The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[Ryo]

You know why Italy is shit ?
It’s because no good Italian player plays for Milan.

When Milan stopped buying or producing great Italians, Italy’s performance started to decline rapidly.

Italy can only become great again if Milan starts producing or buying and investing in top Italian talents.

Ah, but the difference was that clubs in Italy used to develop their Italians In-house.
Maldini, Baresi, Costacurta, Tassotti, Albertini.
Donadoni came to Milan after being developed in Atalanta and playing their senior team for 4 years.
Ancelotti plied his trade for a couple of years at Parma (his youth team) before moving to Roma and then Milan.
Fab Cannavaro played 4 seasons at childhood club Napoli before he was then signed on elsewhere.

Nowadays the moment a kid in Italy has one good season, he's snapped up by another team for a massive that has no fucking idea how to develop and improve him.
They play him because they paid big money for him, but at the first mistake they make on the pitch, they dump him to the bench, never to be seen again.
Fan's of the new team are less patient on non-homegrown players that are inconsistent. It's simple as that.
That is not development, that is purely buying a player who isn't ready, and then giving up on him at the first hurdle.
It's no wonder why so many "talented" kids these days are one or two-season wonders, and are never spoken of ever again until they somehow mature enough to become "more than a bench option".

The Youth team to bridge the gap is a great idea, as Atalanta and Ladri's Next Gen have proven, but even that takes time to develop, and Milan need to fix their shit with Futuro.
Kids moving up need to know that developing their skills and nurturing their talent are the most important part of that program, not actually achieving sporting results, but in Italy it's hard because any poor results makes you a "failure" of a project in the Papers. Regardless of anything, Image and Results are King.

The whole Italian system needs to be nuked into oblivion and rebuilt.
Otherwise it won't just be a third straight 4 year cycle of no World Cup.
Mentalities also need to change, but with the dinosaurs in charge at the FIGC and the Merda-centric newspapers that love blasting their rivals at every chance, the whole environment is too toxic.

 

[ACM14061988]

Suma said everyone will be happy if Leao, Theo and Maignan stay but then we should not expect many new signigns and we will be the same team that completely failed last season and in the last months of Pioli. He does not say that they are not leaders but he let us understand that none of them are leaders and that Milan fans must wish for a united club with players who really want to stay here. Milan fans are scared that we will sell everyone and buy noone but there will be many new signings

 

[MilanFan89]

With the sale of Reijnders and Theo, Milan should be able to make a strong squad again with people like Tare and Allegri.
Napoli just proved, you dont need all top players to win the league.
I mean they just won the league with player like Spinazzola, Mazzochi, Olivera.
We had better names in defence, but didnt work out, because of too many individuals and lack of leadership.

Also look what happens at psg. Letting Mbappe go, and they win the CL lol.
Atalanta proving it for years, no worldclass players, but always top 3 top 4.
A good coach and staff should be able to make a competitive squad, even without worldclass players.

So why should we be upset for losing Reijnders, Theo and leao ?
Big names doesnt always give you big results.
Man city, Real Madrid, Inter, didnt win anything lol

 

[pippofan]

Mike and Theo’s behavior so far this summer says a lot about them

If they stay nothing will change in their play and this confirms it

They were made captains you know fuck me the standard is beneath the floor

Making a keeper captain is never a good idea while in Theo's case maybe they thought that being captain would motivate him, make him proud, and offer a good example to his team-mates. As usual, they thought wrong.

 

[The Cat]

Suma said everyone will be happy if Leao, Theo and Maignan stay but then we should not expect many new signigns and we will be the same team that completely failed last season and in the last months of Pioli. He does not say that they are not leaders but he let us understand that none of them are leaders and that Milan fans must wish for a united club with players who really want to stay here. Milan fans are scared that we will sell everyone and buy noone but there will be many new signings

The linked names (modric, xhaka, vlahovic) plus some younger guys (i.e zhegrova, retegui, svilar, Gila etc...)..can be fine if done properly.

I just hope leao stays. Losing all 3 of them is a bit too much IMO

 

[Wild]

Mike and Theo’s behavior so far this summer says a lot about them

If they stay nothing will change in their play and this confirms it

They were made captains you know fuck me the standard is beneath the floor

They both were signed by Maldini

 

[Pigeon]

In the NBA you call it volume shooting

Don't forget that in the CL when it counted he got erased by a teenage debutant

 

[Pb02]

With the sale of Reijnders and Theo, Milan should be able to make a strong squad again with people like Tare and Allegri.
Napoli just proved, you dont need all top players to win the league.
I mean they just won the league with player like Spinazzola, Mazzochi, Olivera.
We had better names in defence, but didnt work out, because of too many individuals and lack of leadership.

Also look what happens at psg. Letting Mbappe go, and they win the CL lol.
Atalanta proving it for years, no worldclass players, but always top 3 top 4.
A good coach and staff should be able to make a competitive squad, even without worldclass players.

So why should we be upset for losing Reijnders, Theo and leao ?
Big names doesnt always give you big results.
Man city, Real Madrid, Inter, didnt win anything lol

Napoli spent 35 millions on Buongiorno, 30 on Lukaku, 30 on McTominay, 30 on Neres plus a couple minor signings. And got Conte. So yeah you need top players to win the league and some of your competition to botch it like Inter, Juve or we did too.

PSG got the CL, not gonna even check how many millions they spent on their team, or Barca or whoever won the Premier. Our team is not good enough as it is, if you sell Tij, Theo, Maigan and Leao, Milan's level is battling for relegation, and to get us back in CL we would need to spend way over 200 millions, that is around 10 Chuck and RLC's to you with some Tij in there if you are lucky.

 

[SecondStar]

I'd rather keep Leao than all these deals, there is too much quality lost. Shows the difference to Reijnders imo, Leao is basically irreplaceable.
If we sell him we should at least do so in a season were we have qualified for CL.

You leao cultists are sick people. No way you were sober typing this.

 

[AC Kid]

So apparently Lautaro Martinez, together with some Italian players ( very hard to Guess who) have requested a doping/drug test for the PSG player Doue.

PSG owner feels offended and says that the request will have consequences

Is this real? Source?

 

[Master Smurf]

Suma said everyone will be happy if Leao, Theo and Maignan stay but then we should not expect many new signigns and we will be the same team that completely failed last season and in the last months of Pioli. He does not say that they are not leaders but he let us understand that none of them are leaders and that Milan fans must wish for a united club with players who really want to stay here. Milan fans are scared that we will sell everyone and buy noone but there will be many new signings

Damn .....Suma went in
Gerald making sure the bonuses hit the correct accounts

I agree though - these players had their time and failed to continue to improve which was the hope when they started at a young age.

It has been three seasons now where we have been around 20 pts off the top and every season bar one, embarrassing displays in CL.
Continuing with them all would be insanity.

 

[ymsv]

They both were signed by Maldini

 

[MilanFan89]

Napoli spent 35 millions on Buongiorno, 30 on Lukaku, 30 on McTominay, 30 on Neres plus a couple minor signings. And got Conte. So yeah you need top players to win the league and some of your competition to botch it like Inter, Juve or we did too.

PSG got the CL, not gonna even check how many millions they spent on their team, or Barca or whoever won the Premier. Our team is not good enough as it is, if you sell Tij, Theo, Maigan and Leao, Milan's level is battling for relegation, and to get us back in CL we would need to spend way over 200 millions, that is around 10 Chuck and RLC's to you with some Tij in there if you are lucky.

Buongiorno and Neres where injured most of the time, and didnt add much this season.
And I dont call Mctominay, Gilmour, Olivera, Raspadori, Spinazzola, Lobotka top players.
Mctominay had a great season though, but before he was shit at man utd. Thats what I meant, what a good coach and staff can do.
On paper we had better players then them.

Psg played better without Mbappe, yeah they spend a lot, but without their star player, they won everything.

 

[pippofan]

Italy's performance yesterday was shameful, disastrous, catastrophic, giving more ammo to the anti-Italy gang proving them right in their evaluations. Spalletti is turning out to be a terrible choice, guess some coaches can handle clubs but not country's squad, others viceversa, except for Conte who did well in both. After watching the exciting Spain-France this was a huge let down and wonder what the score would have been vs those two.

Didn't watch the whole game, stopped at 2:0 because was disgusted by the way they played, but the only one that didn't suck was the youngest one, Coppola. Speaking of CBs, my fear is that with Chivu at Inter Leoni might follow his Parma coach there, a young player that everyone seem to believe has a great future ahead of him.

Even normally reliable players like Barella, Bastoni, and Di Lorenzo were terrible, the Interisti I can excuse because they might be exhausted playing almost every match and will continue in the Club World Cup. Udogie that some here like did not impress me and never has every time I watch him, Rovella looked nervous and didn't do much to be noticed, Retegui for Italy is a shadow of the one in Atalanta where he has Ederson, De Roon, Lookman, Pasalic in support. This is my verdict on players associated with Milan, complete failures all of them.

 

[Nestafan]

This market is giving me the fear already

I just want Italians. We already suck. Although Allegri gives me some hope. Don't give a shit about his perceived negative approach to games. Winning is all that matters.

 

[grandeacm2]

Suma said everyone will be happy if Leao, Theo and Maignan stay but then we should not expect many new signigns and we will be the same team that completely failed last season and in the last months of Pioli. He does not say that they are not leaders but he let us understand that none of them are leaders and that Milan fans must wish for a united club with players who really want to stay here. Milan fans are scared that we will sell everyone and buy noone but there will be many new signings

This is shit. I don't want many new signings, I want a few big signings.
Many new signings just screams ''many new fodders''.

I wonder what these fools are even doing?
Probably will look for deals all summer long with a shoestring budget and will sign a bunch of fodders nobody wants.
A serious club makes signings in June already. These fools will use the excuse of ''The market isn't open yet, it opens in July''.

 

[Master Smurf]

Italy's performance yesterday was shameful, disastrous, catastrophic, giving more ammo to the anti-Italy gang proving them right in their evaluations. Spalletti is turning out to be a terrible choice, guess some coaches can handle clubs but not country's squad, others viceversa, except for Conte who did well in both. After watching the exciting Spain-France this was a huge let down and wonder what the score would have been vs those two.

Didn't watch the whole game, stopped at 2:0 because was disgusted by the way they played, but the only one that didn't suck was the youngest one, Coppola. Speaking of CBs, my fear is that with Chivu at Inter Leoni might follow his Parma coach at there, a young player that everyone seem to believe has a great future ahead of him.

Even normally reliable players like Barella, Bastoni, and Di Lorenzo were terrible, the Interisti I can excuse because they might be exhausted playing almost every match and will continue in the Club World Cup. Udogie that some here like did not impress me and never has every time I watch him, Rovella looked nervous and didn't do much to be noticed, Retegui for Italy is a shadow of the one in Atalanta where he has Ederson, De Roon, Lookman, Pasalic in support. This is my verdict on players associated with Milan, complete failures all of them.

I like Spalletti but suspect he is a coach that needs players for an extended time.

Getting blown away by Norway though who are usually a very deliberate side is worrying. You would expect a boring nil all or a goal either way.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Ah, but the difference was that clubs in Italy used to develop their Italians In-house.
Maldini, Baresi, Costacurta, Tassotti, Albertini.
Donadoni came to Milan after being developed in Atalanta and playing their senior team for 4 years.
Ancelotti plied his trade for a couple of years at Parma (his youth team) before moving to Roma and then Milan.
Fab Cannavaro played 4 seasons at childhood club Napoli before he was then signed on elsewhere.

Nowadays the moment a kid in Italy has one good season, he's snapped up by another team for a massive that has no fucking idea how to develop and improve him.
They play him because they paid big money for him, but at the first mistake they make on the pitch, they dump him to the bench, never to be seen again.
Fan's of the new team are less patient on non-homegrown players that are inconsistent. It's simple as that.
That is not development, that is purely buying a player who isn't ready, and then giving up on him at the first hurdle.
It's no wonder why so many "talented" kids these days are one or two-season wonders, and are never spoken of ever again until they somehow mature enough to become "more than a bench option".

The Youth team to bridge the gap is a great idea, as Atalanta and Ladri's Next Gen have proven, but even that takes time to develop, and Milan need to fix their shit with Futuro.
Kids moving up need to know that developing their skills and nurturing their talent are the most important part of that program, not actually achieving sporting results, but in Italy it's hard because any poor results makes you a "failure" of a project in the Papers. Regardless of anything, Image and Results are King.

The whole Italian system needs to be nuked into oblivion and rebuilt.
Otherwise it won't just be a third straight 4 year cycle of no World Cup.
Mentalities also need to change, but with the dinosaurs in charge at the FIGC and the Merda-centric newspapers that love blasting their rivals at every chance, the whole environment is too toxic.

First we need to find a system. What are we
What is the profile we need
What do we want to play.

System players from youth team needs to be developed.

Buy players who fit the system or players that can be moulded to fit into our system.

We don’t even know what system we want to utilize.

If it’s terror ball then fuck yea go ahead and get players that suit the kind of football we want to play

Develop from youth level. They need to be integrated seamlessly.

System players replacing our main ones won’t cause a drop in quality cause they are familiar with the process and know what to do.

 

[grandeacm2]

Italy's performance yesterday was shameful, disastrous, catastrophic, giving more ammo to the anti-Italy gang proving them right in their evaluations. Spalletti is turning out to be a terrible choice, guess some coaches can handle clubs but not country's squad, others viceversa, except for Conte who did well in both. After watching the exciting Spain-France this was a huge let down and wonder what the score would have been vs those two.

Didn't watch the whole game, stopped at 2:0 because was disgusted by the way they played, but the only one that didn't suck was the youngest one, Coppola. Speaking of CBs, my fear is that with Chivu at Inter Leoni might follow his Parma coach at there, a young player that everyone seem to believe has a great future ahead of him.

Even normally reliable players like Barella, Bastoni, and Di Lorenzo were terrible, the Interisti I can excuse because they might be exhausted playing almost every match and will continue in the Club World Cup. Udogie that some here like did not impress me and never has every time I watch him, Rovella looked nervous and didn't do much to be noticed, Retegui for Italy is a shadow of the one in Atalanta where he has Ederson, De Roon, Lookman, Pasalic in support. This is my verdict on players associated with Milan, complete failures all of them.

Related to WC Qualifiers: Tonight Albania will play Serbia
And once again FIFA/UEFA allowed fans in the stadum, they never learn
I bet the match will end in 20 minutes due to crowd disturbance

 

[pippofan]

Napoli spent 35 millions on Buongiorno, 30 on Lukaku, 30 on McTominay, 30 on Neres plus a couple minor signings. And got Conte. So yeah you need top players to win the league and some of your competition to botch it like Inter, Juve or we did too.

PSG got the CL, not gonna even check how many millions they spent on their team, or Barca or whoever won the Premier. Our team is not good enough as it is, if you sell Tij, Theo, Maigan and Leao, Milan's level is battling for relegation, and to get us back in CL we would need to spend way over 200 millions, that is around 10 Chuck and RLC's to you with some Tij in there if you are lucky.

When I read that we have more talent than Napoli I can't help but laugh: look at their midfield of Anguissa, Lobotka, McTominay all better than ours. Buongiorno at CB better than all ours put together, Lukaku 14 goals and 10 assists still going strong, Di Lorenzo and Politano decent, with the winger a great fighter that is able to keep his job against challengers like Lozano.

ADL promises a huge mercato so they will get even better including KDR already done and David close. Looking on a LW to replace Kvara, and Noa Long has been mentioned, as well as a strong CB to join Rrhamani. We have a massive job ahead of us to catch up to Napoli's level that have a better owner and coach than we do. ADL is not cheap when buying an expensive player and they usually do very well and sold at profit.

 

[grandeacm2]

If it’s terror ball then fuck yea go ahead and get players that suit the kind of football we want to play

I disagree.
Terror ball = Turning into the next Jubentus never winning CL.
Serie A clubs(especially Milan) need their own stadiums at the minimum.
And then we need to go back to being the Real Madrid of Italy. Signing big football stars and playing offensive football.
Every season playing terror ball is a wasted season.

Terror ball means you win scudetto at most and at most be a jobber in CL Finals.

I'm afraid the situation won't change much until the 2030s when Italy hosts the Euro 2032 .

 

[grandeacm2]

You leao cultists are sick people. No way you were sober typing this.

Lmao
Milanator has Pioli in his pfp after all

 

[ymsv]

Italy's performance yesterday was shameful, disastrous, catastrophic, giving more ammo to the anti-Italy gang proving them right in their evaluations. Spalletti is turning out to be a terrible choice, guess some coaches can handle clubs but not country's squad, others viceversa, except for Conte who did well in both. After watching the exciting Spain-France this was a huge let down and wonder what the score would have been vs those two.

Didn't watch the whole game, stopped at 2:0 because was disgusted by the way they played, but the only one that didn't suck was the youngest one, Coppola. Speaking of CBs, my fear is that with Chivu at Inter Leoni might follow his Parma coach at there, a young player that everyone seem to believe has a great future ahead of him.

Even normally reliable players like Barella, Bastoni, and Di Lorenzo were terrible, the Interisti I can excuse because they might be exhausted playing almost every match and will continue in the Club World Cup. Udogie that some here like did not impress me and never has every time I watch him, Rovella looked nervous and didn't do much to be noticed, Retegui for Italy is a shadow of the one in Atalanta where he has Ederson, De Roon, Lookman, Pasalic in support. This is my verdict on players associated with Milan, complete failures all of them.

Italy looks pathetic during EURO 24 . Outrunned by the slowest team in the world ( due to their veterans ) Croatia , helpless against Spain and Switzerland . The real hero was Donnarumma but obviously that is not enough anymore .

 

[milanator]

Lmao
Milanator has Pioli in his pfp after all

Let's hope we won't "improve" as much without Leao as we "improved" without Pioli.

 

[LemonCookies]

Deserves ole necromancer

Do not bring that cunt up. He needs to stay dead.

 

[pippofan]

Buongiorno and Neres where injured most of the time, and didnt add much this season.
And I dont call Mctominay, Gilmour, Olivera, Raspadori, Spinazzola, Lobotka top players.
Mctominay had a great season though, but before he was shit at man utd. Thats what I meant, what a good coach and staff can do.
On paper we had better players then them.

Psg played better without Mbappe, yeah they spend a lot, but without their star player, they won everything.

It's a matter of opinion but they finished 19 points ahead of us so must be at least decent. Mc Tominay exceeded all expectaions while Lobotka is one of the better DMs in the League, not to mention the fantastic season Lukaku had with 14 goals and 10 assists which is unusual for a striker. Gilmour and some of the others are bench players which they will re-enforce in the market.
I think that many of us tend to over-rate our players and under-rate the opposition but the only thing that counts are results and we finished 8th and they 1st, that's a huge gap.

 

[Correctamundo]

Making a keeper captain is never a good idea while in Theo's case maybe they thought that being captain would motivate him, make him proud, and offer a good example to his team-mates. As usual, they thought wrong.

Are you about that?, pal
Zoff, Buffon, Kahn, Casillas, Neuer etc were all great leaders for their club&country

 

[grandeacm2]

Let's hope we won't "improve" as much without Leao as we "improved" without Pioli.

We ''improved'' because we signed Ibrahimovic to be a babysitter in the locker room for this loser squad.

 

[CROMIL10]

We should get him. He is huge potential and even at this level can help.

 

[Samaldinho]

Well done, Theo. Screw this management. They disrespected Maldini—this is payback.

It's so funny how seriously this was taken by our edgelords who vomit up copious amounts of posts to try and annoy others.