Clarence Seedorf Thread

[fertygo]

Better than Kaka was in his last 2 years at Milan.

Hi n00bz
2007 - 2008 19 Goals 12 assist
2008 - 2009 16 goals 10 assist

EDIT : You're right

 

[ww]

NOOOOOB post. But what to expect from biased extremist poster??

I'm sorry but those "little boys" you're talking about managed to make Milan - the most successful club in the world. Football is about cycles, and I'm only happy that our cycles doesn't last 45 years. Milan will come back stronger. These bad years are good years IMO, cleansing the fanbase from gloryhunters.

And you think Carlo wouldn't give Dinho playing time in a forward line consisting of Pato, Huntelaar, Borriello Inzhagi and Dinho? Get real man. Dinho was awesome last year. Better than Kaka was in his last 2 years at Milan. EDIT and better than Kaka last year.

They made Milan the most successful club in the world because Berlusconi is a freakin' millionaire. That doesn't mean that they know much about football.

Based on your theory, Abramovich knows a lot about football too.

I'm saying that Carlo wouldn't organize a team just to play for Ronaldinho like Leonardo did last year.

Kaká has been playing injured for the last 2 years and lots of players has been playing better than him during this time.

What I think is that Carlo left Berlu alone with his stupid mentality and raped everyone in EPL with his badass team. That's what I think.

Carlo didn't get fired or left Milan by his own. It was a mutual agreement between him and Berlusconi and I'm pretty sure that Carlo didn't give a shit about trainning that Milan.

Maybe he would have been used Ronaldinho but not because he wanted to. He would have done it because it was one of his only options on the squad.

But for you, I'm an extremist just cause I disagree with your opinions even though I have clear arguments. That's pretty dogmatic.

 

[ww]

Hi n00bz
2007 - 2008 19 Goals 12 assist
2008 - 2009 16 goals 10 assist

EDIT : You're right

Yeah but no backflips and stuff like that that makes the whole difference in terms of football...

 

[Mrk]

What love? He has been booed/whistled nearly every home game for the past 4 seasons. I don't think they hate him either but just tired of him.

I don't think a game is a good place to judge peoples feelings for a player because there is always a level of animosity when a player does something wrong.

If he leaves at the end of this season he will leave a legend and the fans will be thankful but he's 34 now, thats just too old for a player like Seedorf imo

 

[MilanMB]

They made Milan the most successful club in the world because Berlusconi is a freakin' millionaire. That doesn't mean that they know much about football.

Based on your theory, Abramovich knows a lot about football too.

1: What do you know about how much Abramovich knows about football? Does me and you know more than him? Where does he end up in a scale about football knowledge?

2: Money isn't enough to build a title winning team (look @ real merda and inter merda). Do you even know what B&G managed to do between 89-94? They built the best football team to ever step on a football field and won multiple CL and scudettos. Best defence, best midfield and best attack.

I'm saying that Carlo wouldn't organize a team just to play for Ronaldinho like Leonardo did last year.

How do you know that? IMO with the squad we had last year (no kaka or any other playmaker) it would have been stupid not to do so. He was the only talented player alongside Pato in out attack. This year on the other hand it would be equally stupid to organize a team only around Dinho because we have more options. We don't need to rely on him only.

But for you, I'm an extremist just cause I disagree with your opinions even though I have clear arguments. That's pretty dogmatic.

No, for me you're an extremist because you exaggerate about everything. When you like something it's the best thing in the world and when you don't like it it's the worse thing in the world.

Is this your clear argument?:

You're giving too much credit to Berlusconi and Galliani. They're just 2 millionaires mafioso who think about football like little boys.

Yeah, I guess Laporta, Perez, Calderon and Moratti knows more about football than them...

 

[ladro]

I dont want him 2 leave but he should stop buying his starting place FFS. Awful consecutive performances and all this with a in form boateng standing by. The only critique i have 4 allegri in yesterdays game.

Im more than happy 2 have him on the bench and a milan office job once he retires but his starting way to much right now.

 

[Congo Powers]

Getting a ghanese, a swedish, a brazilian and keeping two bad italians RB/LB?

You're giving too much credit to Berlusconi and Galliani. They're just 2 millionaires mafioso who think about football like little boys. They didn't even work with football before taking this job. And Braida is now more specialist in planes' first class and great hotels than in football because I don't have a clue of what the fuck is he paid for.
.

troll post.


they didnt work with football before taking this job?? u mean in 1986???? what have they won since then?

berlusconi/galliani > brazil/balls

and of course u dont know what braida is paid for. but i guarantee u he's paid a shit ton of $$ because we're RICH AS FUCK.

gtfo capitao...weak attempt @ trolling again.

 

[RossoneroTifoso]

1: What do you know about how much Abramovich knows about football? Does me and you know more than him? Where does he end up in a scale about football knowledge?

2: Money isn't enough to build a title winning team (look @ real merda and inter merda). Do you even know what B&G managed to do between 89-94? They built the best football team to ever step on a football field and won multiple CL and scudettos. Best defence, best midfield and best attack.



How do you know that? IMO with the squad we had last year (no kaka or any other playmaker) it would have been stupid not to do so. He was the only talented player alongside Pato in out attack. This year on the other hand it would be equally stupid to organize a team only around Dinho because we have more options. We don't need to rely on him only.



No, for me you're an extremist because you exaggerate about everything. When you like something it's the best thing in the world and when you don't like it it's the worse thing in the world.

Is this your clear argument?:


Yeah, I guess Laporta, Perez, Calderon and Moratti knows more about football than them...

You've got my support on these points.

B&G would no much more about football then any of us in this forum. Who here can say that they communicate with world class football players on a daily basis, who here can claim to have 1 Champions League or Scudetto, who here can devotes their life to the management of a football club?

B&G are very underestimated, there would a whole lot of behind the scenes things happening that we have no idea about, with that in mind, who are we to judge these men? We have no idea...

 

[Pedro]

You've got my support on these points.

B&G would no much more about football then any of us in this forum. Who here can say that they communicate with world class football players on a daily basis, who here can claim to have 1 Champions League or Scudetto, who here can devotes their life to the management of a football club?

B&G are very underestimated, there would a whole lot of behind the scenes things happening that we have no idea about, with that in mind, who are we to judge these men? We have no idea...

Nice collection of BS arguments.

 

[RossoneroTifoso]

Nice collection of BS arguments.

You know better then B&G?

Maybe you should launch a takeover bid...

You think after years of experience at the top echelon of football these 2 wouldn't know about football?

Please, point out the BS arguements, I see none.

 

[Pedro]

You know better then B&G?

Maybe you should launch a takeover bid...

You think after years of experience at the top echelon of football these 2 wouldn't know about football?

Please, point out the BS arguements, I see none.

Of course you don't see one. It's easy to say Berlusconi and Galliani are so super duper if you compare it to those who never were in such position. Of course they achieved more than those people, so they must be the best!

 

[KujaIX]

Typical, if a fan was in their position they would do better argument, Pedro.

 

[MilanMB]

Of course you don't see one. It's easy to say Berlusconi and Galliani are so super duper if you compare it to those who never were in such position. Of course they achieved more than those people, so they must be the best!

lol firstly I rather read a post with arguments, BS or no BS, than reading posts complaining without any arguments of it's own.

Second, would you be so kind and compare B&G with other in the same position, who's better than them and why?

 

[Pedro]

Typical, if a fan was in their position they would do better argument, Pedro.

I never said a fan would do a better job. It just is a weak attempt to make Berlusconi and Galliani look good. Better compare them to people who have been in such position also.

I guess we all need to shut our mouth about everything because we are noobs in everything. We cannot criticize anyone... Berlusconi and Galliani doing everything right!

 

[RossoneroTifoso]

I never said a fan would do a better job. It just is a weak attempt to make Berlusconi and Galliani look good. Better compare them to people who have been in such position also.

I guess we all need to shut our mouth about everything because we are noobs in everything. We cannot criticize anyone... Berlusconi and Galliani doing everything right!

AC Milan is argueably the most succesful club ever. A large part of that is thanks to Silvio and Adriano. Who has achieved more then them? They must be doing something right if we are still at the top. Look at clubs like Ajax, Juve and Liverpool, And then criticise B&G.

 

[KujaIX]

We have consistently been at the pinnacle of world football since they took over. No-one has made such a stable trophy grabbing club in history.

 

[Pedro]

I never said they do everything wrong. But they did make a mistake signing Ronaldinho. Am I allowed to have this opinion? Or have they won that much that it automaticly means everything they do is a good decision?

 

[KujaIX]

Not that you can't have an opinion, just some people never praise them and it's ridiculous considering that the good tings they have done for the club far outweigh the bad choices they have made or completed.

 

[Congo Powers]

I never said they do everything wrong. But they did make a mistake signing Ronaldinho. Am I allowed to have this opinion? Or have they won that much that it automaticly means everything they do is a good decision?

silvio berlusconi has never made a bad decision in his entire life.

 

[RossoneroTifoso]

I never said they do everything wrong. But they did make a mistake signing Ronaldinho. Am I allowed to have this opinion? Or have they won that much that it automaticly means everything they do is a good decision?

Not a mistake. Who carried the team last year?
Sure he unbalances the team, but I have to say his
positive outcomes far outweigh his negative ones so far. He would have to do something very bad for me to consider it a mistake.

When everyone hated on Dinho, who insisted he would revive himself?

Yes that's right, Papa Berlu...

 

[ww]

1: What do you know about how much Abramovich knows about football? Does me and you know more than him? Where does he end up in a scale about football knowledge?

2: Money isn't enough to build a title winning team (look @ real merda and inter merda). Do you even know what B&G managed to do between 89-94? They built the best football team to ever step on a football field and won multiple CL and scudettos. Best defence, best midfield and best attack.



How do you know that? IMO with the squad we had last year (no kaka or any other playmaker) it would have been stupid not to do so. He was the only talented player alongside Pato in out attack. This year on the other hand it would be equally stupid to organize a team only around Dinho because we have more options. We don't need to rely on him only.



No, for me you're an extremist because you exaggerate about everything. When you like something it's the best thing in the world and when you don't like it it's the worse thing in the world.

Is this your clear argument?:


Yeah, I guess Laporta, Perez, Calderon and Moratti knows more about football than them...

You may say that Berlusconi and Abramovich know how to make money but not that they're football experts. They're millionaire businessman.

Why does Berlusconi is a football expert? Because he bought Van Basten, Gullit, Rikjaard, Ancelotti, etc? Then I guess that everyone here who play Fooball Manager is a football expert.

You're confusing the administrative part with the football part. If we talk about finances, debt, bankrupt, profit, economy... then you can say that Berlusconi is an expert. But when it comes to football, then Berlusconi is definitely not an expert. And I think that it's pretty much fair to let a football expert as a player and as a coach who on the UCL for 4 times and the scudetto for 3 times with this club like Carlo choose the players that he wants to, don't you?

I don't know that. But based on Carlo's style, I don't see him making a team to serve only one player. Now you think that he would do it because you're an inconditional fan of Ronaldinho and didn't even try to understand Carlo's mentality. After all, you're an extremist and not me. Your argument is that it "would be stupid to not do". Pretty dogmatic and typical of an extremist.

What I do know is that Carlo left that Milan that only you, Berlusconi and some Joga Bonito-fans thought that was good to **** everyone on the EPL.

By the way, you were saying that "left-winger" is the best position for Ronaldinho and that he doesn't have to roam through the pitch to play his best football.

One game of Ronaldinho as trequartista roaming through the field and he did way better than the last games. Did you see him using an oxygen ballon after the game? I didn't.

Yeah, I'm the extremist. I have no righteous arguments.

troll post.


they didnt work with football before taking this job?? u mean in 1986???? what have they won since then?

berlusconi/galliani > brazil/balls

and of course u dont know what braida is paid for. but i guarantee u he's paid a shit ton of $$ because we're RICH AS FUCK.

gtfo capitao...weak attempt @ trolling again.

No. Berlusconi is a businessman who worked with construction (helped by mafia). Then he owned a cable tv company. After that, he owned Finninvest. He met Galliani because Galliani worked with tv equipment/signal stuff.

I don't know how does it makes them a football specialist.

And what the fuck does Brazil has to do with it?

 

[ww]

I never said they do everything wrong. But they did make a mistake signing Ronaldinho. Am I allowed to have this opinion? Or have they won that much that it automaticly means everything they do is a good decision?

Sure you can have this opinion. But then you'll be joining me on the Third Reich.

Welcome to SS!

 

[Pedro]

One good season doesn't make Ronaldinho a good signing. He was kinda expensive for just one good season... but mostly, back then the transfer didn't make any sense. Signing Ronaldinho wasn't based on Berlusconi's football knowledge, but on his heart. First Ronaldinho didn't play because there was no place for him in Ancelotti's team which makes sense since he had Kaká, Pirlo and Seedorf star:brilliant to sign someone who isn't in the coach his plans!). And later we are forced to play formations that doesn't suit our players like Pato. We need someone who can play behind Pato and Zlatan. Let's hope Ronaldinho can do that, but he isn't really the most logical choice for that. Sure, against Parma he can do it. I doubt it will work against other opponents. Let's do hope so.

 

[Congo Powers]

No. Berlusconi is a businessman who worked with construction (helped by mafia). Then he owned a cable tv company. After that, he owned Finninvest. He met Galliani because Galliani worked with tv equipment/signal stuff.

I don't know how does it makes them a football specialist.

And what the fuck does Brazil has to do with it?

proofs in the pudding sweetie.

silvio berlusconi, the rich-as-fuck businessman, bought ac milan in 1986. galliani started working in 1986 too. this is before i was born. these two have been winning since then. they are indeed 'football specialists'.

berlu>brasil

 

[Pedro]

nvm, got my answer

 

[MilanMB]

You may say that Berlusconi and Abramovich know how to make money but not that they're football experts. They're millionaire businessman.

Why does Berlusconi is a football expert? Because he bought Van Basten, Gullit, Rikjaard, Ancelotti, etc? Then I guess that everyone here who play Fooball Manager is a football expert.

You're confusing the administrative part with the football part. If we talk about finances, debt, bankrupt, profit, economy... then you can say that Berlusconi is an expert. But when it comes to football, then Berlusconi is definitely not an expert. And I think that it's pretty much fair to let a football expert as a player and as a coach who on the UCL for 4 times and the scudetto for 3 times with this club like Carlo choose the players that he wants to, don't you?

I don't know that. But based on Carlo's style, I don't see him making a team to serve only one player. Now you think that he would do it because you're an inconditional fan of Ronaldinho and didn't even try to understand Carlo's mentality. After all, you're an extremist and not me. Your argument is that it "would be stupid to not do". Pretty dogmatic and typical of an extremist.

What I do know is that Carlo left that Milan that only you, Berlusconi and some Joga Bonito-fans thought that was good to **** everyone on the EPL.

By the way, you were saying that "left-winger" is the best position for Ronaldinho and that he doesn't have to roam through the pitch to play his best football.

One game of Ronaldinho as trequartista roaming through the field and he did way better than the last games. Did you see him using an oxygen ballon after the game? I didn't.

Yeah, I'm the extremist. I have no righteous arguments.

I don't think I ever said that they are football experts the way you mean it. I said that they are great at doing their jobs. Best in the world. What is an football expert? I guess you could call coaches experts when it comes to strategies and tactics, but are all coaches experts to?

I'm no Carlo hater, I love him and what he have done for us. And I'm also no unconditional Dinho fan either, I've sad on multiple occasions that he isn't what he once where and his form this season has been bad. You on the other hand make him out to be a worthless player. Who's the extremist?

And I stand by my opinion that Carlo would have used Dinho more than he did in his first season if Kaka wasn't available. I don't think any coach wouldn't have done that. Are you saying that Dinho was bad last year? What should we have done different with the squad Leo had?

Just admit it, you hate a certain type of football and can't see anything good in it. You can't see how Dinho's backflips, tricks and whatever you call it can be efficient.

I love Joga Bonito, but I'm very well aware of the fact that 11 joga bonito players would be buttraped everytime they played. But having one or two of them in the team isn't bad either. They can do the unexpected and win games for you on their own, something Dinho has done for us many times.

And yeah, his game @ trequaritsta was one of his best this season, but was it better than all his games last season? or his time at barca?

 

[Paladin]

Let us hope that Allegri put Seedorf on the bench, there is others who can take his work "load".

The fact is that Sedorf is no good for the team anymore, he harms the team in many ways!

First, hes slow jogging "style" have bad influence on the team.

Second, hes work rate are far below a team that aims for CL and leage.

Third, he overlod Pirlo and Gattuso with work in midfield and this means the team got tired sooner then what it should be. ( Pirlo and Gattuso have to do his work)

It was proven yesterday that Dinho was exelent on his post! and this can eventually lead to the sensation of putting all 4 Aces on the pitch, at the same time,Wow

This team have so mutch potential, and we have just seen the begining of it.

I hope soon that Allegri will go with Ibra and Pato in front, then Dinho behind!

Midfield of Binho Pirlo and Gattuso, wow!!

Defender, Antonini. Nesta ,Silva and Bonera wow

Finaly we got a team with skills,speed and a nock out squad!!

 

[ww]

I don't think I ever said that they are football experts the way you mean it. I said that they are great at doing their jobs. Best in the world. What is an football expert? I guess you could call coaches experts when it comes to strategies and tactics, but are all coaches experts to?

I'm no Carlo hater, I love him and what he have done for us. And I'm also no unconditional Dinho fan either, I've sad on multiple occasions that he isn't what he once where and his form this season has been bad. You on the other hand make him out to be a worthless player. Who's the extremist?

And I stand by my opinion that Carlo would have used Dinho more than he did in his first season if Kaka wasn't available. I don't think any coach wouldn't have done that. Are you saying that Dinho was bad last year? What should we have done different with the squad Leo had?

Just admit it, you hate a certain type of football and can't see anything good in it. You can't see how Dinho's backflips, tricks and whatever you call it can be efficient.

I love Joga Bonito, but I'm very well aware of the fact that 11 joga bonito players would be buttraped everytime they played. But having one or two of them in the team isn't bad either. They can do the unexpected and win games for you on their own, something Dinho has done for us many times.

And yeah, his game @ trequaritsta was one of his best this season, but was it better than all his games last season? or his time at barca?

Why a white supremacist is an extremist?

Because he hates black people. It doesn't matter the character, he just hates them.

Now that's my post on Ronaldinho's thread, before this discussion:

I always said that Ronaldinho would be better playing as trequartista and roaming through the pitch but no, there were a bunch of Joga Bonito-fans here who were satisfied about him playing as a left-corner-kicker and trying to defend this senseless position. Some assholes even went to my ignore list because seemed to be sponsored by Ronaldinho and gave me personal attacks instead of arguments.

And by the way, I didn't see him with any oxygen ballon after the game, did you?

He wasn't amazing but I got nothing that is really bad to complain about his last game and I hope that Allegri keeps him in this position.

This post completely trashes your theory that I'm an extremist.

But you choose to only read when I'm trashing him. That's why you said that I think that he's worthless.

I also didn't say that Ronaldinho was bad last season. But he wasn't amazing. He played good against bad defenses and choked when the team couldn't deliver the ball to him or when he was being too much marked.

It's obvious that Carlo would used him more than the first season. What would be his other options? What I'm saying is that Carlo wouldn't put the whole team to play for him. Carlo always find way to balance his teams and I don't think that he would change it just because of Ronaldinho.

I don't like this kind of player and I have the right to not to. That doesn't mean that I don't see anything worthy on them. I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo but I admit that he's good finishing not only with his feets but also with his head.

You're being the kind of guy who calls communist anyone who's wearing a red shirt.

The unexpected becomes ordinary when a player does it all the time. That's the difference between a Ronaldinho and Kaká. When Kaká does something unexpected, it's really unexpected. When it comes to Ronaldinho, everyone's read for it and it turns him way more easy to mark.

In Barça, Ronaldinho was more motivated and facing La Liga pussies defenses. Now he's on Calcio. Poor tactics and pussies defenses times are over. He'll face bad defenses but not like the ones he used to face in La Liga.

And Barça has the 4-3-3 as a tradition. Just see the coaches that they had. Cruyff, Van Gaal, Rikjaard... now they have Guardiola because even though he's spanish, he knows very well this system.

This is just one more reason why Ronaldinho played better in Barça than in Milan as a left-winger.

 

[ww]

I don't think I ever said that they are football experts the way you mean it. I said that they are great at doing their jobs. Best in the world. What is an football expert? I guess you could call coaches experts when it comes to strategies and tactics, but are all coaches experts to?

I'm no Carlo hater, I love him and what he have done for us. And I'm also no unconditional Dinho fan either, I've sad on multiple occasions that he isn't what he once where and his form this season has been bad. You on the other hand make him out to be a worthless player. Who's the extremist?

And I stand by my opinion that Carlo would have used Dinho more than he did in his first season if Kaka wasn't available. I don't think any coach wouldn't have done that. Are you saying that Dinho was bad last year? What should we have done different with the squad Leo had?

Just admit it, you hate a certain type of football and can't see anything good in it. You can't see how Dinho's backflips, tricks and whatever you call it can be efficient.

I love Joga Bonito, but I'm very well aware of the fact that 11 joga bonito players would be buttraped everytime they played. But having one or two of them in the team isn't bad either. They can do the unexpected and win games for you on their own, something Dinho has done for us many times.

And yeah, his game @ trequaritsta was one of his best this season, but was it better than all his games last season? or his time at barca?

Why does an white supremacist is an extremist?

Because he hates black people. It doesn't matter the character, he just hates them.

Now that's my post on Ronaldinho's thread, before this discussion:

I always said that Ronaldinho would be better playing as trequartista and roaming through the pitch but no, there were a bunch of Joga Bonito-fans here who were satisfied about him playing as a left-corner-kicker and trying to defend this senseless position. Some assholes even went to my ignore list because seemed to be sponsored by Ronaldinho and gave me personal attacks instead of arguments.

And by the way, I didn't see him with any oxygen ballon after the game, did you?

He wasn't amazing but I got nothing that is really bad to complain about his last game and I hope that Allegri keeps him in this position.

This post completely trashes your theory that I'm an extremist.

But you choose to only read when I'm trashing him. That's why you said that I think that he's worthless.

I also didn't say that Ronaldinho was bad last season. But he wasn't amazing. He played good against bad defenses and choked when the team couldn't deliver the ball to him or when he was being too much marked.

It's obvious that Carlo would used him more than the first season. What would be his other options? What I'm saying is that Carlo wouldn't put the whole team to play for him. Carlo always find way to balance his teams and I don't think that he would change it just because of Ronaldinho.

I don't like this kind of player and I have the right to not to. That doesn't mean that I don't see anything worthy on them. I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo but I admit that he's good finishing not only with his feets but also with his head.

And why can't you handle with people who don't like Joga Bonito-players?

You're being the kind of guy who calls communist anyone who's wearing a red shirt.

The unexpected becomes ordinary when a player does it all the time. That's the difference between a Ronaldinho and Kaká. When Kaká does something unexpected, it's really unexpected. When it comes to Ronaldinho, everyone's read for it and it turns him way more easy to mark.

In Barça, Ronaldinho was more motivated and facing La Liga pussies defenses. Now he's on Calcio. Poor tactics and pussies defenses times are over. He'll face bad defenses but not like the ones he used to face in La Liga.

And Barça has the 4-3-3 as a tradition. Just see the coaches that they had. Cruyff, Van Gaal, Rikjaard... now they have Guardiola because even though he's spanish, he knows very well this system.

This is just one more reason why Ronaldinho played better in Barça than in Milan as a left-winger.

 

[MilanMB]

Capitao it feels like we are going round and round in this discussion... you extremist I don't even know how we ended up discussing Ronaldinho. I blame you.

This is my opinion about Dinho

1: He's not the player he once was. But he's not as bad as some of you want make him out to be. Look back in his thread and read your own posts. Your bashing of him is ridiculous.

2: He was great last year, not amazing, but great. One of the best players in Serie A. IMO he carried us to CL. It's not like we would have won the league without him.

3: He's at the end of his career as a great player, this season and maaaaybe next he can be useful to us, but no one we can depend on to bring us consistency. But then again, tell me of the senatores who bring consistence (in a positive way, seedorf is being consistent with below average performances).

If you think he's been shit throughout his career, was shit last year and should have stopped playing football 4 years ago then I can't help you.