Clarence Seedorf Thread

[drucurl]

<3Dorf....one bad game does not define a player. Totally sucked monkeyballs tonight but it's the coach's responsibility to notice that and take him out rather than let him frustrate himself and the team further. Pirlo on the other hand was awesome and putting Prince on EARLY was only going to help. Allegri = n00b

 

[mumbojumbo20]

oh man on the day this guy retires from AC Milan, i am going drink until i become drunk

 

[Senatore_M84]

<3Dorf....one bad game does not define a player. Totally sucked monkeyballs tonight but it's the coach's responsibility to notice that and take him out rather than let him frustrate himself and the team further. Pirlo on the other hand was awesome and putting Prince on EARLY was only going to help. Allegri = n00b

The problem is we went down early on freak situation.... meaning we had to push for a goal.

1. We couldn't take Pirlo off cause he was probably best player for milan.
2. If we wanna push for goal, more creativity the better. Seedorf will provide more, so as a coach you HAVE to keep him on and see if he can work out his problems (especially if you don't have creative options... let's be fair he has flamini and boateng, not fabregas and sneijder)
3. Gattuso was doing a good job covering. In first half it's TOO early to completely drop a DM especially vs. that counter attack

Even when he went to bring boateng on (and it could have been done 10 or so mins earlier) it's hard to justify taking off seedorf, UNLESS it was for a MORE attacking player. We needed creativity and attack. The move I would have made is robinho for seedorf, try to 4 man attack for an initial period to see if we can get ANYTHING.

If anything I'm most let down on our attacking tri-dent particularly Ron who was completely marked out by khedira

 

[TheoLeo]

The problem is we went down early on freak situation.... meaning we had to push for a goal.

1. We couldn't take Pirlo off cause he was probably best player for milan.
2. If we wanna push for goal, more creativity the better. Seedorf will provide more, so as a coach you HAVE to keep him on and see if he can work out his problems (especially if you don't have creative options... let's be fair he has flamini and boateng, not fabregas and sneijder)
3. Gattuso was doing a good job covering. In first half it's TOO early to completely drop a DM especially vs. that counter attack

Even when he went to bring boateng on (and it could have been done 10 or so mins earlier) it's hard to justify taking off seedorf, UNLESS it was for a MORE attacking player. We needed creativity and attack. The move I would have made is robinho for seedorf, try to 4 man attack for an initial period to see if we can get ANYTHING.

If anything I'm most let down on our attacking tri-dent particularly Ron who was completely marked out by khedira

The best analysis about game and Seedorf so far.

Comon guys, give Seedorf some break. He is, like one Italian comentetor said: "Milan Soldier". I hope he will accept some bench time, to get some rest and meditation, but you will see him as the season build up, he will not let us down. He was always a slow starter, but when you mostly need him, he's there. Apsolutely Milan legend, no matter what you guys say about him!

 

[MilanSpecialist]

as seedorf has his moments during matches, tonight he deff. didn't..he had a nice chance on goal off the volley, but completely smashed it..he should have hit it to the ground, instead of getting his foot under it..not one of his best games at all, but its just another sign we need more/better quality midfielders in our depth..

 

[ikita]

Watching the technical recaps from the game clearly shows how damaging Seedorf is to the team. His apathy leads to chains of misfortunate effects like counters, it forces his teammates into dangerous panic situations and a loss of attack and pace.

When he looses a posession or wastes a buildup there opens up huge areas behind him. When he doesnt participate in defensive work and fails to put preassure on the opposition it forces the rest of the team to break position and go for long energywasting runs or forced reckless tackles to salvage situations. Poor Gattuso doesnt have the physique to carry Seedorf for full 90 min.

+ infinity. i figure people tend to not see this in seedorf, and its amazing as to how they manage to miss this plus all the other times, when you really need him to control a pass properly, or be more accurate when shooting, or be a little faster on the ball (or a lot faster) or place a pass accurately, its at that precise time, that he fails you completely. he could've put away that chance he had. and times like this have occurred on numerous occasions. he defends more than dinho though, get that rite. or at least he tries to.

 

[mumbojumbo20]

The best analysis about game and Seedorf so far.

Comon guys, give Seedorf some break. He is, like one Italian comentetor said: "Milan Soldier". I hope he will accept some bench time, to get some rest and meditation, but you will see him as the season build up, he will not let us down. He was always a slow starter, but when you mostly need him, he's there. Apsolutely Milan legend, no matter what you guys say about him!

we needed him to score that f.cking goal so badly..... where was he???? he was jogging in Maldives

 

[Savo]

The problem is we went down early on freak situation.... meaning we had to push for a goal.

1. We couldn't take Pirlo off cause he was probably best player for milan.
2. If we wanna push for goal, more creativity the better. Seedorf will provide more, so as a coach you HAVE to keep him on and see if he can work out his problems (especially if you don't have creative options... let's be fair he has flamini and boateng, not fabregas and sneijder)
3. Gattuso was doing a good job covering. In first half it's TOO early to completely drop a DM especially vs. that counter attack

Even when he went to bring boateng on (and it could have been done 10 or so mins earlier) it's hard to justify taking off seedorf, UNLESS it was for a MORE attacking player. We needed creativity and attack. The move I would have made is robinho for seedorf, try to 4 man attack for an initial period to see if we can get ANYTHING.

If anything I'm most let down on our attacking tri-dent particularly Ron who was completely marked out by khedira

freak situation??? you mean seedorf pussied out and moved out of the way allowing ronaldo's fk to go straight through the wall??? really milano, i know you love clarence and for good reason as he is a legend, but this is indefensible. clarence can still be important for us, but it has to be as a SUB, and the OCCASSIONAL... yes, occassional starter.

 

[Senatore_M84]

freak situation??? you mean seedorf pussied out and moved out of the way allowing ronaldo's fk to go straight through the wall??? really milano, i know you love clarence and for good reason as he is a legend, but this is indefensible. clarence can still be important for us, but it has to be as a SUB, and the OCCASSIONAL... yes, occassional starter.

true, but what about pato's ridiculous foul? Just saying if CLARENCE fouled like that... he'd be butchered....

if pirlo did, butchered
if gattuso did, killed
if abate did, run off the forum with hate
heck if ron did, mad would ahve written 4000000000 pages

but since its pato.....

 

[Savo]

true, but what about pato's ridiculous foul? Just saying if CLARENCE fouled like that... he'd be butchered....

if pirlo did, butchered
if gattuso did, killed
if abate did, run off the forum with hate
heck if ron did, mad would ahve written 4000000000 pages

but since its pato.....

tbh, pato barely touched him... it was 100% dive, but yes I know there is forum bias, myself included for certain players (nesta). REGARDLESS, no professional should ever move out of their position in a wall... especially not an experienced player like seedorf...

 

[zZ[-_-]Zz]

Our new Emerson. Useless and highly paid.

 

[Ibra]

+ infinity. i figure people tend to not see this in seedorf, and its amazing as to how they manage to miss this plus all the other times, when you really need him to control a pass properly, or be more accurate when shooting, or be a little faster on the ball (or a lot faster) or place a pass accurately, its at that precise time, that he fails you completely. he could've put away that chance he had. and times like this have occurred on numerous occasions. he defends more than dinho though, get that rite. or at least he tries to.

You see it on the Seedorf follow cam, and heatmaps, and the technical recaps after the match, he is almost always out of position and he isn't sharp anymore. He doesnt fight for every ball, not even every 4th ball.

seen over history he is an amazing player, perhaps one of the worlds best.
but at the age of 34 he is done for, no longer WC and a liability, a last 15 sub at best, the recaps showed lots of situations and chains started by a mistake from Seedorf. Milan has the worlds best offense but if the MF cannot connect due to this kind of lazyness it will waste into nothing.

 

[Ibra]

true, but what about pato's ridiculous foul? Just saying if CLARENCE fouled like that... he'd be butchered....

if pirlo did, butchered
if gattuso did, killed
if abate did, run off the forum with hate
heck if ron did, mad would ahve written 4000000000 pages

but since its pato.....

Pato is an inexperienced 21y/o, he is expected to fail from time to time like this, his "recklessness" and youthful ignorance is what makes him not have respect and go 150% ahead, over the years this will fade.

the others you list are seasoned vets, they are evolved products, they don't make so many rookie mistakes, and are thus also judged harder.

 

[fertygo]

Seriously its dumb why M84 shadowing dorf shite performances to pato foul, if pato not foul him that gonna be shoot on goal ffs, KPB doing same with oezil too, if the freekick resulting a goal too, you wanna blame him too ?

"Poor clarence get bashed awhile prince not let oezil have CLEAR shoot n foul him n get FK"

But you don't mention his ducking like bitch on the wall that resulting an goal.

FACT :
Dorf is our poorest player on mids defence, ffs pirlo, rhino, n nesta must cover him all the time.
He take too LONG to give any ball, even to pirlo that standing 10 near him, resulting khedira n alonso given a chance to rush n pressure our mids easily.
Too many turnover from him ffs
Waste our clear chance
Duck like bitch n resulting an GOAL.

Yes M84 we lose with him as BIGGEST suspect, but Allegri is the one to blame to start him though.

Fuck we like playing with 10 man with him, fucking liability on defense n now I know pirlo defensive ability is underrated.
LOL he must fight khedira n Di maria just by himself, because a certain useless fuck can't help him.

Fucking grammar, cannot bother with this ATM.

Btw just hope this make allegri realize put all over 30s on midfield is not gonna working.

 

[Dias]

shit

 

[kevin_dk]

Fucking grammar, cannot bother with this ATM.

Hahahaha.

 

[damn]

dorf was awful yesterday slow of foot and slower of mind.
watching the game with my young nephew i had to keep reminding him that dorf was awesome a few years ago (and we still insulted him then) strong, fast, explosive when needed, tactically astute a complete footballer.
it could have just been an off day but i doubt it, it seem he can not handle speed any more.
he still has something to offer as a super sub he could be deadly and as a trequrtista he would give us better balance but in the starting 11 against a good team as a mid he has become a liability.
________
Ship sale

 

[Deleted member 24225]

I was really pissed when he missed that 100% chance, ffs he had ages to shoot, he was all alone there on the left and then he makes the same as always and shoots the ball out in the sky, I was so angry. We needed a goal, have such a good chance and then an experienced player like Seedorf fires it into the sky

It's not all alone his fault that he starts nearly every game in an all-senators-mf, there Allegri is to blame. If Seedorf would be used more as sub or sometimes as starter to rest Pirlo/Dinho, like it was vs Ajax when he played instead of Dinho. We can't afford to start him with many other slow players around him, that is suicide.

 

[Jasper]

The problem is we went down early on freak situation.... meaning we had to push for a goal.

1. We couldn't take Pirlo off cause he was probably best player for milan.
2. If we wanna push for goal, more creativity the better. Seedorf will provide more, so as a coach you HAVE to keep him on and see if he can work out his problems (especially if you don't have creative options... let's be fair he has flamini and boateng, not fabregas and sneijder)
3. Gattuso was doing a good job covering. In first half it's TOO early to completely drop a DM especially vs. that counter attack

Even when he went to bring boateng on (and it could have been done 10 or so mins earlier) it's hard to justify taking off seedorf, UNLESS it was for a MORE attacking player. We needed creativity and attack. The move I would have made is robinho for seedorf, try to 4 man attack for an initial period to see if we can get ANYTHING.

If anything I'm most let down on our attacking tri-dent particularly Ron who was completely marked out by khedira

Seedorfs creativity. LOL. Seedorf was shit. That's enough of a justification for a substitution. Not rocketscience, not worth more arguments.

 

[fiume_1987]

I generally love the guy, he's one of the true legends of the game, but not renewing his contract at the end of the season would be a blessing for Milan's future.
Worst first team player this season so far - rare flashes of brilliance can't cover all the sloppiness and laziness in his play. And when you have an inexperienced coach who doesn't have the balls to deal with Dorf's authority and bench him, it becomes a real problem. Pirlo radically improved his play compared to last season, even Gattuso has shown some promise, but Dorf stays the same, no matter who the coach is...
It will be really hard to swallow another pointless contract extension, but that's the most likely scenario, knowing our management.

 

[Baresiuno]

We should promote Seedorf into a trequartista from now. No other spots. Only the trequartista-role. This means he only plays if Ronaldinho is out. Ok, he can probably backup on Pirlo in playmaker role too.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Pato is an inexperienced 21y/o, he is expected to fail from time to time like this, his "recklessness" and youthful ignorance is what makes him not have respect and go 150% ahead, over the years this will fade.

the others you list are seasoned vets, they are evolved products, they don't make so many rookie mistakes, and are thus also judged harder.

starter for near 4 years with over 100 caps. Just admit he made a mistake and move on. This isn't Merkel or Verdi playing there first game....

FFS Pato was one of main heros last year in bernebeau, now he's inexerienceD?

Seedorfs creativity. LOL. Seedorf was shit. That's enough of a justification for a substitution. Not rocketscience, not worth more arguments.

I don't disagree he was BAD but Milan were chasing game, now time to take off an attacking player for a defense one.

Read match thread I said Robinho and boateng should have come on for seedorf and gattuso. But If you asked me which one to sub first it would have been gattuso just cause it was an 0-2 game in second half... No other reason


Edit: I'm only trying to point out he's getting crucified like he bangedi n 5 own goals, pissed on pirlo's children, banged nesta's wife on the field then slapped berlusconi in the face.

Game was lost cause 8 or 9 out of 11 players were WELL below par, including our entire attack.

 

[MilanSpecialist]

i can see that people are also saying the same as me, in when the freekick was being taken, seedorf moved right out of the way, which did let the ball go through..it sucks, but it happens..we can sit here and point fingers and say whos fault it was why we lost the match, but it was a team effort loss..certain players just contributed more to the loss then others..

 

[Wet Ones]

Game was lost cause 8 or 9 out of 11 players were WELL below par, including our entire attack.

First Goal. His fault. Like it or not. Ok so mistake from Pato in brining down Xabi. But he's a forward for fucks sake. You can't expect him to execute a perfect tackle. At least he fucking tried.

But what Seedorf did was totally noobish and for an 'underrated', 4 time UCL champion, it was downright pathetic.

His passing was mostly atrocious. Even put the defense under pressure several times because, despite having all the time in the world, he can't hit a forward pass

He also had the BEST chance of the game. Try and deny that. 'Big Game' *** um I mean Player doesn't have the cool to place the ball? Seriously?

Overrated waste of space. He might have 4 UCLs to his name but the prick doesn't deserve a single one. Have the decency to retire for fucks sake.

Milan >>>>>> Seedorf will ever be. So GET THE FUCK OUT!

 

[MilanMB]

First Goal. His fault. Like it or not. Ok so mistake from Pato in brining down Xabi. But he's a forward for fucks sake. You can't expect him to execute a perfect tackle. At least he fucking tried.

But what Seedorf did was totally noobish and for an 'underrated', 4 time UCL champion, it was downright pathetic.

His passing was mostly atrocious. Even put the defense under pressure several times because, despite having all the time in the world, he can't hit a forward pass

He also had the BEST chance of the game. Try and deny that. 'Big Game' *** um I mean Player doesn't have the cool to place the ball? Seriously?

Overrated waste of space. He might have 4 UCLs to his name but the prick doesn't deserve a single one. Have the decency to retire for fucks sake.

Milan >>>>>> Seedorf will ever be. So GET THE FUCK OUT!

Almost agree with everything here

 

[Redman10]

First Goal. His fault. Like it or not. Ok so mistake from Pato in brining down Xabi. But he's a forward for fucks sake. You can't expect him to execute a perfect tackle. At least he fucking tried.

But what Seedorf did was totally noobish and for an 'underrated', 4 time UCL champion, it was downright pathetic.

His passing was mostly atrocious. Even put the defense under pressure several times because, despite having all the time in the world, he can't hit a forward pass

He also had the BEST chance of the game. Try and deny that. 'Big Game' *** um I mean Player doesn't have the cool to place the ball? Seriously?

Overrated waste of space. He might have 4 UCLs to his name but the prick doesn't deserve a single one. Have the decency to retire for fucks sake.

Milan >>>>>> Seedorf will ever be. So GET THE FUCK OUT!

This post sums up everything really.

 

[Sasha]

Games like this and @Fiorentina 2 years ago really make me hate him. But then he will probably score against Napoli and I will be the first in line to ride his dick.

 

[MilanMB]

Games like this and @Fiorentina 2 years ago really make me hate him. But then he will probably score against Napoli and I will be the first in line to ride his dick.

yeah, because his scoring record is off the charts.

Doesn't matter if he scores against napoli. He's finished and that's not something new, he's been finished for a loooooong time. A good game 2-4 times a season isn't good enough for a Milan player.

Btw, if he's not benched against Napoli, Allegri is the biggest IDIOT ever.

 

[Paladin]

First Goal. His fault. Like it or not. Ok so mistake from Pato in brining down Xabi. But he's a forward for fucks sake. You can't expect him to execute a perfect tackle. At least he fucking tried.

But what Seedorf did was totally noobish and for an 'underrated', 4 time UCL champion, it was downright pathetic.

His passing was mostly atrocious. Even put the defense under pressure several times because, despite having all the time in the world, he can't hit a forward pass

He also had the BEST chance of the game. Try and deny that. 'Big Game' *** um I mean Player doesn't have the cool to place the ball? Seriously?

Overrated waste of space. He might have 4 UCLs to his name but the prick doesn't deserve a single one. Have the decency to retire for fucks sake.

Milan >>>>>> Seedorf will ever be. So GET THE FUCK OUT!

I got to love ur post, right on spot

 

[Sasha]

yeah, because his scoring record is off the charts.

I never said it was. Besides I was only referring to myself in that post. GG or GB!