The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

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sempre Milan says that we want 24 mil

As for sarri link it’s here

Why not just swap him for Rovella.
Sarri gets his Chelsea protégé back, we get a useful piece for the midfield.
Both clubs don't record much in expenses or amortizations.
Everyone's happy.
 

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me thinks they'd sell him even if we had made CL

it genuinely feels like they're so enamored with seeing a big green number next to a player's plusvalenza they get tunnel-visioned into selling / underselling. 0 ability to negotiate or hold out. if city wanted him before the club world cup thing it should have made them pay more, not us sell faster. we have a bunch of gutless bitches running this club.

bernardo is getting older, gundogan is both old and fell off, kdb left and tij is an unique profile that fits their scheme perfectly. folding against a club that is probably desperate for this kinda player is some amateur hour sht
Again, the Red and Black forum trusts these people to adequately replace Leao and Theo
 

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After the flash sale we will be left with only Pulisic and grinta :proud:
 

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The reticience on selling players like Tiji isn't because "oh no, no other midfielder will ever play well for us again!" I mean, we have Adli, come on guys, relax. No, it's because the long track record of Moncada unleashed is absymal failure--they cannot replace players, they don't know how to buy players, they are shit at this.

Messias has outperformed Chuk, for a fraction of the cost. Musah has been terrible, and mind you, I wanted Musah here before he was linked with us. RLC's goals covered his problems last year and he was useless this year because he was injured. Okafor a good backup season and then... what? He was supposed to bench Leao and crumbled under the pressure and then left, failing a medical (apparently?); great. Does anyone call Fofana a smashing success? Pavlovic gets away with so much shit it's crazy, he literally has one man to mark and he forgets about him, where he runs out-of-position constantly but he huffs and puffs! Terracciano has done... what? Morata did... what? Sottil did... what? Walker did... what? Joao Felix did... what? Emerson Royal did... what? Pellegrino did... what? How many transfer failures do they have to have? Does Santi strike you as a hit? I hope he becomes one, who doesn't like a childhood Milan fan becoming a star striker? I'd love it. What has Bondo done to justify his 10m winter transfer? Tammy wasn't that bad, fine. Jovic, not that bad--but again, you look at their track record and it's so fucking bad it's insane.

Kalulu has done very well with Juve, CDK did well at Atalanta (and I hate CDK), Adli did well enough at Fiorentina to either come back here or go to Napoli, the only reason Saelemaekers is back is because Roma didn't have an option, he did a great job for them. Do all of our loanees have to be doing amazing in order for them to be wrong? No, but I'd rather have Kalulu over Emerson Royal. I'd rather have CDK at RW than Chuk, and I repeat, I hate CDK. I'd rather have Adli over Musah, Bondo, and RLC. Alexis wouldn't have been helpful this year instead of Sottil and Okafor, shit, even Felix? Pobega and Calabria would have been useful for the lists alone, but we went into the season very thin (particularly in midfield) and sent away a home-grown Pobega, so we could start Tiji and Fofana against a Serie B side?

Tare and Allegri want to keep Mike, but they can't because of what Furlani did. If you think Tare and Allegri are wrong to trust Mike, okay, cool, can't wait for the great keeper they bring in--you think I'm going to be mad at them for replacing a player with someone cheaper who is better? Lol. Then you don't know me.

Ibra has been a disaster, he's embarassed the club publicly and privately, with other organizations thinking of us as a joke because of him. I say this while I love Ibra (as a player), but he's been a disaster. He's not gone anywhere. I think there's a genuine difference between leading as a player and leading as an executive, and I think his work as an executive has been poor.

Don't worry, we have Tare and Allegri now!

Berta and Paratici did not want to come here, neither did D'Amico nor Sartori--and the fact that Moncada, Furlani, and Ibra (and their various lackeys like Kirovski) are all still employed and part of this structure show that none of those SDs wanted this job under these circumstances. Milan is a huge club, one of the biggest in the world, look at what just competent executive work did to Milan: they more than doubled Milan's revenues in what? 3-4 years?

Tare took the job, he wanted it, it's a huge opportunity, and we will see how much they will interfere with his work. People want the job, SD, manager, etc, they want it--but we offer insulting terms. It seems when it comes to coach, the executives can throw Fonseca and Conceicao under-the-bus, but they're all still in their jobs, no one got fired, and they are going with Allegri. I hope Allegri does an amazing job, truly, I do, but my fear with Tare, as SD, is that he's going to be undermined, because he was willing to accept terms that other SDs were not, just like Conceicao was in the winter.

Tare has been praised by many, including Boban, so like Allegri, I'm rooting for him, but I just don't get how we are supposed to pretend that things are okay now even when the architects of this disaster are all still here.
Precisely, it is clear many of the overriding problems Milan have stem from Gerry, Furlani, Ibra and Moncada. They have been a complete disaster for Milan.

Tare and Allegri would they have been first choice ? no, but we have to hope they can fix some of the mess created by the others. It has to work.

If it doesn’t Gerry needs to cut his losses and his management team need to follow him out the door.
 

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Neither, both are lead by example players.
We need someone with enough charisma to yell at refs without getting carded. :taphead:
 

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Tonali was sold during the "DM most important position" phase of transfer hype, when teams were wildly overpaying for any sort of vaguely DM types like Caicedo, Enzo, Tchouameni, Liverpool fought with Chelsea over Lavia, before paying 40m for then-Bayern flop Gravenberch (Bayern spent 18m on him) and 19m on Endo. I'm not saying these aren't good players--but when you look at the price we sold Tonali, it's terrible business.

Whatever factors supposedly mitigated Tiji (mainly age) did not exist for Tonali, as non-PL players got huge fees, and to think how close Gravenberch and Tonali fees were (40m and 58m) considering the place they were in their careers and their status at their respective clubs is insane.

If the idea is that we knew that Tonali was a gambling addict, then why would we attach bonuses to the deal with Newcastle? We should have wanted the money all up-front--and do you think Newcastle would have bought Tonali knowing that he was going to get banned for a year? All the reporting (from Orstein and Horncastle) was that Newcastle came in fast and first, we didn't shop Tonali around, we didn't try to maximize our price, we rewarded Newcastle's audacity to try and go for Tonali with a good deal--why?

If Saudi and/or Abu Dhabi give us sponsors or become minority owners of Milan, I'll raise my hand, say bravo Furlani and Redbird, you did potential partners a solid and it benefitted Milan.

Otherwise, we sold players beneath their value. Newcastle fans and City fans both think we sold these players for bargain prices.

Your monologues are as monotonous as they’re exhausting. Sorry.

Been reading along quietly for years now n ur point is always to spin everything in favour of your set n now preconceived narrative. Valid counter-arguments are simply ignored or twisted. You‘d go into politics as a spin doctor.

So many users here have already explained in recent years that Tonali is not a defensive midfielder but rather a B2B n certainly not in the category of Caicedo, Tchouameni n Enzo. That was backed up w statistics n everything else. U ignore it.

Tonali has now been away for two years. Get over it. Life goes on.

And by the way: I was also shocked/disappointed when I saw the official figure of €58.9 million in annual report. That was a pathetic deal, just like Reijnders now. But everyone understood it. No need to unpack it again n again. It's annoying. We've been telling each other the same shit over n over again for months. It doesn't change anything n it doesn't get anyone anywhere.
 

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Bild: Leverkusen Rejects Liverpool's £109m Bid for Wirtz – LFC Preparing Improved £118m Offer plus Potential, "Hard to Achieve", Bonus Add-Ons

Leverkusen have been negotiating with Liverpool for more than a month now and have raised the price from £100m > £109m > £118m (€140m) - because they know that Liverpool really want their player and will eventually cave in to their demands.

Everyone knows that Wirtz will be getting his big move this summer - yet Leverkusen refuse to budge and keep sticking to their valuation.

Leverkusen are in the same situation with us as Reijnders - we've both got a key player who will inevitably leave to a richer PL club, yet Leverkusen are the ones holding firm and keep refusing offers until they get a deal at their figures, whilst we immediately crumbled when we saw City offer us anything north of €50m for TJ.

Watch and learn, Milan.
What number would satisfy you for Reijnders?
 

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Your monologues are as monotonous as they’re exhausting. Sorry.

Been reading along quietly for years now n ur point is always to spin everything in favour of your set n now preconceived narrative. Valid counter-arguments are simply ignored or twisted. You‘d go into politics as a spin doctor.

So many users here have already explained in recent years that Tonali is not a defensive midfielder but rather a B2B n certainly not in the category of Caicedo, Tchouameni n Enzo. That was backed up w statistics n everything else. U ignore it.

Tonali has now been away for two years. Get over it. Life goes on.

And by the way: I was also shocked/disappointed when I saw the official figure of €58.9 million in annual report. That was a pathetic deal, just like Reijnders now. But everyone understood it. No need to unpack it again n again. It's annoying. We've been telling each other the same shit over n over again for months. It doesn't change anything n it doesn't get anyone anywhere.
I have come to realize that when I respond to counter-arguments, what is defined as "twisted" is either 1) the person did not read what I wrote carefully enough and/or 2) they are sad because I addressed their counter and found it lacking, and they are unable to respond with actual counter-arguments.

Let's take the idea that Tonali is not a DM. My post clearly stated "vaguely DM types" which included players who are not strictly DMs, like Enzo or Gravenberch.

Do you know what's funny? Tonali is playing as a single-pivot DM for Newcastle and has been widely praised, pushing Bruno into a more 8-like position.

The fact that you think my post was about Tonali as if I haven't gotten over him, like I have been pining over him, again, underlines that you are missing the point. I am not the sort of person (nor do I have a track record) of pining for Tonali's return or defending his actions, etc. I don't care that they sold Tonali, sell everyone, but they're bad at selling. If selling players is going to be the cornerstone of their business, they should get better at it.

I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from talking about what my profession should or should not be, I am not interested in talking about other people's character, I simply like discussing Milan in-depth without the sort of personal elements that you seem compelled to bring in.

Those who I have a rapport with, I gladly joke around with and poke fun at, etc. I do not have this with you, so I'd appreciate it if you kept your commentary to the four corners of the subject matter, which, unfortunately, I believe you have misunderstood.
 

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Your monologues are as monotonous as they’re exhausting. Sorry.

Been reading along quietly for years now n ur point is always to spin everything in favour of your set n now preconceived narrative. Valid counter-arguments are simply ignored or twisted. You‘d go into politics as a spin doctor.

So many users here have already explained in recent years that Tonali is not a defensive midfielder but rather a B2B n certainly not in the category of Caicedo, Tchouameni n Enzo. That was backed up w statistics n everything else. U ignore it.

Tonali has now been away for two years. Get over it. Life goes on.

And by the way: I was also shocked/disappointed when I saw the official figure of €58.9 million in annual report. That was a pathetic deal, just like Reijnders now. But everyone understood it. No need to unpack it again n again. It's annoying. We've been telling each other the same shit over n over again for months. It doesn't change anything n it doesn't get anyone anywhere.
We are the football fans . What else we can do .
 

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We could have had him but we got the Belgian Kaka :proud:
I never understood why they compared him to Kaka. Kaka was so fucking fast, and from day one, we knew that CDK was not going to be fast. I remember reading some BBC article that compared him to KDB and then I watched him play and I was like "in what world does he play anything like KDB?"
 

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The reticience on selling players like Tiji isn't because "oh no, no other midfielder will ever play well for us again!" I mean, we have Adli, come on guys, relax. No, it's because the long track record of Moncada unleashed is absymal failure--they cannot replace players, they don't know how to buy players, they are shit at this.

Messias has outperformed Chuk, for a fraction of the cost. Musah has been terrible, and mind you, I wanted Musah here before he was linked with us. RLC's goals covered his problems last year and he was useless this year because he was injured. Okafor a good backup season and then... what? He was supposed to bench Leao and crumbled under the pressure and then left, failing a medical (apparently?); great. Does anyone call Fofana a smashing success? Pavlovic gets away with so much shit it's crazy, he literally has one man to mark and he forgets about him, where he runs out-of-position constantly but he huffs and puffs! Terracciano has done... what? Morata did... what? Sottil did... what? Walker did... what? Joao Felix did... what? Emerson Royal did... what? Pellegrino did... what? How many transfer failures do they have to have? Does Santi strike you as a hit? I hope he becomes one, who doesn't like a childhood Milan fan becoming a star striker? I'd love it. What has Bondo done to justify his 10m winter transfer? Tammy wasn't that bad, fine. Jovic, not that bad--but again, you look at their track record and it's so fucking bad it's insane.

Kalulu has done very well with Juve, CDK did well at Atalanta (and I hate CDK), Adli did well enough at Fiorentina to either come back here or go to Napoli, the only reason Saelemaekers is back is because Roma didn't have an option, he did a great job for them. Do all of our loanees have to be doing amazing in order for them to be wrong? No, but I'd rather have Kalulu over Emerson Royal. I'd rather have CDK at RW than Chuk, and I repeat, I hate CDK. I'd rather have Adli over Musah, Bondo, and RLC. Alexis wouldn't have been helpful this year instead of Sottil and Okafor, shit, even Felix? Pobega and Calabria would have been useful for the lists alone, but we went into the season very thin (particularly in midfield) and sent away a home-grown Pobega, so we could start Tiji and Fofana against a Serie B side?

Tare and Allegri want to keep Mike, but they can't because of what Furlani did. If you think Tare and Allegri are wrong to trust Mike, okay, cool, can't wait for the great keeper they bring in--you think I'm going to be mad at them for replacing a player with someone cheaper who is better? Lol. Then you don't know me.

Ibra has been a disaster, he's embarassed the club publicly and privately, with other organizations thinking of us as a joke because of him. I say this while I love Ibra (as a player), but he's been a disaster. He's not gone anywhere. I think there's a genuine difference between leading as a player and leading as an executive, and I think his work as an executive has been poor.

Don't worry, we have Tare and Allegri now!

Berta and Paratici did not want to come here, neither did D'Amico nor Sartori--and the fact that Moncada, Furlani, and Ibra (and their various lackeys like Kirovski) are all still employed and part of this structure show that none of those SDs wanted this job under these circumstances. Milan is a huge club, one of the biggest in the world, look at what just competent executive work did to Milan: they more than doubled Milan's revenues in what? 3-4 years?

Tare took the job, he wanted it, it's a huge opportunity, and we will see how much they will interfere with his work. People want the job, SD, manager, etc, they want it--but we offer insulting terms. It seems when it comes to coach, the executives can throw Fonseca and Conceicao under-the-bus, but they're all still in their jobs, no one got fired, and they are going with Allegri. I hope Allegri does an amazing job, truly, I do, but my fear with Tare, as SD, is that he's going to be undermined, because he was willing to accept terms that other SDs were not, just like Conceicao was in the winter.

Tare has been praised by many, including Boban, so like Allegri, I'm rooting for him, but I just don't get how we are supposed to pretend that things are okay now even when the architects of this disaster are all still here.
I think it’s safe to say that we did not have a stellar transfer campaign or campaigns.

I’m pinning my hopes on the fact that ostensibly at least things are moving in the right direction. I had resigned myself to internal power struggles spoiling another season, and that could manifest yet still, but I do think that Tare and Allegri are two serious people who made their decisions to come to Milan advisedly.

The rest remains to be seen. I think losing Tijani is a blow. Theo and Mike I sort of expected. Leao I think will stay.

Let’s see what they do to address our glaring issues. I am trying not to get excited either way, and I must say it’s working. I was just in Italy with the family, and I switched off from football after a long time. I did get the Gazzetta after Allegri’s signature and read through it, but I didn’t even watch the CL Final until I got back home.
 

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I think it’s safe to say that we did not have a stellar transfer campaign or campaigns.

I’m pinning my hopes on the fact that ostensibly at least things are moving in the right direction. I had resigned myself to internal power struggles spoiling another season, and that could manifest yet still, but I do think that Tare and Allegri are two serious people who made their decisions to come to Milan advisedly.

The rest remains to be seen. I think losing Tijani is a blow. Theo and Mike I sort of expected. Leao I think will stay.

Let’s see what they do to address our glaring issues. I am trying not to get excited either way, and I must say it’s working. I was just in Italy with the family, and I switched off from football after a long time. I did get the Gazzetta after Allegri’s signature and read through it, but I didn’t even watch the CL Final until I got back home.
My only hope is that the massive financial incentive to get the club back into the CL will maybe force them to defer to others, rather than meddle like they have so far.

I fear what will happen if Tare and Allegri don't make things work quickly.
 

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