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I get all that, but the excitement for a project not yet up and running and the faith put in the board and management team that have proven that much with the A team is strange.

The optimism is lovely, I just find it odd given we need so much across many areas of the company.

Lots of distractions, but let's see what they do with the starting 11 I guess.

I'm being observational rather than pissing on folks chips.

That coolaid is tasting good I guess...

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I'm not exactly sure what this means, but it seems to upset you that people are happy and optimistic about the U23 project for some reason.

Reading this forum has been like reading a Greek tragedy for weeks, and here we have finally that one good thing almost everyone can agree on, and you're instantly mocking people with some weird Cool-Aid gifs and pictures. I don't know, man. :lol:
 

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Maurizio Ganz on the U23 Team via MN:

"Milan have made the right choice, other clubs will follow in the coming years. I think it’s important because instead of turning the players in a thousand loans you can keep it and make it grow at home. And those who are ready will be able to make the leap to the first team."

That's exactly what I was talking about @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips .
 

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If our primavera are good enough why will they stay in Seria C when we have a terrible track record off keeping lots of players.

I'm hopeful but not pinning our future on an as yet unproven project like others.

Sorry people... The pivoting and discussion over Simic is interesting as he's surely the sort of guy you'd want in Futuro playing regularly and getting chances with the A Team, but that seems to be causing division on all levels.

I'm just watching on with interest.

We have lots of plates spinning, the main one is the starting 11... I'd rather focus on that primarily.
It's because the transition from youth to first team football is jarring.

Here is the latest training video from Milan Futuro, our young players, fast forward to around the 40 second mark, and you will see them 1v1 and then 2v2 drills, etc.



And then compare training with the first team, 1v1, from a few days ago (starts around 2 minutes in):



Look at their touch. The kids, they take too many touches, their decisions are slower, they keep improvising, but all those cuts, all that fluff gets cut out once you go up against a better defender. Our first teamers, their choices are faster, shots are harder. You'll see the defenders are the ones who do the worst in the 1v1's (when attacking) they aren't attackers though, and you can see the difference in physicality, in speed, strength, etc.

Simic is an undersized CB, maybe he can overcome that? But he wants to play first team football. Okay, let's see what he does.

But the reason Serie C is such an important step is that, our players are going to be playing against grown ass men in Serie C. In the UEFA Youth League, we were playing kids around the same age as our kids, and our boys did great, two years in a row. But even in the primavera, you are allowed more leeway on the ages, but even then, it's still not enough to make sure can make that next jump.

In Serie C, they'll be playing against men, in their 20's, many in their 30's, are they super talents? No, but it's a much easier jump for youth players who are 16-19 to make that next jump, because there is a chasm between Primavera (youth) and First Team. Serie C provides a much easier transition for those players.

Yes, there are kids who do make it, and yes, there's Donna and Yamal etc etc, but there are also kids like Calabria, who get through. Calabria is a useful player, and I think that Serie C gives you a better chance of having more Calabria-level players on your team, which helps out your squad, but also, it's better for the players, and, of course, it helps that you can sell them for a profit which helps your club.

The club is already putting money into its youth team, regardless of whether there is a U23 team or not. You're already putting in millions into the youth system. You can abolish the youth system like Brentford, fine, but you're still going to have acquisition costs to get players, regardless. If you believe in youth, and I do, then you might as well put in the extra money to make sure you can extract even more value from the youth system--these are the elements that make a club... a club, an institution, rather than just a sporting franchise.

Clubs are where your kids learn to play, where they make friends, and many sporting clubs house other sports, like basketball, swimming, etc--but you know that--so there's a community aspect to it, that you can cynically say is a way to indoctrinate future fans, etc, but it's also about community, which our society sorely lacks, but that's another discussion.

So we have this talented class that came up with Abate: Camarda, Zeroli, Sia, Bartesaghi, etc. Let's say there are 6-7 talents there, with the U23, maybe instead of only having one develop, maybe it becomes two or three? Maybe more? Maybe we get lucky?

I'm not a fan of Redbird, but I give them their due. The stadium and this U23 team are big deals. Juventus and Atalanta have both taken advantage of using it, meanwhile Bayern, Barca, Real, the entire English reserve system, has helped them churn out more talents because of it--Italy is behind here and it is huge for our club.
 
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Dude u23 teams just exist for players that didnt have time to get loaned🤣🤣🤣🤣

Getting loaned is always the better option
Serie c SUCKS WE CAN ALREADY SEND THEM THERE ANYWAY

If ur playing in the u23..u probably suck..something went wrong with ur loan

Next year they will try again
Now instead of young kids.go play vs serie c fodder who are better then young kids and physically developed
 

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I'm not exactly sure what this means, but it seems to upset you that people are happy and optimistic about the U23 project for some reason.

Reading this forum has been like reading a Greek tragedy for weeks, and here we have finally that one good thing almost everyone can agree on, and you're instantly mocking people with some weird Cool-Aid gifs and pictures. I don't know, man. :lol:
Depending on what side of the many fences you are you can take things in all sorts of ways.

The coolaid GIFs are a bit of fun, although I'm definitely aiming some mockery at folk that quote managemt and believe the obvious media fodder that's pushed.

Re: U23... I've said it's nice to see optimism lol, you can quote me on that. I don't get the over enthusiastic take on things that haven't even started.

I've said I understand the idea and the point, thanks to golf doubling down on explaining what it's about... I simply don't see the point in very Ng over excited.

Our A Team additions are way more pivotal to our near future. While the C Team does what it does.

Hopefully we'll see some benefit, but we aren't winning #20 this coming season with an embryonic C Team taking a few years probably to start producing fruit.

I'm not sure why this stance is so alien or insulting or whatever?

People get so bent out of place when you mention caution or offer a slightly less coolaid lubricated view on things.

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I'm not exactly sure what this means, but it seems to upset you that people are happy and optimistic about the U23 project for some reason.

Reading this forum has been like reading a Greek tragedy for weeks, and here we have finally that one good thing almost everyone can agree on, and you're instantly mocking people with some weird Cool-Aid gifs and pictures. I don't know, man. :lol:
Milan Futuro is extremely exciting.
 

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It's because the transition from youth to first team football is jarring.

Here is the latest training video from Milan Futuro, our young players, fast forward to around the 40 second mark, and you will see them 1v1 and then 2v2 drills, etc.



And then compare training with the first team, 1v1, from a few days ago:



Look at their touch. The kids, they take too many touches, their decisions are slower, they keep improvising, but all those cuts, all that fluff gets cut out once you go up against a better defender. Our first teamers, their choices are faster, shots are harder. You'll see the defenders are the ones who do the worst in the 1v1's (when attacking) they aren't attackers though, and you can see the difference in physicality, in speed, strength, etc.

Simic is an undersized CB, maybe he can overcome that? But he wants to play first team football. Okay, let's see what he does.

But the reason Serie C is such an important step is that, our players are going to be playing against grown ass men in Serie C. In the UEFA Youth League, we were playing kids around the same age as our kids, and our boys did great, two years in a row. But even in the primavera, you are allowed more leeway on the ages, but even then, it's still not enough to make sure can make that next jump.

In Serie C, they'll be playing against men, in their 20's, many in their 30's, are they super talents? No, but it's a much easier jump for youth players who are 16-19 to make that next jump, because there is a chasm between Primavera (youth) and First Team. Serie C provides a much easier transition for those players.

Yes, there are kids who do make it, and yes, there's Donna and Yamal etc etc, but there are also kids like Calabria, who get through. Calabria is a useful player, and I think that Serie C gives you a better chance of having more Calabria-level players on your team, which helps out your squad, but also, it's better for the players, and, of course, it helps that you can sell them for a profit which helps your club.

The club is already putting money into its youth team, regardless of whether there is a U23 team or not. You're already putting in millions into the youth system. You can abolish the youth system like Brentford, fine, but you're still going to have acquisition costs to get players, regardless. If you believe in youth, and I do, then you might as well put in the extra money to make sure you can extract even more value from the youth system--these are the elements that make a club... a club, an institution, rather than just a sporting franchise.

Clubs are where your kids learn to play, where they make friends, and many sporting clubs house other sports, like basketball, swimming, etc--but you know that--so there's a community aspect to it, that you can cynically say is a way to indoctrinate future fans, etc, but it's also about community, which our society sorely lacks, but that's another discussion.

So we have this talented class that came up with Abate: Camarda, Zeroli, Sia, Bartesaghi, etc. Let's say there are 6-7 talents there, with the U23, maybe instead of only having one develop, maybe it becomes two or three? Maybe more? Maybe we get lucky?

I'm not a fan of Redbird, but I give them their due. The stadium and this U23 team are big deals. Juventus and Atalanta have both taken advantage of using it, meanwhile Bayern, Barca, Real, the entire English reserve system, has helped them churn out more talents because of it--Italy is behind here and it is huge for our club.

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Dude u23 teams just exist for players that didnt have time to get loaned🤣🤣🤣🤣

Getting loaned is always the better option
Serie c SUCKS WE CAN ALREADY SEND THEM THERE ANYWAY

If ur playing in the u23..u probably suck..something went wrong with ur loan

Next year they will try again
Now instead of young kids.go play vs serie c fodder who are better then young kids and physically developed
Freddy. Come on bro, you have too much football knowledge and scouting skill.

Bayern, Real, Barca, Man Utd, they all have B teams, they call it different things, some are in 2nd/B divisions, some are in 3/C or 4/D divisions, but they are important places to grow players.

Yes, when you have an Mbappe or Maldini or R9 or Messi or whatever, those guys are going to become stars as a 8 year old and turn pro at 9 and become world-class at 10, maybe 11. But not every player is going to be a phenom at a young age, some players take more time to develop, and that's fine.

I don't see why it isn't better for us to have our coaches watch over a player's development then to send out the kids to some other team, where the coach has to worry about his job, and so won't be guaranteed to play or not.

I also believe that there are going to be limits on the amount of players that you can loan out in the future, which makes this even more important. I think those limits might not exist for younger players? I don't remember, exactly, but I think this U23 team is really important.
 

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That's exactly what I was talking about @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips .
But aren't our better prospects going on loan to lower Serie A clubs?

Look I get what's being said, if that not clear maybe my broad Scottish accent is confusing...

I want #20 this year, not in 5 years.

But I see a benefit to having this side project, I'm just not as jazzed as many I guess.

Samardzic gets me jazzed, a 30yo or whatever he is returning to our C Team doesn't do much.

Do you get me or are we dancing all night lol x
 

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But aren't our better prospects going on loan to lower Serie A clubs?

Look I get what's being said, if that not clear maybe my broad Scottish accent is confusing...

I want #20 this year, not in 5 years.

But I see a benefit to having this side project, I'm just not as jazzed as many I guess.

Samardzic gets me jazzed, a 30yo or whatever he is returning to our C Team doesn't do much.

Do you get me or are we dancing all night lol x
We have more of an incentive of playing our players in the B team even if that player doesn’t help the team win. If it’s better for his development, we would risk not winning. Clubs where we send those guys on loan won’t take that risk.
 

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Lol, I'm sorry that was long.

Here in Haiku form:

The gap between the
First team and the youth can be
big, so this will help.
You know I love you bro...

I'm l just not understanding folk not understanding I'm just not getting overly worked up over a C Team just now.

Im.exvited to see what we do with the A Team...

I guess I am being a little bit of a fun sponge if you take me that way...
 

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Freddy. Come on bro, you have too much football knowledge and scouting skill.

Bayern, Real, Barca, Man Utd, they all have B teams, they call it different things, some are in 2nd/B divisions, some are in 3/C or 4/D divisions, but they are important places to grow players.

Yes, when you have an Mbappe or Maldini or R9 or Messi or whatever, those guys are going to become stars as a 8 year old and turn pro at 9 and become world-class at 10, maybe 11. But not every player is going to be a phenom at a young age, some players take more time to develop, and that's fine.

I don't see why it isn't better for us to have our coaches watch over a player's development then to send out the kids to some other team, where the coach has to worry about his job, and so won't be guaranteed to play or not.

I also believe that there are going to be limits on the amount of players that you can loan out in the future, which makes this even more important. I think those limits might not exist for younger players? I don't remember, exactly, but I think this U23 team is really important.

Depending on costs wich i assume are on the low side..its not a bad thing to have a u23 by any means

All im saying is..its a minor thing
It doesnt excite me
Ok now our youth can play vs serie c teams while getting coached by mediocre ac milan coaches
If they were good u send them to belgium or whatever not serie c🤣

Only for the ultrayoung its good like camarda..he can get guaranteed serie c experience at a very young age..(although loan clauses exist like for example minimum amount of games that the talent needs to play..not idea but still)

As soon as someone is 17/18 and its a real talent .they need to go belgium or some bottom serie a team

16 is the new 18
Yesterday a 14 year old debuted (somewhere cant remember)
 

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Apparently the dude didn't play for a whole season but still... He was once a high rated prospect. Starter in Milan primavera for 2 seasons, called for all Romania youth teams. Still 20. Can't possibly be rated so low.
Totally forgot about Coubis. Seems he had a serious injury. That sucks. The guy's a physical beast! Hopefully he can recover. I was always interested to see ahat becomes of him.
 

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Our coaches and the serie c arent good enough to replace a loan at top level simply

And if they cant get a loan at top level...then they suck and are irrelevant

Only useful for very young players to avoid dealing with loanclubs and their antics

or simply if u didnt find a proper loanclub yet or was too late or whatever..then its decent alternative..nothing more
 

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How long till folk turn on him for making stupid fouls and picking up stupid and avoidable cards lol.

I miss the old days of players kicking players and committing professional fouls.

What a time to be alive...
 

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You know I love you bro...

I'm.jidt not understanding folk not understanding I'm just not getting overly worked up over a C Team just now.

Im.exvited to see what we do with the A Team...

I guess I am being a little bit of a fun sponge if you take me that way...
I love you too, I'm all for skepticism of this management, they deserve way more questioning than they get, I agree with you, but on this... I gotta give them credit.

It won't bear fruit in the immediate future, but that doesn't mean it won't be important later on.

I also think it's important because we just so happen to have a very talented group of youth players that are on the cusp of that choice between youth football and first team football, and this being implemented might help many of them develop, I think that's where a lot of excitement stems from.

But I also think that you can look at Juve, they have a lot of players they've developed through that system, that is helping them now, both financially and on the sporting-side.

Let's see what they do with the first team, I want to see what they do, who they sell, let's see what Fonseca does.

I just have high hopes for so many of our youth players and I want them to become stars here, so I'm excited for it, that's all.
 

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How long till folk turn on him for making stupid fouls and picking up stupid and avoidable cards lol.

I miss the old days of players kicking players and committing professional fouls.

What a time to be alive...
Yo man you ran out of straw men and ghosts to fight?



I will never turn on him as long as he shows the will to fight for the shirt.

I love Tomori, I love flamini, I love ambrosonin, I love gattuso

Higher your studs more your red cards in valiant effort more I like you.
 

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Depending on costs wich i assume are on the low side..its not a bad thing to have a u23 by any means

All im saying is..its a minor thing
It doesnt excite me
Ok now our youth can play vs serie c teams while getting coached by mediocre ac milan coaches
If they were good u send them to belgium or whatever not serie c🤣

Only for the ultrayoung its good like camarda..he can get guaranteed serie c experience at a very young age..(although loan clauses exist like for example minimum amount of games that the talent needs to play..not idea but still)

As soon as someone is 17/18 and its a real talent .they need to go belgium or some bottom serie a team

16 is the new 18
Yesterday a 14 year old debuted (somewhere cant remember)

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I feel like this is how folk see us when talking about this subject bro lol... Simply put, yeah we ain't that excited about it guys.
 
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