Champions League Thread [2010-2011]

[Ashish]

Ref surrounding should be punished severely

Diving cant be stopped what would you say to a guy who stood his ground and broke his leg. pepes tackle was bad and pepe has a great track record in playing clean football

players dive whenever they can because they want to catch their breath, to prevent themselves from injuring, time wasting, yellow card for opponents, free kicks

So many factors I dont think it can be stopped and dives cannot be really interpreted well from the couch, while you are at top speed one touch can unbalance you

Sometimes divers balance out everything for example pato is getting kicked out of the game in serie a
maradona and ronaldo were murdered day in and day out in serie a because they couldnt be stopped.

I hate divers when I am a viewer but I can totally understand that tactic but having no respect for officials is altogether a different thing, then again too much media scrutiny for anything small takes away power from ref.......


Ref is only one man, that said Real madrid playing like bari with 1000 trillion worth players is what happened madrid did you drop your balls

 

[Dwa Milan]

Sometimes divers balance out everything for example pato is getting kicked out of the game in serie a
maradona and ronaldo were murdered day in and day out in serie a because they couldnt be stopped.

Van Basten was pretty much the player that really gets murdered by tackles in Serie A..

 

[laxman]

If José Mourinho was feeling disgusted after Barcelona's controversial 2-0 victory over his Real Madrid team, the Spanish press contained little to soothe his feelings.

While figures from both sides offered predictably opposed views about the dismissal of Pepe which had such a major effect on the Champions League semi-final first leg at the Bernabéu, most commentators took a dim view of the Portuguese coach's approach to the game and his complaints afterwards.

Marca awarded the German referee, Wolfgang Stark, only 3/10 and noted that in the past four Clásicos Madrid had ended up playing with 10 men and that when Mourinho had faced Barcelona with Internazionale and Chelsea (twice) he had also had a man sent off. But Marca's bloggers were less sympathetic to the Portuguese.

Roberto Palomar referred to Mourinho's "Jurassic football" and claimed: "Mourinho has perverted history and has lost the emotional boost that used to go with taking the field at the Bernabéu in the European Cup. Before they played with a 12th man. Nowadays, with 10."

Fernando Carreño suggested that rather than complain about the refereeing, Madrid fans should question Pepe's studs-up challenge and Raúl Albiol's grabbing of Pedro Rodríguez's throat, ask why Kaká and Gonzalo Higuaín were left on the bench after dazzling against Valencia "or if the best that Real Madrid with a squad costing €500m can do is to leave the ball with the best ball-playing side in the world and play on the counterattack".

He went on: "To be forever complaining, and especially with complaints of this nature, doesn't seem to be a credible or acceptable posture" for someone in Mourinho's position. "Real Madrid, in my opinion, is a great club that deserves something better. If your approach is results-based and you don't get the result, what's left?"

In an online poll more than 72% of Marca's readers disagreed with Mourinho's comments that referees favoured Barcelona. (Some 78% felt Pepe's red card was correct.)

El País praised Barcelona and Lionel Messi in particular for striking down a "rickety" Real Madrid who, it said, had been inferior before and after Pepe's sending-off and whose only tactic was to frustrate Barcelona. It did, though, observe that for all their superiority Barça had had only two real chances in the first half. "For along time Barcelona have done more playing than scoring."

Barcelona-based Mundo Deportivo gloried in their team's victory under the headline "A foot and half in Wembley". It also published a handy recapitulation of Real Madrid's disciplinary record pointing out that the merengues were Europe's most punished club for non-sporting matters.

AS, on the other hand, reported that referee Stark had entered in Madrid's rogues gallery. "His mistake was to show a red that should have been yellow, but his worst sin was to leave us without any football to analyse … because for a long time to come all that will be talked about will be the colour of the card, the noise and the conspiracy denounced by Mourinho."

Real Madrid's players echoed Mourinho's criticism of the game's key decision. According to Xabi Alonso: "The sending-off radically changed the game,"

Emmanuel Adebayor told AS: "It's a man's game and every time you play against Barça, every time you touch them, they throw themselves to the ground and cry like a baby.

"I've played them three times and each time we've ended up with 10 men. Everyone talks about Barcelona's fair play, but I think they're a long way from fair play. Any contact and they go to ground and cry, putting their hands to their face. Barça is a fantastic club, who play fantastic football, but they should cut that out."

Ronaldo agreed. "It's always the same against Barcelona. Is it a coincidence?"

Asked about the performance of Messi – who Marca said produced a goal "straight from the videoconsole" – he replied, "Messi? Against 10 it's easier. I wish I could play against 10 men like he gets to."

But the Portuguese also indicated that he was uncomfortable with his team's tactical approach. "I don't like playing like this but I have to adapt."

Barcelona's Gerard Piqué was predictably unsympathetic to Real Madrid's complaints. "Before going down to 10 men they hadn't played any football. When you play with fire, at the limits of violence, you get burned."

Xavi was more direct. "They have nothing left but to play dirty because that's what their coach drums into them. I wouldn't dream of playing that way and Barça cannot let ourselves play that way. Football was the winner."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/28/spanish-press-real-madrid-barcelona

 

[laxman]

from the referee's point of view red card is correct but obviously dani alves executed a perfect pirouette dive to match the "tackle".. from where the ref was it is impossible to view it any other way.. stupid studs raised by pepe, perfectly faked reaction by alves and he cant possible hear any contact in that stadium

 

[Christian]

Hopefully Moutardo will get a nice long ban for his behavior during and after the game. If UEFA have any decency left they'll exclude him for a good 5-6 games like Gattuso got, although personally I'd prefer a lifetime ban so I won't ever have to watch that walking pile of feces in the CL again.

 

[Madridista]

Sid Lowe is painfully biased towards Barca

@Ashish. diving can be stopped, but not during the match. Instead let a commission review the entire match video after the game, with all the incidents and make decisions what has been a regular or semi-dive, aka falling to the ground upon slight contact to draw a foul even if you could go on, OR a blatant, shameful dive where a player wasn't even touched, or has been slightly touched and screams in agony and is being stretchered off, or holds his face when hes been touched in the chest or something like that.

Obviously there are levels of diving which shouldnt be punished equally, but they all should be punished. If the players know that their actions will be reviewed by someone else who has a better view of the situation and not just the ref during the match, they will think twice before they do the same shit again. Especially if they get a couple of suspensions.

 

[Ash]

Sid Lowe is painfully biased towards Barca

@Ashish. diving can be stopped, but not during the match. Instead let a commission review the entire match video after the game, with all the incidents and make decisions what has been a regular or semi-dive, aka falling to the ground upon slight contact to draw a foul even if you could go on, OR a blatant, shameful dive where a player wasn't even touched, or has been slightly touched and screams in agony and is being stretchered off, or holds his face when hes been touched in the chest or something like that.

Obviously there are levels of diving which shouldnt be punished equally, but they all should be punished. If the players know that their actions will be reviewed by someone else who has a better view of the situation and not just the ref during the match, they will think twice before they do the same shit again. Especially if they get a couple of suspensions.

I agree

 

[Wild]

I simply dont know where all the possession theories coming from!!!!!
Objetive ppl respect Barca for having a plan & the ability to enforce it , pure & simple.
No matter if such team plays long balls , possession , counter attack , etc ....
As long as their plan work then respect is due.
Last season I found that Inter were much better than Barca even when the latter had like 80% possession but it was like all a part of a plan that Mou mastered.
So all the possession shit talk is simply out of envy coz Barca are a team with a plan & they are able to have success with it.
The world never witnessed such an immense team , Milan of the golden age is a match.
I wouldnt have accepted that an idiot to come telling me that the golden Milan was defensive or whatever coz that team was wiping the floor with all of europe.
So have some class , idiots , and respect this Barca coz its their time.

 

[ladro]

I didn't see that it was already posted. Sorry

Is this edited? If it was a simulation than the midgets successfully broken all records in disgrace previously held by the slovenian bullmastiff fucking incident

 

[ZBoban]

Obviously there are levels of diving which shouldnt be punished equally, but they all should be punished. If the players know that their actions will be reviewed by someone else who has a better view of the situation and not just the ref during the match, they will think twice before they do the same shit again. Especially if they get a couple of suspensions.

Exactly if Uefa and the clubs wanted to punish diving they could do it in a heartbeat, but they don't want to. They could easily review diving after the matches and issue suspensions to players caught diving. I'm still trying to figure out why football is the only sport where diving is so widespread and so part of the culture like it is.

 

[Dwa Milan]

Exactly if Uefa and the clubs wanted to punish diving they could do it in a heartbeat, but they don't want to. They could easily review diving after the matches and issue suspensions to players caught diving. I'm still trying to figure out why football is the only sport where diving is so widespread and so part of the culture like it is.

Didn't some diving actions have been punished in Serie A recently? also Didn't Dida get a ban after faking an injury against Celtic? I think there have been some punishment done for diving/simulation in football but it's not consistent enough, especially in the Champions League. (Don't think there's ever any against Barca players though )

 

[Wild]

Is this edited? If it was a simulation than the midgets successfully broken all records in disgrace previously held by the slovenian bullmastiff fucking incident

You do realize that the ref can book a player that have an intention to hurt another player even if he didnt succeed ?!!!!
That was a broken leg kinda tackle & a red card is the least for that disgraceful player that Pepe is.
Players with a reputation for doing some bad things shouldnt get sympathy.
Pippo or Gila diving like sluts all the game shouldnt get sympathy if one time here & there didnt get a true foul & Pepe acting like a barbarian 2-3 times each game escaping many times shouldnt get sympathy if he tried to breack a leg & missed it.
DiMaria dived more than any player the entire game & yet no saying shit about him.

And I simply dont know why you keep digging for a reason to hate Barca , you do so give it a rest.

 

[dev1L]

 

[Madridista]

Is this edited? If it was a simulation than the midgets successfully broken all records in disgrace previously held by the slovenian bullmastiff fucking incident

It was a simulation but Alves' fall was perfectly acted as usual from the scumbag, and add to that the other midgets ganging up on the ref in a milisecond and Pepe's reputation (which I don't think should be considered if you're a ref, you should consider each situation as it is, but whatever) and you could see how a legitimate yellow card for dangerous play turned into a red.

Exactly if Uefa and the clubs wanted to punish diving they could do it in a heartbeat, but they don't want to. They could easily review diving after the matches and issue suspensions to players caught diving. I'm still trying to figure out why football is the only sport where diving is so widespread and so part of the culture like it is.

I don't know if they are ignorant, trying to turn a blind eye on the whole thing, in denial that it has become a huge issue lately, or there is really some truth in these conspiracy theories.

 

[ladro]

You do realize that the ref can book a player that have an intention to hurt another player even if he didnt succeed ?!!!!
That was a broken leg kinda tackle & a red card is the least for that disgraceful player that Pepe is.
Players with a reputation for doing some bad things shouldnt get sympathy.
Pippo or Gila diving like sluts all the game shouldnt get sympathy if one time here & there didnt get a true foul & Pepe acting like a barbarian 2-3 times each game escaping many times shouldnt get sympathy if he tried to breack a leg & missed it.
DiMaria dived more than any player the entire game & yet no saying shit about him.

And I simply dont know why you keep digging for a reason to hate Barca , you do so give it a rest.

Its kinda hard not to try searching 4 reasons and hate them considering the crap they pull off on the pitch (and again WHY when they clearly have the best roster in the world, completely unnecessary).

Pepe is a animal, i would also like it if he never set foot on the pitch again but is it really fair to give a red over that based upon a players reputation? Alves dramatized it, hes scream could have been heard all away from here not to mention the rolling on the pitch, coming of good as new soon after. All i want is them to win relying on their quality and talent only. They amount of whining they are allowing without any consequence whatsoever is ridiculous at this point. Dont care if in the end pepes red was truly justified hell im happy barca won but at this point no barca fan can moan over the amount of criticism their team of choice is getting over their play acting. All the diving and moaning, i despised milan on san siro vs totanham and ill despise this barca that has all the quality in the world to win titles without the need of trying to the change the opinion of the reff or simulating.

 

[Dinar]

Real Madrid 0-2 FC Barcelona – The Post Mortem: Tale Of Three Losers – Real Madrid, FC Barcelona & Football

Posted by Prakhar Deep Gupta

This was the night when everybody lost something. FC Barcelona lost their grace and respect; Real Madrid lost their legacy. And football lost its beauty. Rest In Peace.

http://www.thehardtackle.com/index.php/real-madrid-v-fc-barcelona-post-mortem-the-tale-of-three-losers-real-madrid-fc-barcelona-football/

 

[dev1L]

Rio Ferdinand ?: "This diving is a joke/embarrassing. When Pedro watches that do you think he'll think, "What was I doing!?" Rugby players must laugh at football. If you ever see me go off on a stretcher then run back on to play, I give everyone on here the green light to hit me with a two-footed tackle."

It was a simulation but Alves' fall was perfectly acted as usual from the scumbag, and add to that the other midgets ganging up on the ref in a milisecond

Mascherano the loudest one

 

[Curupira]

Real Madrid 0-2 FC Barcelona – The Post Mortem: Tale Of Three Losers – Real Madrid, FC Barcelona & Football

Posted by Prakhar Deep Gupta



http://www.thehardtackle.com/index.php/real-madrid-v-fc-barcelona-post-mortem-the-tale-of-three-losers-real-madrid-fc-barcelona-football/

agree with the article

 

[ZBoban]

Its kinda hard not to try searching 4 reasons and hate them considering the crap they pull off on the pitch (and again WHY when they clearly have the best roster in the world, completely unnecessary).

Pepe is a animal, i would also like it if he never set foot on the pitch again but is it really fair to give a red over that based upon a players reputation? Alves dramatized it, hes scream could have been heard all away from here not to mention the rolling on the pitch, coming of good as new soon after. All i want is them to win relying on their quality and talent only. They amount of whining they are allowing without any consequence whatsoever is ridiculous at this point. Dont care if in the end pepes red was truly justified hell im happy barca won but at this point no barca fan can moan over the amount of criticism their team of choice is getting over their play acting. All the diving and moaning, i despised milan on san siro vs totanham and ill despise this barca that has all the quality in the world to win titles without the need of trying to the change the opinion of the reff or simulating.

But Pepe wasn't booked because of his reputation, he was booked because of his intention. Even if he missed to make contact with the other player, you have to penalize his intention of tackling with the spikes.

 

[milan1st]

people that dont agree with the red card the other night are pretty much biased..



not every time we should wait for this to happen... to justify a red card/

dani alves should be thankful to his refleces because he was damn lucky to pull his leg over before hitting him.. otherwise i bet his career could ended with the last night

 

[Hiperblaster]

Is this edited? If it was a simulation than the midgets successfully broken all records in disgrace previously held by the slovenian bullmastiff fucking incident

I didn't see that it was already posted. Sorry

Obviously it' s edited, some frames have been removed.



It' s physically impossible for Alves to twist 180º at that speed just by simulating.

 

[Ashish]

Thats a fucking red card No questions asked no I am not biased now.. pepe

 

[Casualista]

Ferdinand began his mind games early.

 

[Trillske]

Obviously it' s edited, some frames have been removed.

It' s physically impossible for Alves to twist 180º at that speed just by simulating.

Nah, watch it again. Both players hit the ball. With the mass of Alves it would be physically impossible not to change direction. Doesnt justify what the f*ing moron did afterwards, but I dont think he dove mid air.

 

[Ashish]

Open your eyes and look at that tackle its a devastating tackle OMG no pepe is gods gift to football my ass

 

[Christian]

Ferdinand began his mind games early.

Ferdinands a nutter, he's got the mentally of a 5 year old, pretty sure he's not that sly

 

[manutd fan]

Keane's "revenge" tackle was much worse than Pepe's. The English press have pretty much turned on Barcelona. Almost all the journalists have been talking about Barca's antics.

I'll be interested to see what they do in the final. God help us if Paul Scholes goes in for a tackle.

 

[ladro]

But Pepe wasn't booked because of his reputation, he was booked because of his intention. Even if he missed to make contact with the other player, you have to penalize his intention of tackling with the spikes.

IMHO the name of the player could have influenced on the reff decision here. Flaminis tackle got him a yellow, should have been a red was just as dangerous. These kind of fouls in such high profile games can go either way.

For the record im not arguing whether he deserves a red or not (actually i agree since before i was under the impression pepes leg was mainly higly raised but yeah he does go violently into alvess leg). Im just saying barcelona fans shouldnt be shocked their team is getting picked on seeing the way they act on the pitch. Di maria and pepe are also a disgrace thoe, no question there.

 

[Madridista]

So just because its Pepe, its a red card? What a dumbass logic.

 

[Curupira]

So just because its Pepe, its a red card? What a dumbass logic.

i think in general, barca has the reputation of playing cleaner football and refs buy in to that. after yesterday's game, however, I think the ref will be on watch for them from now