The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[Curupira]

this motta downfall losing the job to juric is rough

Don’t they know he acheived 6 points back from 1st place at one point last season?

 

[grandeacm2]

What are your non trash affordable leaders who fill all of our positions of need?

We need great players forget wannabe leaders
Modric is enough as leader
You can’t be a leader at Milan without credibility
You target respected world class players who have won the CL or World Cup or at least a ton of domestic trophies and make them leaders
Players like Modric, Griezmann, Isco would be good examples in the current market
You don’t target players who play for Leverkusen

People here think Kjaer was a leader
Only Ibra was a leader because he’s a proven winner and because the other players were afraid he would kick their asses

 

[P.Lorre]

Players like Modric, Griezmann, Isco would be good examples in the current market
You don’t target players who play for Leverkusen

Isco

Ok, you had us going until you dropped this name... Good work

 

[amanmilan]

Chiesa insists Milan will 'immediately aim for the Scudetto' with Allegri amid links

Federico Chiesa believes that AC Milan will aim for the Scudetto under Massimiliano Allegri, amid reports he is a transfer target.

sempremilan.com

He clearly wants to come.

 

[Raghav]

Oshimen is available and would be the much better choice. Actually we should push for him and have Gimenez as our other striker. Why is management not all over him?

People act like us improving is hard but it’s a question of willingness to fund the right mercato.

Come back to reality bro,

We spent 35 on a striker 6 months back.

No chance we spending 75 on another and then pay like 10mil or so salary every year ..

 

[leaf]

you didn't need to type all this to post the most unoriginal thought on this forum

I guess he feels compelled to state the obvious because there was a lot of pro-Moneyball sentiment here during the Pioli era.

To me it was always obvious that we needed to splash the cash but other posters like Sam and brk kept pointing out that there were big money flops everywhere (also true). But that was also part of the effort. Pep had lots of players who didn't really justify the price. Same as Mourinho at Chelsea.

So back then (not sure if the pro-Moneyball ppl are still around) that was a thing. Truth be told, I was hoping that Moncada would have been a great moneyballer. But it's waaay more difficult to do irl. Emerson was shit at Tottenham.....so the odds he would have been great for us are very small. Kyle Walker was declining at City....continued to be underwhelming here. Morata has NEVER been a volume scorer (Maldini tried this shit with Origi) etc.

My dad always says "good thing ain't cheap"

In the end, you'll probably end up spending the same amount on a ton of hit-and-hope players, most of whom end up being shit - than the couple of GOOD players you actually need. See also coaching staff.

I get that I am preaching to the choir here also

 

[Kmoney]

Yeah but Allegri practically destroyed him at Juve. And now he's supposed to be Allegris wet dream?

Very weird link IMO.

I think we should just keep Santi. I think he has some injury and fitness issues early on.

I mean unless we can get someone clearly better like Gyokeres, which seems unlikely without champions league

 

[Az.]

Modric and Xhaka is exactly what we need in midfield. Wish they were a bit younger though

A cripple, and an overrated twat?

 

[forward]

Have we sold everyone already?

 

[Dokoa]

Albanian npuberty here just doesn’t like Xhaka because he chose not to represent that back water ass goat fucking country.

He's not Albanian

 

[Alo88]

Yup another shit ’’leader’’ like Montolivo
I don’t know how you posted this and thought this would be a good argument for him

1. He fails to lead his own teammates because nobody respects this fool
2. He throws his teammates under the bus

Anybody can run his mouth like that even without getting paid millions.
As the captain he is the first one that should take responsibility for the loss.
What a joke dude.

He was made captain in every team he ever set foot in – club and country. What makes you think he’s not respected? That he can’t lead? You think coaches hand the armband to someone just because he’s good at running his mouth?

You don’t get that kind of responsibility in multiple teams, under different managers, across different leagues, unless you command respect. Not by being liked only. By being respected. Big difference. How can you rate a clown like Shaqiri higher!? What's your argument there??!

If anything, what Xhaka said after that game is exactly what a real leader says when nobody else has the guts to. Sugarcoating failure is easy – calling it out isn’t.

 

[milanator]

We deserve what the club can afford organically as a club, anything more is luck. Entitlement for a sugar daddy won't do us any good.

 

[mPanucci]

Here’s the problem with modern Milan fans
They barely remember our glory era and some of them even became fans during banter era
They believe the myth of gradual improvement from underdogs to champions that is present in Hollywood movies
They think with persistence and hard work and low-risk investment we can go back to previous heights
This is why they get so invested on mediocre players who come here and think they will improve and in just a couple of years they will become world class and win CL and Scudetto every year

But here’s the reality:
If you go and look back while Milan had some great youth players they won mostly thanks to spending big money on signings
Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard = Bought from Dutch league
Ancelotti = Bought from Roma
Tassotti = Bought from Lazio before Silvio
Boban = Bought from Dinamo
Savicevic = Bought from Red Star
Lentini = Bought from Torino world record transfer back then
Donadoni = Bought from Atalanta
Desailly, Papin = Bought from Marseille
Weah = Bought from PSG
Baggio = Bought from Juventus
Bierhoff = Bought from Udinese
Leonardo = Bought from PSG
Serginho = Bought from Sao Paolo
Shevchenko = Bought from Ukraine
Inzaghi = Bought from Juventus
Rui Costa = Bought from Fiorentina this remained the transfer record for Milan for decades
Nesta = Bought from Lazio
Kaka = Bought from Sao Paolo
etc.

I couldn’t list all of them here but you get the point
And majority of these players we bought in their 20s

Milan won because it was a money club
Milan needs a rich owner who is willing to invest in a Galacticos-like project to bring back the club to relevancy
We cannot continue with this pathetic ownership

And this is precisely where your misjudgement lies. Back then, money alone made the difference, but not today.

In addition, the owner investments you can make are clearly regulated and therefore limited.

There is massive evidence that there are limits to this. Look at Leipzig, Juventus, Girona, Wolverhampton, Hoffenheim, Rennes, United, Fulham, Nice or Wolfsburg.

If it's as simple as you claim? What is Manchester United's problem? Do you think Fernando Roig or Dietmar Hopp are just stupid if it's that simple?

Or maybe it's just you?

Oh shit, I'm starting to argue with the horndog again.

 

[ymsv]

I guess he feels compelled to state the obvious because there was a lot of pro-Moneyball sentiment here during the Pioli era.

To me it was always obvious that we needed to splash the cash but other posters like Sam and brk kept pointing out that there were big money flops everywhere (also true). But that was also part of the effort. Pep had lots of players who didn't really justify the price. Same as Mourinho at Chelsea.

So back then (not sure if the pro-Moneyball ppl are still around) that was a thing. Truth be told, I was hoping that Moncada would have been a great moneyballer. But it's waaay more difficult to do irl. Emerson was shit at Tottenham.....so the odds he would have been great for us are very small. Kyle Walker was declining at City....continued to be underwhelming here. Morata has NEVER been a volume scorer (Maldini tried this shit with Origi) etc.

My dad always says "good thing ain't cheap"

In the end, you'll probably end up spending the same amount on a ton of hit-and-hope players, most of whom end up being shit - than the couple of GOOD players you actually need. See also coaching staff.

I get that I am preaching to the choir here also

We do not have the money to compete with wealthier clubs . That time is over , unless some rich Gulf country does not want to make a political statement . Similar to what Berlusconi did . We have to use Moneyball .

 

[grandeacm2]

Inter has proven that a selling club can in fact be very competitive.

I suppose losing the final by 5-0, jobbing to Fonseca and Conceicao and only winning one scudetto once in 4 years is competitive
Boy, you didn’t think this one through did you?

I don’t want Milan to become ’’competitive’’, I want Milan to be a leading club in football
I’d rather not play a final if we don’t have any chance of winning

This is why these small projects never go anywhere

 

[Seedorf149]

Smart

Emerson Royal is not believed to be part of AC Milan’s plans, and he has told his agent where he would like to move.

This makes me so fucking hard!!!

#NoHomo

Smart man, keep him.

 

[papaberlu]

Kicker reports Milan want Xhaka

I'd love em he's been amazing for Leverkusen

 

[Master Smurf]

Leao isnt a 100mil player.

A certain section right now

 

[papaberlu]

@ACM14061988 Brescia filed for bankruptcy sadly

how many more are needed for Futuro?

 

[R.Akbar]

I mean Inter situation isnt looking rosy but we also have (until proven against it) a dinosaur for a coach, a team that all of our best players gave up on, and our main signing is a 40 year old.

I wouldnt laugh at inter.

You underestimate the power of experience.
Something that Milan lack of.

 

[kevin_dk]

Leao + 40M = Musiala who is a CM, AM, and LW. And he runs. A lot.

I would take it

 

[LemonCookies]

We need great players forget wannabe leaders
Modric is enough as leader
You can’t be a leader at Milan without credibility
You target respected world class players who have won the CL or World Cup or at least a ton of domestic trophies and make them leaders
Players like Modric, Griezmann, Isco would be good examples in the current market
You don’t target players who play for Leverkusen

People here think Kjaer was a leader
Only Ibra was a leader because he’s a proven winner and because the other players were afraid he would kick their asses

Can you answer my question?

Assuming Mike, Leao, and Reijnders leave, along with a CB, who would you want us to bring in who would be affordable, a leader, and of a quality that is never mediocre, for GK, LB, DM, CM, and LW?

 

[Alo88]

Here’s the problem with modern Milan fans
They barely remember our glory era and some of them even became fans during banter era
They believe the myth of gradual improvement from underdogs to champions that is present in Hollywood movies
They think with persistence and hard work and low-risk investment we can go back to previous heights
This is why they get so invested on mediocre players who come here and think they will improve and in just a couple of years they will become world class and win CL and Scudetto every year

But here’s the reality:
If you go and look back while Milan had some great youth players they won mostly thanks to spending big money on signings
Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard = Bought from Dutch league
Ancelotti = Bought from Roma
Tassotti = Bought from Lazio before Silvio
Boban = Bought from Dinamo
Savicevic = Bought from Red Star
Lentini = Bought from Torino world record transfer back then
Donadoni = Bought from Atalanta
Desailly, Papin = Bought from Marseille
Weah = Bought from PSG
Baggio = Bought from Juventus
Bierhoff = Bought from Udinese
Leonardo = Bought from PSG
Serginho = Bought from Sao Paolo
Shevchenko = Bought from Ukraine
Inzaghi = Bought from Juventus
Rui Costa = Bought from Fiorentina this remained the transfer record for Milan for decades
Nesta = Bought from Lazio
Kaka = Bought from Sao Paolo
etc.

I couldn’t list all of them here but you get the point
And majority of these players we bought in their 20s

Milan won because it was a money club
Milan needs a rich owner who is willing to invest in a Galacticos-like project to bring back the club to relevancy
We cannot continue with this pathetic ownership

I mean, I even agree with you on the disaster that is our current ownership, no debate there – but if your grand masterplan is "let’s just wait for an oil state to buy us" and in the meantime rage at everything and everyone that’s not elite… wow. Groundbreaking strategy.

You think just demanding a billionaire and whining until he shows up is a plan? It’s not. It’s wishful thinking.

Until that fantasy owner knocks on our door, maybe – just maybe – we need to act like a football club with a brain instead of a Reddit thread with delusions of grandeur (not that Redbird has been a prime example so far on that, agreed).

 

[LemonCookies]

He's not Albanian

But he’s old and shitty and smells like Kebab

 

[pippofan]

xhaka, vlahovic and cambiaso are trash

any other Serie A club signs any of those 3, and the reaction here would be "WTF ARE WE DOING!?" 100%

Vlahovic was awesome at Fiorentina where he played closer to goal, has a good shot and good free kick taker. In an off season and often benched still scored 15 goals and 5 assists in all competitions. Only 25 but more proven, and with Serie A experience, an upgrade over Gimenez, imo. The problem is what do you do with Santi unless we play with 2 strikers?

In that scenario I would keep Camarda with the big club, but it would mean selling Leao in a 4-4-2 or 3 at the back formation. with 4-3-3 sell Santi because you can't spend 35 on a back-up.

Seems that Vlahovic's problems with Allegri have been resolved, Juve will keep Muani, and could probably be had for around 40 million, or 25 plus Kalulu, so I would take a gamble on him. With Leao also gone we could afford a strong midfielder, Dodo at RB and a good CB in addition to Leoni. I think we'll be much improved as a team with those moves.

 

[Master Smurf]

No Koreans on AC Milan thank you very much.

Always room for the one - he could slay all our stars and summon them as their best selves

 

[leaf]

You make it sound so simple

We just need to come together and put down the guns bro
#WorldPeaceUnlocked

 

[LemonCookies]

I’ll say this and then focus on work: it doesn’t matter whether Leao is a 100mil player in reality. Contrary to the weak dick Maldini route from years ago, we need to be ruthless. Clubs need to meet our demands, otherwise we’re cucks. Settling for paltry fees isn’t good for us. We don’t need to sell for less.

 

[Dokoa]

Kicker reports Milan want Xhaka

I'd love em he's been amazing for Leverkusen

Tare will bring him 100%

 

[LemonCookies]

We just need to come together and put down the guns bro
#WorldPeaceUnlocked

Guns down, gas up

#jivara