Clarence Seedorf Thread

[DSM]

Nobody here is saying that we need to LYNCH Seedorf the man played good for milan and won a lot but he's way past his Prime cuz he's 32 or 33 not sure.
and now we've got Dinho a Player way younger and definately a better player so Dinho is really a Seedorf UPGRADE in our squad so seedorf has to be a second choice thats all.

Ronaldinho is one of the best players of recent years & I know he his better than Seedorf.

Since his injuries however he his struggling & unless he gets in shape he will hurt Milan rather than help them in the long run.

Ronaldinho played well on Sunday, but Seedorf is a better player than Ronaldinho in the shape he his in at the moment.

 

[x__player]

Ronaldinho is one of the best players of recent years & I know he his better than Seedorf.

Since his injuries however he his struggling & unless he gets in shape he will hurt Milan rather than help them in the long run.

Ronaldinho played well on Sunday, but Seedorf is a better player than Ronaldinho in the shape he his in at the moment.

So NOT true! I know it was just one game but Dinho was 5 times better than Seedorf! 50% fit Dinho is better than fully fit Seedorf and if you watch Milan games you know I am right!

 

[crazy4milan]

I won't go on and say he never gave his 100% on the field, as I don't know that, only he knows if he gave his all. But when you see for example how he was playing by the end of 06-07 (or during the really good period in 03-04 where he scored against Inter and Juve and played on a high level the other games), you just have to wonder "why you don't play like this more often?" (not every game). Seriously, he has nothing to envy from no player in the world when he is playing that way.

He can be a pain sometimes (for me the inconsistency, alternating hot and cold too much, for others the fact that it seems like he can't be benched, and for others they just simply don't like him), just like every player in this team (and every team for that matter) will be at one point, it's just that every team has a scapegoat, and since we sold 2 of our scapegoats this season, and loan 1, Clarence is back in the spotlight.

 

[Wet Ones]

One other thing....about Seedorf being slow and not running much...it's what genious playmakers do. Zidane, Riquelme etc do the same thing.....the structure of the arrangement of players on the pitch dictates that at certain points you have to stay on your position, while on other occasions you have to push up.

The difference being Zidane never lost the ball half as much as Seedorf does. Watching Zidane never annoyed the crap out of you like watching Seedorf (on most occasions) does. And Zidane has never cried like Big Girl's Blouse Seedorf when being substituted.

Oh and Zidane usually had more than 4 good games a season.

 

[DSM]

So NOT true! I know it was just one game but Dinho was 5 times better than Seedorf! 50% fit Dinho is better than fully fit Seedorf and if you watch Milan games you know I am right!

Ronaldinho has played around 10 matches since his return & in 8 of them he has been embarrassing in his performance.

I know he played better than Seedorf on Sunday, but in the long run unless he puts in some effort to get in shape he will be worse in my opinion than Seedorf.

Why cannot he get himself in proper condition & play as the best player in the world, that should be his aim & also should be Milan's medical staff's aim.

I think he only played well vers Bologna because the pace of the game was slow. He embarrassed himself in midweek vers Chile because the game was just too fast for him. Can you imagine him in a game vers Inter in a few weeks when the pace & quality will be high, if he his in his present state he will struggle to touch the ball & Milan will be playing with 10 men.

Everyone rates Ronaldinho as the best player Milan have because he has proven it over the last 5 years. Anyone who saw him a couple of days ago will say that he did'nt look good enough to play for Brazil & that was because he just could not compete in a fast paced game.

I would much prefer to go with Seedorf than Ronaldinho in his current shape especially for a difficult game at Genoa. Kaka' will be struggling because he his probably the worse player I have ever seen in getting back upto game shape after a long absence.

I will bet that Ronaldinho & Kaka' out of shape vers Genoa will be awful & I would not be surprised if Milan lose.

Hopefully Ancelotti will see through this & let Ronaldinho get back from Brazil & just train upto the Uefa Cup game with a big emphasis on sprinting.

In my opinion Ronaldinho will only be good in games vers little sides at home because he will not have to rush around alot. I think Milan fans want to see the real Ronaldinho & to do that he needs to learn how to run again.

 

[crazy4milan]

Everyone rates Ronaldinho as the best player Milan have because he has proven it over the last 5 years. Anyone who saw him a couple of days ago will say that he did'nt look good enough to play for Brazil & that was because he just could not compete in a fast paced game.

That part is missing something.

He looked terrible for Brazil and it was telling when he was the one that got the sub when they had to change the squad after getting a red card, but then again, when has he shown his worth for the Brazilian NT except for that game vs England in 02?

 

[Jivara]

In my opinion Ronaldinho will only be good in games vers little sides at home because he will not have to rush around alot. I think Milan fans want to see the real Ronaldinho & to do that he needs to learn how to run again.

good point, Ronaldinho as dangerous as he was vs Bologna still lacks something that made him the worlds best a few years ago, he needs to take on defenders and for that he needs to run, people are calling seedorf lazy and all but I consider seedorf better at dribbling defenders than ronaldinho in his current state.

 

[peters]

I'm not sold on ronaldinho, because he is slow like seedorf and i fear he might stay that way (he was slow for barca even before last season, often breaking their fast attacks).

Still he did take on defenders in last game, running to penalty area, passing... something i expect of seedorf but it just wasnt the case. That's why i would drop seedorf, just to let him know he is not untouchable and that he has to TRY, not just do his fancy footing (which i admire otherwise) when the ball reaches him...

 

[mrki]

good point, Ronaldinho as dangerous as he was vs Bologna still lacks something that made him the worlds best a few years ago, he needs to take on defenders and for that he needs to run, people are calling seedorf lazy and all but I consider seedorf better at dribbling defenders than ronaldinho in his current state.

Have you seen Ronaldinho and what he did in serie a round one? He passed his defenders like they werent there. He created 5 goal chances of which Pippo missed 2 100%'s, Seedorf was late for one brillant cross, Pippo late for one through pass and Sheva missed a 200% chance.

he laso assisted for the goal and actually earned a penalty which wasnt given. That is enough for an unfit player.

Ronaldinho is the most talented player in the world man, dont be blind. Seedorf is now 32, Dinho 28, things change and Seedorf will eventually loose his place as a LAM. And he will soon loose it, to a better player - Ronaldinho.

 

[genc]

Have you seen Ronaldinho and what he did in serie a round one? He passed his defenders like they werent there. He created 5 goal chances of which Pippo missed 2 100%'s, Seedorf was late for one brillant cross, Pippo late for one through pass and Sheva missed a 200% chance.

he laso assisted for the goal and actually earned a penalty which wasnt given. That is enough for an unfit player.

Ronaldinho is the most talented player in the world man, dont be blind. Seedorf is now 32, Dinho 28, things change and Seedorf will eventually loose his place as a LAM. And he will soon loose it, to a better player - Ronaldinho.

Yeah thats right
unfit but better than a fit Seedorf

 

[DSM]

Bologna was a game that suited him down to the ground in his present condition & he played well.

 

[Charbel]

We didn't Bash Seedorf, We were saying what we think.(We referring to those who said Ronaldinho was better than Seedorf).
Comparing Seedorf To Zidane is totallt not right.
It is a matter of positioning.
Zidane plays is a Play Maker while Seedorf is an attacking midfielder.
Who ever said that ronaldinho was never fast for barca, needs to watch more of Barca's Old Games.
Any1 remembers the goal he scored against RM when Barca won on them about 3-0(not sure)?
It was a Complete Mixture of Speed And Talent.
I am not saying he will get that speed again, but I am saying that Seedorf isn't Ronaldinho.
Seedorf Can't Do the Penetrations Ronaldinho does.
Although i still believe that bringing Ronaldinho wasn't the Smartest thing we did, but if it means Seedorf is Benched, Then Hell Ya!

 

[DSM]

Ronaldinho was easily the best player in the world for around 2/3 years.

 

[x__player]

Ronaldinho was easily the best player in the world for around 2/3 years.

I dont mean to sound rude but you make me laugh! He was good but almost none of his seasons were good all time. He had few excellent games (like in year when we won CL) and thats it. You surely forgot other players out there that were far more consistant than Seedorf + played way better than him. You must be some kind of a relative of him if you talk this things especially now when he plays bad for a while now.

 

[borrai]

I dont mean to sound rude but you make me laugh! He was good but almost none of his seasons were good all time. He had few excellent games (like in year when we won CL) and thats it. You surely forgot other players out there that were far more consistant than Seedorf + played way better than him. You must be some kind of a relative of him if you talk this things especially now when he plays bad for a while now.

lol man... really... do you watch football? or do you understand it?

Ronaldinho man is probably the best player of this decade after C Ronaldo, and he definitely was better than him too. Ronaldinho 03/04, 04/05, 05/06 = GOD.

And btw, his "shit" season's has been better than Seedorf's greatest years for us.

 

[Jivara]

no one is saying ronaldinho shouldnt start ahead of seedorf, ronaldinho was one of the few good things to come out of that loss vs bologna, but that doesnt mean we have to treat seedorf like a pile of trash and act like he hasnt given us anything for 3 years, thats not true, no one would have said that when he was jumping up and down after we finished the 2007 season

 

[Charbel]

Jivara, No One is saying that Seedorf never performed for us.
Despite his constant bad attitude.
There were times he was very important for Milan, Unfortunately those times are behind us, and we should look at the future.
He was great, but it's time he sits on the Bench.

 

[x__player]

lol man... really... do you watch football? or do you understand it?

Ronaldinho man is probably the best player of this decade after C Ronaldo, and he definitely was better than him too. Ronaldinho 03/04, 04/05, 05/06 = GOD.

And btw, his "shit" season's has been better than Seedorf's greatest years for us.

Read my post before u judge me!!! I was saying Dinho is better than Seedorf not other way around! My post is about Seedorf!!!

Perhaps your English isnt good enough....or you just missed my point....!!!

And now DSM changed "Seedorf was one of the best........TO....Ronaldinho was one of the best....." He edited his post....sad....

 

[Wild]

Dinho played much , muccccccccccccccccccccccccccch better than Seedorf so he deserve 2 play ahead of him regardless of any analysis u ppl wanna discuss.

And about Dinho's performance in his golden years well he was twice better than Kaka during his golden years -- > more consistent / magic / leadership / goals / assists & even titles.
EX : 2 seasons ago , when Kaka was @ his best & Dinho was having a "bad" season according 2 some of u ppl , Dinho's was leading Barca on his own + having same statistics as Kaka if not better.

 

[grounder]

And now DSM changed "Seedorf was one of the best........TO....Ronaldinho was one of the best....." He edited his post....sad....

Actually, and I just have to point this out, DSM apparently hasn't edited the post at all. But I'm not getting involved in this any more.

Anyways.

I think Seedorf should be ready to take the bench if Dinho and Kaka get back in form and start to click. Even Ancelotti can't be that blind that he'd play Clarence ahead of either of these two(unless they really, really suck).

Or maybe we should try to put him back somewhere in the middle(wasn't that where he was before, my head is like swiss cheese nowadays) in front of our DM's and keep Pirlo on the bench.

 

[peters]

^^ x__ dont jump up like crazy dog, it was prolly typo, he was talking about r80 anyway...

Who ever said that ronaldinho was never fast for barca, needs to watch more of Barca's Old Games.
Any1 remembers the goal he scored against RM when Barca won on them about 3-0(not sure)?
It was a Complete Mixture of Speed And Talent.
I am not saying he will get that speed again...

I dont believe anyone said r80 was never fast for barca, but i did say his speed was declining fast in last 2 seasons (thats when the photos about him being fat came out) and even if i dont watch many barca games i get the vibe from die-hard barca fan - sister. He started to break the game down, which is not that hard when you have the likes of iniesta, etoo and messi racing around you. And his FKs were getting really annoying for barca fans, like Pirlo's for us lately. Its gonna be easier for him in milan because we dont have that high paced style of game but like i said, his speed might never fully come back. Still, at 28 i believe he should be faster and more determined to get the ball back than seedorf.

 

[x__player]

I read Seedorf was clearly the best and that is why I wrote that post....and my entire post was about him + saying Dinho is way better than Seedorf...on the other hand DSM was saying how seedorf should be in front of dinho at the moment etc etc etc....

thats all....

and when you edit your post it doesnt always say edited bla bla bla.....proven!

 

[grounder]

and when you edit your post it doesnt always say edited bla bla bla.....proven!

Yeah I know, I was just checking the dates on your posts but what the heck, everybody made their point and life goes on

 

[DSM]

I read Seedorf was clearly the best and that is why I wrote that post....and my entire post was about him + saying Dinho is way better than Seedorf...on the other hand DSM was saying how seedorf should be in front of dinho at the moment etc etc etc....

thats all....

and when you edit your post it doesnt always say edited bla bla bla.....proven!

The current condition of Ronaldinho in my opinion will mean that he struggles more often than not & I would put more money on Seedorf doing a better job at the moment. I know he did'nt against Bologna, but in other circumstances I believe he would be better than Ronaldinho.

I will say again if Ronaldinho made an effort to get himself right he could be the best player at Milan.

 

[Sasha]

Ronaldinho>Seedorf most of the time.


But when he's motivated I honestly believe Seedorf is better than R80.

 

[Madridista]

lol man... really... do you watch football? or do you understand it?

Ronaldinho man is probably the best player of this decade after C Ronaldo, and he definitely was better than him too. Ronaldinho 03/04, 04/05, 05/06 = GOD.

And btw, his "shit" season's has been better than Seedorf's greatest years for us.

Cristiano Ronaldo the best player of the decade? That is laughable, Ronaldinho hsa done much much more than him to deserve that status, so did Kaka, and don't forget that even Zidane's rise to prominence came since 1998. Cristiano has a long way to go to reach Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo etc.

But I agree, Ronaldinho even with the lack of pace is ideal for Milan. He is simply a better player than Seedorf. There's a reason the dutchman has never EVER been even considered for the WPOY. The is talented, but has much more flaws in his game than Ronaldinho.

 

[Redman10]

If everybody healthy, the only place Ancelotti can play Seedorf is deep and what going to happen he going to complain and if he is bench he going to complain. Lose - Lose situation unles ancelotti goes 4-6-0 which would not surprise me.

 

[mrki]

Yeah thats right
unfit but better than a fit Seedorf

I understand this is a joke, but this is also not a fit Seedorf.

People now say that Clarence is an AM, but that is COMPLETELY not true!!! Seedorf played in Real MAdrid in what role? In Inter in what role? In Ajax in what role? In Milan early days, in what role? Central midfielder.

But in the past 2-3 years, Seedorf lost his power of running and pressing, so he asked to be played as a AM. Not becouse that is his position, but becouse he cant play CM anymore. He simply cant run anymore. Modern CM's are: Fabregas, Gerrard, Xavi, Iniesta, Sneijder... Seedorf was absoulte class CM, but he isnt anymore.

Last season and season before that he all saw that he can do magic in AM, when he is fresh. But we all must remember that he has been playing pro football since he was 16, now he is 32. Milan has far too many players that play position they want and in tempo they want ( Maldini, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaladze...).

Seedorf should be used in smaller number of games and with more quality, not quantiti. He can no longer play moders fast one touch football as he cant move well enough. And in Milan only player that can hold the ball as long as he wants in Ronaldinho! As he is a special magician.

Pirlo, also the samething as Clarence. Enough is enough. You cant play jazz football. there are plans, trained actions and responsibilities on the field. When he doesnt feel like passing and running to exchange passes, he just plays it long. Pirlo's form is WAY down people, its obvious.

 

[borrai]

Cristiano Ronaldo the best player of the decade? That is laughable, Ronaldinho hsa done much much more than him to deserve that status, so did Kaka, and don't forget that even Zidane's rise to prominence came since 1998. Cristiano has a long way to go to reach Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo etc.

But I agree, Ronaldinho even with the lack of pace is ideal for Milan. He is simply a better player than Seedorf. There's a reason the dutchman has never EVER been even considered for the WPOY. The is talented, but has much more flaws in his game than Ronaldinho.

This decades means from 2000 to 2010.

btw C Ronaldo > Ronaldinho (in their best years)

 

[Ashish]

This decades means from 2000 to 2010.

btw C Ronaldo > Ronaldinho (in their best years)

you manwhore fan??
remove C and your equation is right
sissy chokes big time and cant win anything with national team loser ronaldo cant score penalties when it matter most