The Rumour Commode XI

[Nestafan]

this times infinity. There is only one GOAT and that person isnt fedexit. Nadal is the greatest of all time without a doubt. he was the defending US champion as well, he sure as hell wouldnt have lost to cilic lol this season. nadal is and always was better than federer. Fedexit couldnt even beat a 17 year old nadal in his prime on slow hard courts.

Come on man, i thought it was just a one off joke.
Getting old now.

We should probably stop going off topic too.

 

[jammin]

Just to make this a classic Federer vs Nadal debate - Federer had worse rivals in his dominant era

Fuck tha commode

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Head to Head means little when Nadal is pretty much the anti-Fed.

Serena has a closer h2h with Henin than Venus does, does that mean Venus is superior to Serena?

Nope.



Nadal has benefited hugely from all courts generally getting slower.

So? Fed hasn't won a slam this year and has done very well to nearly regain no.1. Let's see injury prone, steroid using Nadal reach that at 33.:




So? If Nadal wasn't present in this absolute shit era for clay players, he'd have far fewer titles.

again lol worthy. like federer dint benefit from playing against weak competitors in wimbledon and the us open.You do realize that nadal had to get through either one of federer, djokovic or andy murray for 75 percent of his titles ? Nadal is clearly the better player which mean he is the GOAT.


Fed has a far better spread. If Nadal wasn't around, Fed would have like 20+ slams. On grass, Nadal is like a top 50 player, with 3 years consecutive of losses to out of the top 100 players. Fed on each surface is no.1 or top 5 at least, and that's arguably ever. Nadal is top 1 on Clay and not top 5 on any other.

omg hahahahahha. You cannot be serious. Go look up his stats again. he has a higher winning percentage than federer on all courts except wimbledon.

Nadal's just hobbled by his domination of one surface. Take away clay and he's a Nalbandian level player. Take away grass and Fed is still arguable GOAT on hard courts. Take away hard and Fed's still GOAT of grass.

Federer is the greatest hard court player despite having a losing record against nadal on all forms of hard courts. . Nadal annihilated a prime federer on hard courts, did you know that. a prime fucking federer on hard courts. Had federer beaten him on his preferred surface more often then i would agree with the notion of fedexit being the best player of all time. But the fact that he couldnt get the better of a rather young and naive nadal in his prime makes me believe that nadal is indeed the greatest of all time.

anyways back to calcio.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

GOAT of fodder a - peerlo
GOAT of real serie a calcio - marco van basten.

 

[KujaIX]

Fed has better winning percentages at all slams bar RG.

Having a superior h2h means so little when Fed has more slams and a better winning percentage at all slams bar the clay one.

Yes, it's very hard to beat Puerta. Nadal had to go against Fed for a majority of his slams earlier in his career, but he's essentially the anti-Fed.

Sure, Nadal's way of playing beats Fed. However, Fed is a greater player. He has far more weeks at no.1. He has more slams. He has a much greater slam spread, while Nadal is dominant on one surface. He has a much more attractive game(subjective, I know).

 

[Sage]

Just to make this a classic Federer vs Nadal debate - Federer had worse rivals in his dominant era

srs

nadull lel

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Fed has better winning percentages at all slams bar RG.

Having a superior h2h means so little when Fed has more slams and a better winning percentage at all slams bar the clay one.

Yes, it's very hard to beat Puerta. Nadal had to go against Fed for a majority of his slams earlier in his career, but he's essentially the anti-Fed.

Sure, Nadal's way of playing beats Fed. However, Fed is a greater player. He has far more weeks at no.1. He has more slams. He has a much greater slam spread, while Nadal is dominant on one surface. He has a much more attractive game(subjective, I know).

yeah its very hard to beat roddick 4 times, bagdhatis, hewitt, gonzalez , safin, washed up agassi etc. nadal is the ultimate player. GOAT. The only reason fed has been number one for so long is cause nadal is very injury prone due to his style of play. What do u mean anti-fed? its not like nadal has a losing h2h with everyone else. in fact he has a winning record against every player barring davydenko. The only reason that fodder even has a winning h2h against him is cause he played nadal when he was barely 17. He has more slams for now. It wont be long before nadal reaches 17 slams. You make it sound as if nadal is a one dimensional clay court player lmao. He is good in every court barring indoor hard courts which is not even part of the slam category. Nadal in his weakest surface which is grass is better than federer at his weakest surface, i.e clay. Therefore, nadal is superior. anyways i cbf anymore. Fact is that federer in his prime was beatable on his best surface, conversely, nadal is invincible barring the one game vs soderling. Hence why he has the highest winning percentage overall. Besides, the french open is hardest open to win, so, nadal being the best player on the hardest surface is a testament to how great a player he really is.

 

[Sorriso Sempre]

yeah its very hard to beat roddick 4 times, bagdhatis, hewitt, gonzalez , safin, washed up agassi etc. nadal is the ultimate player. GOAT. The only reason fed has been number one for so long is cause nadal is very injury prone due to his style of play. What do u mean anti-fed? its not like nadal has a losing h2h with everyone else. in fact he has a winning record against every player barring davydenko. The only reason that fodder even has a winning h2h against him is cause he played nadal when he was barely 17. He has more slams for now. It wont be long before nadal reaches 17 slams. You make it sound as if nadal is a one dimensional clay court player lmao. He is good in every court barring indoor hard courts which is not even part of the slam category. Nadal in his weakest surface which is grass is better than federer at his weakest surface, i.e clay. Therefore, nadal is superior. anyways i cbf anymore. Fact is that federer in his prime was beatable on his best surface, conversely, nadal is invincible barring the one game vs soderling. Hence why he has the highest winning percentage overall. Besides, the french open is hardest open to win, so, nadal being the best player on the hardest surface is a testament to how great a player he really is.

you see it so one dimensional.the fact that papastathopoulos stopped messi in 2010 wc and rio ferdinand or vidic didnt, it doesnt mean he is better player than them

 

[Mr. Milanista]

Kramaric scored again

 

[Raz]

Kramaric scored again

 

[Sorriso Sempre]

Kramaric scored again

link to highlights or smthing?

 

[Sovilhelm]

you see it so one dimensional.the fact that papastathopoulos stopped messi in 2010 wc and rio ferdinand or vidic didnt, it doesnt mean he is better player than them

well said, Federer <3

 

[Soldier_of_god]

you see it so one dimensional.the fact that papastathopoulos stopped messi in 2010 wc and rio ferdinand or vidic didnt, it doesnt mean he is better player than them

Yeah no. U cannot be the greatest of all time with a lopsided losing h2h against your main rival. He won 14 slams ffs. You will never find another individual sport where a player with a losing h2h record against his arch rival is being regarded as the GOAT. H2h record vs main rivals is probably the second most important factor used to determine the greatness of an individual in tennis after grand slam titles. Even if nadal retires now, he is still the greatest player ever. He has got More masters titles, davis cups, Olympic gold etc.

Fuck calcio anyway, like we are going to buy someone worthy of the milan jersey anyway. Might as well discuss tennis.

 

[KujaIX]

yeah its very hard to beat roddick 4 times, bagdhatis, hewitt, gonzalez , safin, washed up agassi etc. nadal is the ultimate player. GOAT. The only reason fed has been number one for so long is cause nadal is very injury prone due to his style of play. What do u mean anti-fed? its not like nadal has a losing h2h with everyone else. in fact he has a winning record against every player barring davydenko. The only reason that fodder even has a winning h2h against him is cause he played nadal when he was barely 17. He has more slams for now. It wont be long before nadal reaches 17 slams. You make it sound as if nadal is a one dimensional clay court player lmao. He is good in every court barring indoor hard courts which is not even part of the slam category. Nadal in his weakest surface which is grass is better than federer at his weakest surface, i.e clay. Therefore, nadal is superior. anyways i cbf anymore. Fact is that federer in his prime was beatable on his best surface, conversely, nadal is invincible barring the one game vs soderling. Hence why he has the highest winning percentage overall. Besides, the french open is hardest open to win, so, nadal being the best player on the hardest surface is a testament to how great a player he really is.

Irrelevant.

And because Nadal has an extremely skewered slam record.

No. His style matches up extremely badly for Fed. It's possible for everyone to have someone like that. Serena dominated all of her rivals, even with WTA at its peak, but was 0-2 against Sybille Bammer. I suppose that makes Bammer the best ever.

Age is irrelevant. Nadal was winning slams at 19. You can't use his age to make him better and excuse his losses too.

Nadal will have to do well to reach 17.

He isn't a one-dimensional 'clay' player, he's a one-dimensional 'slow court' player. He's good, sure, but he's only the GOAT on clay. Discounting things because they're not in slams is stupid. If Madrid, Monte Carlo and Rome were grass instead of clay, I'm fairly certain Fed would have a lot more Masters titles than he currently does.

On Fed's weakest surface, he still managed to reach the final like 5 times and win it once - and that's with the clay GOAT playing. On Nadal's weakest surface, he managed to win it twice and reach the final 3 other times. Barring those years, he's never got past the 4th round in his other attempts at Wimbledon.

That doesn't mean anything.

RG is not the hardest to win. That's a load of shit. RG is probably the easiest to win. Look at all those shitty players who won it before Nadal arrived. If Nadal and Fed weren't around from 2004 onwards, plenty of journeymen would have won RG. Even Ferrer would have probably won a slam by now. RG is the slam for upsets and shitter players winning.

Yeah no. U cannot be the greatest of all time with a lopsided losing h2h against your main rival. He won 14 slams ffs. You will never find another individual sport where a player with a losing h2h record against his arch rival is being regarded as the GOAT. H2h record vs main rivals is probably the second most important factor used to determine the greatness of an individual in tennis after grand slam titles. Even if nadal retires now, he is still the greatest player ever. He has got More masters titles, davis cups, Olympic gold etc.

Fuck calcio anyway, like we are going to buy someone worthy of the milan jersey anyway. Might as well discuss tennis.

You really, really can.

Nadal has won plenty of slams, but his spread is atrocious. He has 9 wins at one single slam.

That's irrelevant.

Nope. Tennis is a 1-on-1 game. Certain players will have bad match-ups. Fed's is Nadal. If Nadal didn't exist, Fed would have plenty more slams. If Fed didn't exist, Nadal would only have a few more.

And Fed has many more weeks at no.1. He has many more slams. Nadal has been extremely fortunate to play in an era where most courts are getting slower and many titles are on clay. Have Fed play in an era with plenty of fast courts and masters on grass and carpet and he'd have huge numbers.

 

[Naraku]

I don't give a flog about either Nadal nor Federer.

But Federer is the Greatest.

Take his Wimbledon count out, he has 10 Grand slams take Nadal's French count out he has 5.

Overall, Nadal probably plays better, but he will be retired within 2 years due to his style and injuries. Not his fault but Rafa has only had to beat Fed, Djoker and last few years Murary ( though his spurt seems dead) on a consistent basis.

Old or not Fed still had to beat the likes of Agassi, Sampras , Hewitt and upstarts who could of been anything like Safin and Nalbandian ( seriously those two could of had it all).

I don't think many people give a flying fuck about Olympic gold or even the Masters....Anyway, should probably take it to the Tennis thread.


*Talking about h2h we have a worse h2h vs Roma, they are not better then us ( historically or trophy wins etc ). Which is actually pretty sad.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Again, you keep mentioning players who only played against a top ranked star a few times. I clearly specified about a top ranked star having a losing record against his MAIN rivals. So that fodder who has a winning h2h against serena doesnt come into the picture at all, which means your theory is flawed. You CANNOT be the GOAT if you have a losing, sorry, i mean lopsided h2h record against your main arch rival. Its absolutely shocking how one of the supposedly best players of all time hasnt been able to figure out a way to topple his arch rival. Not to mentioned he is 2-9 vs him against nadal in slams. I can also proclaim that if nadal had not been so injury prone, he would have had 17 titles already cause he was a defending US champion this year, he also missed out on a couple of slams in 2009 and 2010 where he was the reigning champion at the time. Had federer faced nadal in 2011 french open, he would have definitely lost to him. You can thank soderling for that one fluke french open.

Federer does fine against every lefty, why cant he do well against nadal lol. Its cause nadal is a better player than all those fodders he has played over the years. Who is mentally tougher in big games? Definitely nadal in this case.
Had nadal not been so injury prone, he would have had more weeks as number 1 too. Not nadal's fault that indoor hard courts are not part of slam category. Tennis is an outdoor sport, so nadal having a superior h2h against federer on hard courts is a testament to how good he actually he is on all surfaces. He beats federer on his preferred surfaces.
Federer himself mentioned that the courts arent slower than what they were when he dominated. So again, the courts getting slower is just a false excuse dreamed up by some federer fans who cant accept the fact their idol isnt even the best player in his own generation.

 

[KujaIX]

Courts clearly are getting slower.

You can have a losing h2h and still be superior.

GOAT isn't "GOAT compared to rivals" it is greatest of all time. Federer is the greatest player of all time. He has more slams, more weeks at no.1.

It's not Nadal's fault that slams are indoor?

Well it's not Fed's fault that Nadal is his kryptonite... Nadal's game is anti-Federer. That's not to say he doesn't beat others, but his game just beats Fed.

Plus, although they're merely rumours, one does have to consider the steroid thing. All of Spanish professional sport, imo, is tainted. Rumours and leaks emerge and Spanish football hits its apex, Nadal becomes a physical monster, Contador found to be doping.

Sure, others do it. But it's just far too shady to have Spanish sport attempt to cover something up that would so easily explain the dominance from nowhere.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Federer is 12 - 12 vs murray?? Nadal whoops him. He has a better record vs djokovic too compared to fedex.
No, you cannot be the GOAT with a losing h2h vs your arch rival. Not in a million years. Not federer's fault that nadal is his kryptonite lmaoooo. So its nadal's fault that federer cant beat him haha. Whatever dude, for me nadal is the GOAT. I have never seen a player who fights so hard for every point, his sheer determination, will power, mental toughness, physical abilities is probably the best i have ever seen. Nadal is c.ronaldo and federer is ibrahimovic not messi. Yeah thats about right.
Nadal has been tested 10 times per year ever since several argentinians were caught doping. If nadal is indeed doping then i will quit watching tennis forever.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

If our team had an ounce of the mental toughness nadal has, then we would annihilate every team in this weakest fodder a era.

 

[KujaIX]

Nadal's Jordi Alba

Fed is Pirlo.

and Agassi got caught with Crystal Meth dozens of times but was never prosecuted or banned.

Gasquet got caught with cocaine but explained it away saying he must have kissed a girl who'd snorted some.

I didn't say it was Nadal's fault.

I'm saying that it's not Fed's fault that Nadal's game is just complete anathema to Fed's.

 

[jammin]

Federer = Pirlo is spot on

 

[necromancer]

Nadal is Crissy Ronaldo. Federer is Zinedine Zidane.

 

[jammin]

Cristiano solos

 

[Sage]

nadal is jesus navas, federer is ruud gullit

 

[jammin]

Federer is KFC, Nadal is Sage

 

[Sage]

I am a fast food franchise?

there is no doubt that my brand is superior to KFC, it can sell in all markets except one where KFC excels at (south asia)



edit: ^ this example works better if federer = sage and not nadull

 

[jammin]

Shut up fatso

 

[Sage]

shut up indian kevin constant with anorexia

 

[jammin]

You're the lovechild of Wayne Rooney and a cheeseburger born out of a camel's ass

 

[Sage]

still better looking than the anorexic indian kevin constant

You're the love child of kevin constant and a sphynx cat