can't analyze a football match or what goes on in one adequately. B2B midfielders aren't playmakers, ballwinners, wingers; they're, well, B2B midfielders(huh, who woulda' thought?). So, to expect the highest qualities from all of these other positions in a B2B is frankly inept. B2B midfielders work with utmost efficiency with a playmaker somewhere on the pitch. Nocerino played well with Ibra, Cassano, Aquaman for this simple fact. Now that we really have no creative forces upfront and only Monty with outstanding playmaking abilities in the midfield, Noce's left to hang and dry. For me, he's been average because of this. Noce does everything a midfielder is expected to do decently, but excels in areas that he's currently unable to perform because of the reasons I've posted above. Nocerino's hate is based on our current system, squad, and his own position; not Noce's inherent talent and ability. If you doubt the latter, you truly are either a complete buffoon or troll.

you have a point and it's one i've made for boateng, but i'd agrue nocerino really is positionally inept.

He really does kind of leave others exposed by overpushing. Which is less of an issue if we can hold the ball. We can't though.

point is, i don't necessarily think nocerino, boateng or others have got worse. We just lack actual 'conductor' of the team. Least technical milan side i've ever seen

 

[sushanmilano]

I didn't say he should start over Montolivo, De Jong or Emanuelson (although I think Emanuelson is better further forward than as a mezz'ala anyway). I would probably choose him over Flamini but it would maybe depend on who we were playing.

It's not his fault if Max starts him, so I don't see why he gets hate. He hasn't fooled anyone - he was impressive last year, so he's playing this year. He didn't trick anyone, and he's played with a huge amount of heart in every game which I respect a lot. I have no problem with people not wanting him to start - I don't even think he should start really - but I don't understand why that turns into hating.

i would rather bojan and ses start on the wings of the 4-3-3 and urby/boateng as a mid. For a team devoid of creativity and unable to hold on to the ball for 5 seconds we cannot play someone at the crux of the problem. Heart is not enough, especially for a club like milan. Skill will always be the most important thing. If you watch serie a enough you know there is no shortage of players who play with heart. Its not a big deal and not worth sympathising with noce for. He is welcome to fuck off from the team.

 

[LemonCookies]

Yes you are fully right. B2B midfielders are not supposed to be involved at all. Essien is a great B2B midfielder. He had no idea how to tackle, pass and relied on other players performance to make a name for himself.

Yea, Essien's a B2B midfielder, Aqualani is a ballwinner, and Flamini is a playmaker...If this were true, what you say is right, but alas, it isn't. Maybe you should reread my post?

 

[sushanmilano]

Yea, Essien's a B2B midfielder, Aqualani is a ballwinner, and Flamini is a playmaker...If this were true, what you say is right, but alas, it isn't. Maybe you should reread my post?

I dont want to. Is there any other B2B midfielder in the world who is as limited as nocerino?

 

[Senatore_M84]

essien's a fairly complete central midfielder.

like de rossi. Can easily play any of the roles. Can't really compare that your run of mill b2ber

 

[AndreiX]

I dont want to. Is there any other B2B midfielder in the world who is as limited as nocerino?

Danny Drinkwater

 

[sushanmilano]

essien's a fairly complete central midfielder.

like de rossi. Can easily play any of the roles. Can't really compare that your run of mill b2ber

In that case , how about Ramires or even marchisio has such better technique compared to this one.

 

[LemonCookies]

I dont want to. Is there any other B2B midfielder in the world who is as limited as nocerino?

Yes, there are, but I've already pointed out the dumbasses and trolls here; you encompass both.

 

[Senatore_M84]

In that case , how about Ramires or even marchisio has such better technique compared to this one.

they do, no denying.

but didn't see marchisio really do much consistently /w juve till pirlo came and provide that playmaker to link up with.

I'm just saying we could swap nocerino for vidal or marchisio, and juve would still be better cause nocerino would be linking w/ pirlo, and they'd be linking with..... no one.


You're pointing out the wrong problem. This is first milan side ive seen w/o any playmaker. Montolivo isn't a playmaker. He's good but he's not really 'that' guy, if u follow. he's certianly not zlatan, seedor, pirlo, boban, and on down line. We literally have 'no' actual #10. It doesn't make boateng or nocerino bad for what they do. It means we simply lack that guy. Which is why i'm more annoyed w/ management. Unbalanced team

 

[sushanmilano]

Yes, there are, but I've already pointed out the dumbasses and trolls here; you encompass both.

Its funny and ironic when an american calls you a dumbass.

 

[Senatore_M84]

susha, you know what annoys me most.


this is EXACT OPPOSITE problem we have like 07-10. 07-10 we had like all playmaker passers and no one to make the runs. Now it's all runners w/ no one to actually conduct.

remember the pirlo, seedorf, beckham, ronaldinho, kaka midfield? Ridiculous technique but, fuck it was so unbalanced because of generalmovement in attack and of course defensively frailties.


Balance ffs. haven't really seen it other than 10/11 and 06/07 and before

 

[sushanmilano]

they do, no denying.

but didn't see marchisio really do much consistently /w juve till pirlo came and provide that playmaker to link up with.

I'm just saying we could swap nocerino for vidal or marchisio, and juve would still be better cause nocerino would be linking w/ pirlo, and they'd be linking with..... no one.


You're pointing out the wrong problem. This is first milan side ive seen w/o any playmaker. Montolivo isn't a playmaker. He's good but he's not really 'that' guy, if u follow. he's certianly not zlatan, seedor, pirlo, boban, and on down line. We literally have 'no' actual #10. It doesn't make boateng or nocerino bad for what they do. It means we simply lack that guy. Which is why i'm more annoyed w/ management. Unbalanced team

Obviously you know that I identify the problem as the lack of playmaker. This is was why i was very bitter about pirlo leaving and us doing nothing to fix this. It was going to hurt our midfield in the long term and now that even seedorf is gone its showing.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Obviously you know that I identify the problem as the lack of playmaker. This is was why i was very bitter about pirlo leaving and us doing nothing to fix this. It was going to hurt our midfield in the long term and now that even seedorf is gone its showing.

yeah, it pisses me off too....


but i don't blame allegri. Management did not want to give them long term extensions. Promised allegri replacements of that role and they never came.


we were undefeated in serie a w/ a boateng, aquilani, mvb, nocerino midfield. But i think it only played 8 or 9 games :-/. And even then the quality wasn't the highest but it was atleast right balance of running, passing, defending


and galliani boggles my mind... like 31 man squad, 8 b2b mids w/ no real playmaker and only a couple capable anchor types.

 

[sushanmilano]

I was never a fan of ambrosini growing up as i was lost amongst our numerous playmakers. But man his passing seems so this year. most skilled passer in the team . ambrosini

 

[Senatore_M84]

I was never a fan of ambrosini growing up as i was lost amongst our numerous playmakers. But man his passing seems so this year. most skilled passer in the team . ambrosini

it was around 07/08 i gained real appreciation for ambrosini. He was pretty damn good 07 ucl run till 2010.


Just a solid all around mid. Wasn't spectacular at anything bar heading, and a good tactical foul, but wasn't bad at anything either.

ideal squad guy

 

[Congo Powers]

Its funny and ironic when an american calls you a dumbass.

its even more funny when someone brings up nationality for no relevant reason

 

[Senatore_M84]

its even more funny when someone brings up nationality for no relevant reason

i think it's funny you have an avatar of a bald man, when you have such beautiful hair.

no/homo

 

[LemonCookies]

Its funny and ironic when an american calls you a dumbass.

You forgot an apostrophe and the capitalization of A, in America. C'mon, try a little harder when you're trying to divert the discussion when you know you're wrong in every way.

 

[sushanmilano]

You forgot an apostrophe and the capitalization of A, in America. C'mon, try a little harder when you're trying to divert the discussion when you know you're wrong in every way.

I don't think David is gonna grade us so why bother with the grammar?

 

[LemonCookies]

I don't think David is gonna grade us so why bother with the grammar?

Holy, something just flew past your head, wow, what was that, I wonder...

 

[Congo Powers]

i think it's funny you have an avatar of a bald man, when you have such beautiful hair.

no/homo

hehee

well, i think its not funny AT ALL how similar you are to rkelly. that shit is serious and no joke, very rare and very commendable.

I don't think David is gonna grade us so why bother with the grammar?

we have a peer-grading system here. you got an F-

 

[sushanmilano]

we have a peer-grading system here. you got an F-

My first F.

 

[Milanista2020]

Antonio Nocerino reveals why he has not repeated the remarkable scoring record he had at Milan last season. “I was more determined.”

The midfielder was the team’s second top hitman behind Zlatan Ibrahimovic and even netted past Barcelona, but is yet to find the net in 2012-13.

“I really like scoring goals and last season was even able to get 10 of them because I was more determined in front of goal,” he told the Guerin Sportivo magazine.

Nocerino was the bargain of the campaign when signed on transfer deadline day from Palermo for just €500,000.

“It is amusing and we often joke about it at the Milanello training ground. I’m not saying that I’m worth €20m or €30m like Ibrahimovic or Thiago Silva, but in fairness I don’t think I’m worth so little either...”

Yep he is now worth 550,000