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Hi all.I have been lurking here for over an year and finally decided to register.Now on point imagine if we still had this beast we would have the best midfield in the world boss pirlo aqua and boa.we would have made barca our bitch
 

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welcome! :)

but it will be very hard to incorporate Boss and Maestro into the same team.
 

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Hi all.I have been lurking here for over an year and finally decided to register.Now on point imagine if we still had this beast we would have the best midfield in the world boss pirlo aqua and boa.we would have made barca our bitch

No.

I dont understand why it is so difficult to accept that deals can be done which are good for all parties. It is not always a zero-sum game.
 

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welcome! :)

but it will be very hard to incorporate Boss and Maestro into the same team.

I dont really think so. It could be done, it would look on paper like a 4-1-3-2, with Boss in front of the D

Defense
--------------Bommel----------------
---Prince-------Pirlo--------Nocerino-----
----------Ibra-----------Binho---------------

that should work. Bommel would protect the D, Nocerino and Prince would move towards center to get into scoring positions (like Nocerino already has been doing) at other times Pirlo and Nocerino could work back to be alongside Bommel with Prince in between the midfield and strikers.

Pirlo would have multiple willing runners to work with, which is what he lacked at the end of his time here, and as he has shown with Italy and at Juve that he can do great thinks with mobile teammates
 

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Nothing uncommon for an anchor or regista when the opponents go one man down and get unmotivated very early in the game.

in that case he wouldnt be the ONLY anchor who would have done it.. i m preeeeeeetttttyy sure many anchors in the league would have had players sent off from the opposing team.
 

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Hi all.I have been lurking here for over an year and finally decided to register.Now on point imagine if we still had this beast we would have the best midfield in the world boss pirlo aqua and boa.we would have made barca our bitch
:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Maestro, :proud: Fuck you.
 

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He's gone and plays for the enemy now .. and he's not coming back ..

Making formations with him is as good as making formations with Van basten or Maldini in it .. It won't happen ..

Wish you a life full of second places and trophyless seasons in Ladri Maestro .. now fuck off ..
 

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Paul Scholes, Xavi and Andrea Pirlo revive the deep-lying playmaker
The past weekend offered yet another chance to see three fabulous midfield technicians in their element

It was a fine weekend for legendary deep-lying playmakers. In Spain, Xavi Hernández of Barcelona curled in a wonderful free-kick at Sevilla to complement his stereotypical passing reliability. In Italy, Juventus' Andrea Pirlo was controlling the game in a comfortable win at Fiorentina, striding forward to score with a sublime chip. The next day, in England, Paul Scholes turned in another fine performance in Manchester United's destruction of Wolves.


The situation for Pirlo and Scholes was identical: both played their part in 5-0 victories away at a struggling side who had a man dismissed in the first half. The circumstances were perfect for both – neither Fiorentina nor Wolves are accustomed to pressing, and could not do so successfully when trailing in the game and facing a numerical deficit. It meant that Juventus and United had plenty of time deep in midfield, and both Pirlo and Scholes shone.


Granted, it was not a difficult game for either. Scholes barely broke into a sprint, while Pirlo did so only when he decided he fancied getting on the scoresheet. But it was a chance to see two fabulous technicians in their element – jogging around the centre circle, offering themselves for a short pass, then spreading the play out to the flanks, where their sides stretched the play and forced the 10 men to work harder. Pirlo completed 97% of his 143 passes, Scholes 98% of his 98. Xavi, the only man competing against 11 opponents and withdrawn before full-time, was down at 90% of 88.


Pirlo and Scholes had similar experiences this weekend, and similar experiences over the course of their careers. In the early part of their careers, both were considered a No10; an attacking midfielder or deep-lying forward. It is not unusual for players to move deeper as they lose their pace towards the end of their career, but that was not necessarily the case for either. Scholes never counted pace as a key attribute, and his attacking threat came from late runs into the box – more about timing than speed. Pirlo as a No10 was a calmer player, waiting for the ball to come to him before casually laying it off to a team-mate.


If pace was a factor, it was because the game became quicker, rather than these two becoming slower. Pirlo's retreat happened around the age of 22, when he enjoyed a successful spell on loan at Brescia under Carlo Mazzone. Roberto Baggio was the No10, so Pirlo had to play much deeper. When he was signed by Milan, Rui Costa and Clarence Seedorf had arrived the same summer, so Pirlo remained in that deep role. Scholes's move backwards was a more gradual process and happened 10 years later in his career, but had the same effect of revitalising his game.


Xavi is different – in basic terms he is a separate type of player, preferring constant neat short passes rather than the searching long diagonals that Pirlo and Scholes favour. Furthermore, his positional development was the opposite – he went from being the pivote in the Barcelona system to playing closer to goal. "They asked me to get up and down and provide assists," Xavi recalls in Graham Hunter's book Barça: The Making of the Greatest Team in the World. "But it's difficult from that [deep] position. Ten or 15 metres further up the pitch, where I play now, makes it much easier for me."


In different ways, those three have helped bring back the deep-lying role that briefly died. It is worth remembering that Pep Guardiola, whom Pirlo describes as "the model" for his position, whom Xavi pinpoints as "his idol", and who described Scholes as the best midfielder of his generation, was barely wanted when he left Barcelona at the age of 31 in 2001. As it happens, he turned up at Brescia, then searching for their Pirlo replacement – they were practically the only club in Europe that wanted a player in that mould in 2001.


While Xavi is at the heart of his club and national side, Scholes and Pirlo both found themselves out of contract last summer. Milan decided not to renew Pirlo's deal – and the player wanted a new challenge – while Scholes retired from the game to take up a loose coaching role at United. Both were free agents. Yet they have proven to be, in their respective leagues, the free signing of the season – Scholes rejoining United, Pirlo picked up by Juventus. "A player of his level and ability?" said an incredulous Gigi Buffon with a laugh. "He was the signing of the century."


They have proven even more effective than anticipated, and both are fulfilling roles that defy assumptions about their defensive weakness. Pirlo has been used even deeper than he is used to – generally not alongside a midfield terrier, as at Milan with Rino Gatusso, but instead on his own in front of the defence. Arturo Vidal and Claudio Marchisio play higher up and drive at the opposition, sometimes leaving Pirlo stranded in front of the defence – but he gets by with good positioning. Scholes does not even have the benefit of that energy higher up in midfield – United's passer-runner combination has been shelved in favour of a distribution-based duo of Scholes and Michael Carrick that allows United to control the tempo of the game.


That is the fascinating thing about these players – they need a calm, patient feel to the game, or they can be completely overrun. The difference between the almost-great players of this mould (Carrick, Riccardo Montolivo, Nestor Ortigoza) and Xavi, Pirlo and Scholes is that the former are forced to accept it is not their type of game, while the latter can actively create that type of game. That is extremely difficult against sides wanting to be powerful, energetic and chaotic – it is easier to hijack a meditation session and turn it into a rave than vice-versa.


That fits the image of these players off the pitch – not quite meditation fans, but quiet and extremely shy. "I restrict myself to the dressing room and to the pitch, those are my boundaries – I'm not interested in anything else, I don't like doing interviews, I don't like going on TV programmes, I don't have a Facebook page and I don't talk on Twitter." It is Pirlo talking, in an interview for La Stampa, but it could so easily be Scholes. Xavi, on the other hand, is content to spend his spare time picking mushrooms.


Despite the universal plaudits that came Scholes's way when he announced his retirement last year, he has won much fewer individual awards than his Italian and Spanish equivalents. Pirlo was man of the match in the 2006 World Cup final and won the Bronze Ball in the tournament, while Xavi has come third in the Ballon d'Or three times, and was Euro 2008's Player of the Tournament.


Scholes's lack of individual recognition hints at a lesser influence on the grandest stage, and it is not a huge surprise that he cannot boast of such awards. It is a shock, however, to discover that he has not received a single vote in the Ballon d'Or in his entire career. On five occasions he made the 50-man shortlist – 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2007 – yet not a single journalist decided to vote for him. Granted, he may not deserve to have been in the top five in any particular year, but when you learn that players of the calibre of Jan Koller, Papa Bouba Diop and Freddie Kanouté have received votes, you do start to wonder.


There is still time. Xavi and Pirlo are now as influential as ever, and the same may be true for Scholes. Sir Alex Ferguson has dismissed the chances of him playing at Euro 2012, but there is still unfinished business for Scholes at that level. "I'm not saying I would have made a difference," he said after turning down Fabio Capello's invitation to play at World Cup 2010. "I am saying I might have made the wrong decision." Some will doubt Scholes's ability to come out of retirement and have a crucial impact, but he has already done it once in 2012.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/mar/19/paul-scholes-xavi-andrea-pirlo-playmaker
 

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The intelligence of that trio would be off the chart, i predict Xavi to have the most touches/passes though =)
 

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Fuck you SGE for wastin The Ginger Ninjas talent on the international stage. The team should of been built around him not fuckin Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard. Along with Gazza the best English player I've seen. Just hope whoever isnt incharge of the England team doesnt waste TheOx.


Im glad Pirlo has got his swag back, as the last 3 years of his Milan career I really grew to dislike his impact on the team, he was becomin more of a hinderance than a help. Guess it co-inside of the whole team becomin old. The 1st time I saw him was when Italy use to win the Euro u21's tournament all the time back in the 90's and his free kick in the final I was :eek:


Xavi, was always the better athlete out of the 3. He should of won the Balon in 2010 not Messi. Reminds me of the year when Henry got snubbed for Dinho instead.
 

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Xavi, was always the better athlete out of the 3. He should of won the Balon in 2010 not Messi. .

nope.. sneijder or robben for me
 

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in that case he wouldnt be the ONLY anchor who would have done it.. i m preeeeeeetttttyy sure many anchors in the league would have had players sent off from the opposing team.

What I was saying was, it's nothing incredible of an anchor/regista/sweeper(esp the ones in top teams who try to dominate possessionally) to make large numbers of passes and with great accuracy too when the opponents go one man down and lose the game very early in the game and don't even bother to press. It is of course not bad and it's the best so far this season, but it's mostly saying Pirlo is their chosen leader on the pitch and the opponents were shit. And he didn't even have the best pass accuracy in his team, despite getting 96%, which says a lot about the difficulty of making accurate passes in that game.

Milan 4 - 0 Chievo
Van Bommel: 120 passes, 108 accurate.
11 vs 11:o

We've yet to face a team who go one man down in 1st half. Same thing with Barceroma.

I don't know what your 2nd sentence has to do with anything.
 

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I don't know what your 2nd sentence has to do with anything.

my 2nd sentence was just pointing to the fact that he isnt the only anchor/regista/deep lyig play maker who played against a 10 man team this season. People get sent off in matches every matchday but u dont see these stats every matchday. You need to have quality to exploit the man advantage with this ruthlessness/accuracy.
 

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What I was saying was, it's nothing incredible of an anchor/regista/sweeper(esp the ones in top teams who try to dominate possessionally) to make large numbers of passes and with great accuracy too when the opponents go one man down and lose the game very early in the game and don't even bother to press. It is of course not bad and it's the best so far this season, but it's mostly saying Pirlo is their chosen leader on the pitch and the opponents were shit. And he didn't even have the best pass accuracy in his team, despite getting 96%, which says a lot about the difficulty of making accurate passes in that game.

Milan 4 - 0 Chievo
Van Bommel: 120 passes, 108 accurate.
11 vs 11:o

We've yet to face a team who go one man down in 1st half. Same thing with Barceroma.

I don't know what your 2nd sentence has to do with anything.


looking further into those numbers-
He also attempted by far the most long balls with 29 and completed all but 1 of those. The graph below shows the number of completed passes rather than just pass percentages amongst the 5 most accurate.


so he wasnt just taping the ball around, he actually went deep often
 

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dream midfield trio.


who cares if it's defensively vunerable if they're never going to lose the damn ball....

Ambrosini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf and Kaká was a dream midfield.

A dream midfield trio would be Essien, Pirlo and De Rossi.
 

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Ambrosini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf and Kaká was a dream midfield.

A dream midfield trio would be Essien, Pirlo and De Rossi.

I would replace Essien with Bastain, but holy shit would that be fun to watch
 

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