Andrea Pirlo Thread

[KujaIX]

Well to be fair to Pirlo, Milan fans never gave him the appreciation he deserved, and that is probably because he joined us from Inter.. so why should Pirlo act all chivalrous and finish his career at Brescia when it is clear he still has a lot to give to the world of football and that Juve were ready to give him another shot at success... Fact is, Milan fucked up, Pirlo and Juventus profited..

Don't hate, appreciate... Forza Pirlo

Yeah. Pirlo definitely played below-par for like 3/4 years because the fans didn't respect him...

We weren't asking him to be chivalrous.

He left us, which is fair, but then he joined Juventus. Which is a horrible dick move.

Milan didn't fuck up. He wasn't good for us anymore. Think of it this way: If Pato was destined to be injured for the rest of his Milan career, like he could stay for 10 years and be injured most of every season or leave in 2 and he's injured for all of the 2(So essentially hypothetical realities), would you claim that we were in the wrong for selling him after a few years? No. Because he would have never improved.

Pirlo was not good since we won the CL. In the season directly after it took him like 6 months to have his first 'good game'. The next he wasn't very good. The next he was injured.

It's just... stupid. He went to Juve. Which is a dick move. And now he's trying harder than he ever would have with us.

It's just nasty all round.

 

[necromancer]

PS : Does anyone know who was personally closer to Pirlo in Milan during all those years? I think Rino but I'm not sure.

Nesta. And Gattuso too, to an extent. But Pirlo and Nesta are sort of best buddies, since their early Italy days. Coincidentally my two favourite players of the last decade.

 

[Jivara]

I think you are all just kidding yourselves..

Not taking away anything from Van Bommel, who has been very good since he joined us, but Pirlo is in a different league, you cannot compare the two last year because Pirlo hardly played last year and when he did, he was doing his usual best, scoring a wonder goal vs Parma and providing a beautiful assist to Ibra vs Bologna.

And when they did face each other this year, Pirlo was better off vs Van Bommel, but MvB groupies who love him for his hard and fierce play all of a sudden got a soft touch and started calling for fouls against the big beast when Pirlo did well to protect the ball from him. He even beat him in his own game lol.

My point is, there is nothing wrong to admit that we made a mistake with Pirlo. Although I understand the management's view of the situation at that time. Allegri wanted a tough 3 man CM, Pirlo was becoming more injured and uninspired (the latter due to lack of appreciation I feel), and Van Bommel was free... so it all made sense.. but in reality, the way he has been playing, you can only feel regret, this guy is a gem and we let it go to 'the enemy' for free...

 

[necromancer]

Ultimately, what a lot of people fail to understand here is Milan's relationship with Juventus. It is not, to put it simply, enmity-based. There's a lot of mutual interest for both clubs, and both being in the top echelons of Europe is beneficial to both.

The 'enmity' in Serie A is very different from that in the EPL for instance. Milan, Juve and Inter collaborate in a LOT of things.

 

[Jivara]

Yeah. Pirlo definitely played below-par for like 3/4 years because the fans didn't respect him...

We weren't asking him to be chivalrous.

He left us, which is fair, but then he joined Juventus. Which is a horrible dick move.

Milan didn't fuck up. He wasn't good for us anymore. Think of it this way: If Pato was destined to be injured for the rest of his Milan career, like he could stay for 10 years and be injured most of every season or leave in 2 and he's injured for all of the 2(So essentially hypothetical realities), would you claim that we were in the wrong for selling him after a few years? No. Because he would have never improved.

Pirlo was not good since we won the CL. In the season directly after it took him like 6 months to have his first 'good game'. The next he wasn't very good. The next he was injured.

It's just... stupid. He went to Juve. Which is a dick move. And now he's trying harder than he ever would have with us.

It's just nasty all round.

Well why do you expect him to be a loyal Milanista when the fans never sing his name in San Siro and he is obviously the most consistent player to have played for us. Afterall, he joined from Inter Merda, so it was never an issue of being loyal to this team or the other, he clearly stated on several occasions that he is only loyal to Brescia, who he plays for is purely professional. Now I would be pissed if he went on to slam Milan and say bad things about Milan, but he never did and always showed respect to the club.

As for your claim of him being poor since 2007, I think a) its not true, but this is a matter of opinion, and b) the team was VERY poor since 2007, a player like Pirlo is purely a team player, not someone who will dribble players and score game after game, Pirlo's game was never complimented, what do you expect when you replace Sheva, Kaka with Oliveira, Borriello, Gilardino and this dumbass lot?? Pirlo represented the end of a Golden era for Milan, his departure is the begining of a new one, which I respect, but I do not enjoy to the same extent as the previous one, which dictated play and tempo, and he was the Maestro.

 

[luke07]

why pirlo groupies always insist we must admit we did miss him?

who the hell "we"? pirlo groupies? all milanista?

please,keep your undying love for yourself

we're already moving on, why always stay in the past with ridiculous amount of milan' carlo nostalgia....

 

[Congo Powers]

as far as i'm concerned pirlo can get fucked in the ass

 

[Casualista]

err you dont have a point. we made no mistake letting pirlo go. And quite contrary we had been playing a lot better than juventus with a mid field of nocerino, aquilani, van bommel and boateng and we only de-stabilized because of injuries post december and yet after all that the difference is just 1 point. The proof is in the goals we scored.

its quite another thing however that u feel cheesed off that your favorite player is playing better for juve than Milan. And you regret that the management chose correctly that van bommel was more import to our cause than pirlo. But please there is absolutely 0 regret on letting him go. Only regret is the injury prone season we have had that has ******ed player growth and team chemistry. Pirlo is a non factor. I'd rather regret gattuso not being around and the van bommel - gattuso partnership not being able to flourish like last season.

most of the we "miss" pirlo arguments are ridiculous. We were playing much better than last season at one point and we were also scoring a lot more goals. But at least i like SM84's argument that post UCL we should have built a team around pirlo. That deserves some merit. But frankly speaking, right now, 0 regrets about pirlo and 0 regrets building around ibra.

 

[sushanmilano]

err you dont have a point. we made no mistake letting pirlo go. And quite contrary we had been playing a lot better than juventus with a mid field of nocerino, aquilani, van bommel and boateng and we only de-stabilized because of injuries post december and yet after all that the difference is just 1 point. The proof is in the goals we scored.

its quite another thing however that u feel cheesed off that your favorite player is playing better for juve than Milan. And you regret that the management chose correctly that van bommel was more import to our cause than pirlo. But please there is absolutely 0 regret on letting him go. Only regret is the injury prone season we have had that has ******ed player growth and team chemistry. Pirlo is a non factor. I'd rather regret gattuso not being around and the van bommel - gattuso partnership not being able to flourish like last season.

most of the we "miss" pirlo arguments are ridiculous. We were playing much better than last season at one point and we were also scoring a lot more goals. But at least i like SM84's argument that post UCL we should have built a team around pirlo. That deserves some merit. But frankly speaking, right now, 0 regrets about pirlo and 0 regrets building around ibra.

Are the pirlo haters right in complaining that he never played like his current form with juve post 2007 for Milan? We never built a team suiting his needs. He was coming off an insane couple of years and we continued playing with a dinosaur team. Way inferior to current juve squad. Juventus are reaping the rewards for putting the cynosure on juve and milan fans dont have the right to get butthurt about it. Blame the management FFS

 

[Jivara]

Ok, you are free to have you're own opinion, you don't have to get all touchy and sensitive about it.

 

[Ashish]

Buthurt fan boys .. excellent grazie maestro for what you are ... ladri Milan without pirlo is excellent

 

[ZlatanIbra11]

Uhm they are first.They spend like what 200 millions since coming back from Serie B?That seems like a reasonable amount to spend to get back to the top.

They now have a new stadium,and its reported that in the summer they will have a 80 millions war kit.Its sad but there management is years ahead of ours.

There still a bunch of cunts though.

Obviously they are 1st now, check the table at the time I posted
And the point I was making that if we even had 1/4 of that 200million, we could be very well on our way to another CL.
Serie B was their own fault anyway, don't use that to support your argument they were still a top team with Del Piero, Buffon etc. still staying

 

[Casualista]

Are the pirlo haters right in complaining that he never played like his current form with juve post 2007 for Milan? We never built a team suiting his needs. He was coming off an insane couple of years and we continued playing with a dinosaur team. Way inferior to current juve squad. Juventus are reaping the rewards for putting the cynosure on juve and milan fans dont have the right to get butthurt about it. Blame the management FFS

Looking at Pirlo now he may have been a nice short term solution from stopping the collapse taking place post 07 if we had bought runners and gotten rid of the senatores like juventus. But to expect a nostalgia driven management to start rescinding contracts after a UCL win is quite a fool's line of thinking. Also the question of how motivated was Pirlo post UCL playing for Milan comes into question. Would he have performed with same hunger he is now? He really didnt have a point to prove and it was quite evident watching him languidly move on the pitch week in week out regardless of who his teammates were.

I can say one thing for sure. Ancelotti was quite incompetent. He didnt see the disaster looming or chose to rest on his laurels and ignore it. His book is just hindsight anyway.
Its not like he started benching his trusted men to prove a point or took chances on the youth.

Regardless. Like i made my point. Those 3 years of downward slide are just a distant memory to me. Building a team around Ibra was the right move for so many reasons. There is no doubt Ibrahimovic is a better player and he is also far more driven than any other Serie A player and most definitely a bigger professional than Pirlo. This team is better than juventus when you look past the injuries and this team goes beyond Pirlo.

THERE ARE NO REGRETS.

 

[Ashish]

Regret?? are you kidding me,
about time we kicked him out.. he want seedorf and pirlo we cant expect anything else from an interista who became ladri

incompetent refs .. and injury crisis is the only difference between us and them ....

and at the end of the season we will be ahead we cannot build a team around pirlo .. a park ji sung, a flamini or an ozil is enough to murder him, an isolated cog at the heart of midfield is more dangerous than a physical striker at top ..

This discussion is just going back to 2007 era .. ancelotti always played pirlo as the center piece but we had winners like kaka and sheva who made the difference, with jube like runners we wouldnt have reached 3 cl finals in last decade .. people tripping on flavour of the month team and their lady boy is laughable .. pirlo along with gattus seedorf and kaka made the difference but he wasnot even the best player in the team but he had most important job in the system .. gatttuso is so fucking underrated in the world of football .. just rewatch wc semi final against germany and for fucks sake watch gattuso .. he was a god that day and people easily forget , oh my god give me gattuso and i wil have better over the head chips give tim tebow gattuso and he can throw a 100 yard pass through a needle hole

with same amount of money and a solid turf we can easily dance with big boys of spain.. the problems milan face are completely different

Then again i just hate pirlo

 

[necromancer]

Looking at Pirlo now he may have been a nice short term solution from stopping the collapse taking place post 07 if we had bought runners and gotten rid of the senatores like juventus. But to expect a nostalgia driven management to start rescinding contracts after a UCL win is quite a fool's line of thinking. Also the question of how motivated was Pirlo post UCL playing for Milan comes into question. Would he have performed with same hunger he is now? He really didnt have a point to prove and it was quite evident watching him languidly move on the pitch week in week out regardless of who his teammates were.

I can say one thing for sure. Ancelotti was quite incompetent. He didnt see the disaster looming or chose to rest on his laurels and ignore it. His book is just hindsight anyway.
Its not like he started benching his trusted men to prove a point or took chances on the youth.

Regardless. Like i made my point. Those 3 years of downward slide are just a distant memory to me. Building a team around Ibra was the right move for so many reasons. There is no doubt Ibrahimovic is a better player and he is also far more driven than any other Serie A player and most definitely a bigger professional than Pirlo. This team is better than juventus when you look past the injuries and this team goes beyond Pirlo.

THERE ARE NO REGRETS.

Obviously there are no regrets, obviously things work in cycles. People always find it difficult to accept that.

BUT, calling the likes of Ancelotti and Pirlo incompetent/useless is random. They were both professionals who did the best they could, in the circumstances they found themselves in. And both are among the top 6 or 7 critical people in Milan's success in the past decade - along with Gattuso, Kaka, Sheva, Pippo and Nesta. Once professionals deliver that, it is good to be grateful to them.

 

[Sage]

pirlo gave it his all? nah, he had a ton of seedorf moments.


ancelotti underachieved with Milan, old news.

 

[Casualista]

Obviously there are no regrets, obviously things work in cycles. People always find it difficult to accept that.

BUT, calling the likes of Ancelotti and Pirlo incompetent/useless is random. They were both professionals who did the best they could, in the circumstances they found themselves in. And both are among the top 6 or 7 critical people in Milan's success in the past decade - along with Gattuso, Kaka, Sheva, Pippo and Nesta. Once professionals deliver that, it is good to be grateful to them.

Its not random. Ancelotti did not build a system that sustained itself like ferguson has done for united. I see it as a sign of great lacking in a coach. At least i can agree with mourinho, he jumps from one place to another building a new side with a new club after success but ancelotti stuck around... did nothing other than watch.

A professional does his job until he has a contract. The job does not stop at winning. Capello is a true professional in my book. As i mentioned in Allegri's page when asked Capello's response to what is going through his mind after the scudetto win with Roma his reply was "the next season". That is professionalism. And his only regret in life? To come back to Milan after his successful stint to take over a club that was dying and had no ambition.

 

[Dark Knight]

Its not random. Ancelotti did not build a system that sustained itself like ferguson has done for united. I see it as a sign of great lacking in a coach.

you can hate ancelotti or think he was rubbish, thats always a matter of opinion; an opinion that I dont agree with btw but to think with Berlu at the helm you can have a ferguson style long term manager is just wishful thinking. Berlu would have fired ferguson more than 6-7 times if he was here at milan. B likes to meddle , to buy and sell what he wants to buy and sell, to interfere in starting line ups. Ferguson wouldnt stand for buys like Dinho in 2009 or those of Cassano/ Robinho maybe not even ibra.

 

[Ashish]

see allfat they are completely different people , different coaches ... once i heard positions and stereotypes in a sport is for fans and not so good players, if you are world class you make your own style. yeah winning matters and sustainability is a great plus.. but outside england no coach can do it. and carlo is not so proactive. if you would have given him another rui costa another seedorf nesta pippo sheva maldini stam dida pirlo he could have kept the system going, OMG he had his fair of investments at his time .. he underachieved a lot

he lacks that killer instinct ... aah best thing about him was his book, if he would have printed it out when he was here I would have gone mad .. i just forgive him and love him but he cannot keep the system afloat by himself .. he can win trophies and lose some magnificently

his two years in jube
his years in milan
bottled in chelsea

he had fine resources if not the best in the world but he has not given the best he can ... and i dont think he is not that kind of man/player/coach but he can deliver goods but no I dont want him in milan

for fucks sake .. jube overtaking us directly from serie b leonardo was better

 

[necromancer]

Its not random. Ancelotti did not build a system that sustained itself like ferguson has done for united. I see it as a sign of great lacking in a coach. At least i can agree with mourinho, he jumps from one place to another building a new side with a new club after success but ancelotti stuck around... did nothing other than watch.

A professional does his job until he has a contract. The job does not stop at winning. Capello is a true professional in my book. As i mentioned in Allegri's page when asked Capello's response to what is going through his mind after the scudetto win with Roma his reply was "the next season". That is professionalism. And his only regret in life? To come back to Milan after his successful stint to take over a club that was dying and had no ambition.

As always with you, this promises to be a good discussion.

Ferguson - Absolutely incomparable. Not because he's great, but because he has been given faith and trust like no other. And an Italian coach is not at all like an EPL manager, especially someone like Fergie. The decision-making powers are far far inferior, you dont even get to choose your transfer targets. Hence, very incomparable. We have no way of telling how Carlo would have done, given a free and full reign like Fergie is.

Capello - A hard man. A true professional. But did he have bad seasons? Of course he did. He's obviously a different type of person to Ancelotti. To make a workplace analogy, Capello is the guy who's obsessed about his work, spends time thinking about the next move all the time, and fits brilliantly for a certain group of people. Ancelotti is the guy who is relaxed, enjoys things other than his work, compartmentalizes stuff, and fits brilliantly for a certain other group of people.

Mourinho is a Capello with a capricious side. An endearing version of Capello.

Now, to come back to the nub of the discussion, Ancelotti is a Serie A coach which is a position that comes with its limitations of control and power. He had little say in transfers etc. In this circumstance, he did wonderfully well to bond a squad of superstars to be the most successful club of that period in Europe.

You allege that he did not build a sustainable group. But did he have the control? Of course not. The reigns were always with Galliani and Berlusconi and will continue to be so.

He had little or no control over things circa 2007-09. In such a situation, I would have done exactly what he did. Tried to do the best one could with a squad filled with past-it players, and then moved to a better, more promising project.

One can't fight battles that are beyond one's control.

Capello would have fought and gotten fired. As he has done more than once in his career.

Two different types of people, and I do understand if you prefer one type above the other. But both are fine and honourable.

 

[Casualista]

Fair points to both. Agreed Ferguson was given great leeway especially in his earlier years and he was able to earn that trust and repay it.

I'll hold off his lack of rebuilding as criticism till his PSG stint is over. They have a new project and ancelotti has freedom to buy whoever he wants. Lets see if he is able to build a team from scratch or not.

 

[necromancer]

Fair points to both. Agreed Ferguson was given great leeway especially in his earlier years and he was able to earn that trust and repay it.

I'll hold off his lack of rebuilding as criticism till his PSG stint is over. They have a new project and ancelotti has freedom to buy whoever he wants. Lets see if he is able to build a team from scratch or not.

Fair enough. That'll show his worth as a manager, agreed. If he is given full power.

But as an ex-Milan manager, he'll always be my favourite manager. Unless someone cooler comes along.

 

[Ashish]

He will fuck off from paris in two years .. mark my words .. would like to see him in roma someday

 

[necromancer]

He will fuck off from paris in two years .. mark my words .. would like to see him in roma someday

I'd do the same honestly. It's a moneymaking move man..

Part of my Ancelotti-love is because we are very similar people professionally.

 

[Sage]

He will fuck off from paris in two years .. mark my words .. would like to see him in roma someday

he's already on his way towards losing the title, the former coach was first and had a weaker squad.


Ancelotti's best quality is man management, otherwise he's nothing special.

 

[Ashish]

I'd do the same honestly. It's a moneymaking move man..

Part of my Ancelotti-love is because we are very similar people professionally.

ancelotti was a good player .. he is better than pirlo as midfielder , rijkaaard once told me

ancelotti is not long term sustainable solution unless he is coaching in his background like i intend to coach my sons football team for 10 years while grabbing a beer at the sidelines.. ancelotti dont give a fuck about pushing to the limit every single month .. he wants to eat and relax and talk with his players, raise the eyebrow and push his cheeks outside.

even roma is bad .. you should buy an itialian club with supporters with no ambitions and lot of income i dont know how .. and put him in charge .. he will eat drink and coach football for you , suddenly he will wake up one day in mid january and make an oak tree formation and win something spectacular for you, I like to see him win but he lose a lot .. which drive me crazy

all of this if he doesnt die due to heart attack mans tummy is ever growing entity, he as a milan director is the best thing ... look at the stands ncelotti galliani and braida i would love to see that

 

[luke07]

pirlo groupies will always forget that pirlo is part of milan choker team

more than once

will he choke in ladri this time?

 

[necromancer]

ancelotti was a good player .. he is better than pirlo as midfielder , rijkaaard once told me

ancelotti is not long term sustainable solution unless he is coaching in his background like i intend to coach my sons football team for 10 years while grabbing a beer at the sidelines.. ancelotti dont give a fuck about pushing to the limit every single month .. he wants to eat and relax and talk with his players, raise the eyebrow and push his cheeks outside.

even roma is bad .. you should buy an itialian club with supporters with no ambitions and lot of income i dont know how .. and put him in charge .. he will eat drink and coach football for you , suddenly he will wake up one day in mid january and make an oak tree formation and win something spectacular for you, I like to see him win but he lose a lot .. which drive me crazy

all of this if he doesnt die due to heart attack mans tummy is ever growing entity, he as a milan director is the best thing ... look at the stands ncelotti galliani and braida i would love to see that

That last bit reminds me of the end of Star Wars, the original trilogy. With the ghosts of Obi wan and Darth Vader and everyone looking around, smiling, at the young kids.

 

[Ashish]

hahah

 

[Benz_1803]

still bad (i say bad because maybe its not wrong) decision by management, we could offload/sell him abroad before his free agent, giving juve 1-2 years for nothing and make that team rely on him and actually our direct rival for scudetto (B&G should know before this Juve has potential to become title contender)....well i dont blame all to management.
lets learn from this worldclass/champion players:
1. mercenaries players: sell them abroad
2. youth product (Maldini, etc): make them retire here(if posible let them take staff role)
i dont give a shit about your opinion on performance, players have up and down too...